Containment Random Thoughts & Questions

[Marvin]

If Chris believes Cwcville really exists in another dimension and everything that happens in his comic book happens there, then all he has to do is write a comic where the 'chus open a portal to our dimension in irl Chris's living room. If a portal actually opens up in his living room then it proves he's right. If it doesn't then it proves he's wrong.

Nah, see, Chris doesn't believe his drawings control cwcville, but rather that his drawings document what is happening in cwcville. He wouldn't think he's controlling what's happening there. He'd think he's basically reporting fake news on what's happening in cwcville.

 

[BigTubboWithLittleChina]

And yet he portrays himself as the supreme overlord of the place, but acknowledges that he has no influence over it at all. Ironic. Not disagreeing with you though, Marvin.

 

[Trilby]

And yet he portrays himself as the supreme overlord of the place, but acknowledges that he has no influence over it at all. Ironic. Not disagreeing with you though, Marvin.

It is ironic in some ways.

 

[io02]

I wonder now if CWC just says "errypony" IRL without thinking. And randomly brings up fictional characters as if they were real people.

 

[BigTubboWithLittleChina]

Yeah. Specifically mentioning Applejack because he happens to have said 'freckles'...the boy ain't right.

 

[Done]

PREFACE: This post was originally written for the Gingers video thread, I am replying to it here because the post got bigger in scope and I felt it became a better fit in here.

Also, I love how whenever he describes what manner of creature he is, he always leads with "lesbian" just to make SURE nobody ever thinks he's a gay man.

This is possibly the biggest point in favor of a possible Classic Chris return.. I realize that there are points against it, but that is a different discussion.

To me, he is one of the more unique transpeople that we discuss in this forum, you can't really call him a transtrender, because he is somewhat trying to transition, usually using hilarious methods like rubbing oestrogel or eating plums, and to my admittedly small understanding, he is not dysphoric enough to be called a "real" transperson, because he still wants to keep his junk, which could mean that he still wants to have a way back, so to speak.

Contrary to the huge ego he presents to the outside world, IMO, Chris likely has intense self-hate, and one of the ways it manifests is in him fixating a lot on his gender, this is likely a big part of what led to his transition, of course there are reasons for this self-hate, here's what I think they are:

• We 1st have to consider that this is an autistic manchild with no male rolemodels nor male friends, and whose schoolyard bullies, trolls & most of his perceived oppressors (Michael Snyder, Jerkops..etc.) were most likely males, so what his autistic mind picks up from all this is that Male = Bad, this obviously runs directly against his actual gender, which creates a contradiction in his mind: "If all males are bad, and I am a good person*, then why am I male?".
• Chris has Autism, worse yet, Chris has untreated autism, which means that he doesn't understand how autism affects him nor how it makes him different from the normies, and his ego was never humbled by his parents, nor by continued interaction with the outside world. This makes it extra painful to his ego when he gets trolled, or when he compares his life to his other peers**, because he still doesn't understand exactly how his autism affected his judgements and in turn, his life. It probably hurts him more now that he realizes the time he has to find Barb 2.0 is dwindling fast.
  
• Despite his denials and his facial recognition issue making them plausible, Chris knows that he is a fat fuck ***, his recent admission post the Jessica-Breakup confirms it.. He also knows that he is unhygienic, and while he steadfastly denies it to others, he can't escape from himself, he can't stop comparing himself to all the jerks who are married and/or contented with their lives.

* All people fundamentally think they are good unless they are told otherwise, hence the assumption, and Chris clearly has no common sense nor deep friendships with people that can tell him otherwise.. Plus, Chris portrays himself as the good guy in all his comics.

** Chris should probably be thankful that the reunion he so desperately wanted didn't work out, the immediately-graspable contrast between him and virtually every self-sufficient male at the reunion would've crushed his spirits completely.

*** Chris doesn't need to look in the mirror or recognize his face to know that he is fat, he knows from his shirt size, his waist size..etc.

 

[Marvin]

To me, he is one of the more unique transpeople that we discuss in this forum, you can't really call him a transtrender, because he is somewhat trying to transition, usually using hilarious methods like rubbing oestrogel or eating plums, and to my admittedly small understanding, he is not dysphoric enough to be called a "real" transperson, because he still wants to keep his junk, which could mean that he still wants to have a way back, so to speak.

