Containment Random Thoughts & Questions

[BT 075]

Been mulling this over for awhile: let's say Mr. T gets a gold Sonichu medallion. Is it awesome by default (because it's Mr. T) or has T jumped the shark?

 

[drtoboggan]

You're right again, Satan.

 

[MasterMan]

So... What happens when the gravy train runs dry for Chris and Barb?

What happens when Chris has no more drawings, no more cars, nor more junk to sell to anyone, and no credit card companies will take them on?

What happens if they are well and truly bankrupt? What is the most likely scenario for both? will they be living out of a shopping cart?

 

[timtommy]

Eh, it's tricky to deal with a hoarder. I don't blame Bob for yielding on the hoarding issue to Barb. The difference between Barb and Bob is that we have proof of Barb's shittiness, and very little direct evidence of Bob's shittiness.

I don't praise Bob and denounce Barb. I just denounce Barb.

The main difference for me, and others I think, is that Bob seemed to give a shit about Chris and his future. Barb does not. He is always going to get more slack for that.

This is a man who moved half way accross the state to spend his retirement years raising a teenage autistic son on his own, so that the son could go to a better school. He may have made some terrible decisions with Chris, but they usually weren't selfish.

So... What happens when the gravy train runs dry for Chris and Barb?

What happens when Chris has no more drawings, no more cars, nor more junk to sell to anyone, and no credit card companies will take them on?

What happens if they are well and truly bankrupt? What is the most likely scenario for both? will they be living out of a shopping cart?

My guess is they will go back to what they were doing before. Liiving fairly shittily month to month on various government benefits.

 

[The Yawning Squirtle]

So... What happens when the gravy train runs dry for Chris and Barb?

What happens when Chris has no more drawings, no more cars, nor more junk to sell to anyone, and no credit card companies will take them on?

What happens if they are well and truly bankrupt? What is the most likely scenario for both? will they be living out of a shopping cart?

I have kind of asked this myself, haven't really gotten a response, so I am going to assume people are not really sure of exactly what is going to happen when that rental runs out, which, to my knowledge, it has.

I think since Chris isn't freaking the heck out about it right now, they've found a way to pay the rent or something, or maybe it was extended.

For all the crap we talk about Chris and Barb, they have been surprisingly resourceful in the face of these endeavors. Maybe Barb has a job or is getting some kind of survivor's benefits that can pay the rent? We don't hear a whole lot about her, and the fact she wanted two running cars in the family may be an indicator that she's been doing something.

That BMW is rather nice imo, it is a rip off but maybe they found a naive collector that just HAD to have it. Far as I know though, its the base model of the Z3 line and not exactly special or rare or anything.

Think if they really hit rock bottom there are two possibilities, A) Some charitable small town people kick in and donate or let them live with them B) People at this point know they are so crazy it's not worth it and they let them live on the streets.

Seeing as I have some experience with the issue, I can say that although Chris has been resourceful lately I don't think he could handle street living. It would tear his body up pretty badly and he would likely be very stupid about it.

Living on the streets requires being in a constant on-the-move state of mind where you are aware of "Move or Die" being the general state of life. You have to be able to find sleeping spaces that protect you from the elements while at the same time the JERKOPS won't come by and kick you out.

I think B is actually pretty unlikely unless Chris manages to alienate even the LGBT community he's been hanging with.

 

[DykesDykesChina]

I currently work at a school of the SOCIALLY AWESOME and COOL type.

What if suddenly a huge fat greasy autistic hand reaches out of the sky and tries to move me around?

 

[Ravenor]

I have kind of asked this myself, haven't really gotten a response, so I am going to assume people are not really sure of exactly what is going to happen when that rental runs out, which, to my knowledge, it has.

I think since Chris isn't freaking the heck out about it right now, they've found a way to pay the rent or something, or maybe it was extended.

For all the crap we talk about Chris and Barb, they have been surprisingly resourceful in the face of these endeavors. Maybe Barb has a job or is getting some kind of survivor's benefits that can pay the rent? We don't hear a whole lot about her, and the fact she wanted two running cars in the family may be an indicator that she's been doing something.

