US Rabbi challenges abortion ban on religious grounds

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While the U.S. Supreme Court's decision to overturn Roe v. Wade sparked widespread protests in New York, around the country, and even abroad, Rabbi Barry Silver, a lawyer and the spiritual leader of Congregation L'Dor Ava-Dor in Florida, started preparing a lawsuit to challenge the resulting Florida anti-abortion law. At the heart of his claim is that certain Supreme Court justices are using religion to dictate how all Americans should live their lives.

"A lot of people are getting kind of tired of some self-righteous, arrogant people thinking they can dictate morality to everybody else," the rabbi told FOX 5 News. "It is outrageous. It is wrong. And there's a legal term for it -- it's called 'chutzpah.'"

Silver said the goal of the lawsuit is the show the Supreme Court is dismantling the separation between church and state.

"If you practice Judaism in Florida, you are now a criminal. If I were to tell someone that according to Jewish law, you have an obligation to protect yourself and have an abortion," Silver said. "If she has it, I get arrested and tossed in jail. I'm now a criminal for practicing Judaism."

Legal experts say at least three of the Supreme Court justices testified at their own confirmation hearings that Roe v. Wade was settled law and that they would not touch it. Yet the new justices moved quickly to do exactly that, prompting calls for their impeachment.

Experts also say that this lawsuit could mean the Supreme Court is headed for a legal checkmate — if God gets to decide a woman's rights, then whose god gets to decide it?
 
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OrangeJuliusEvola said:
Man, you guys really go apeshit when someone opposed to you all has actually read up and studied on the subject rather than repeat brain dead tropes from the Protocols. Good to see Saadia Gaon's lies live on to this day.
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Lol. "Actually read up on the subject", yet brings up the Karaites instead of Sadducees, for some reason. Anyway, Karaites engage in the same sort of "dicking over your deity" that you think Rabbinic Jews do - they'll have a court issue a bill of divorce against a husband's will purely if the wife demands it, which is definitely not the way that biblical divorce worked. Claiming that Rabbinic Judaism is all about finding loopholes to outsmart God is exactly the sort of brain dead trope you'd find in the Protocols.
 
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Local FloRida-man said:
I actually have little issue with the ritualistic nature of it. When I read about ancient pagans sacrificing animals to their gods for boons I also see the sense in that: they respect their gods, the gods require offering, they offer something up to them out of respect.

It's more the meaning behind it. The idea that you can circumvent your responsibility to God via an animal stand in, instead of through atonement and His forgiveness that I find strange. If there's text saying it's a decree from Him as an approved form of repentance/cleansing then never mind, but as is I just find it odd.
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It’s called Korban. Animals are made as a sacrificial offering to God, whether it be for a blessing, forgiveness, or as part of a ritual. The problem of people just using the sacrifice and continuing to sin was identified by the ancient Jews such as Isaiah and Jeremiah. It’s not as if the Jews were trying to trick God.

Think about the society back then. Someone sacrificing some of their livestock to be forgiven for sin is giving up a crucial part of their livelihood. That ought to show a serious willingness to be forgiven. The problem of sincerity arises when people offer a sacrifice just to claim that they are forgiven. How often do we see that same problem today, where people make a show of forgiveness and not truest change afterwards?
 
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EyeGuy said:
Lol. "Actually read up on the subject", yet brings up the Karaites instead of Sadducees, for some reason. Anyway, Karaites engage in the same sort of "dicking over your deity" that you think Rabbinic Jews do - they'll have a court issue a bill of divorce against a husband's will purely if the wife demands it, which is definitely not the way that biblical divorce worked.
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I clearly framed it as post-diaspora. Oh wait, I forgot all you descendants of the pharisees like to frame all other forms of Judaism as either descended from the long dead Sadducees or some perversion of practice like the Haymanot.
 
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OrangeJuliusEvola said:
I clearly framed it as post-diaspora. Oh wait, I forgot all you descendants of the pharisees like to frame all other forms of Judaism as either descended from the long dead Sadducees or some perversion of practice like the Haymanot.
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You didn't frame anything, and in any case you haven't responded to my point. It's clear you have no knowledge of how either Karaite or Rabbinic Judaism actually function. I don't get the urge from people who can't read Hebrew or Aramaic and have no experience with Jewish practice to act like they know about it.
 
