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This was from a couple of weeks ago in my last USA playthrough in TNOmod (I was in Observer Mode at the end of my game), but the OFN Mandates in Africa can actually work in the end. It can only work if you choose to keep the mandates separate, into three chunks (East Africa, Angola, and the Congo) and invest shit tons of PP to stabilize them through decisions as the US (you could play as the mandates but it's probably a pain in the ass to constantly tag switch). The goal is to keep all three mandates stable enough until they can finish all of their focus trees, then all three can successfully decolonize and you roughly get this.

It may not be entirely accurate since I heard it's a bit bugged (you can do fun stuff like assign Idi Amin as the leader of Uganda lel) but it's not that bad from what I can tell. Which kinda fucks up the whole 'AmeriKKKa must perish' narrative by Panzer...

These are all democratic republics (varies from Conservative, Liberal, and Social Democrats) with the exception of Katanga (which is labeled as Fascist, because its ran by a Belgian Mercenary which I guess is supposed to be a Rhodesia-expy?). Whereas in the OFN-leaning ceasefire half of the African countries are led by despots. Not to mention that there are still German remnants who probably terrorize the Africans still. This is probably an ideal outcome and feels somewhat rewording since as the US, you actually have to put time and effort into stabilizing them as opposed to it being a trap path.

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Oh and South Africa absorbs Southern Mozambique, Botswana, Namibia, and Zimbabwe. Which probably causes a lot of racial imbalance but oh well.

Don't mind Kenya and Somalia in the screenshot. At this point I was kinda 'sandboxing' things and just messing around with the debug and what-not. But the decolonized-mandates in this screenshot, do in fact work, if you just invest enough PP and get lucky. I did it as LBJ-USA but Bennet probably would've been a better president to play as for this.

My guess is that the Central African Republic (the one state solution) is doomed to fail because you are literally turning 1/2 of Sub-Saharan Africa into one country. Imagine if all EU countries were merged into one super state. Wouldn't be that unstable too?
I didn't know that part of it since I haven't tried the U.S.A in the mod yet and everywhere I went in the community I only saw people posting about how the mandates are always doomed to fail be it general statements or answers to questions. Thank you for letting me know, but yeah the collapse is one of the only realistic parts of the situation.
 
It got posted about much earlier in the thread, but to recap. The German death camp colonies in Africa can eventually capitulate to a combined South African & American offensive. When this happens the US and their toadies in the Organization of Free Nations will attempt to unify and build an African superstate out of South Africa, former German land and anyone else who will agree to it. Within the story this goes horribly because the meetings held have the African leaders being uneasy to work together and complaining about not being free right away. On the second day of the meeting a security agent accidentally informs one of the African leaders that the bathroom he wanted to use is for whites only. This causes said leader to enter a rage and exit the talks, with most other African leaders following suite. The superstate still happens but is horribly unstable and led by Westmoreland, the guy credited with fucking up the Vietnam war. It's depicted as just as bad or barely better than literal Nazi death and work camps. It's supposed to be deep political commentary about Imperialism and racism being bad, Vietnam War bad (you can napalm parts of the superstate once you form it cause lol why not? And there are massive protests at home about how this war is awful and that America shouldn't fight it and it tanks war support and stability), the Korean War and the Kirkpatrick Doctrine (American Cold War plan to establish or support far-right dictators to stop Communism's spread). So the suddenly formed half of the continent superstate is destined to fall apart and leave everything less stable than before; that being the only realistic part of the African whole situation. But you wanna know how you get the 'good ending' to the African crisis? You make peace from a position of strength with the Nazi death camp colonies. Which leads to them eventually collapsing because if you do this 100% of the time the people will suddenly rebel and reclaim their land for Africa. I don't blame you for being so confused, seeing Panzer's genius at work from the get-go requires a certain and exceptional kind of mindset and thinking.
I can't comprehend how stupid that is
Why do the Nazis get colonies in Sub-Saharan Africa and why is SA 100% for the Allies given that, in real life, things like the Ossebrandawag existed?
 
