UK Race riots put Britain on collision course with Elon Musk - Britain’s government has social platforms in its sights as incitement spreads — and the X owner is squaring up for a fight.

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Race riots put Britain on collision course with Elon Musk
Politico EU (archive.ph)
By Esther Webber and Vincent Manacourt
2024-08-06 07:56:44GMT

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Fake news channels on X helped to disseminate false information about the killing of three children in Southport last week. | Christopher Furlong/Getty Images

LONDON — Britain’s in the grip of its worst race riots in decades. And Elon Musk just can't help himself.

The billionaire X owner sparked fury in the British government this weekend after he responded to incendiary footage of the far-right disorder that's sweeping the country by saying "civil war is inevitable."

The post on X was roundly condemned by U.K. Prime Minister Keir Starmer's office, which said there was “no justification” for Musk’s comments.

But Musk doubled down on Monday night. Responding to a statement from Starmer vowing his government would “not tolerate attacks on mosques or on Muslim communities,” the X boss effectively accused the British prime minister of wearing blinkers. “Shouldn’t you be concerned about attacks on all communities?”

Starmer's top interior minister, Yvette Cooper, meanwhile has a litany of complaints over the way social media giants like X are policing incitement and disinformation on their platforms.

“There are some things which are clearly already criminal, where we'll need police intervention and action to pursue those," Cooper told the BBC Monday. "There are other areas where the social media companies do have clear requirements at the moment to remove criminal material, and should be doing so, but sometimes take too long to do so.

"There are other areas where they have made commitments around their terms and conditions that are supposed to be enforced but are not being done so."

Cooper's vowed to take up the issue with tech giants this week.

Yet, despite plenty of hand-wringing over the proliferation of far-right messaging, Britain's toolbox for forcing the hands of social media companies seems limited.

This time, the riots — which have seen mosques attacked and accommodation for asylum seekers targeted — were inextricably linked to online communications. Fake news channels on X helped to disseminate false information about the killing of three children in Southport last week.

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The riots — which have seen mosques attacked and accommodation for asylum seekers targeted — were inextricably linked to online communications. | Christopher Furlong/Getty Images

Right-wing influencers with huge reach, such as English Defense League founder Tommy Robinson and actor-turned-anti-woke activist Laurence Fox, have punted messages at their thousands of followers on X, Facebook, Instagram and TikTok. (Fox approvingly shared Musk's attack on Starmer Monday night.)

WhatsApp and Telegram have been used to organize gatherings at short notice, while flyers organizing specific protests have been spread on Facebook. TikTok has been abuzz with videos of the violence.

But X in particular has proven a particular hotbed of far-right chatter. Musk's direct intervention aside, the platform has also reinstated Robinson's account. He is currently banned on Instagram and Facebook.

In a statement Monday, Britain’s Tech Secretary Peter Kyle said it is “undeniable” that social media has provided a platform for the rioters.

“We have been clear with these companies they also have a responsibility not to peddle the harm of those who seek to damage and divide our society, and we are working closely with them to ensure they meet that responsibility,” he added.

'No need to wait'
So, beyond beefing with Musk, what can Britain’s government actually do? The administration has a big legislative stick to use — but it's simply not ready yet.

Under Britain’s Online Safety Act, years in the making, platforms will have a duty to “take robust action” against illegal content. That includes content that incites violence or which is related to “racially or religiously aggravated public order offenses.”

Platforms are meant to prevent illegal content appearing on the platforms in the first place — and to act quickly to remove it if it does appear.

Failing to meet these obligations could see social media firms face fines of up to £18 million — or 10 percent of their worldwide revenue, whichever is greater — by media regulator Ofcom.

But crucially, the act's provisions on illegal content only come into effect around the end of 2024. And Britain’s existing laws on inciting violence stem from its 1986 public order act, which predates social media by decades — and so require police to comb platforms for potential breaches.

For now, British authorities can only implore tech companies to do the right thing and stringently enforce their own policies, many of which claim to ban the kind of content that has been openly rife online in recent days.

“There’s no need for online services to wait for the new laws to come into force before they make their sites and apps safer for users,” said a spokesperson for Britain's tech regulator, Ofcom.

“Our role will be to make sure that regulated services take appropriate steps to protect their users,” they added. “It will not involve us making decisions about individual posts or accounts.”

Sunder Katwala, director of the think tank British Future, told POLITICO that “will and capacity” are needed by social media platforms to remove offensive or dangerous content, “and what you've got at the moment is less will and and less capacity than you used to have, certainly in the case of X — and on Facebook and Tiktok.” X, Meta, TikTok, and Telegram were approached for comment.

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Social media could have upsides in catching those breaking the law. | Christopher Furlong/Getty Images

He added that pressure from the top could be key to forcing change, since “politicians have actually got something very important on the regulators — which is that they've got a forum to which you can summon people.”

Sara Khan, who served as former Prime Minister Rishi Sunak’s adviser on social cohesion, has accused ministers of failing to heed her 2021 report co-authored with Metropolitan Police chief Mark Rowley, which warned that certain prevalent forms of hateful extremism are not captured by existing legislation.

