Plagued /r/TNOmod and the Reddit HOI4 modding community - When a subreddit for a video game mod turns to utter insanity

[KiwiJoe]

The reason why the Rhodesians get whitewashed is because their opposition was so much worse. For every black civilian the defense force killed the black rebels murdered 50.

Once the rebels got into power they ruined everything so badly blacks got nostalgia for the past.

It's hilarious that the makers of TNO treat Rhodesia as the ultimate taboo, while fellating the soviets and having no issues putting Robert Mugabe in as a leader

Mugabe is an Ultranationalist in TNO. When he leads Zimbabwe, 60% of the party popularity there is also National Socialist (the rest being oddly enough Liberal Democracy).

Which I find kinda funny. He's essentially in the same ideological catalogue as Yazov (who leads Omsk, who basically want to kill every single German once they reunify Russia and will be more than willing to do so even if it means nuclear war), Schorner (an extreme German militarist who wants to conquer the world and uses Goering as his Puppet Fuhrer to achieve that it), and Jibril (who can lead a Greater Palestine where he basically commits a holocaust directly in Israel.).

Mugabe also secretly supports an Ultranationalist South African warlord state (Kapa-Bokone African State) if South Africa loses the war and then promptly gets fucked by Huttig where he appoints someone to rule SA as an mini-RK, in which, if successful, leads to another collapse of warlords in that region.

 

[KimCoppolaAficionado]

I said nothing of the sort. That's your personal nuance on the topic. People can still miss the days of being a second class citizen if it's compared to being a slave to a dictator who ran everything into the ground.

The period they actually miss the most is the period before Mugabe's first wife died and he went insane and started burning the country to the ground*; Zimbabwe had a stable economy and they weren't treated as second-class citizens at best and chattel beasts at worst.

*I don't know if this is exactly how it happened, but the general consensus of belief among the Zimbabweans I know, a few of which lived through Mugabe's seizure of absolute power, was that his first wife's death precipitated some kind of drastic change in his personality that caused him to make the decisions that completely destabilized the country and caused it to collapse.

 

[Übertroon]

The period they actually miss the most is the period before Mugabe's first wife died and he went insane and started burning the country to the ground*; Zimbabwe had a stable economy and they weren't treated as second-class citizens at best and chattel beasts at worst.

*I don't know if this is exactly how it happened, but the general consensus of belief among the Zimbabweans I know, a few of which lived through Mugabe's seizure of absolute power, was that his first wife's death precipitated some kind of drastic change in his personality that caused him to make the decisions that completely destabilized the country and caused it to collapse.

Mugabe didn't just go crazy because of grief, he always was a petty loon. During the Bush war Mugabe justified terror upon the civilian populace and clashed with the moderates.

As leader he never considered relinquishing power, and made little effort to strengthen the economy. Every time there was a drought or international trade declined the economy nose dived

 

[Gay Scientologist]

This is perhaps one of the core reasons why TNO is such a disaster as a serious work. The Imperium of Man is obviously a horrible hellhole with ironic admirers because the setting is inherently so ridiculous.

However when it comes to real life figures, Panzers bizarre decision to create stories that make you feel sorry for genuine Nazis that literally killed millions in real life and didn't do the wholesome things they did in the mod, it undermines the entire point of the whole thing!

In Pamzers interviews (where you can audibly hear him being sucked off), he spoke about how he hated that the media would often say (implicitly) that the Nazis were either good at technology or economics or that not all Nazis were bad (muh wehrmacht dindu nuffin, they were good boys).

The mod itself does little to actually drive this point home because the very first thing the Nazis do is land the first man on the moon. There is a path where Speer can reform and save Nazism, while Heydrich is given a wholesome redemption path. Further afield, the mod constantly goes out of its way to nudge the player with the implied message "actually America is bad like the Nazis when you think about it" much like how dipshits simped for the Khmer Rouge back in the day and would reflexively point to how the USA did a coup in some Banana Republic as though it absolves the Khmer Rouge.

I wouldn't be upset if it were just a meme mod, or for fun. What upsets me is the utter pretentiousness of the developers in claiming this is some kind of masterpiece that decries tyranny while constantly making players want to come and LARP as burgundy or taboritsky in the game because they are based. If you're attracting players who are unironically feeling sorry for nazis, getting nazi memorabilia, and making fanart for their ideological waifus, maybe you are failing to tackle fascism. Perhaps you may even be enabling it.

