Containment Random Thoughts & Questions

[JanuaryViolet]

he wasn't there to be fixed, just restored to being able to understand basic court procedure.

This. I work in a rather liberal jur*sdiction, and they are heavy into the "least restrictive" doctrine, but the right combination of stupid shit gets you locked up until you're at least lucid enough for a hearing. Possibly several cycles of this. Fixing Chris' issues - which are bone-deep - is not really the responsibility of the state/county/whatever. No one can be compelled to remain in a psychiatric hospital short of a civil commitment, which usually takes a lot of input and assistance from relatives, which Chris does not have. The legal system is very slow to take this step if the family is indifferent or not available. If he is not in custody/hospitalized, he cannot be involuntarily medicated except under some rather specific circumstances (which I cannot cite off of the top of my head, but have seen instances of it in court records).

What the state/county/whatever CAN do is offer him treatment opportunities once he's out of jail. They may even make it a condition of probation for a period of time, but I can tell you this regularly fails with the ones who need it most. They don't care, they don't think there is anything wrong with themselves. It's everybody else who just doesn't get it.

Again in the 'what they can do' category is seek a secured group home for him and if he walks away from that - hit the restart button, it's back to jail. Chris doesn't seem to mind taking mild psych meds, but something that makes him realize that the dimensional merge is just something he made up? He'll drop that as fast as possible. And again, involuntary medication is not easy to do in real life. (By 'involuntary' I mean they hold you down and give you an injection. Anything less is simply applied persuasion.)

Chris sees nothing wrong with himself. He has no desire to leave his world, He will make no effort to get 'better'.

The biggest red flags to me from recent years was when Chris thought she had threw away his old raggedy 'classic' shirt and pretending a pillow was his mother he shouted, slapped, punched and then humped the pillow in front of her, somehow thinking it was getting back at her.

Jeesusss fuck, when did that happen?

 

[StarDog]

You know... I was thinking about Chris' high school days being his peak. He went well over a decade reminiscing about high school as the greatest thing that ever happened to him, treasuring the ring and the memories from his late 20s and all through his 30s. There's multiple points he complains about losing his gal pals and "friends" as the antithesis to his life. This is all common knowledge and I doubt this observation is original in the slightest... but man, how weird is it to think that while Chris' life stayed perpetually frozen, all his classmates were moving on with their lives. High school is almost brought to an ethereal status for him because it was the last time he had genuine good memories and authentic people in his life without internet interference, while it's more a speck in the rearview for most other people in his class. In truth, odds are they put most of their high school memories behind them after 1 year of college or work.

Just think about that. During all the different sagas of the classic era alone, most of Chris' peers likely went to college, obtained degrees, started careers, moved out, found love, got married, and had children. The 20s are such formative young years that really set the tone for the rest of your life. People completely evolve from what they were from high school to a point that they're unrecognizable. Yet, their long-gone high school identities are forever etched in the mind of a twisted autistic manbaby, people existing in his mind as if they never grew up. Really strange.

 

[LargeChoonger]

Do you think Chris is a chronic nose picker?

 

[AnOminous]

What the state/county/whatever CAN do is offer him treatment opportunities once he's out of jail. They may even make it a condition of probation for a period of time, but I can tell you this regularly fails with the ones who need it most.

Once a year's up, so's their jurisdiction outside of a very few narrow exceptions none of which apply. They'd have to take it to a court of general jurisdiction by, e.g., filing a felony charge.

 

[A-№1]

What the state/county/whatever CAN do is offer him treatment opportunities once he's out of jail.

They'll offer him Hobson's Choice: either accept the treatment and medication, or rot on the street. Which sucks for those who actually want to help make a difference, because this basically hamstrings their efforts.

this regularly fails with the ones who need it most. They don't care, they don't think there is anything wrong with themselves. It's everybody else who just doesn't get it.

In my experience it's almost inevitable rather that regular, because the more they miss their meds, the more they believe they don't need them in the first place. It's a slippery slope to crazy and eventually something goes wrong and they take that first step. Then it's only a matter of time before it's the streets or jail or both. Rinse. Repeat.

Just think about that. During all the different sagas of the classic era alone, most of Chris' peers likely went to college, obtained degrees, started careers, moved out, found love, got married, and had children.

Not just his peers, The same can be said for some of his trolls.

People completely evolve from what they were from high school to a point that they're unrecognizable.

Attend a high school reunion and you'll meet a lot of people who didn't. It's no coincidence Chris was VERY interested in having a high school reunion.

Once a year's up, so's their jurisdiction outside of a very few narrow exceptions none of which apply. They'd have to take it to a court of general jurisdiction by, e.g., filing a felony charge.

Only if they intend to mandate care. They can offer Chris all sorts of things, but they can't compel him without putting more weight behind them.

That said, all sorts of dodgy stuff can be part of a plea deal.

 

[Pickle Inspector]

Jeesusss fuck, when did that happen?

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[Tootsie Bear]

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Man, Chris is an asshole. If he's openly admitted this imagine what we don't know goes on in their home.

 

[Ophelia]

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Is there something Barb could have done at this point? Other people make their manchildren take anger management classes or something. How many aging women would put up with this?

 

[TheShortWaveCerealKiller]

You know... I was thinking about Chris' high school days being his peak. He went well over a decade reminiscing about high school as the greatest thing that ever happened to him, treasuring the ring and the memories from his late 20s and all through his 30s. There's multiple points he complains about losing his gal pals and "friends" as the antithesis to his life. This is all common knowledge and I doubt this observation is original in the slightest... but man, how weird is it to think that while Chris' life stayed perpetually frozen, all his classmates were moving on with their lives. High school is almost brought to an ethereal status for him because it was the last time he had genuine good memories and authentic people in his life without internet interference, while it's more a speck in the rearview for most other people in his class. In truth, odds are they put most of their high school memories behind them after 1 year of college or work.

