I remember earlier someone stating that they got vaush (lmao) to help write some things, is this true.
That would explain a lot.
I've been playing this mod and know about the TNO's community bullshit, didn't know there was a thread on here. Can't really give my entire piece because the OP, Merry, and ConfederateIrishman have basically said what I would've already said: Pink Panzer is a grifting faggot that's bordering into E-Celeb attention whoring because of the mod's clout, he ripped off an RP from Facepunch and inserted his own personal bullshit to make a political message about how bad/dum/evil Nazis, Far Right are or whaetever.
I don't care if the mods supposed to be a Wolfenstein dystopia for an Axis victory, but you have a creator who transitions from Stormfag to Vaushfag faster than a tranny, who specifically admits he just wants to own the Wehraboos, obviously has a grudge against Fascism for some unknown reason, and goes out of his way simping for Kochinski and banning FR who were trying to help him, while most of his staffing is compromised of RevLeft. The issue about TNO is the people in charge who are definitely trying to push an ulterior message.
Example, whenever a fascist or "bad guy" leader dies the country instantly collapses into civil war. IRL Hitler laid down a proposed system for selecting new Fuhrers by a sort of conclave (with the army and officials swearing allegiance to the new successor within three hours) specifically to avert this type of scenario, and by the time of TNO he would have had almost twenty years to formally codify and refine this succession system and write it into law. Even if he hadn't done that, a guy like Hitler choosing a successor by autocracy would at least be respected enough after winning the war to have people follow his selection. But in TNO world, fascist states are basically depicted as Ork WAAAGHs that immediately start krumping each other as soon as da Warboss dies. Contrast with democratic countries like the US, which despite having lost the war is perfectly stable, with no possible civil wars or uprisings in the game, and every succession being peaceful and orderly (except people rioting against Yockey because he's bad). The evil Natzee fash needs to democratize and liberalize itself or the country implodes overnight, because Nazis bad and stuff.
There are other examples like the Nuclear Armageddon endings or Nazi Germany/America being on this deterministic path of collapsing/stabilizing, or how they obviously suck Soviet dick. The good thing about Kaiserreich is they don't give you a pre-determined canon timeline, it's better to speculate on what happens next and would be great for TNO to branch out different endings. But TNO doesn't want to do that, they to give you this determined ending to give some lesson and "rly make you think" about some decision that's supposed to make you feel bad and how to hate/like political ideology. They are basically forcing you to go down a deterministic path based on their own political manifest because of PinkPanzer's ego.
That's not making a good game, that's just them just ripping off another story so they can insert their own shitty politically opinionated fanfiction that is full of holes, to give me stupid ass "moral" lessons that I don't give a fuck about.
To be fair, it's not that much of a stretch to say that Hitler and the need to fight in the war were the two main things holding Nazi Germany together and stopping the pragmatists from attacking the pro-
Generalplan Ost folks, and that on Hitler's death, assuming he dies at peace, there would have been a lot of scheming within the Reich, but there's a wealth of difference between that and ”Hitler kicks the bucket, everything goes to shit”.
The way I'd do it is by allowing whoever the
Führer at the time is to nominate a successor and, on that person's death, giving
Gauleiters and other NSDAP officials the choice to wholeheartedly accept the new leader, vote against the ex-
Führer's choice in the conclave you mentioned or go into open rebellion. This would be a lot more dynamic than ”fascists are unstable lol” and would make Nazi Germany a lot more interesting politically.
To their credit they purged that stupid cannibal shit. But that's exactly why they moralize, because they've (probably only Panzer) appropriated a setting in such a way which has allowed them to do so. The absurd shit like coloured bathrooms killing African unification are a part of the transitional period of the mod centrally moralfagging about America's actions instead of Nazi Germany's actions. Very much by Panzer's own admission. It's just that the current content is only the beginning of it. Here's their development timeline. We'll all be back around the mid quarter of next year to mock their political messaging. But right now, we've exhausted a lot of what can be said about the mod that's most apparent.
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More related to Panzer but his Crusader Kings mod Godherja is releasing on the 18th or 22th this month. I don't think it'll be as lulzfilled as TNO though. Since the mod has a lot less writing and doesn't seem to be super narrative focused. But I'll have to look more into it. Also, Panzer hasn't been up to much publicly outside of austisticlly fighting in the bowels Cyberpunk 2077 subreddit. But he did make response on the "Fragilewhiteredditor" Sub to provide a small amount of additional context onto why he stepped down from being the lead dev.
https://www.reddit.com/r/FragileWhiteRedditor/comments/kce6a5/yellow_boy/gfudgh8/?context=3 (Archive)
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I'm confused. Are you saying he thinks African unification could have happened if Jim Crow never existed?
I wanna know who came up with the new Heydrich path, because if they don't want "white washing" of like Japan and other countries (which is fucking stupid, it's a video game, let people do the fun, government isn't collapsing paths), than turning letting the dev team turn one of the most controversial Nazis into a surprise hero is a weird choice
(The new Heydrich path is he uses a coalition of Polish people, Jews, Slaves, Ultra nationalists and Communists to try and stop Himmler from blowing up the world, if he succeeds France annexes Burgundy and Heydrich promptly kills himself out of guilt for what he did during WW2. If he fails, Germany explodes into SS warlord states.)
Sorry, what?
Heydrich was in the SS, who were made up of hardcore Nazis. There's no way he'd be pragmatic enough to work with Jews, even to save the world. Giving him a redemption arc is just offensive.
The advice was apparently to make a top nazi troon out on a spiritual level.
Think about it, Heydrich suddenly becomes a Good™ guy, loved by lefties and then kills himself.
Good point.
I mean, I can tell for certain some nations are definitely a bit too 'out there' for the setting. Like the SBA somehow reuniting Russia (in the 1960s) and having LGBT being at 'social normality'.
For Russia to be reunited you need three things:
1) a strong government (which the rump Soviet state obviously is in no position to provide)
2) a decent economy, or at least some form of light industry, including the ability to make weapons
3) Nazi Germany, Japan and the US being either willing to support a Russian government that's friendly to them or too busy dealing with issues at home to worry about Russia.
Trans-Siberian Russia could possibly be reunited under a monarchist government which could gather enough support from peasants who feel abandoned by the Communists and are nostalgic for the Tsar, would get support from the fascists in Italy and Spain (not sure about Germany given their racial views on Slavs) and could get enough foreign aid to build up an industrial base, but a bunch of anarchists could definitely not reunite Russia and would definitely not be able to deal with the peasant uprisings that would occur as a result of their very libertarian social policy.
Example of how stupid TNO is. If you make homosexuality legal and protected you get a boost to stability and +2% population growth.
I repeat. Making gays legal apparently boosts birth numbers in TNO.
The justification given was the developers were uncomfortable with assigning negative modifiers to progressive policies. Which is not the case in vanila HOI4, where all social policies have benifits and drawbacks. You could increase production and construction by letting women enter the workforce, but it will hurt your war support and population growth
I'd say that full tolerance of homosexuality would provide technological benefits (gay scientists wouldn't be repressed) but would lead to officially religious nations having a negative opinion of you and would lower your birth rate.
That was more or less how the original RP played. Germany almost immediately started invading other countries while China started trying to play Japan and the USA off against one another.
Then in the mod itself the creators were very fond of adding "trap" paths, which are more or less ways of telling the player "fuck you" by having them play a country for 5-10 years and then it suddenly ends after trying to build up to something (Lysenkos supersoldiers come to mind).
Of course this is praised by all the right idiots but that's what you get with lazy and unimaginative people.
What even is the point of a trap path like that?