That BMW is rather nice imo, it is a rip off but maybe they found a naive collector that just HAD to have it. Far as I know though, its the base model of the Z3 line and not exactly special or rare or anything.

I think it's been extended, maybe not for long but I doubt they will get more than a 3 month extension as from what I know about home insurance that kind of extension is for things that crop up during refurbishment or rebuilds. Like say the place caught fire because of cause indeterminate and they have to wait while the Fire investigators have to go through the place, OR there is planning considerations that need to be addressed etc.

I think that's why Chris isn't freaking out he has a little longer before he gets to downright begging.
But I doubt Barb is working, to be honest what we know of her she is likely unable to work anymore, she has physical health issues that would preclude it and let's be blunt about it for a second her age.

Think if they really hit rock bottom there are two possibilities, A) Some charitable small town people kick in and donate or let them live with them B) People at this point know they are so crazy it's not worth it and they let them live on the streets.

Seeing as I have some experience with the issue, I can say that although Chris has been resourceful lately I don't think he could handle street living. It would tear his body up pretty badly and he would likely be very stupid about it.

Living on the streets requires being in a constant on-the-move state of mind where you are aware of "Move or Die" being the general state of life. You have to be able to find sleeping spaces that protect you from the elements while at the same time the JERKOPS won't come by and kick you out.

I think B is actually pretty unlikely unless Chris manages to alienate even the LGBT community he's been hanging with.

I think B is more likely, I think Chris's actions are well known in the local area and most people don't want that level of Crazy nextdoor let alone in there house.
From what we know about Chris and his connections to the local LGBT community is he has attended a pride day and likes to think of himself as transgenderd, I doubt he has any real connections to the community other than maybe one or two Facebook contacts who are likely not that close to him.

Having said that we have no evidence of him doing anything to annoy the community and they might be willing to reach out and help a manchild in need.

Thing is I would take no pleasure of the thought of seeing Him an Barb on the streets and I hope it does not happen I hope something happens to keep them of the streets but with everything we know about the Chandlers it's looking more an more unlikely.

 

[The Yawning Squirtle]

I think it's been extended, maybe not for long but I doubt they will get more than a 3 month extension as from what I know about home insurance that kind of extension is for things that crop up during refurbishment or rebuilds. Like say the place caught fire because of cause indeterminate and they have to wait while the Fire investigators have to go through the place, OR there is planning considerations that need to be addressed etc.

I think that's why Chris isn't freaking out he has a little longer before he gets to downright begging.
But I doubt Barb is working, to be honest what we know of her she is likely unable to work anymore, she has physical health issues that would preclude it and let's be blunt about it for a second her age.

I thank you for your response. I am legitimately learning a lot about RL financial smarts from this forum as of late and it's pretty neat. A 3 month extension makes sense, given the circumstances.

Also, good point, I was unaware of Barb's health issues until looking it up on the CWCiki. Though she is an awful person, I sincerely hope she is eating better and taking care of her health, though it is doubtful.

I struggle with similar digestive issues so I know how tough it can be. Without being gross and tmi, basically, you screw up even once and its pain, pain, pain the next few hours. Tends to keep you somewhat in check.

For myself, I'm mostly eating better and exercising about 1.5 hours at least a day.

I think B is more likely, I think Chris's actions are well known in the local area and most people don't want that level of Crazy nextdoor let alone in there house.
From what we know about Chris and his connections to the local LGBT community is he has attended a pride day and likes to think of himself as transgenderd, I doubt he has any real connections to the community other than maybe one or two Facebook contacts who are likely not that close to him.

Having said that we have no evidence of him doing anything to annoy the community and they might be willing to reach out and help a manchild in need.

Thing is I would take no pleasure of the thought of seeing Him an Barb on the streets and I hope it does not happen I hope something happens to keep them of the streets but with everything we know about the Chandlers it's looking more an more unlikely.

The only reason I say B is unlikely is because having rolled with LGBT community, I am aware that they do not like particularly vulnerable persons of their community on the street.

