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If he only has to demonstrate he can assist in his defense without taking a shit on the floor while declaring himself Jesuschu, or if it’s a more difficult standard to reach.
It's basically that. He has to be connected enough with reality to understand what's going on. He needs to know what the role of the judge is, what the prosecutor does, and what he is charged with and what the possible outcome could be. Also, not to cause a disturbance in court. There are 'legal education' classes he will be attending while he is in the hospital. I believe he can 'learn' the answers to the questions in the competency exam, although he may not understand how any of this applies to him. He has a decent lawyer who may have a good rapport with him and may be able to communicate well with him. Of the cases I have clerked, the defendants who get along with their attornies will fare the best.

If he speaks only when spoken to, does not tard-rage and lets his attorney do the talking, he'll get through this. Whether or not this is what happens is anyone's guess at this part. I'm pretty sure Heilberg (sp?) would rather NOT have him on the stand; it opens up lt kinds of trapdoors.

But also consider that Chris doesn't believe he did anything wrong, and probably thinks that the most serious charge he has was 'borrowing' that money from Barbs' account. He also believes that he is a very smart, special guy, maybe even smarter than all these jerks in the courtroom. I've seen what happens with that, it doesn't go well.

Before anyone asks, they will not bring him to court heavily tranquilized; he will take the meds prescribed for his conditions only, and he will not be "doped up" for the event. While he has an active imagination and for him the lines between him and reality are thin and blurred, I do not feel this is due to psychosis. It's due to him being a tard with a lousy upbringing. There's no prescription for that.
 
It's basically that. He has to be connected enough with reality to understand what's going on. He needs to know what the role of the judge is, what the prosecutor does, and what he is charged with and what the possible outcome could be. Also, not to cause a disturbance in court. There are 'legal education' classes he will be attending while he is in the hospital. I believe he can 'learn' the answers to the questions in the competency exam, although he may not understand how any of this applies to him. He has a decent lawyer who may have a good rapport with him and may be able to communicate well with him. Of the cases I have clerked, the defendants who get along with their attornies will fare the best.

If he speaks only when spoken to, does not tard-rage and lets his attorney do the talking, he'll get through this. Whether or not this is what happens is anyone's guess at this part. I'm pretty sure Heilberg (sp?) would rather NOT have him on the stand; it opens up lt kinds of trapdoors.

But also consider that Chris doesn't believe he did anything wrong, and probably thinks that the most serious charge he has was 'borrowing' that money from Barbs' account. He also believes that he is a very smart, special guy, maybe even smarter than all these jerks in the courtroom. I've seen what happens with that, it doesn't go well.

Before anyone asks, they will not bring him to court heavily tranquilized; he will take the meds prescribed for his conditions only, and he will not be "doped up" for the event. While he has an active imagination and for him the lines between him and reality are thin and blurred, I do not feel this is due to psychosis. It's due to him being a tard with a lousy upbringing. There's no prescription for that.
My whole question is what separates Chris from the average criminal, who will exhaust all avenues available to him to beat the charges. Chris is a simpleton at the very core of his being, yet there seems to be this idea that his lawyer and himself are somehow pulling the wool over the eyes of the law, which for all practical purposes, has been in place in Virginia since the 17th century.

The notion that the Commonwealth of Virginia is spending a lot of resources to get Chris to admit he fucked his mother, sending him to an already short staffed and low funded mental health system that is already heavily taxed by your average criminal, which must be Steven Hawking level clever beyond Chris's current experience just seems out of place. The only thing I can think of is that he just went so out of control that no male lawyer or male judge, etc... can get through to him. The man's had 40 years of skating the system and I can't imagine his lawyer pleading with him to "just say you did it", which seems to be the crux of the legal arguments of why Chris is where he is.

To the legal eagle here, how exactly has Chris's case blown the lid of any other case they've been purvey to? Is there going to be a "Chris Chan" defense coming up in future legal battles that will make it into the Legal Intelligencer? Did the Greene County Tard just play the legal system like a cheap harmoica that even Heilberg can't figure out and has to play the loophole game with?
 
It shows cognizance of what is going on and what he's accused of. If he mean what if he refused to enter a plea, then that would depend why. If he thinks it means he can't be sent to trial, that's at least within the realm of understanding a legal position. A plea of not guilty would be entered in that case. If he thinks he's actually on Mars being tormented by demons, then he still isn't competent.

There's also a point where they have to decide whether he's malingering. That will probably be in a report that we will likely never see, unless Chris later presents it to prove he's sane or some other crazy Chris thing. I think all we'll ever know if he gets out of jail this year will be from his own mouth.

I think it's probably a combination of a near-complete misunderstanding of how court works (as evidenced by thinking he can go get his toys before proceeding), and magical thinking in the court.