For Russia to be reunited you need three things:
1) a strong government (which the rump Soviet state obviously is in no position to provide)
2) a decent economy, or at least some form of light industry, including the ability to make weapons
3) Nazi Germany, Japan and the US being either willing to support a Russian government that's friendly to them or too busy dealing with issues at home to worry about Russia.

Trans-Siberian Russia could possibly be reunited under a monarchist government which could gather enough support from peasants who feel abandoned by the Communists and are nostalgic for the Tsar, would get support from the fascists in Italy and Spain (not sure about Germany given their racial views on Slavs) and could get enough foreign aid to build up an industrial base, but a bunch of anarchists could definitely not reunite Russia and would definitely not be able to deal with the peasant uprisings that would occur as a result of their very libertarian social policy.
One thing I don't get is how any of the post-Soviet warlords are even in the position industrially and militarily to do anything to the German Reichskommisariats. The USSR in this never even industrialized properly and lost everything up to the A-A line by the end of 1941, while the Germans have been indiscriminately bombing them for over two decades at this point. How do they even have a cohesive army at this point?
 
One thing I don't get is how any of the post-Soviet warlords are even in the position industrially and militarily to do anything to the German Reichskommisariats. The USSR in this never even industrialized properly and lost everything up to the A-A line by the end of 1941, while the Germans have been indiscriminately bombing them for over two decades at this point. How do they even have a cohesive army at this point?
It was written by a tankie who was still doing penance for having previously been a neo-Nazi, so I'd be very surprised if any of the Russian content makes sense.
 
It was written by a tankie who was still doing penance for having previously been a neo-Nazi, so I'd be very surprised if any of the Russian content makes sense.
Apparently, Bukharin (leader of the USSR in WW2 in TNO's timeline, instead of Stalin), did kinda industrialize Siberia a bit more than OTL and the Russian Warlords in Siberia can choose to improve upon it, making Siberia's industrial capacity rival that of Western Russia.

Though, personally. It's probably a matter of gameplay and story segregation. It wouldn't be fun to reunify 70% of Russia only to be cock-blocked out of the 30%.

I'd imagine it wouldn't be so crazy though for when it comes to reclaiming land from the RKs. For Russia you can probably get up to 1936 borders (all of Moskowien, Kaukasia, Belarus [not all of Ostland since its so Germanized already], and Ukraine. Oh and Vladivostok and Transamur, but no Sakhalin. Central Asia is a given. Although I guess technically you can consider Western Mongolia and Tannu Tuva a gain for the Russians.).
 
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To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand TNO. The politics are extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical marxism most of the ideas will go over a typical player's head. There's also Himmler's nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterisation- his personal philosophy draws heavily from S. M. Sterling literature, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these plots, to realise that they're not just smart- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike TNO truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the humour in Himmler's existential catchphrase "Wubba Lubba Dub Dub," which itself is a cryptic reference to Turgenev's Russian epic My Immortal. I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Pinkpanzer's genius wit unfolds itself on their pc screens. What fools.. how I pity them. 😂

And yes, by the way, i DO have a TNO tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies (MALE) eyes only- and even then they have to demonstrate that they're within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand. Nothin personnel kid 😎
 
Oh and can't forget that event where they had Ian Smith show up for a brief moment, only to kill him off to 'piss off the Rhodieboos'.
 
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Apparently, Bukharin (leader of the USSR in WW2 in TNO's timeline, instead of Stalin), did kinda industrialize Siberia a bit more than OTL and the Russian Warlords in Siberia can choose to improve upon it, making Siberia's industrial capacity rival that of Western Russia.

Though, personally. It's probably a matter of gameplay and story segregation. It wouldn't be fun to reunify 70% of Russia only to be cock-blocked out of the 30%.