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You didn't frame anything, and in any case you haven't responded to my point. It's clear you have no knowledge of how either Karaite or Rabbinic Judaism actually function. I don't get the urge from people who can't read Hebrew or Aramaic and have no experience with Jewish practice to act like they know about it.
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I know that I'll never win in disputation against a people born and bred for hundreds of years to excel at that.

I also know that no matter how many books you fill with your justifications for what you do, that it will never get outsiders to like you or trust you without resorting to trickery.

Now don't you have a village to go bulldoze somewhere?
 
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Imperial Citizen said:
It’s called Korban. Animals are made as a sacrificial offering to God, whether it be for a blessing, forgiveness, or as part of a ritual. The problem of people just using the sacrifice and continuing to sin was identified by the ancient Jews such as Isaiah and Jeremiah. It’s not as if the Jews were trying to trick God.

Think about the society back then. Someone sacrificing some of their livestock to be forgiven for sin is giving up a crucial part of their livelihood. That ought to show a serious willingness to be forgiven. The problem of sincerity arises when people offer a sacrifice just to claim that they are forgiven. How often do we see that same problem today, where people make a show of forgiveness and not truest change afterwards?
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The Korban article appears to just be on generic sacrifices. The specific ritual shown in the meme is the Kapparot, which mentions "substitution":
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I'm using the Wikipedia article since that's what you used, but other articles online specifically use the phrase "transferring sins", which is what is making everyone tilt their heads. The articles also mention modern Rabbis taking issue with the ritual for the same reason, so I guess it's at least it's being discussed in house.
 
Catch The Rainbow said:
Extremely retarded. Why not just break shabbat if you're going that far? There are plenty of products like this and while they are technically ok, no one actually uses them unless they are disabled.
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It's really weird that there's this huge market among jews for devices that allow them to attempt to cheat their 'god' when they claim they aren't interested in doing so.
 
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Yeah it's not like Jihadis are famous for engaging in drugs, fucking whores, boys, prostitutes, and all of that shit before they go blow themselves up because they know that all of their sins are going to be wiped away, Allah is only gonna fist bump them and lead them to their 72 virgins, no matter how many bumps they took off a dude's dick the night before, yeah?


And it's not like catholic girls are known for one specific brown loophole

and lmao lest we forget, our goatfucker friend's home country Iran has solved its homosexual problem by literally forcing them to become trannies, because it's only gay to fuck a dude in the ass if he has a dick too, if you cut it off its totes halal friends
 
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Blake Chortles said:
What if I told you from a Christian perspective Jews have been extinct since 70ad and what you see today is just larping like nordic pagans with no understanding of why they were to do those things?

As for the legalistic loopholes. God cares an awful lot more about why you are doing something. Are you tying a wire around nyc to be obedient or to ruleslawyer God?
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Nordic? I thought it was Near Eastern and Turk-Mongol? But yeah, the problem with the Old Laws is that Messiah has already arrived.
 
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and lmao lest we forget, our goatfucker friend's home country Iran has solved its homosexual problem by literally forcing them to become trannies, because it's only gay to fuck a dude in the ass if he has a dick too, if you cut it off its totes halal friends
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lol cry more faggot, the non-official solution is a lot more final than that
 
Local FloRida-man said:
The Korban article appears to just be on generic sacrifices. The specific ritual shown in the meme is the Kapparot, which mentions "substitution":
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I'm using the Wikipedia article since that's what you used, but other articles online specifically use the phrase "transferring sins", which is what is making everyone tilt their heads. The articles also mention modern Rabbis taking issue with the ritual for the same reason, so I guess it's at least it's being discussed in house.
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That sounds like what a scapegoat was used for. One of the things that made Judaism stand out amongst other religions at the time was not using human sacrifices. All the writings about sacrificing children to Moloch was to demonstrate that offering up other humans to atone for your sins was wrong. As I said in my last post, you have to give something up to atone for your sins. Giving up a child can be seen as giving up future prosperity in exchange for present forgiveness. My guess is that people were following the ritual and not taking it to heart, offer the blood of the innocent to the altar of their idol and believing that they are free to commit sin again.

Such barbarity and casual disregard of human life is wrong, but repentance requires sacrifice. In the time of the Temple, an animal offering was a suitable sacrifice.

Considering that this Kapparot ritual has its origins in the post Second Temple period, it was probably an attempt to recreate the kinds of sacrifices done in the Temple.
 
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