This is inaccurate. Chris passionately hates his penis and wants it lopped off. Remember the taintgina?

 

[Tragi-Chan]

PREFACE: This post was originally written for the Gingers video thread, I am replying to it here because the post got bigger in scope and I felt it became a better fit in here.

This is possibly the biggest point in favor of a possible Classic Chris return.. I realize that there are points against it, but that is a different discussion.

To me, he is one of the more unique transpeople that we discuss in this forum, you can't really call him a transtrender, because he is somewhat trying to transition, usually using hilarious methods like rubbing oestrogel or eating plums, and to my admittedly small understanding, he is not dysphoric enough to be called a "real" transperson, because he still wants to keep his junk, which could mean that he still wants to have a way back, so to speak.

I find Chris' transness interesting, in that most of the troons on here are either fetishists or lost people desperately trying to find somewhere they fit in, or both. I think Chris has elements of both, but he does seem to genuinely want to be a woman. I'm not saying he has genuine dysphoria, because he has this very stereotypical, shallow view of gender thanks to the 'tism. But the issues he has now have clearly been in place for a long time.

I think his transition is a kind of "grass is greener on the other side" thing. He hates men, he can't meet the stereotypes of manhood, so he thinks becoming a woman will mean he no longer has to work to better himself.

 

[Done]

I find Chris' transness interesting, in that most of the troons on here are either fetishists or lost people desperately trying to find somewhere they fit in, or both. I think Chris has elements of both, but he does seem to genuinely want to be a woman. I'm not saying he has genuine dysphoria, because he has this very stereotypical, shallow view of gender thanks to the 'tism. But the issues he has now have clearly been in place for a long time.

I think his transition is a kind of "grass is greener on the other side" thing. He hates men, he can't meet the stereotypes of manhood, so he thinks becoming a woman will mean he no longer has to work to better himself.

This is why I think he may eventually go back to being some variant of Classic Chris, what if he at some point understand why the grass wasn't as green as he wanted it to be? What if he realizes that it had affected his sweetheart search negatively?

I find it fascinating that Chris's very idiotic, unlikely existence creates a lot of thought-provoking discussions, is pretty much his only non-tugboat income, and is in itself far more valuable to the world than maybe anything he is willing to consciously offer?

 

[dj turnip]

This may have already been asked, but how would this have gone down if Bob was alive? I know it's a stretch to think Christine would be openly "transwoman" with him alive, but..

 

[Done]

This may have already been asked, but how would this have gone down if Bob was alive? I know it's a stretch to think Christine would be openly "transwoman" with him alive, but..

I don't think he would've been able to completely stop it.. He was probably very weak and at the end of his life.. So you're looking at the same situation delayed by a couple of years..

 

[ZehnBoat]

This is why I think he may eventually go back to being some variant of Classic Chris, what if he at some point understand why the grass wasn't as green as he wanted it to be? What if he realizes that it had affected his sweetheart search negatively?

it's going to take a lot to get chris to drop the tranny act
not a lot in terms of what needs to be done, but in terms of how much effort it would take

basically the only ways i can think of chris dropping his want of being a woman is
1. he stops with the stupid idea that women are pure innocent creatures that love to shop and gossip. showing him that women too can do horrible things like trolling without being forced into doing such things. showing him that not all women hang out in malls talking about their latest tribbing session (basically impossible because anything that doesn't fit his world view will be handwaved with "da brute males are lying")
2. chris actually has a sex change and realizes it's not all rainbows and butterflies (this might kill him in the end)
3.have a long deep conversation on what being a woman is. and pointing out what women do that chris doesn't really do (and such things will be excused with "muh lesbian soul" or "I felt this in muh alternate world")

 

[Done]

I was listening to some tracks by The Darkness (UK Rock band), and a lot of them are just, weirdly very applicable to Chris:

Spoiler: The Darkness - Get Your Hands Off My Woman

"Get Your Hands Off My Woman"

You are drunk and you are surly
In Latino lover mode
We all know what's on your agenda
We've broken the code

I've got no right to lay claim to her frame
She's not my possession
You cunt.