I'd imagine it wouldn't be so crazy though for when it comes to reclaiming land from the RKs. For Russia you can probably get up to 1936 borders (all of Moskowien, Kaukasia, Belarus [not all of Ostland since its so Germanized already], and Ukraine. Oh and Vladivostok and Transamur, but no Sakhalin. Central Asia is a given. Although I guess technically you can consider Western Mongolia and Tannu Tuva a gain for the Russians.).
Russia would need to be able to defeat Nazi Germany in open battle if it wants the Reichskommissariats back. This requires both foreign aid and a strong army, so fighting Nazi Germany pretty much requires that trans-Siberian Russia is united and has allies, be they American, Japanese or Italian.
Oh and can't forget that event where they had Ian Smith show up for a brief moment, only to kill him off to 'piss off the Rhodieboos'.
While I admit Rhodesia wasn't the magical wonderland some on the internet think it was and that it had, to put it mildly, problems with systemic racism, it was a lot milder than South Africa, would probably have gradually democratised in the late 90s and was definitely not the evil regime that some people think it was.
 
One thing I don't get is how any of the post-Soviet warlords are even in the position industrially and militarily to do anything to the German Reichskommisariats. The USSR in this never even industrialized properly and lost everything up to the A-A line by the end of 1941, while the Germans have been indiscriminately bombing them for over two decades at this point. How do they even have a cohesive army at this point?
Last I heard: according to Panzer Russia will canonically be the fourth superpower; Italy is doomed to never get to be a full superpower. Also according to the lore the USSR *only* industrialized from the Urals to Siberia which is why the Germans won as they rolled through agrarian European Russia.

Yes I am annoyed, Italy is sitting on most of the word's oil supply at the time but ultimately that does not matter to the narrative.
 
Russia would need to be able to defeat Nazi Germany in open battle if it wants the Reichskommissariats back. This requires both foreign aid and a strong army, so fighting Nazi Germany pretty much requires that trans-Siberian Russia is united and has allies, be they American, Japanese or Italian.

While I admit Rhodesia wasn't the magical wonderland some on the internet think it was and that it had, to put it mildly, problems with systemic racism, it was a lot milder than South Africa, would probably have gradually democratised in the late 90s and was definitely not the evil regime that some people think it was.
Rhodesia was far worse than South Africa. That whole topic is a bit of a mess but simply put no, Rhodesia would not have democratized and had no inclination to until the rebels actually had managed to start to organize and the government forces could no longer just indiscriminately massacre unarmed men, women, and children. They still did up until a successful rebel attack killed their oil reserves.
 
Last I heard: according to Panzer Russia will canonically be the fourth superpower; Italy is doomed to never get to be a full superpower. Also according to the lore the USSR *only* industrialized from the Urals to Siberia which is why the Germans won as they rolled through agrarian European Russia.

Yes I am annoyed, Italy is sitting on most of the word's oil supply at the time but ultimately that does not matter to the narrative.
It's Italy.
It gets downplayed all the time when it comes to WW2 and the cold war.
Hell they could have fairy dust stuck up in every grandmothers fat bum and still be considered uselesa due to century old stereotypes.

Ironic thing is a lot of the leftie playbook comes from gramsci and pietro nenni and his "Botteghe Oscure" both italians.
 
Rhodesia was far worse than South Africa. That whole topic is a bit of a mess but simply put no, Rhodesia would not have democratized and had no inclination to until the rebels actually had managed to start to organize and the government forces could no longer just indiscriminately massacre unarmed men, women, and children. They still did up until a successful rebel attack killed their oil reserves.
Rhodesia didn't have bantustans or (to the best of my knowledge) a requirement that private businesses practice racial segregation.

Not to mention that focusing on Rhodesian atrocities when stuff like Flight 825 happened is disingenuous in the extreme.
It's Italy.
It gets downplayed all the time when it comes to WW2 and the cold war.
Hell they could have fairy dust stuck up in every grandmothers fat bum and still be considered uselesa due to century old stereotypes.

Ironic thing is a lot of the leftie playbook comes from gramsci and pietro nenni and his "Botteghe Oscure" both italians.
Indeed.
People don't realise that an alliance between Italy and Spain would be a decent threat to Nazi Germany.
 
Look, it might sound dumb, but I have to ask.
Why the fuck is the HoI4 modding community almost entirrly built around what amounts to shitty Visual Novels? From kaiserreich to this you're being very much railroaded into a predetermined outcome, where the player agency just stops the moment you want to try something a tad different.
Is it autism? Is it just political wanking? And is Red flood worth reinstalling HoI4?
Autism pretty much. Only an autist could enjoy "roleplaying" in a stratgy game like the kind paradox interactive makes. Superficial stuff like that seems more important to paradox than actual gameplay
Example of how stupid TNO is. If you make homosexuality legal and protected you get a boost to stability and +2% population growth.

