Plagued /r/TNOmod and the Reddit HOI4 modding community - When a subreddit for a video game mod turns to utter insanity

[Imperial Citizen]

pope boy just dropped a new Tno vid.
Link: https://youtu.be/Adu4hz872yw
edit: for got to embed the video

JustTheFacts has to have watched this thread. Unless Panzer's pro-CCP interviews were spread elsewhere.

Also, speaking of Panzer, anyone following his Godherja project? It's a CK3 mod set in a fantasy world. Do you think his grim writing will benefit from a fantasy setting or will we get a plotline in which we create feudalism with Chinese characteristics?

 

[Lizard Machine Bugs]

JustTheFacts has to have watched this thread. Unless Panzer's pro-CCP interviews were spread elsewhere.

Also, speaking of Panzer, anyone following his Godherja project? It's a CK3 mod set in a fantasy world. Do you think his grim writing will benefit from a fantasy setting or will we get a plotline in which we create feudalism with Chinese characteristics?

Looking at godherja it seems very ambitious and probably better written than Tno even if there is dumb stuff like the humans killing demi-gods and the gods with magic even though they also posses magic.
i'm betting it'll turn out better than Tno if panzer can reign in the scope of the mod and if not he'll probably drop it.
anyways here's a relavent video.
Link: https://youtu.be/TFN05T_7rcw

Edit: Godherja module links
Coronations: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2307865348
Artifacts: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2237135992

 

[Big Brown Schlub]

Yeah. Case in point - the fact that when Rajas of India got released the achievements just turned into ridiculous things like ”as a Hindu ruler hold the empire of Brittania”.

What pisses me off is that, instead of expanding the map into China and Japan or Sub-Saharan Africa, or actually fleshing out Christianity beyond ”man in big hat says 'Deus Vult', if you piss off man in big hat he kicks you out of the Church”, or doing anything vaguely beneficial to gameplay, or even allowing rulers to go Henry VIII and make their own TRUE and HONEST Catholic Church, we got useless shit like ”divine marriage” and Glitterhoof.

I dunno, I think Christianity (especially Catholicism) is strong enough as is in CK2 and yeah it's a shame you can't reform religions in CK2 except the ones classed as Pagan. In CK3 you can create your own True and Honest cult religions based out of any religion, but there's too many religions as is in the base game, seems they went full balls to the wall and added whatever irrelevant version of whatever religion in there. China just being a faceless entity that doesn't exist on the map outside of a menu sucks, yeah. They really should've added it in in the Jade Dragon DLC. I mean how fucking lame is it that you focus an entire DLC on China and then you don't even put China in the fucking game?

 

[Marshal Mannerheim]

I dunno, I think Christianity (especially Catholicism) is strong enough as is in CK2 and yeah it's a shame you can't reform religions in CK2 except the ones classed as Pagan. In CK3 you can create your own True and Honest cult religions based out of any religion, but there's too many religions as is in the base game, seems they went full balls to the wall and added whatever irrelevant version of whatever religion in there. China just being a faceless entity that doesn't exist on the map outside of a menu sucks, yeah. They really should've added it in in the Jade Dragon DLC. I mean how fucking lame is it that you focus an entire DLC on China and then you don't even put China in the fucking game?

1) I don't mean that Catholicism is too strong, given that even without player intervention the crusader states can survive and the Maghreb and Iberia often get BTFO by Christian rulers after a successful First Crusade. Even in 769 or 867 where pagans are ludicrously strong to the point where I've seen Jarl Hvitserk form England and Slavs take Braunschweig by 900, Catholicism is still the dominant religion in Western Europe and the Catholics can win a crusade against the Arabian Empire. What I mean is that the Great Schism and ecumenical councils are handled poorly, Insular Christianity is nonexistent and Catholicism is treated as if it was the same at every place and in every time in Western Europe.
2) yes. There's a balance between ”recognising that Celtic, Semitic, Kemetic and various other types of paganism did exist and including them in the game” and ”including some weird Tibetan rock worshipping cult that, for all intents and purposes, should just be considered a sect of Bön”. As for your point about custom faiths, I'd prefer it if Christian rulers could either choose to pull a Henry VIII and declare themselves to be Supreme Governor of the Church of Bumfuckistan, or if syncretic faiths naturally emerged in recently conquered pagan territories as opposed to the CK3 system where rulers can just make their own incestuous cult where everyone has to give them a shit ton of money a month.
3) definitely. There's actually so much interesting stuff you could do with China and Japan and instead, we get a hamfisted attempt at implementing an off map power. And before anyone says that China would be too overpowered, ever heard of the Holy Roman Empire?