 

[KiwiJoe]

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This is perhaps one of the core reasons why TNO is such a disaster as a serious work. The Imperium of Man is obviously a horrible hellhole with ironic admirers because the setting is inherently so ridiculous.

However when it comes to real life figures, Panzers bizarre decision to create stories that make you feel sorry for genuine Nazis that literally killed millions in real life and didn't do the wholesome things they did in the mod, it undermines the entire point of the whole thing!

In Pamzers interviews (where you can audibly hear him being sucked off), he spoke about how he hated that the media would often say (implicitly) that the Nazis were either good at technology or economics or that not all Nazis were bad (muh wehrmacht dindu nuffin, they were good boys).

The mod itself does little to actually drive this point home because the very first thing the Nazis do is land the first man on the moon. There is a path where Speer can reform and save Nazism, while Heydrich is given a wholesome redemption path. Further afield, the mod constantly goes out of its way to nudge the player with the implied message "actually America is bad like the Nazis when you think about it" much like how dipshits simped for the Khmer Rouge back in the day and would reflexively point to how the USA did a coup in some Banana Republic as though it absolves the Khmer Rouge.

I wouldn't be upset if it were just a meme mod, or for fun. What upsets me is the utter pretentiousness of the developers in claiming this is some kind of masterpiece that decries tyranny while constantly making players want to come and LARP as burgundy or taboritsky in the game because they are based. If you're attracting players who are unironically feeling sorry for nazis, getting nazi memorabilia, and making fanart for their ideological waifus, maybe you are failing to tackle fascism. Perhaps you may even be enabling it.

Agreed. This is pretty much most of my issue with TNO. They try to make it so serious and try to have this grand narrative of it, but in-practice, its falls completely flat.

Although I do think the whole "AmeriKKKa must perish" part is probably only going to play a factor into 'TNO3', aka, the 90s setting of the mod's world, which will only be a standalone mod and will only follow Panzer's Canon. I doubt TNO3 would ever happen, but if it does, it would probably suck, since its probably where you're going to be absolutely rail-roaded into the 'narrative' and have it all be hamfisted.

From there I think that is where they'll absolutely hammer it in and you have little freedom because 'muh narrative'. But currently in the game, the US is always going to be the 'good guy', more or less, with the exception of the 'cursed routes' like Yockey and Hall.

The US for example...

They intervene on the behalf of South Africa to prevent it from ending up as a vassal state to literal nazi colonies at the start of the game and if they have a total victory, where they don't fuck up, they can even improve the continent (see my post on the peaceful decolonization) overall. Also helping the English overthrow the collaborator regime and they can restore democracy or even go straight into communism (with full US backing) and even decrimalize gay buttsex. The US itself can elect (democratic) socialists as presidents, and even go beyond the civil rights that we had in OTL with LBJ for example, and can have two opportunities to even elect female Presidents (yas kween slay!!!1).

I do have hope though for TNO. The submods do look fun and seem to improve some cracks in the seam, and I wouldn't mind a 'TNOdux' that placed more emphasis on fun than pretentious narratives...

 

[Kanuckski]

Agreed. This is pretty much most of my issue with TNO. They try to make it so serious and try to have this grand narrative of it, but in-practice, its falls completely flat.

Although I do think the whole "AmeriKKKa must perish" part is probably only going to play a factor into 'TNO3', aka, the 90s setting of the mod's world, which will only be a standalone mod and will only follow Panzer's Canon. I doubt TNO3 would ever happen, but if it does, it would probably suck, since its probably where you're going to be absolutely rail-roaded into the 'narrative' and have it all be hamfisted.

From there I think that is where they'll absolutely hammer it in and you have little freedom because 'muh narrative'. But currently in the game, the US is always going to be the 'good guy', more or less, with the exception of the 'cursed routes' like Yockey and Hall.

The US for example...

They intervene on the behalf of South Africa to prevent it from ending up as a vassal state to literal nazi colonies at the start of the game and if they have a total victory, where they don't fuck up, they can even improve the continent (see my post on the peaceful decolonization) overall. Also helping the English overthrow the collaborator regime and they can restore democracy or even go straight into communism (with full US backing) and even decrimalize gay buttsex. The US itself can elect (democratic) socialists as presidents, and even go beyond the civil rights that we had in OTL with LBJ for example, and can have two opportunities to even elect female Presidents (yas kween slay!!!1).

