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Barb will let Chris back in the house within a week upon his release. Anyone agree?
Yes. I mean, she didn't press charges on Chris, and she's the only one who'll put up with Chris' BS (she may not be aware that Chris will continue to 'heal' her when he comes back). Now that Harriet an Tom are in the picture, I assume it didn't take long to convince Barb to cut ties with Chris after years of notoriety and spergery.
 
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Is Chris's oeuvre defensible as outsider art ala Henry Darger or Daniel Johnston? Imagine if years after he dies he gains respect as a fine artist and gets a MOMA exhibition.
 
Is Chris's oeuvre defensible as outsider art ala Henry Darger or Daniel Johnston? Imagine if years after he dies he gains respect as a fine artist and gets a MOMA exhibition.
No, but there are niche sub genres of outsider art Chris absolute qualifies for. Someone like Darger has a deeply personal and unique vision in their creation. Sonichu is interesting for the exact opposite reasons, in my opinion

I genuinely think that Sonichu has real artistic value but it’s not any credit to Chris. He’s so smooth brained that he regurgitates the background noise of culture with almost no personal, critical input. Watching the varying mass media objects collide in Chris’s brain definitely tells something about American life and culture in the 2000’s

In typing that, I did realize something kinda stunning. Chris’s drawings and fantasies are remarkably devoid of themes of 9/11 or terrorism. Those things were extremely pervasive in mainstream media and culture but they very rarely make it into Sonichu
 
Does anyone think sometime in the future people will compare Sonichu and Chris to artists like Jasper Johns, R. Crumb or Blaster Al Ackerman? All this talk about outsider art and what qualifies as such makes me wonder if Chris will be seen as a brilliant ahead of his time visionary.

Christ I hope people are smarter than that…
 
Barb will let Chris back in the house within a week upon his release. Anyone agree?
The thing is, we don’t know how injured Barb is. If Harriet is taking care of her and is in charge, Chris is screwed (and not in the way he wants to be).

If Barb is running her life, she might let Chris back into it.

In typing that, I did realize something kinda stunning. Chris’s drawings and fantasies are remarkably devoid of themes of 9/11 or terrorism. Those things were extremely pervasive in mainstream media and culture but they very rarely make it into Sonichu
Sonichu is supposed to be his wish fulfillment on paper where he can look at it. 9/11 and the war don’t fit in.
 
In typing that, I did realize something kinda stunning. Chris’s drawings and fantasies are remarkably devoid of themes of 9/11 or terrorism. Those things were extremely pervasive in mainstream media and culture but they very rarely make it into Sonichu

Sonichu is supposed to be his wish fulfillment on paper where he can look at it. 9/11 and the war don’t fit in.

It's because to Chris it is unprocessable, there was no happy colourful media that would let him frame it in a way he could understand so it almost passed him by, it's like doing a simple conjuring trick to a toddler they can't quite understand what's going on and will only laugh when the grownups do.

He knows that there is a point in history of September 11th 2001 where something happened that people are upset about and that people died but he can't understand why people are upset and nothing he's exposed was geared towards explaining it in a way he can process, in a very fundamental way the event passed him by.

People tend to forget Chris isn't just dumb, he's not just retarded he is ignorant of things that he can't adapt into a way he can internalise and doesn't see a need to do that because it's not impacting him, think about it this way if we had Chris living in NYC on 9/11 he would complain that he had to walk home from school rather than taking the bus or subway because of the terrorists and not because two iconic buildings had just collapsed and 3000+ people had died in the largest act of terrorism America had ever faced. The 3000 people getting killed wouldn't have been what effected him it would be that he had to walk in the hot weather.

Unless he's given a way to frame it in a short period of time after it's happened it will have no way of sinking into his mind that something important or fundamental has happened that he should be aware of.

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Sonichu is supposed to be his wish fulfillment on paper where he can look at it. 9/11 and the war don’t fit in.

It's because to Chris it is unprocessable, there was no happy colourful media that would let him frame it in a way he could understand him so it almost passed him by, it's like doing a simple conjuring trick to a toddler they can't quite understand what's going on and will only laugh when the grownups do.

He knows that there is a point in history of September 11th 2001 where something happened that people are upset about and that people died but he can't understand why people are upset and nothing he's exposed was geared towards explaining it in a way he can process, in a very fundamental way the event passed him by.

Chris people tend to forget Chris isn't just dumb, he's not just retarded he is ignorant of things that he can't adapt into a way he can internalise and doesnt see a need to do that because it's not impacting him, think about it this way if we had Chris living in NYC on 9/11 he would complain that he had to walk home from school rather than taking the bus or subway because of the terrorists and not because two iconic buildings had just collapsed and 3000+ people had died in the largest act of terrorism America had ever faced. The 3000 people getting killed wouldn't have been what effected him it would be that he had to walk in the hot weather.

Unless get's given a way to frame it in a short period of time after it's happened it will have no way of sinking into his mind that something important or fundamental has happened that he should be aware of
I think you're both right, but it still surprises me that there's no real influence at all. I'm not expecting something like the viral Turning Red review where some Youtuber complains that it isn't realistic because the characters aren't talking about 9/11.