 

[Bec]

I remember earlier someone stating that they got vaush (lmao) to help write some things, is this true.

 

[Kanuckski]

I remember earlier someone stating that they got vaush (lmao) to help write some things, is this true.

In one of the interviews linked on page 4 Pinkpanzer admits they asked Vaush for suggestions.

 

[Foltest]

In one of the interviews linked on page 4 Pinkpanzer admits they asked Vaush for suggestions.

I have one big ass question.....why? Vaush is a moron who know nothing about poltical theories and writing. All his knowledege is from halfass reading wikipedia.

 

[Big Brown Schlub]

I have one big ass question.....why? Vaush is a moron who know nothing about poltical theories and writing. All his knowledege is from halfass reading wikipedia.

Purely because he's well known in the left online griftosphere, it would be like bringing Sargon in to write paths for certain countries. All that's gonna happen is that Vaush will write events where Trotsky gets that red chud fascist Stalin outta there by starting an e-grifting event line where he pwns high-ranking officials under Stalin's regime in online debates.

 

[Kanuckski]

I have one big ass question.....why? Vaush is a moron who know nothing about poltical theories and writing. All his knowledege is from halfass reading wikipedia.

Purely because he's well known in the left online griftosphere, it would be like bringing Sargon in to write paths for certain countries. All that's gonna happen is that Vaush will write events where Trotsky gets that red chud fascist Stalin outta there by starting an e-grifting event line where he pwns high-ranking officials under Stalin's regime in online debates.

Another part of this is that Panzer is a massive Vaush fan. He's uploaded a stream of himself reacting to Vaush's debate with Tim Pool. Politics are rare videos from him though, usually just sticks to gaming. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqM5sYuer2w (archive) (don't fucking watch this shit, according to comments its an insufferable five hours where you can barely hear the debate and Panzer is just being a sperg talking over it. But you can see Panzer's face if you just open it for a few seconds)

https://www.twitch.tv/thepinkpanzer/about

 

[Cypher]

I've been playing this mod and know about the TNO's community bullshit, didn't know there was a thread on here. Can't really give my entire piece because the OP, Merry, and ConfederateIrishman have basically said what I would've already said: Pink Panzer is a grifting faggot that's bordering into E-Celeb attention whoring because of the mod's clout, he ripped off an RP from Facepunch and inserted his own personal bullshit to make a political message about how bad/dum/evil Nazis, Far Right are or whaetever.

I don't care if the mods supposed to be a Wolfenstein dystopia for an Axis victory, but you have a creator who transitions from Stormfag to Vaushfag faster than a tranny, who specifically admits he just wants to own the Wehraboos, obviously has a grudge against Fascism for some unknown reason, and goes out of his way simping for Kochinski and banning FR who were trying to help him, while most of his staffing is compromised of RevLeft. The issue about TNO is the people in charge who are definitely trying to push an ulterior message.

Example, whenever a fascist or "bad guy" leader dies the country instantly collapses into civil war. IRL Hitler laid down a proposed system for selecting new Fuhrers by a sort of conclave (with the army and officials swearing allegiance to the new successor within three hours) specifically to avert this type of scenario, and by the time of TNO he would have had almost twenty years to formally codify and refine this succession system and write it into law. Even if he hadn't done that, a guy like Hitler choosing a successor by autocracy would at least be respected enough after winning the war to have people follow his selection. But in TNO world, fascist states are basically depicted as Ork WAAAGHs that immediately start krumping each other as soon as da Warboss dies. Contrast with democratic countries like the US, which despite having lost the war is perfectly stable, with no possible civil wars or uprisings in the game, and every succession being peaceful and orderly (except people rioting against Yockey because he's bad). The evil Natzee fash needs to democratize and liberalize itself or the country implodes overnight, because Nazis bad and stuff.