Get your hands off my woman motherfucker
Get your hands off my woman motherfucker

Octoped, you've got six hands too many
And you can't keep them to yourself
You're too fat and too old to marry
So they left you on the shelf

I've got no right to lay claim to her frame
But you soiled my obsession
You cunt.

Get your hands off my woman motherfucker
Get your hands off my woman motherfucker
Get your hands off my woman motherfucker
Get your hands off my woman motherfucker
Ow!
Get your hands off my woman motherfucker
Get your hands off my woman motherfucker

Spoiler: The Darkness - Bald

"Bald"

It would appear that male pattern
baldness has set in
his hair, at an alarming pace
running away from his face
he's losing his virility
and now his masculinity
has been compromised
and his libido down-sized

Not for me, not for me, not for me, uh-uh
not for me, not for me, heaven forbid
it's not for me you understand

Bald, slap headed and hairless
bald he is destined to be
bald, well tonight thank God it's him instead of me.

From what I have been reading
his scalp needs kneading
to stimulate each follicle
and reverse this diabolical
condition that's afflicted he
for years and has cruelly
repulsed each potential mate
and left him with a balding pate

Not for me, not for me, not for me, uh-uh
not for me, not for me, heaven forbid
it's not for me you understand

Bald, slap headed and hairless
bald he is destined to be
bald, well tonight thank God it's him instead of me.

Sock it to me baby, yeah!

Not for me, not for me, not for me, uh-uh
not for me, not for me, heaven forbid
it's not for me you understand

Not for me, not for me, not for me, uh-uh
not for me, not for me, heaven forbid
it's not for me you understand

Bald, slap headed and hairless
bald he is destined to be
bald, well tonight thank God it's him instead of me.
Thank God!

Bald, slap headed and hairless
bald he is destined to be
bald, well tonight thank God it's him instead of me.
How?

Creepily enough, they have a track featuring an Ian (Brandon?) Anderson, and it's the most descriptive of his mind state & life right now:

Spoiler: The Darkness - Cannonball (Feat. Ian Anderson)

"Cannonball"
(feat. Ian Anderson)

I see the girl that I've always adored
A body like that deserves some kind of award
I imagine her naked with a towel in my lap
My own telekinesis (something about a book in a strap?)

I'm tired of sleeping with a broken heart
Gotta get out and got to make a brand new start.

Cannonball. Cannonballin'
Cannonball. Gonna get you wet,
Wetter than a waterfall.

Cannonball has got it's hooks in me
Do it at every opportunity
Much more fun and less appropriate
I search the land for the ultimate
(and failing)

Oh preacher, teach a man at risk of demise
Evil princess... put tears in my eyes

Cannonball. Cannonballin'
Cannonball. Gonna get you wet,
Wetter than a waterfall.

How dare you...

Cannonball. Cannonballin'
Cannonball. Gonna get you wet,
Wetter than a waterfall.

Cannonball. Cannonballin'
Cannonball. Gonna get you wet,
Wetter than a waterfall.

.. Holy fuck.

 

[Kecleon]

Chris got a whole verse in a song in /v/ The Musical V (2:06 onwards). It's in a parody of Guilty Conscience:

Normally that would be of minor note - there were already two songs in the third album - one about the incident, and one about the hearing.

...buuuut there's a theory going around that this song was written, co-performed, and anonymously submitted by Lin-Manuel Miranda, who you'd probably know as the writer of Hamilton. It's been pitch shifted a semitone down, but the style and voice apparently are a close match, and he's a big gamer? He plays 'Emanon''s part.

Spoiler: Lyrics to the relevant section

[announcer]
Meet Chris, a thirty-four year old trainwreck of an autist.
After parking his tug boat and taking his vitamins, he walks in the door of his local fucking Gamestop to discover that they've changed his favourite character, very slightly.

[Dr. Red]
Alright calm down, relax, don't get a rag on,

[Emanon]
Fuck that shit, these cunts are trying to change the canon,
While you ain't looking they go and turn Sonic's arms blue,
FUCK making a vid, BOMB THEIR FUCKING HQ

[Dr. Red]
Wait! What if there's an explanation for this m8?

[Emanon]
What? He tripped? Fell? Landed in some paint?!