Instead, I'm surprised the trolls or other enemies aren't framed like 'terrorists' that were the go-to villain of the mid 2000's. There's something a little paradoxical about it; he's so passive in his consumption that he puts ads in his fantasies but there's also so few influences from contemporary events. It's not surprising that Chris wouldn't directly address serious topics, but I think this omission reveals just how extensively he hides from those ideas.

I don't have one full formed, but there's absolutely an interesting thesis you could develop around Chris's first real engagement with the news being his opposition to "Pmurt." Think of all of the things Chris didn't feel compelled to comment on before Trump broke into his understanding and fantasies. Certainly feels like evidence of politics devolving over time where Hillary v Trump can exist comfortably in Chris's mind next to MLW as a cartoon witch and Pokémon.

Obviously this and any other critical analysis of Sonichu is a stretch but I still find it fun to think about
 
Does anyone think sometime in the future people will compare Sonichu and Chris to artists like Jasper Johns, R. Crumb or Blaster Al Ackerman? All this talk about outsider art and what qualifies as such makes me wonder if Chris will be seen as a brilliant ahead of his time visionary.

Christ I hope people are smarter than that…
IIRC, it was posted here that someone found a mural of sonichu at an Australian café, and a woman got a tattoo of it. It's gradually becoming that way. The last thing Chris needs is an ego boost.
 
You were actually willing to consider that possibility; that's a good thing.

That will make people more vigilant so that in the possibility that does happen we can be ready to call the cops again.
There's absolutely no way weens will let that happen, I bet attention seekers like Ethan Ralph might even be willing to camp out in their car around near 14 Branchland Court when Chris gets released for the opportunity to livestream Chris getting arrested again or film him trying to get back into his house.
I don't have one full formed, but there's absolutely an interesting thesis you could develop around Chris's first real engagement with the news being his opposition to "Pmurt." Think of all of the things Chris didn't feel compelled to comment on before Trump broke into his understanding and fantasies. Certainly feels like evidence of politics devolving over time where Hillary v Trump can exist comfortably in Chris's mind next to MLW as a cartoon witch and Pokémon.
I'd say that's because there was constant media refrences to Trump (Even My Little Pony refrenced Trump) and the news kept referring to him like he was an over the top villian so it's easy for Chris to think 'Hmm yes, I will be part of getting the first woman elected over the big bad orange man!' (There's also the whole Lisa Simpson vs Trump thing too).

The only real reference to 9/11 would be either watching action films or seeing other terrorist events on the news and he'd probally think 'Mmyeah that's bad but anyway..' or something like that since like @Phalanges Mycologist said it didn't have any immediate direct effect on him.
 
Instead, I'm surprised the trolls or other enemies aren't framed like 'terrorists' that were the go-to villain of the mid 2000's. There's something a little paradoxical about it; he's so passive in his consumption that he puts ads in his fantasies but there's also so few influences from contemporary events. It's not surprising that Chris wouldn't directly address serious topics, but I think this omission reveals just how extensively he hides from those ideas.
The media Chris usually consooms don't usually call their bad guys terrorists because they don't want to scare kids or get angry letters from parents so they just call the bad guys something like a supervillain. Even if he did hear about terrorism from Family Guy or the Simpsons those shows only use terrorists or terrorism as a joke or social commentary in an episode, not as a threatening villain. Mary Lee Walsh and the PVCC are set up, and treated like a Legion of Doom or cartoon supervillain because thats what Chris's frame of reference is. Had he been watching police shows or action movies at the time then maybe he would have called the PVCC terrorists.

I don't have one full formed, but there's absolutely an interesting thesis you could develop around Chris's first real engagement with the news being his opposition to "Pmurt." Think of all of the things Chris didn't feel compelled to comment on before Trump broke into his understanding and fantasies. Certainly feels like evidence of politics devolving over time where Hillary v Trump can exist comfortably in Chris's mind next to MLW as a cartoon witch and Pokémon.

Obviously this and any other critical analysis of Sonichu is a stretch but I still find it fun to think about
I'd say that's because there was constant media refrences to Trump (Even My Little Pony refrenced Trump) and the news kept referring to him like he was an over the top villian so it's easy for Chris to think 'Hmm yes, I will be part of getting the first woman elected over the big bad orange man!' (There's also the whole Lisa Simpson vs Trump thing too).

The only real reference to 9/11 would be either watching action films or seeing other terrorist events on the news and he'd probally think 'Mmyeah that's bad but anyway..' or something like that since like @Phalanges Mycologist said it didn't have any immediate direct effect on him.
Another thing to think about is who Chris was associating with at the time. When he was really anti-Pmurt he was associating with the local LGBT crowd who probably always kept in his mind that "Angry Orange Man bad", and he was following tons of LGBT news sources that were all anti-Trump. Everything in his world was pushing an anti-Trump message and gave Chris motivation to try and work his voodoo magic on him with Legos and Transformers. Once Chris fell under the influence of the Idea Guys and left the real world behind, his interests shifted away from real world politics involving LGBT rights and immigration to protecting CWCville from ADFs Nazi army and a laser cannon on the moon. After that he was spending all his time with enablers role-playing with him or at cons where people were talking about cartoons and games, not how bad the President was and he stopped caring for the most part because everything was talking about him and his imaginary world.
 