I do have hope though for TNO. The submods do look fun and seem to improve some cracks in the seam, and I wouldn't mind a 'TNOdux' that placed more emphasis on fun than pretentious narratives...

Not that it's some excellent show of foresight and some of this is already known about the next ingame decade of content. But I imagine how it will go is you'll continue to have options to handle events vaguely similar to America's real foreign policy adventures, both organic and hamfisted. When dealing with them you'll have multiple choices with their trademark heavy handed criticism if you choose to do that thing that resembles what America actually did. But that it will be counterbalanced with the singular, maybe handful of 'good boy' choices where you do the opposite of what America did. That it'll only boil down to the powerful lesson "America bad." It'll also not be very memeable on purpose, the edgy 14 year olds will be discontent with the mod. But the radical leftoids will be ascendant and very pleased with such a message and that that "Russia won't inherently be a bad guy on its own." As well as a powerful CCP with no Mao fuckery.

On the topic of memes and the TNO community, not only does Panzer and the modding staff hate both those things. They've fallen into the paranoia pithole of trying to identify who's a white supremacist fascist demagogue because they post too many ironic memes about owning one too many libs. Which is skill the mod team apparently pride themselves on. I'll give it to Panzer that he acknowledges that it'd be completely insane to accuse every single person ever and it's mostly just kids. It helps tone down his insane paranoia about the supposedly ultra-ascendant fascist menace just a bit. Also, the mod team is heavy handed, but in a very obnoxious, time consuming, and ineffective way. Again, flintlocks during the Korean war instead of machine guns in the boxer rebellion.

These comments are all from Panzer's second Reddit post about that interview with the right-wing race realist site. https://www.reddit.com/r/TNOmod/comments/k20rd7/the_videogame_that_takes_us_inside_the_hell_of_a/ (Archive)

 

[KiwiJoe]

Not that it's some excellent show of foresight and some of this is already known about the next ingame decade of content. But I imagine how it will go is you'll continue to have options to handle events vaguely similar to America's real foreign policy adventures, both organic and hamfisted. When dealing with them you'll have multiple choices with their trademark heavy handed criticism if you choose to do that thing that resembles what America actually did. But that it will be counterbalanced with the singular, maybe handful of 'good boy' choices where you do the opposite of what America did. That it'll only boil down to the powerful lesson "America bad." It'll also not be very memeable on purpose, the edgy 14 year olds will be discontent with the mod. But the radical leftoids will be ascendant and very pleased with such a message and that that "Russia won't inherently be a bad guy on its own." As well as a powerful CCP with no Mao fuckery.

On the topic of memes and the TNO community, not only does Panzer and the modding staff hate both those things. They've fallen into the paranoia pithole of trying to identify who's a white supremacist fascist demagogue because they post too many ironic memes about owning one too many libs. Which is skill the mod team apparently pride themselves on. I'll give it to Panzer that he acknowledges that it'd be completely insane to accuse every single person ever and it's mostly just kids. It helps tone down his insane paranoia about the supposedly ultra-ascendant fascist menace just a bit. Also, the mod team is heavy handed, but in a very obnoxious, time consuming, and ineffective way. Again, flintlocks during the Korean war instead of machine guns in the boxer rebellion.

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These comments are all from Panzer's second Reddit post about that interview with the right-wing race realist site. https://www.reddit.com/r/TNOmod/comments/k20rd7/the_videogame_that_takes_us_inside_the_hell_of_a/ (Archive)

I don't think China can go full-communist in the mod but that may change in the future when they add the GAW. From what I know, China can go AuthDem, Despotist, LibDem, ConDem, and SocDem. Which sounds more or less safe. I know Jiang Zemin is in the mod but given the P.O.D. he may end up as a SocDem at most.

 

[Montalbane]

Is TNO the gone home of HoI4 mods?

 

[Marshal Mannerheim]

Guys, lets not start a discussion about rhodesia and just admit that if it was run by italians it would be much better.

”It's-a-me, Super Mugabe!”

I said nothing of the sort. That's your personal nuance on the topic. People can still miss the days of being a second class citizen if it's compared to being a slave to a dictator who ran everything into the ground.

True.

Mugabe is an Ultranationalist in TNO. When he leads Zimbabwe, 60% of the party popularity there is also National Socialist (the rest being oddly enough Liberal Democracy).