It's perfectly normal for defendants to not understand their case initially, as a lot of peoples perception of court comes from mass media. Usually though, their attorney and the judge can explain what is going on well enough. The defendant is only required to understand what is necessary for their specific case.

For instance Chris could believe that the judge is illegitimate, because only Magi-chan is entitled to decide the case, but as long as he understood the procedure of what was happening, he'd still be competent.

On the other hand if he believed that Christine was actually in CWCville in C-197 and Sonichu was inhabiting his body in Dimension 1218, he might be unable to competently assist in his defense.

The standard for this was set in Dusky v United States, which involved a defendant with schizophrenia.

This precedent gives Chris the right to a competency evaluation. From near as I can tell, the court agreed that Chris failed the competency evaluation, and is now in a six month period where they attempt to restore his competency. The prosecution probably did not put in much of an effort to contest this, as it means Chris will remain in custody for 1-5 years, which is what he'd probably receive in a sentence anyway. The prosecutor isn't really under any pressure from the public to secure a conviction quickly, as it's not constantly in the media, and he can just work on prosecuting other cases for the next six months.

Consolvo is up for re-election in 2023. It's conceivable his opponent could bring up Chris' case, and he could feel pressured to bring the case to an end before then, but that's plenty of time to send Chris back to the hospital for another 6 month stint and reevaluate him in late January if need be.

The notion that the Commonwealth of Virginia is spending a lot of resources to get Chris to admit he fucked his mother, sending him to an already short staffed and low funded mental health system that is already heavily taxed by your average criminal, which must be Steven Hawking level clever beyond Chris's current experience just seems out of place. The only thing I can think of is that he just went so out of control that no male lawyer or male judge, etc... can get through to him. The man's had 40 years of skating the system and I can't imagine his lawyer pleading with him to "just say you did it", which seems to be the crux of the legal arguments of why Chris is where he is.

To the legal eagle here, how exactly has Chris's case blown the lid of any other case they've been purvey to? Is there going to be a "Chris Chan" defense coming up in future legal battles that will make it into the Legal Intelligencer? Did the Greene County Tard just play the legal system like a cheap harmoica that even Heilberg can't figure out and has to play the loophole game with?

There are other tards who have been in Chris' exact position. He's not that unusual -- the only thing special about Chris is his notoriety for how interesting his delusions are, and how much he shares them.

If Terry Davis were in court for something similar, instead of being a meat crayon, something similar would probably be happening to him.
 
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Sounds like a ween to me. To be honest, who gives a shit about how Chris smells? He dresses like that and fucks his geriatric mother (quite possibly without consent). His BO's kinda minor compared to that shit.
 
Sounds like a ween to me. To be honest, who gives a shit about how Chris smells? He dresses like that and fucks his geriatric mother (quite possibly without consent). His BO's kinda minor compared to that shit.
The fact that those pictures were taken like 2-3 days before shit hit the fan is harrowing. Like, more so than usual when viewing Chris.
 
Also, not to cause a disturbance in court.
Just deliberately creating a disturbance doesn't count, though. In rare situations, when someone is completely tarding out just to disrupt the proceedings, they still have a right to be "present" at trial, but in some cases, they're restrained to stop the outbursts or put in a soundproof room where they can watch on CCTV and chimp out to their heart's content.

This is very rare, though, and only when a defendant's conduct is such that he's essentially waived the right to be there.

That doesn't mean they aren't careful to make sure they aren't trying an actually incompetent defendant. Brian David Mitchell is the guy I usually use as an example. He repeatedly disrupted proceedings by loudly singing and acting crazy and even though this was almost certainly a pure :ruse: they put the case off for years before finally declaring him sane enough for trial.
 
Weird question, but I just spoke to Cyraxx, who received a letter from Chris, and he just sent me the photos of said letter. Where should I post them?
 
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Posting these here. He mentioned someone called 'Max' giving him Cyraxx's address, as well as new religious delusions. Could be a troll; listed address is his house.
 

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@The American Hedgehog

Posting these here. He mentioned someone called 'Max' giving him Cyraxx's address, as well as new religious delusions. Could be a troll; listed address is his house.
Yeah that looks fake in both handwriting (That handwriting looks too straight, the prison letters have his words leaning forward) and content wise too, I can’t recall a time Chris said curse words like ‘fucking’ in his writings and things like the antisemitism and HELLspital wordplay seems forced.

Could be wrong though.
 
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Yeah that looks fake in both handwriting (That handwriting looks too straight while the prison letters have the words leaning forward) and content wise too, I can’t recall a time Chris said curse words like ‘fucking’ in his writings and things like the antisemitism and HELLspital wordplay seems forced.

Could be wrong though.
He did say 'shit' in previous letters, so who knows. Also, Chris began speaking with 'thee' and 'thou' after being stuck with the King James Bible. If he's around other crazy people, their stuff could begin to rub off on him.
 
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