There are other examples like the Nuclear Armageddon endings or Nazi Germany/America being on this deterministic path of collapsing/stabilizing, or how they obviously suck Soviet dick. The good thing about Kaiserreich is they don't give you a pre-determined canon timeline, it's better to speculate on what happens next and would be great for TNO to branch out different endings. But TNO doesn't want to do that, they to give you this determined ending to give some lesson and "rly make you think" about some decision that's supposed to make you feel bad and how to hate/like political ideology. They are basically forcing you to go down a deterministic path based on their own political manifest because of PinkPanzer's ego.

That's not making a good game, that's just them just ripping off another story so they can insert their own shitty politically opinionated fanfiction that is full of holes, to give me stupid ass "moral" lessons that I don't give a fuck about.

 

[Kanuckski]

I've been playing this mod and know about the TNO's community bullshit, didn't know there was a thread on here. Can't really give my entire piece because the OP, Merry, and ConfederateIrishman have basically said what I would've already said: Pink Panzer is a grifting faggot that's bordering into E-Celeb attention whoring because of the mod's clout, he ripped off an RP from Facepunch and inserted his own personal bullshit to make a political message about how bad/dum/evil Nazis, Far Right are or whaetever.

I don't care if the mods supposed to be a Wolfenstein dystopia for an Axis victory, but you have a creator who transitions from Stormfag to Vaushfag faster than a tranny, who specifically admits he just wants to own the Wehraboos, obviously has a grudge against Fascism for some unknown reason, and goes out of his way simping for Kochinski and banning FR who were trying to help him, while most of his staffing is compromised of RevLeft. The issue about TNO is the people in charge who are definitely trying to push an ulterior message.

Example, whenever a fascist or "bad guy" leader dies the country instantly collapses into civil war. IRL Hitler laid down a proposed system for selecting new Fuhrers by a sort of conclave (with the army and officials swearing allegiance to the new successor within three hours) specifically to avert this type of scenario, and by the time of TNO he would have had almost twenty years to formally codify and refine this succession system and write it into law. Even if he hadn't done that, a guy like Hitler choosing a successor by autocracy would at least be respected enough after winning the war to have people follow his selection. But in TNO world, fascist states are basically depicted as Ork WAAAGHs that immediately start krumping each other as soon as da Warboss dies. Contrast with democratic countries like the US, which despite having lost the war is perfectly stable, with no possible civil wars or uprisings in the game, and every succession being peaceful and orderly (except people rioting against Yockey because he's bad). The evil Natzee fash needs to democratize and liberalize itself or the country implodes overnight, because Nazis bad and stuff.

There are other examples like the Nuclear Armageddon endings or Nazi Germany/America being on this deterministic path of collapsing/stabilizing, or how they obviously suck Soviet dick. The good thing about Kaiserreich is they don't give you a pre-determined canon timeline, it's better to speculate on what happens next and would be great for TNO to branch out different endings. But TNO doesn't want to do that, they to give you this determined ending to give some lesson and "rly make you think" about some decision that's supposed to make you feel bad and how to hate/like political ideology. They are basically forcing you to go down a deterministic path based on their own political manifest because of PinkPanzer's ego.

That's not making a good game, that's just them just ripping off another story so they can insert their own shitty politically opinionated fanfiction that is full of holes, to give me stupid ass "moral" lessons that I don't give a fuck about.

His grudge against fascism comes from typical Trump derangement shit. Shit like how fascism is somehow on the march in democratic countries and MUST BE STOPPED. Most of the messages are largely obvious lessons (two wrongs don't make a right and extremism from either side of the spectrum is bad) that no normal person will even acknowledge because it's so obvious. While no extremist playing TNO to live in their fantasy gives a shit.