Which I find kinda funny. He's essentially in the same ideological catalogue as Yazov (who leads Omsk, who basically want to kill every single German once they reunify Russia and will be more than willing to do so even if it means nuclear war), Schorner (an extreme German militarist who wants to conquer the world and uses Goering as his Puppet Fuhrer to achieve that it), and Jibril (who can lead a Greater Palestine where he basically commits a holocaust directly in Israel.).

Mugabe also secretly supports an Ultranationalist South African warlord state (Kapa-Bokone African State) if South Africa loses the war and then promptly gets fucked by Huttig where he appoints someone to rule SA as an mini-RK, in which, if successful, leads to another collapse of warlords in that region.

Mugabe's a Nazi in TNO?

 

[Montalbane]

”It's-a-me, Super Mugabe!”

True.

Mugabe's a Nazi in TNO?

Mugabe's communism wasn't real communism.
Ergo it must have been nazism.

Also since this is a thread about the HoI4 community for the mentally challenged, does anybody remember the modern day 4 shitshow?
I only saw glimpses of it, something to do with the economy system and Focus spergery.
Also if anyone has any good kaiserreich drama I am all ears, most of it has been sanitized and I could find none of the good stuff.

 

[Übertroon]

Here's things TNO could have done that would have made a more fun experience rather than the leftie visual novel it currently is

- Multiple regional conflicts where the three great powers could parrticipate in.

Imagine 5 different civil wars and uprisings happening at the same time where you can pick a side. You could end up simultaneously having a war in Brazil where the US has to fight German and Japanese expeditionary forces, but at the same time allied with german forces in a indonesian revolt, and allied with the japanese in a civil war in east africa

- Everyone has super weapons

Japanese submarine carriers.
Flying super jets large enough to airdrop hundreds of men and carry escort crafts beneath their wings.
Land cruisers.
Satellite lasers.
Nuclear cannons.

- All nations should have a path to change ideology

But it should also be possible for a democratic america to ally with Japan to contain Germany, or germany supplying japan if war breaks out in the pacific

Goal is for the two weaker great powers to contain the greater threat

- More freedom when it comes to social policies.

If you play as the US you should be free to use political power to conscript every man and their dog

Or let Japan allow women to serve and have their military waifus

- arctic and antarctic bases and warfare. Let the three great powers waste armies over useless icy wasteland

 

[Montalbane]

Here's things TNO could have done that would have made a more fun experience rather than the leftie visual novel it currently is

- Multiple regional conflicts where the three great powers could parrticipate in.

Imagine 5 different civil wars and uprisings happening at the same time where you can pick a side. You could end up simultaneously having a war in Brazil where the US has to fight German and Japanese expeditionary forces, but at the same time allied with german forces in a indonesian revolt, and allied with the japanese in a civil war in east africa

- Everyone has super weapons

Japanese submarine carriers.
Flying super jets large enough to airdrop hundreds of men and carry escort crafts beneath their wings.
Land cruisers.
Satellite lasers.
Nuclear cannons.

- All nations should have a path to change ideology

But it should also be possible for a democratic america to ally with Japan to contain Germany, or germany supplying japan if war breaks out in the pacific

Goal is for the two weaker great powers to contain the greater threat

- More freedom when it comes to social policies.

If you play as the US you should be free to use political power to conscript every man and their dog

Or let Japan allow women to serve and have their military waifus

- arctic and antarctic bases and warfare. Let the three great powers waste armies over useless icy wasteland

Look here buckaroo, this is a simulation game.
Fun
Is
Not
Allowed.

 

[Marshal Mannerheim]

Mugabe's communism wasn't real communism.
Ergo it must have been nazism.

Also since this is a thread about the HoI4 community for the mentally challenged, does anybody remember the modern day 4 shitshow?
I only saw glimpses of it, something to do with the economy system and Focus spergery.
Also if anyone has any good kaiserreich drama I am all ears, most of it has been sanitized and I could find none of the good stuff.

Which begs the question - are there any real communists in TNO apart from the Siberian Black Army?

Here's things TNO could have done that would have made a more fun experience rather than the leftie visual novel it currently is

- Multiple regional conflicts where the three great powers could parrticipate in.

Imagine 5 different civil wars and uprisings happening at the same time where you can pick a side. You could end up simultaneously having a war in Brazil where the US has to fight German and Japanese expeditionary forces, but at the same time allied with german forces in a indonesian revolt, and allied with the japanese in a civil war in east africa

This actually seems reasonable and reminds me of the tried and tested way of grabbing land off the Holy Roman Empire in CK2.

