UK Race riots put Britain on collision course with Elon Musk - Britain’s government has social platforms in its sights as incitement spreads — and the X owner is squaring up for a fight.

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Race riots put Britain on collision course with Elon Musk
Politico EU (archive.ph)
By Esther Webber and Vincent Manacourt
2024-08-06 07:56:44GMT

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Fake news channels on X helped to disseminate false information about the killing of three children in Southport last week. | Christopher Furlong/Getty Images

LONDON — Britain’s in the grip of its worst race riots in decades. And Elon Musk just can't help himself.

The billionaire X owner sparked fury in the British government this weekend after he responded to incendiary footage of the far-right disorder that's sweeping the country by saying "civil war is inevitable."

The post on X was roundly condemned by U.K. Prime Minister Keir Starmer's office, which said there was “no justification” for Musk’s comments.

But Musk doubled down on Monday night. Responding to a statement from Starmer vowing his government would “not tolerate attacks on mosques or on Muslim communities,” the X boss effectively accused the British prime minister of wearing blinkers. “Shouldn’t you be concerned about attacks on all communities?”

Starmer's top interior minister, Yvette Cooper, meanwhile has a litany of complaints over the way social media giants like X are policing incitement and disinformation on their platforms.

“There are some things which are clearly already criminal, where we'll need police intervention and action to pursue those," Cooper told the BBC Monday. "There are other areas where the social media companies do have clear requirements at the moment to remove criminal material, and should be doing so, but sometimes take too long to do so.

"There are other areas where they have made commitments around their terms and conditions that are supposed to be enforced but are not being done so."

Cooper's vowed to take up the issue with tech giants this week.

Yet, despite plenty of hand-wringing over the proliferation of far-right messaging, Britain's toolbox for forcing the hands of social media companies seems limited.

This time, the riots — which have seen mosques attacked and accommodation for asylum seekers targeted — were inextricably linked to online communications. Fake news channels on X helped to disseminate false information about the killing of three children in Southport last week.

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The riots — which have seen mosques attacked and accommodation for asylum seekers targeted — were inextricably linked to online communications. | Christopher Furlong/Getty Images

Right-wing influencers with huge reach, such as English Defense League founder Tommy Robinson and actor-turned-anti-woke activist Laurence Fox, have punted messages at their thousands of followers on X, Facebook, Instagram and TikTok. (Fox approvingly shared Musk's attack on Starmer Monday night.)

WhatsApp and Telegram have been used to organize gatherings at short notice, while flyers organizing specific protests have been spread on Facebook. TikTok has been abuzz with videos of the violence.

But X in particular has proven a particular hotbed of far-right chatter. Musk's direct intervention aside, the platform has also reinstated Robinson's account. He is currently banned on Instagram and Facebook.

In a statement Monday, Britain’s Tech Secretary Peter Kyle said it is “undeniable” that social media has provided a platform for the rioters.

“We have been clear with these companies they also have a responsibility not to peddle the harm of those who seek to damage and divide our society, and we are working closely with them to ensure they meet that responsibility,” he added.

'No need to wait'
So, beyond beefing with Musk, what can Britain’s government actually do? The administration has a big legislative stick to use — but it's simply not ready yet.

Under Britain’s Online Safety Act, years in the making, platforms will have a duty to “take robust action” against illegal content. That includes content that incites violence or which is related to “racially or religiously aggravated public order offenses.”

Platforms are meant to prevent illegal content appearing on the platforms in the first place — and to act quickly to remove it if it does appear.

Failing to meet these obligations could see social media firms face fines of up to £18 million — or 10 percent of their worldwide revenue, whichever is greater — by media regulator Ofcom.

But crucially, the act's provisions on illegal content only come into effect around the end of 2024. And Britain’s existing laws on inciting violence stem from its 1986 public order act, which predates social media by decades — and so require police to comb platforms for potential breaches.

For now, British authorities can only implore tech companies to do the right thing and stringently enforce their own policies, many of which claim to ban the kind of content that has been openly rife online in recent days.

“There’s no need for online services to wait for the new laws to come into force before they make their sites and apps safer for users,” said a spokesperson for Britain's tech regulator, Ofcom.

“Our role will be to make sure that regulated services take appropriate steps to protect their users,” they added. “It will not involve us making decisions about individual posts or accounts.”

Sunder Katwala, director of the think tank British Future, told POLITICO that “will and capacity” are needed by social media platforms to remove offensive or dangerous content, “and what you've got at the moment is less will and and less capacity than you used to have, certainly in the case of X — and on Facebook and Tiktok.” X, Meta, TikTok, and Telegram were approached for comment.

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Social media could have upsides in catching those breaking the law. | Christopher Furlong/Getty Images

He added that pressure from the top could be key to forcing change, since “politicians have actually got something very important on the regulators — which is that they've got a forum to which you can summon people.”

Sara Khan, who served as former Prime Minister Rishi Sunak’s adviser on social cohesion, has accused ministers of failing to heed her 2021 report co-authored with Metropolitan Police chief Mark Rowley, which warned that certain prevalent forms of hateful extremism are not captured by existing legislation.

“Our rules have failed to evolve with this growing extremist threat, there are gaps in our legislation that is allowing them to, in effect, operate with impunity," Khan told the Guardian this week.

Over in the EU, the bloc's equivalent of the Online Safety Act — the Digital Services Act — is already in force and X is facing a probe by the European Commission over the spread of toxic content on the platform.

In France, President Emmanuel Macron even floated the idea of cutting access to social media platforms altogether because of the role he said they played in exacerbating riots in the country last summer. Britain seems unlikely to go quite that far.