[Dr. Red]
Alright /v/, maybe he's right C
But think about Sonichu before you go crazy

[Emanon]
Okay! Thought about it, want to deface them?
Hit 'em with your car, slice your gooch up and then mace 'em?
That's what I'd do, be smart, don't be a retard
You gonna listen to someone who paid for us to make Gilda Mars?!

[Dr. Red]
What'chu say?

[Emanon]
What's wrong? Didn't think I'd remember?

[Dr. Red]
I'ma kill you motherfucker!

[Emanon]
Uhhh-aahh! Temper temper!
Mr. le, Mr. copy and paste,
Mr. maymay stole 'em straight outta 4chan, upvote my gay page,
How in the fuck you gonna tell this spas not to be violent?

[Dr. Red]
'cause it's wrong to manipulate him for amusement
Don't just deface that... aw fuck it, /v/'s right,
Take 'em down Chris, where's your mace at?

 

[Tragi-Chan]

This may have already been asked, but how would this have gone down if Bob was alive? I know it's a stretch to think Christine would be openly "transwoman" with him alive, but..

He was cross-dressing while Bob was alive, so I doubt things would be much different. Barb has been as opposed to it as Bob, but that didn't stop Chris. It's interesting that in Chris' retelling of his coming out, Bob is the one who's opposed to it while Barb is just a little bewildered, as opposed to the emotionally-blackmailing, physically-abusive harpy she was.

it's going to take a lot to get chris to drop the tranny act
not a lot in terms of what needs to be done, but in terms of how much effort it would take

basically the only ways i can think of chris dropping his want of being a woman is
1. he stops with the stupid idea that women are pure innocent creatures that love to shop and gossip. showing him that women too can do horrible things like trolling without being forced into doing such things. showing him that not all women hang out in malls talking about their latest tribbing session (basically impossible because anything that doesn't fit his world view will be handwaved with "da brute males are lying")
2. chris actually has a sex change and realizes it's not all rainbows and butterflies (this might kill him in the end)
3.have a long deep conversation on what being a woman is. and pointing out what women do that chris doesn't really do (and such things will be excused with "muh lesbian soul" or "I felt this in muh alternate world")

The only thing that would get him to revert to presenting as male would be if being a woman became more effort than being a man. When Chris has his heart set on something, it takes some really unpleasant and direct consequence, e.g. getting arrested, to change his mind.

 

[Nacho Man Randy Salsa]

Why would anyone want him to drop the tomgirl act and go back to classic Chris?

 

[The Fool]

This is inaccurate. Chris passionately hates his penis and wants it lopped off. Remember the taintgina?

I don't know about that. Also recall how he toted his "damn near seven-incher" to any potential lesbian sweethearts as a "bonus". We both acknowledge Chris doesn't have physical dysphoria, so that means he knows his dick belongs on him just like any body part. We also have to take into account that it's a source of pleasure for him, so he can't hate it that much.
He says he wants to get rid of his dick, but he's just saying that like a child says they want a new toy, or to be a dinosaur. He knows he doesn't really want to get rid it, it's just another lie to make himself feel better. Or rather, just something he never actually puts the thought into. I mean when has chris ever thought "hmm, do I actually not want this thing?" The only thing he knows is want.

 

[Done]

Chris got a whole verse in a song in /v/ The Musical V (2:06 onwards). It's in a parody of Guilty Conscience:

Normally that would be of minor note - there were already two songs in the third album - one about the incident, and one about the hearing.

...buuuut there's a theory going around that this song was written, co-performed, and anonymously submitted by Lin-Manuel Miranda, who you'd probably know as the writer of Hamilton. It's been pitch shifted a semitone down, but the style and voice apparently are a close match, and he's a big gamer? He plays 'Emanon''s part.

Spoiler: Lyrics to the relevant section

[announcer]
Meet Chris, a thirty-four year old trainwreck of an autist.
After parking his tug boat and taking his vitamins, he walks in the door of his local fucking Gamestop to discover that they've changed his favourite character, very slightly.