Just wait for the umpteenth Slavic or Muslim religious uprising (yes, I said Muslim, I recently played a game where the HRE fucked around in Andalusia), declare war when the HRE are sending 22000 troops to Bumfuckistan, profit.

 

[Figger Naggot]

Here's things TNO could have done that would have made a more fun experience rather than the leftie visual novel it currently is

- Multiple regional conflicts where the three great powers could parrticipate in.

Imagine 5 different civil wars and uprisings happening at the same time where you can pick a side. You could end up simultaneously having a war in Brazil where the US has to fight German and Japanese expeditionary forces, but at the same time allied with german forces in a indonesian revolt, and allied with the japanese in a civil war in east africa

That would be pretty cool. Like an actual real cold war scenario, you'd need to win proxy wars on limited resources, and you would need to stabilize and nurture your chosen regime. You also wouldn't have to worry about the world getting fucking destroyed every time you want to fight a fun and challenging war. It's the only way HOI4 style gameplay makes any sense in a post WWII world where most of the superpowers are armed with nukes.

 

[Big Brown Schlub]

Here's things TNO could have done that would have made a more fun experience rather than the leftie visual novel it currently is

- Multiple regional conflicts where the three great powers could parrticipate in.

Imagine 5 different civil wars and uprisings happening at the same time where you can pick a side. You could end up simultaneously having a war in Brazil where the US has to fight German and Japanese expeditionary forces, but at the same time allied with german forces in a indonesian revolt, and allied with the japanese in a civil war in east africa

- Everyone has super weapons

Japanese submarine carriers.
Flying super jets large enough to airdrop hundreds of men and carry escort crafts beneath their wings.
Land cruisers.
Satellite lasers.
Nuclear cannons.

- All nations should have a path to change ideology

But it should also be possible for a democratic america to ally with Japan to contain Germany, or germany supplying japan if war breaks out in the pacific

Goal is for the two weaker great powers to contain the greater threat

- More freedom when it comes to social policies.

If you play as the US you should be free to use political power to conscript every man and their dog

Or let Japan allow women to serve and have their military waifus

- arctic and antarctic bases and warfare. Let the three great powers waste armies over useless icy wasteland

Given this is TNO they're more likely to think of something retarded like make up some scenario where Tokugawa Iesato or Iemasa reestablish the Shogunate, unlocking cool and fun new technologies for Japanese like teaching their soldiers how to slice bullets mid-air with their swords like it's some dime-a-dozen shonen anime and technology which resurrects Saigo Takamori as some sort of Frankenstein-like monstrosity. However, resurrecting Takamori is a "trap" path because after like 6 months of in-game time he remembers that he was supposed to overthrow the Shogunate so he starts a civil war.

 

[KiwiJoe]

Which begs the question - are there any real communists in TNO apart from the Siberian Black Army?

This actually seems reasonable and reminds me of the tried and tested way of grabbing land off the Holy Roman Empire in CK2.

Just wait for the umpteenth Slavic or Muslim religious uprising (yes, I said Muslim, I recently played a game where the HRE fucked around in Andalusia), declare war when the HRE are sending 22000 troops to Bumfuckistan, profit.

Sablin who can lead a heckin' wholesome Libertarian Socialist USSR with democracy (somehow? even though its a one party state where the VKP(b) dominates politics) and buttsex rights. There's even an event where he liberates a bunch of gays from Rodzavesky's concentration camps after he beats him. Oh and his 'bad ending' is ending up as Authoritarian Socialist instead of Libertarian Socialist, but be pretty much has 99% of the wholesome stuff still around.

I admit I don't know much about Russian/Soviet history but from what I know the Russian community of TNO and HOI4 doesn't like how they white-wash him in the mod, and in Russia (in general) they consider Sablin IRL a terrorist and criminal.

 

[Techpriest]

Sablin who can lead a heckin' LibSoc USSR with democracy (somehow?) and buttsex rights. There's even an event where he liberates a bunch of gays from Rodzavesky's concentration camps after he beats him.

I admit I don't know much about Russian/Soviet history but from what I know the Russian community of TNO and HOI4 doesn't like how they white-wash him in the mod, and in Russia (in general) they consider Sablin IRL a terrorist.

TNO has a lot of variations on obscure historical figures such as Funny Clockman, who while he was a crazy Nazi in real life, wasn’t as crazy as portrayed in the mod. Some people are closer to life than others.