Action by social media giants ultimately depends on the credible threat of enforcing regulation, according to Katwala — something he believes has been sorely lacking so far. "If tech companies don’t comply when the time comes, we’ll have a broad range of enforcement powers at our disposal," said the Ofcom spokesperson.

In the meantime, social media could have upsides in catching those breaking the law. Nazir Afzal, who was chief crown prosecutor in the north west of England at the time of 2011 disorder, pointed out that videos shared online would make it far easier to identify perpetrators than it was 13 years ago, when the main resource available was CCTV.

But, as the sparring with Musk continues, Britain's government remains to be convinced. “Some of this is about criminal behavior of individuals, and some of this is about the responsibility of the social media companies,” said Cooper, the home secretary. “We need to pursue both, because we obviously cannot carry on like this.”
 
Good luck with that, pretty sure that yanks have laws specifically to prevent that happening.
Correct. The United States will not extradite for things that are not illegal in the United States.

There's actually a high profile case I got extremely interested in regarding this issue specifically, the Amanda Knox case. It was a big deal when it was going on, but for anyone interested, I will give a very brief overview: Amanda Knox is a US citizen that went to study in Italy on a student visa. In 2007, Amanda, along with her boyfriend, an Italian native and citizen, were charged with the murder of Amanda's roommate. I will not go over the specific details of the case except for the police work was very shoddy, including a thoroughly contaminated and poorly preserved crime scene and cross contaminated samples. Eventually, after the Italian authorities dragging their feet for years, in 2011 Amanda went to trial and was acquitted of murder. Naturally, she immediately returned home to the United States. The Italian authorities appealed the case, and in 2015 the Italian supreme court overturned her acquittal and ordered a retrial, and the Italian government attempted to have Amanda extradited to Italy. The United States refused the extradition request on the grounds that, if this case were in the United States, the retrial would be violating her double jeopardy protections, and therefore extraditing her would be unconstitutional. Interestingly enough, the Italian supreme court decided to hold a trial in absentia and found that the cops were indeed so fucking retarded and bad at investigating, there's absolutely no way to prove anything about the case at all, because the evidence was completely fucked.

Considering that the US wouldn't extradite someone for a fucking murder charge on a technicality, there's no way they'd extradite over talking shit on the Internet. Additionally, I doubt the UK has the balls to even ask the US to extradite. Extradition is a big deal and quite political, and the UK asking the US to violate the First Amendment rights of Americans is very likely to just piss the US government off.
 
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Honest question: What's stopping a bunch of US trolls from making a bunch of fake UK accounts with real UK names/addresses and posting dumb harmless things to get arrested (or at least visited by the police)? This would not only waste law enforcement's time, but it would further piss off the UK residents.
Make sure the ones you use are commies first lol. Pick any one of the rainbow head tards. Also change your vpn to correspond to UK when posting.
 
The British Police announce plans to Extradite and Imprison Americans who violate British Hate Speech laws on X, including discussing bad things the Brown Replacements for Ethnic Europeans do (as, per government policy, they can do no wrong).

Remember, stabbing a bunch of toddlers, killing 3, is bad. But getting upset about it is a crime.

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Your brown immigrants stab children and worship a dead pedophile. Come and get me you fucking faggot.
 
IIRC, the US won't extradite people for things that aren't illegal in the US. So if you get a letter from his majesty for shitposting on X, you can tell him to suck your red, white, and blue Constitution-wrapped freedom stick.

And by that, I mean your penis.
I cannot tell a lie, I envy you bastards with your freedom, your first and second amendments. Don’t let anyone take them away from you. I know I’m preaching to the choir on this one but all those people you have talking about hate speech laws and common sense gun control? If you cave in to them you’ll end up like us.

Meme them till they cry, then meme them again. Then once more for me
Also: where the fuck is all this police resource coming from? They won’t send someone round if you’re burgled. Even if it was someone home at the time. You cannot get any kind of police involvement for actual crime in this country. We’ve been told there’s no resource. No prison places so they have release dangerous people. And now they can go after naughty words? People are incredibly pissed off about this
 
What's stopping them from doing it again?
Apparently they banned the entirety of the US from accessing the site, though a vpn would almost definitely get around it
I cannot tell a lie, I envy you bastards with your freedom, your first and second amendments. Don’t let anyone take them away from you. I know I’m preaching to the choir on this one but all those people you have talking about hate speech laws and common sense gun control? If you cave in to them you’ll end up like us.

Meme them till they cry, then meme them again. Then once more for me
Also: where the fuck is all this police resource coming from? They won’t send someone round if you’re burgled. Even if it was someone home at the time. You cannot get any kind of police involvement for actual crime in this country. We’ve been told there’s no resource. No prison places so they have release dangerous people. And now they can go after naughty words? People are incredibly pissed off about this
You're the only (((br*tish))) """person""" I'll ever say this to, but if things go south for you you're welcome in America
 
Also: where the fuck is all this police resource coming from? They won’t send someone round if you’re burgled. Even if it was someone home at the time. You cannot get any kind of police involvement for actual crime in this country. We’ve been told there’s no resource. No prison places so they have release dangerous people. And now they can go after naughty words? People are incredibly pissed off about this
The funniest thing is most Americans didn’t care about the riots and would have a few words about it. But saying they’re coming after Americans is making Americans @ all their government accounts which I imagine further ties down any resources they decided to dedicate towards policing Brits
 
The funniest thing is most Americans didn’t care about the riots and would have a few words about it. But saying they’re coming after Americans is making Americans @ all their government accounts which I imagine further ties down any resources they decided to dedicate towards policing Brits
We should all care because this is already here.

For research purposes only. “Plan” a protest on social media against refugees and illegals. Maybe even do a real one. See what happens. Watch the media, government, police and the BLM/Antifa/Palestine/LGBTQ+.
America is the UK, except with firearms.
 
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