[Dr. Red]
Alright calm down, relax, don't get a rag on,

[Emanon]
Fuck that shit, these cunts are trying to change the canon,
While you ain't looking they go and turn Sonic's arms blue,
FUCK making a vid, BOMB THEIR FUCKING HQ

[Dr. Red]
Wait! What if there's an explanation for this m8?

[Emanon]
What? He tripped? Fell? Landed in some paint?!

[Dr. Red]
Alright /v/, maybe he's right C
But think about Sonichu before you go crazy

[Emanon]
Okay! Thought about it, want to deface them?
Hit 'em with your car, slice your gooch up and then mace 'em?
That's what I'd do, be smart, don't be an exceptional individual
You gonna listen to someone who paid for us to make Gilda Mars?!

[Dr. Red]
What'chu say?

[Emanon]
What's wrong? Didn't think I'd remember?

[Dr. Red]
I'ma kill you motherfucker!

[Emanon]
Uhhh-aahh! Temper temper!
Mr. le, Mr. copy and paste,
Mr. maymay stole 'em straight outta 4chan, upvote my gay page,
How in the fuck you gonna tell this spas not to be violent?

[Dr. Red]
'cause it's wrong to manipulate him for amusement
Don't just deface that... aw fuck it, /v/'s right,
Take 'em down Chris, where's your mace at?

I love this.. Will probably listen to the whole thing later..

 

[Marvin]

Also recall how he toted his "damn near seven-incher" to any potential lesbian sweethearts as a "bonus".

He also was bragging about his gut to entice Jessica Quinn recently. It doesn't mean he likes his gut, or doesn't want it gone. It just means he has no self respect and is willing to debase himself to get girls.

We both acknowledge Chris doesn't have physical dysphoria, so that means he knows his dick belongs on him just like any body part.

You'll need to refresh my memory on this one.

We also have to take into account that it's a source of pleasure for him, so he can't hate it that much.

I don't think it's a substantial source of pleasure to him at all. I don't think he has much of a sex drive nowadays. One that's tied to physical sensation, anyway.

He says he wants to get rid of his dick, but he's just saying that like a child says they want a new toy, or to be a dinosaur. He knows he doesn't really want to get rid it, it's just another lie to make himself feel better.

I don't think he knows or thinks anything like that. I think he really does want it gone. (Of course, that doesn't preclude it from being a terrible idea that he might regret someday.)

He goes through weird lengths to obscure it. He literally believed that he was growing a vagina in (and I guess he thought the penis would melt off or something?). And he sliced his taint open to help it along.

It's hard for me to doubt his sincerity.

Or rather, just something he never actually puts the thought into. I mean when has chris ever thought "hmm, do I actually not want this thing?" The only thing he knows is want.

This is more likely, although I think the primary reason Chris might ultimately regret a de-ducking is because it'll put his health seriously at risk. He'll miss sex a bit, but I don't think he'll miss it as much as people think.

Chris' fetishes are all mental. Physical sensation isn't a huge drive for him. Heh, for example, collecting those spooge samples for freezing was an arduous chore for him, one that he complained about later.

 

[Tragi-Chan]

He also was bragging about his gut to entice Jessica Quinn recently. It doesn't mean he likes his gut, or doesn't want it gone. It just means he has no self respect and is willing to debase himself to get girls.

You'll need to refresh my memory on this one.

I don't think it's a substantial source of pleasure to him at all. I don't think he has much of a sex drive nowadays. One that's tied to physical sensation, anyway.

I don't think he knows or thinks anything like that. I think he really does want it gone. (Of course, that doesn't preclude it from being a terrible idea that he might regret someday.)

He goes through weird lengths to obscure it. He literally believed that he was growing a vagina in (and I guess he thought the penis would melt off or something?). And he sliced his taint open to help it along.

It's hard for me to doubt his sincerity.

This is more likely, although I think the primary reason Chris might ultimately regret a de-ducking is because it'll put his health seriously at risk. He'll miss sex a bit, but I don't think he'll miss it as much as people think.

Chris' fetishes are all mental. Physical sensation isn't a huge drive for him. Heh, for example, collecting those spooge samples for freezing was an arduous chore for him, one that he complained about later.

I'd say the two words that sum Chris' feelings towards his penis up are "ugly growth." I mean, IIRC he's even called it that while trying to convince straight women to have sex with him.