 

[HumanHive]

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This is perhaps one of the core reasons why TNO is such a disaster as a serious work. The Imperium of Man is obviously a horrible hellhole with ironic admirers because the setting is inherently so ridiculous.

However when it comes to real life figures, Panzers bizarre decision to create stories that make you feel sorry for genuine Nazis that literally killed millions in real life and didn't do the wholesome things they did in the mod, it undermines the entire point of the whole thing!

In Pamzers interviews (where you can audibly hear him being sucked off), he spoke about how he hated that the media would often say (implicitly) that the Nazis were either good at technology or economics or that not all Nazis were bad (muh wehrmacht dindu nuffin, they were good boys).

The mod itself does little to actually drive this point home because the very first thing the Nazis do is land the first man on the moon. There is a path where Speer can reform and save Nazism, while Heydrich is given a wholesome redemption path. Further afield, the mod constantly goes out of its way to nudge the player with the implied message "actually America is bad like the Nazis when you think about it" much like how dipshits simped for the Khmer Rouge back in the day and would reflexively point to how the USA did a coup in some Banana Republic as though it absolves the Khmer Rouge.

I wouldn't be upset if it were just a meme mod, or for fun. What upsets me is the utter pretentiousness of the developers in claiming this is some kind of masterpiece that decries tyranny while constantly making players want to come and LARP as burgundy or taboritsky in the game because they are based. If you're attracting players who are unironically feeling sorry for nazis, getting nazi memorabilia, and making fanart for their ideological waifus, maybe you are failing to tackle fascism. Perhaps you may even be enabling it.

I’m not even convinced Panzer is a “reformed nazi”, I think he’s just a Naziaboo who knows if he’s too open about it that he’ll be shunned by anyone who would help him make his Nazi fapfic VN. Notice how literally who’s in the SS get ridiculous deaths, while the actual Nazi leadership don’t - they just backstab each other and have to deal with the consequences of perfidious Italy and Himmler more than anything else. It’s like a “Christian” writer who writes long monologues about all the tortures demons have in store for you in Hell; at a certain point it’s clear he is more excited by the prospect of Hell than Heaven.

The real tankies made Kaiserriech. It actually has content that commiefags like, such as a commie - errr, sydicalist - revolution in America. And unlike TNO, it isn’t afraid to let you play as Bonaparist MacArthur.

 

[Marshal Mannerheim]

Sablin who can lead a heckin' wholesome Libertarian Socialist USSR with democracy (somehow? even though its a one party state where the VKP(b) dominates politics) and buttsex rights. There's even an event where he liberates a bunch of gays from Rodzavesky's concentration camps after he beats him. Oh and his 'bad ending' is ending up as Authoritarian Socialist instead of Libertarian Socialist, but be pretty much has 99% of the wholesome stuff still around.

I admit I don't know much about Russian/Soviet history but from what I know the Russian community of TNO and HOI4 doesn't like how they white-wash him in the mod, and in Russia (in general) they consider Sablin IRL a terrorist and criminal.

What?

Sablin was an orthodox Leninist and wouldn't have been cool with libertarian socialists. He mutinied because he thought Brezhnev wasn't socialist enough.

 

[Übertroon]

I’m not even convinced Panzer is a “reformed nazi”, I think he’s just a Naziaboo who knows if he’s too open about it that he’ll be shunned by anyone who would help him make his Nazi fapfic VN. Notice how literally who’s in the SS get ridiculous deaths, while the actual Nazi leadership don’t - they just backstab each other and have to deal with the consequences of perfidious Italy and Himmler more than anything else. It’s like a “Christian” writer who writes long monologues about all the tortures demons have in store for you in Hell; at a certain point it’s clear he is more excited by the prospect of Hell than Heaven.

The real tankies made Kaiserriech. It actually has content that commiefags like, such as a commie - errr, sydicalist - revolution in America. And unlike TNO, it isn’t afraid to let you play as Bonaparist MacArthur.

Nah, Panzer has all the hallmarks of a edgy teen who thinks he has been deradicalized by watching "breadtube"

The reason why Himmler has yet to die a brutal ridiculous death is because Panzer needs him to further the narrative of nazis being wacky loons. Remember that ultimately the plan is for Himmler to nuke Nazi Germany if they defeat the good guys, killing all the nazis and paving the way for globohomo utopia once civilization rebuilds