I repeat. Making gays legal apparently boosts birth numbers in TNO.

The justification given was the developers were uncomfortable with assigning negative modifiers to progressive policies. Which is not the case in vanila HOI4, where all social policies have benifits and drawbacks. You could increase production and construction by letting women enter the workforce, but it will hurt your war support and population growth
This is another big problem with these kinds of stratgy games. Instead of having interesting in game affects everything just increases how much your numbers go up.
 
Rhodesia didn't have bantustans or (to the best of my knowledge) a requirement that private businesses practice racial segregation.

Not to mention that focusing on Rhodesian atrocities when stuff like Flight 825 happened is disingenuous in the extreme.

Indeed.
People don't realise that an alliance between Italy and Spain would be a decent threat to Nazi Germany.
They did have such requirements though they were more subtle about it. Bantustans provided at least some legal rights to natives. Rhodesian law had none of these protections. It allowed for slavery, allowed businesses to punish workers and set wages as they saw fit (to nothing for blacks), and comparing Flight 825 to the routine massacres and indiscriminate killings of unarmed civilians conducted by Rhodesia throughout the conflict is really really disingenuous. Rhodesia was not a good state to start with. The whole “Rhodesia was based and totally not as bad as South Africa” narrative is mostly because the Rhodesian government was very very good at marketing themselves as anti-communist and portraying any kind of rights for blacks as communist - something very popular in the US south during the time of the Rhodesian Brush War. There’s a lot of nuance to this stuff that is hard to get into on a forum and on a phone. I encourage you to do more research.
 
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They did have such requirements though they were more subtle about it. Bantustans provided at least some legal rights to natives. Rhodesian law had none of these protections. It allowed for slavery, allowed businesses to punish workers and set wages as they saw fit (to nothing for blacks), and comparing Flight 825 to the routine massacres and indiscriminate killings of unarmed civilians conducted by Rhodesia throughout the conflict is really really disingenuous. Rhodesia was not a good state to start with. The whole “Rhodesia was based and totally not as bad as South Africa” narrative is mostly because the Rhodesian government was very very good at marketing themselves as anti-communist and portraying any kind of rights for blacks as communist - something very popular in the US south during the time of the Rhodesian Brush War. There’s a lot of nuance to this stuff that is hard to get into on a forum and on a phone. I encourage you to do more research.
The reason why the Rhodesians get whitewashed is because their opposition was so much worse. For every black civilian the defense force killed the black rebels murdered 50.

Once the rebels got into power they ruined everything so badly blacks got nostalgia for the past.

It's hilarious that the makers of TNO treat Rhodesia as the ultimate taboo, while fellating the soviets and having no issues putting Robert Mugabe in as a leader
 
The reason why the Rhodesians get whitewashed is because their opposition was so much worse. For every black civilian the defense force killed the black rebels murdered 50.

Once the rebels got into power they ruined everything so badly blacks got nostalgia for the past.

It's hilarious that the makers of TNO treat Rhodesia as the ultimate taboo, while fellating the soviets and having no issues putting Robert Mugabe in as a leader
Hello, someone who knows an actual Zimbabwean (black) here: yes, Mugabe was awful. Yes, he ran the country into the ground. No, despite all of that, most blacks do not miss the Rhodesian government. They miss having regular food and the ability to access a market economy instead of having to barter. Framing this as them "missing the Rhodesian government" like they're a bunch of good Sambos wanting to go back to their chains because massa treated 'em so good is gold-plated bullshit.
 
Framing this as them "missing the Rhodesian government" like they're a bunch of good Sambos wanting to go back to their chains because massa treated 'em so good is gold-plated bullshit.
I said nothing of the sort. That's your personal nuance on the topic. People can still miss the days of being a second class citizen if it's compared to being a slave to a dictator who ran everything into the ground.
 
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