In all fairness Chris is not the only person who sees their high school life as the peak of their entire lives. Its a super common thing that happens to a lot of people scarily enough. I think with Chris is just seems more overt since he doesn't internalize it like a lot of people who feel that way do, he just lets it out at any and all times. That being said its way sadder when people dont hide it like Chris does.

Is there something Barb could have done at this point? Other people make their manchildren take anger management classes or something. How many aging women would put up with this?

Barb hasnt given an iota of a shit since Bob died. even when Bob was alive she legitimately added nothing to Chris' life outside of reinforcing his negative traits (selfishness, narcissism, laziness) so I doubt she ever felt like she had to do something / never wanted to do anything because she didnt give a shit. I know we never want to assume anything this overtly negative about anyone but I truly believe that Barb has been nothing but a negative on Chris' life since day one.

 

[Ophelia]

I doubt she ever felt like she had to do something / never wanted to do anything because she didnt give a shit.

Not even to save her own skin?

 

[AnOminous]

That said, all sorts of dodgy stuff can be part of a plea deal.

The actual legality of a plea deal barely even matters unless one of the parties to it challenges it.

 

[Nikes_JustDoIt]

Man, Chris is an asshole. If he's openly admitted this imagine what we don't know goes on in their home.

If I am not mistaken, she became abusive towards Chris after Bob's death, and as age caught up to her, it switched. But it was still an abusive situation for both of them Barb would treat Chris as a slave/money boy, and Chris is being an asshole. (Other things)

 

[A-№1]

Is there something Barb could have done at this point?

Probably not if she wanted to keep her chauffeur and tugboat source for the mortgage. We have to remember Barb put herself in this situation over the course of many, many years, with one bad short term decision after another, never looking ahead to the inevitable result.

The actual legality of a plea deal barely even matters unless one of the parties to it challenges it.

Exactly. Luckily Chris isn't sharp enough to make such a challenge, and I don't see Heilberg objecting to anything that contains Chris and keeps him from becoming a problem again in the future. Putting Chris in a tard home through a sketchy plea deal is a win for everyone, including Chris (even though Chris won't see it that way).

 

[Pickle Inspector]

Man, Chris is an asshole. If he's openly admitted this imagine what we don't know goes on in their home.

I agree, I never really thought about it before but that means Barb used to clean Chris’s room at least on occasion and that’s all the thanks she got.

Maybe there’s more to the whole Barb refusing to cook than Chris is letting on, autistic people are pretty infamous for being fussy eaters and can have meltdowns over minor food related issues.

 

[TheShortWaveCerealKiller]

I agree, I never really thought about it before but that means Barb used to clean Chris’s room at least on occasion and that’s all the thanks she got.

Maybe there’s more to the whole Barb refusing to cook than Chris is letting on, autistic people are pretty infamous for being fussy eaters and can have meltdowns over minor food related issues.

Barb confirmed that the story went pretty much exactly as Chris told it, Barb has quietly confirmed a lot of things people thought about Chris and his life that he himself didnt say already. Of course Chris is an unreliable narrator in many things, but at least in his earlier days he would let the truth slip much more often than he does now.

Exactly. Luckily Chris isn't sharp enough to make such a challenge, and I don't see Heilberg objecting to anything that contains Chris and keeps him from becoming a problem again in the future. Putting Chris in a tard home through a sketchy plea deal is a win for everyone, including Chris (even though Chris won't see it that way).

I do wonder how long they'd keep Chris in there, Im sure it has many factors to it but if they keep him in there for say 5 years I wonder what Chris we're going to get coming out of it.

 

[Ophelia]

I do wonder how long they'd keep Chris in there, Im sure it has many factors to it but if they keep him in there for say 5 years I wonder what Chris we're going to get coming out of it.

He could probably leave at any time.

 

[A-№1]

I do wonder how long they'd keep Chris in there, Im sure it has many factors to it but if they keep him in there for say 5 years I wonder what Chris we're going to get coming out of it.

He'll stay in the tard home until he wanders off. Usually this happens when a resident goes off his meds (or returns to some less official ones), but I don't know if Chris is currently taking anything (there's no cure for stupid).

So long as he gets fed, has television, and gets plenty of legos, Chris could remain in a tard home for quite some time, assuming he doesn't come up with some compelling reason to leave. He would whine and complain, but he does that anyways.

 

[Pickle Inspector]

He'll stay in the tard home until he wanders off. Usually this happens when a resident goes off his meds (or returns to some less official ones), but I don't know if Chris is currently taking anything (there's no cure for stupid).

So long as he gets fed, has television, and gets plenty of legos, Chris could remain in a tard home for quite some time, assuming he doesn't come up with some compelling reason to leave. He would whine and complain, but he does that anyways.

Do they have internet?

I’m not sure if he could live without weens regularly larping with him and inflating his ego.

 

[Ophelia]

Do they have internet?

I’m not sure if he could live without weens regularly larping with him and inflating his ego.

He has for almost a year now. Letters notwithstanding.

 

[A-№1]

Do they have internet?

It depends on the particular tard home. Almost all have some sort of internet connection for management and business purposes, but it's not guaranteed the residents will be able to use it as well. Also it's usually pretty shitty internet, like a 100kbps DSL that hasn't been upgraded in 20 years.

I’m not sure if he could live without weens regularly larping with him and inflating his ego.

A lot of places have a single computer for residents to use that always gets monopolized by that one tard. I'm looking forward to the inevitable conflict between him and Chris.