I also live in the sticks myself, and it seems like people rarely let even the most screwed up of people fall through the cracks and become homeless. It's way too harsh in the winter. I do know they will generally ask that you work for the charity though. They are sympathetic and caring, but only to an extent.

Let's face it, Chris is particularly vulnerable and has likely garnered quite a bit of sympathy. Now, whether it lasts is another question entirely.

I had a random thought, what if Chris smoked weed? I think it may come to pass now that he is in the LGBT community, where such a thing is accepted and in my experience, encouraged.

Luckily, the CWCiki answered that one for me:

 

[Kosher Dill]

So... What happens when the gravy train runs dry for Chris and Barb?

The thing is, most of the drains on their gravy are self-inflicted. No matter what happens, Chris and Barb are always going to have their tugboats for the rest of their lives. If they're truly forced to, they can declare bankruptcy, walk away from it all, and start over living an impoverished but stable lifestyle. Not that I expect that to happen.

 

[Tragi-Chan]

*I'm not talking about people who know of his internet reputation taking pictures of him. Although IIRC correctly, I read somewhere that some guy or two called him a "fag" when he was out in public, but that appears to have been an isolated incident. He was also yelled at by a "stereotypical brute male" for going in the women's bathroom once.

The "stereotypical brute male" was probably just a mall cop doing his job. It's difficult to know how much Chris was shouted at, because he always likes to turn everything into a heroic saga where anyone who stops him doing exactly what he wants is some sort of evil monster, possibly a cyborg. I suspect he was probably just given a ticking off.

The CWCki is far too kind to Bob. Bob was a poor parent (his other children wanted little to do with him, and it wasn't Chris that drove them away). He only looks good because Barb is even worse.

Agreed. The thing is, whatever qualities Bob had, everything we know about him suggests that he was a pretty shit parent. His own kids cut off all contact from him, and they seem to be pretty well-adjusted, given that they have successful careers. Cole refused to have anything to do with him (yeah, I know... Cole). And, let's not forget the reason we're all here, that Chris is the way he is. It's beyond a fluke, whatever qualities the guy presented to the outside world, it's clear that as a family man he was a dismal failure.

Barb won't get a similar boost to her reputation because her rep is directly tied to Bob's. When Bob was alive, we knew a bit about Barb's history, but the worst people said about her was that she had some shady history and coddled Chris to an absurd degree. Afterwards, it came to light that she was emotionally abusive, neglectful, selfish and lazy and had let her husband rot away in a bug-infested heap of crap. Since then, she's only got worse. Based on her and Chris' activities and spending, it seems that mother and son are as emotionally retarded as each other, and it's hard not to draw the conclusion that Bob was all that kept things from spiralling completely out of control.

 

[timtommy]

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The only reason I say B is unlikely is because having rolled with LGBT community, I am aware that they do not like particularly vulnerable persons of their community on the street.

I also live in the sticks myself, and it seems like people rarely let even the most screwed up of people fall through the cracks and become homeless. It's way too harsh in the winter. I do know they will generally ask that you work for the charity though. They are sympathetic and caring, but only to an extent.

Let's face it, Chris is particularly vulnerable and has likely garnered quite a bit of sympathy. Now, whether it lasts is another question entirely.

I tend to think he is not screwed to the point of homelessness for a different reason. They both receive substantial monthly government benefits which are sufficient to survive on. These benefits cannot be garnished by creditors.

So they could end up in bankruptcy, lose vehicles, lose credit, etc. But I think they will be able to keep a roof over their heads.

 

[Coldgrip]

What kind of roof though, that's the question.

 

[Marvin]

Agreed. The thing is, whatever qualities Bob had, everything we know about him suggests that he was a pretty shit parent. His own kids cut off all contact from him, and they seem to be pretty well-adjusted, given that they have successful careers.

I don't see the connection. I have broken connections with family, without it being the fault of anyone in particular.

Cole refused to have anything to do with him (yeah, I know... Cole). And, let's not forget the reason we're all here, that Chris is the way he is. It's beyond a fluke, whatever qualities the guy presented to the outside world, it's clear that as a family man he was a dismal failure.