There's absolutely no way weens will let that happen, I bet attention seekers like Ethan Ralph might even be willing to camp out in their car around near 14 Branchland Court when Chris gets released for the opportunity to livestream Chris getting arrested again or film him trying to get back into his house.

I'd say that's because there was constant media refrences to Trump (Even My Little Pony refrenced Trump) and the news kept referring to him like he was an over the top villian so it's easy for Chris to think 'Hmm yes, I will be part of getting the first woman elected over the big bad orange man!' (There's also the whole Lisa Simpson vs Trump thing too).

The only real reference to 9/11 would be either watching action films or seeing other terrorist events on the news and he'd probally think 'Mmyeah that's bad but anyway..' or something like that since like @Phalanges Mycologist said it didn't have any immediate direct effect on him.

The media Chris usually consooms don't usually call their bad guys terrorists because they don't want to scare kids or get angry letters from parents so they just call the bad guys something like a supervillain. Even if he did hear about terrorism from Family Guy or the Simpsons those shows only use terrorists or terrorism as a joke or social commentary in an episode, not as a threatening villain. Mary Lee Walsh and the PVCC are set up, and treated like a Legion of Doom or cartoon supervillain because thats what Chris's frame of reference is. Had he been watching police shows or action movies at the time then maybe he would have called the PVCC terrorists.
Good points. It does go against my main hypothesis about Sonichu that you point out Chris is more selective about what makes it into the comics and what doesn't. He Consooms indiscriminately but only a narrow range of children's properties make it into the way he tells his life's story. It's not as much passive regurgitation as I suggested.

I still find the lack of terrorism of the mid-2000's in general interesting though. True, kids shows didn't fight the Taliban, but the never fought Nazis either and those themes made it into the comics as what a villain is like. The Jerkops have fascist police vibes because that's just convenient evil shorthand. He knows Hitler is good short hand too, even referencing Disney propaganda short Der Fuhrer's Face. The Simpsons, South Park, Family Guy, and other media products would use terrorists as similar shorthand even if it was just to make a joke. Chris consoomed a lot of media that wanted him to see terrorists as the go-to evil but it didn't stick for some reason.

If I can pointlessly speculate, I'm going to guess it's because the threat of a terrorist is to society, not really to the individual which would possibly explain the disconnect.
 
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Is Chris's oeuvre defensible as outsider art ala Henry Darger or Daniel Johnston? Imagine if years after he dies he gains respect as a fine artist and gets a MOMA exhibition.
The problem is both of those artists had actual talent and while strange, their work has quality to it, and that's even when Johnston was flat out batshit crazy much of the time. He even once crashed his father's plane while riding in it by grabbing the keys out of the ignition and throwing them out the window.
 
You were actually willing to consider that possibility; that's a good thing.

That will make people more vigilant so that in the possibility that does happen we can be ready to call the cops again.
I think a lot of people are considering it, including Aunt Harriet.

I still find the lack of terrorism of the mid-2000's in general interesting though. True, kids shows didn't fight the Taliban, but the never fought Nazis either and those themes made it into the comics as what a villain is like.
It was a very different time. The Nazis and Friends vs America and the Good Guys black and white narrative was not used by the media when it came to 9/11 for lots of reasons, including justifiable fears about hate crimes against ordinary US Muslims. During WWII, Japanese Americans were put into camps. We were not going to do that again. I remember comics artists were talking about doing a Batman comic about him fighting the Taliban, but everyone except Frank Miller decided it wouldn’t work. Google “Holy Terror” to see how that turned out.

There is a lot more to this, but basically our media decided not to use Islamofascists as pop culture villains, so it didn’t infiltrate Chris’s brain. He did get the memo when they chose Orange Man for that role.

He even once crashed his father's plane while riding in it by grabbing the keys out of the ignition and throwing them out the window.
I need to read more about this guy cause that’s a great story. I wonder if Chris is stupid enough to do that.
 
I don't believe for a minute barb tried to kill herself when she got in that accident. If barb really wanted to end it all and be done with this life. That van would have been driven headfirst into the grill of that truck and they would have been scraping her remains off the asphalt with a shovel.

The van was struck in the side because of a failure to yield to the truck and while barbs injuries were severe, especially for someone her age. She more or less lived with only a neckbrace, a cast and moving violation charges to show for it.
 
The problem is both of those artists had actual talent and while strange, their work has quality to it, and that's even when Johnston was flat out batshit crazy much of the time. He even once crashed his father's plane while riding in it by grabbing the keys out of the ignition and throwing them out the window.
I see you also saw his documentary, yes Johnston was a real 1, he also tried to kill his manager with a pipe. He was schizophrenic, they characterize him as bipolar in the documentary and his family refuse to even admit it but that's why he was insane.
 
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