“Our rules have failed to evolve with this growing extremist threat, there are gaps in our legislation that is allowing them to, in effect, operate with impunity," Khan told the Guardian this week.

Over in the EU, the bloc's equivalent of the Online Safety Act — the Digital Services Act — is already in force and X is facing a probe by the European Commission over the spread of toxic content on the platform.

In France, President Emmanuel Macron even floated the idea of cutting access to social media platforms altogether because of the role he said they played in exacerbating riots in the country last summer. Britain seems unlikely to go quite that far.

Action by social media giants ultimately depends on the credible threat of enforcing regulation, according to Katwala — something he believes has been sorely lacking so far. "If tech companies don’t comply when the time comes, we’ll have a broad range of enforcement powers at our disposal," said the Ofcom spokesperson.

In the meantime, social media could have upsides in catching those breaking the law. Nazir Afzal, who was chief crown prosecutor in the north west of England at the time of 2011 disorder, pointed out that videos shared online would make it far easier to identify perpetrators than it was 13 years ago, when the main resource available was CCTV.

But, as the sparring with Musk continues, Britain's government remains to be convinced. “Some of this is about criminal behavior of individuals, and some of this is about the responsibility of the social media companies,” said Cooper, the home secretary. “We need to pursue both, because we obviously cannot carry on like this.”
 
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The British Police announce plans to Extradite and Imprison Americans who violate British Hate Speech laws on X, including discussing bad things the Brown Replacements for Ethnic Europeans do (as, per government policy, they can do no wrong).
Is this based on that one video of the Met police chief being retarded? Or is there a more official release that I'm late on?

I'm not trying to be a moron here. I genuinely cannot believe that anyone in the UK would be this fucking stupid in an official capacity.
 
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Admitting they're going to try to use terrorism as a cover for extradition. Insane cope. Imagine being a federal judge, you think you finally have an interesting case, Britain wants a US citizen. You get the extradition request and look at what it's alleging. Oh terrorism? That's bad. Look at the evidence sheet. It's for FUCKING XITTER POSTS. I'd lose my shit on whatever poor lawyer the Embassy sent or the Crown flew over.
 
This is a good example of why having firearm rights for the explicit purpose of combating a tyrannical government was created.

Any attempt to extradite or arrest anyone will be met with force. You are not the world police, you are an island monarchy filled with pakistanis with a standing military of 7 transsexuals furiously jacking off in the corner. Nobody is afraid of you, you are a toothless gay baby retard nation and you should feel blessed that people find it worthwhile to even mention in passing conversation.
 
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Britbongs on why they can't prosecute every pedo and grooming gangs: "We do not have enough resources to deal with every crime."
Britbongs when foreigners are committing thought crimes on foreign soil: "We will extradite and prosecute every last one of you."
The queen is rolling in her lizard grave.
 
The degenerate leftovers after all the best men died in the world wars manifest.

Modern brits just want no one to be mean online to them for forever having their children raped and molested by shitskins to accelerate their replacement, because of penance for racism or something. You’d think the leftovers in Germany we’re peak degenerate, but no.
 
The British Police announce plans to Extradite and Imprison Americans who violate British Hate Speech laws on X, including discussing bad things the Brown Replacements for Ethnic Europeans do (as, per government policy, they can do no wrong).

Please god, let them try.
I want to see america go to war with britain again, it would be so fucking funny.
 
Admitting they're going to try to use terrorism as a cover for extradition. Insane cope. Imagine being a federal judge, you think you finally have an interesting case, Britain wants a US citizen. You get the extradition request and look at what it's alleging. Oh terrorism? That's bad. Look at the evidence sheet. It's for FUCKING XITTER POSTS. I'd lose my shit on whatever poor lawyer the Embassy sent or the Crown flew over.
I would have told them to piss off and find actual crime to prosecute, such as the murder of three children.
 
The community happening post is wrong. The race riots happened because a muslim threatened mourners at an event held because a black man stabbed a bunch of kids.

I said it in the riot thread and I'll say it here. Americans are untouchable by the UK government and they're only encouraging being trolled. If Americans start pushing the boundaries beyond saying nigger the police don't have the resources to investigate it all. They will completely gum up the system with false reports of race rioters (pictures of the left wing cropped to hide the signs) or actual protests not happening causing a huge response to nothing. I wouldn't recommend bomb threats since they could get you across borders but there's plenty of ways to troll without crossing that line.
 
Admitting they're going to try to use terrorism as a cover for extradition. Insane cope. Imagine being a federal judge, you think you finally have an interesting case, Britain wants a US citizen. You get the extradition request and look at what it's alleging. Oh terrorism? That's bad. Look at the evidence sheet. It's for FUCKING XITTER POSTS. I'd lose my shit on whatever poor lawyer the Embassy sent or the Crown flew over.
You laugh but Obama used that same excuse (terrorism) to extra-judicially murder an American citizen and no one did anything about it.

That being said I want more than anything in the world to see them try this. The backlash would be INSANE. Fm1CIcZaYAMv96e.jpg
 
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