 

[Techpriest]

I've been playing this mod and know about the TNO's community bullshit, didn't know there was a thread on here. Can't really give my entire piece because the OP, Merry, and ConfederateIrishman have basically said what I would've already said: Pink Panzer is a grifting faggot that's bordering into E-Celeb attention whoring because of the mod's clout, he ripped off an RP from Facepunch and inserted his own personal bullshit to make a political message about how bad/dum/evil Nazis, Far Right are or whaetever.

I don't care if the mods supposed to be a Wolfenstein dystopia for an Axis victory, but you have a creator who transitions from Stormfag to Vaushfag faster than a tranny, who specifically admits he just wants to own the Wehraboos, obviously has a grudge against Fascism for some unknown reason, and goes out of his way simping for Kochinski and banning FR who were trying to help him, while most of his staffing is compromised of RevLeft. The issue about TNO is the people in charge who are definitely trying to push an ulterior message.

Example, whenever a fascist or "bad guy" leader dies the country instantly collapses into civil war. IRL Hitler laid down a proposed system for selecting new Fuhrers by a sort of conclave (with the army and officials swearing allegiance to the new successor within three hours) specifically to avert this type of scenario, and by the time of TNO he would have had almost twenty years to formally codify and refine this succession system and write it into law. Even if he hadn't done that, a guy like Hitler choosing a successor by autocracy would at least be respected enough after winning the war to have people follow his selection. But in TNO world, fascist states are basically depicted as Ork WAAAGHs that immediately start krumping each other as soon as da Warboss dies. Contrast with democratic countries like the US, which despite having lost the war is perfectly stable, with no possible civil wars or uprisings in the game, and every succession being peaceful and orderly (except people rioting against Yockey because he's bad). The evil Natzee fash needs to democratize and liberalize itself or the country implodes overnight, because Nazis bad and stuff.

There are other examples like the Nuclear Armageddon endings or Nazi Germany/America being on this deterministic path of collapsing/stabilizing, or how they obviously suck Soviet dick. The good thing about Kaiserreich is they don't give you a pre-determined canon timeline, it's better to speculate on what happens next and would be great for TNO to branch out different endings. But TNO doesn't want to do that, they to give you this determined ending to give some lesson and "rly make you think" about some decision that's supposed to make you feel bad and how to hate/like political ideology. They are basically forcing you to go down a deterministic path based on their own political manifest because of PinkPanzer's ego.

That's not making a good game, that's just them just ripping off another story so they can insert their own shitty politically opinionated fanfiction that is full of holes, to give me stupid ass "moral" lessons that I don't give a fuck about.

Well kaiserreich does have a predetermined timeline... in that Kerenskey is always assassinated.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

I don't get why you'd be all moralistic about NAZIS BAD STOP FASCISM in a mod where cannibalistic British noblemen wander around India raping and murdering and eating people and Idi Amin gets told to use the restroom for coloreds.

 

[Kanuckski]

I don't get why you'd be all moralistic about NAZIS BAD STOP FASCISM in a mod where cannibalistic British noblemen wander around India raping and murdering and eating people and Idi Amin gets told to use the restroom for coloreds.

To their credit they purged that stupid cannibal shit. But that's exactly why they moralize, because they've (probably only Panzer) appropriated a setting in such a way which has allowed them to do so. The absurd shit like coloured bathrooms killing African unification are a part of the transitional period of the mod centrally moralfagging about America's actions instead of Nazi Germany's actions. Very much by Panzer's own admission. It's just that the current content is only the beginning of it. Here's their development timeline. We'll all be back around the mid quarter of next year to mock their political messaging. But right now, we've exhausted a lot of what can be said about the mod that's most apparent.