Cole wasn't Bob's kid. And 2 out of 3 of Bob's kids did very well. He was successful with them as a father.

I mean, like I said, we don't have good information on Bob. I wouldn't call him a failure, or even a bad father, without more information.

 

[Holdek]

I mean, like I said, we don't have good information on Bob. I wouldn't call him a failure, or even a bad father, without more information.

Yeah...but he made some really bad mistakes with Chris.

 

[The Yawning Squirtle]

Yeah...but he made some really bad mistakes with Chris.

I was reading this manga recently and it is a story based on true accounts and interviews about raising an autistic child.

It brought me to realize a lot of challenges I had not thought of. Now, the child in the book is probably a bit more low functioning than Chris, but I think an important distinction is the parents in this story come to realize "main streaming" isn't going to work without patience and additional autism specific counseling.

A lot of the story though did outright remind me of Chris. It's given me a lot of material to think about what might have happened under different circumstances.

I had a bit of sympathy for Bob and Barb's situation, but it only really stretched so much. They seemed pretty ignorant and stubborn as far as staying that way to me.

 

[Ravenor]

I think Bob did make mistakes, however non of them alone or in combination could have let to what we have today. I am still of the mindset Bob at least tried to do something with / for Chris while Barb just did noting unless she downright had to.

It was Bob who got him into collage, it was Bob who moved with Chris and it was bob who got him on benefits (well that last one is debatable), barb has done very little apart from a few meaningless things and bullied him. Father of the year he might not have been but in comparison to Barb he did a hell of a lot.

 

[Cotton Puddings]

If Chris doesn't die of the taint piercing,

off-topic in its thread so i'm asking this here

i know body piercings sometimes get infected and chris is not known for good hygiene, but is death by taint taint an actual concern or stupid hyperbole?

 

[Marvin]

off-topic in its thread so i'm asking this here

i know body piercings sometimes get infected and chris is not known for good hygiene, but is death by taint taint an actual concern or stupid hyperbole?

Serious worry. Unless Chris takes it out (and does a good job letting it close up), I don't believe he'll live. Maybe he'll get a serious infection and end up in the hospital, but I'm still leaning towards the first two options.

 

[Stuff and Things]

This is a question for @Marvin.
Well, you've repeated several times on Discussion that the fire on Chris' house played a major part on changing Chris' view on homosexual boys, and while i do believe that Chris changed his mind on that matter (mostly because he can't do jackshit about gay dudes, wheter he likes it or not), i still think that he did it because he doesn't has a full idea of what the LGBT community is, what i mean is that if he manages to understand (keyword: if) what his it means, he can change his mind once again, either by reinforcing his new point of view and being more supportive of the LGBT community, or by going back to his old beliefs about hating 'da homos' and only enjoying the LB*_T* (leaving out the 'G' and only supporting the girls on the 'B' and 'T').

I know i've sperged more than what i needed, but i want to make sure that i am not making up stuff that isn't true.

 

[Marvin]

This is a question for @Marvin.
Well, you've repeated several times on Discussion that the fire on Chris' house played a major part on changing Chris' view on homosexual boys

No, it's more that people have theorized that some outside force has caused Chris to deceptively claim he has changed his view on homosexual men.

That's not the case. The two major influences on Chris recently, in any aspect of his life, whether it be gay men, or his recent tranny shit or his recent car purchase, has only been the fire and Chris himself. If it wasn't one of those two things, it doesn't matter as much.

... i still think that he did it because he doesn't has a full idea of what the LGBT community is, what i mean is that if he manages to understand (keyword: if) what his it means, he can change his mind once again, either by reinforcing his new point of view and being more supportive of the LGBT community, or by going back to his old beliefs about hating 'da homos' and only enjoying the LB*_T* (leaving out the 'G' and only supporting the girls on the 'B' and 'T').

I know i've sperged more than what i needed, but i want to make sure that i am not making up stuff that isn't true.

What the LGBT community is? Lesbians, Gays, Bisexuals, Transgender? What more is there to understand?