More related to Panzer but his Crusader Kings mod Godherja is releasing on the 18th or 22th this month. I don't think it'll be as lulzfilled as TNO though. Since the mod has a lot less writing and doesn't seem to be super narrative focused. But I'll have to look more into it. Also, Panzer hasn't been up to much publicly outside of austisticlly fighting in the bowels Cyberpunk 2077 subreddit. But he did make response on the "Fragilewhiteredditor" Sub to provide a small amount of additional context onto why he stepped down from being the lead dev. https://www.reddit.com/r/FragileWhiteRedditor/comments/kce6a5/yellow_boy/gfudgh8/?context=3 (Archive)

 

[Montalbane]

Look, it might sound dumb, but I have to ask.
Why the fuck is the HoI4 modding community almost entirrly built around what amounts to shitty Visual Novels? From kaiserreich to this you're being very much railroaded into a predetermined outcome, where the player agency just stops the moment you want to try something a tad different.
Is it autism? Is it just political wanking? And is Red flood worth reinstalling HoI4?

 

[cans.wav]

I wanna know who came up with the new Heydrich path, because if they don't want "white washing" of like Japan and other countries (which is fucking stupid, it's a video game, let people do the fun, government isn't collapsing paths), than turning letting the dev team turn one of the most controversial Nazis into a surprise hero is a weird choice

(The new Heydrich path is he uses a coalition of Polish people, Jews, Slaves, Ultra nationalists and Communists to try and stop Himmler from blowing up the world, if he succeeds France annexes Burgundy and Heydrich promptly kills himself out of guilt for what he did during WW2. If he fails, Germany explodes into SS warlord states.)

 

[myiqis53]

The sub had an EXTREMELY anti German, edging on pro German genocide slant before Panzer banned that to his credit. You legit had tankies and anarchists romanticizing about how they'd purge Germans from the Baltic and East Germany when the mod came out, this was around 2019. I really do think there's more potential than people think to documenting and mocking this entire community.

Really, Do you have any screenshots?

@Montalbane focus trees, autism, political wanking, you name it.

 

[Montalbane]

I wanna know who came up with the new Heydrich path, because if they don't want "white washing" of like Japan and other countries (which is fucking stupid, it's a video game, let people do the fun, government isn't collapsing paths), than turning letting the dev team turn one of the most controversial Nazis into a surprise hero is a weird choice

(The new Heydrich path is he uses a coalition of Polish people, Jews, Slaves, Ultra nationalists and Communists to try and stop Himmler from blowing up the world, if he succeeds France annexes Burgundy and Heydrich promptly kills himself out of guilt for what he did during WW2. If he fails, Germany explodes into SS warlord states.)

Isn't that one of the plot points from Man in the High Castle? I remember the japanese using the abwher and the Italians to reach Heydrich in order to coup the reich and depose the generals hellbent on nuking the planet.
The rest of course is utter leftie bullshit, which aligns with the tumblr nazi fandom which imagined Heydrich as a smol bean uwu soft boy.
Reinforcing that idea with talk of how he wasn't that brutal to the czechs, despite him having no qualm in slaughtering entire villages, just that he used a carrot and stick approach to things.
Source:I read the operation anthropoid books, not perfect but give you enough on an insight on the chap.

Also the english cannibals thing was metal as fuck and reminds me of that insane mod for new vegas.

 

[Montalbane]

Really, Do you have any screenshots?

@Montalbane focus trees, autism, political wanking, you name it.

Gotcha, damn shame some of the stuff I read seemed quite hilarious and interesting.
But why do they keep modding HoI4 tho? Unless you add some gameplay stuff it just becomes a crossover between a shitty politisperg VN and a unfinished painting sim.
Back to Medieval 2 I go.

 

[myiqis53]

Gotcha, damn shame some of the stuff I read seemed quite hilarious and interesting.
But why do they keep modding HoI4 tho? Unless you add some gameplay stuff it just becomes a crossover between a shitty politisperg VN and a unfinished painting sim.
Back to Medieval 2 I go.

I know how you feel, at least HOI3 is pretty fun. I hope you enjoy medieval 2.