Containment Random Thoughts & Questions

[Mr. 0]

Chris was perfectly fine with his duck prior to '14 or so.

Because in those days his duck was not bent, and was in fact, bigger than previously photographed.

Incidentally, he was not overweight.

 

[Obsidian]

I wonder what the statiscal odds are of Chris obtaining a mate of either gender and actually having a mediocre to decent relationship is? Even if the odds be 0.00001% they still exist, and with the attention they have garnered it might even give them a fighting chance.

What are the odds someone would be non-judgemental, love them, yet be absolutely firm in not tolerating bullshit?

 

[coldfruit]

I honestly don't see it happening, especially given the "mediocre to decent" stipulation. Per the wiki: "[c]hris legitimately has friends, even if it's a one sided friendship that's only done out of pity." A one sided relationship out of pity just wouldn't be a relationship.

 

[Marvin]

You're an idiot if you generally believe that. Chris was perfectly fine with his duck prior to '14 or so. He's simply parroting stuff he's heard transpeople say for pitty points.

No he isn't. He wasn't exposed to that kind of tranny shit. Him hating on his penis was an independent development of his own.

 

[Obsidian]

I honestly don't see it happening, especially given the "mediocre to decent" stipulation. Per the wiki: "[c]hris legitimately has friends, even if it's a one sided friendship that's only done out of pity." A one sided relationship out of pity just wouldn't be a relationship.

This is understood. My speculation was based on a potential partner for them who actually does love them and not out of pity.

Most relationships tend to be alright or meh. Life isn't a fairy tale where everyone gets a QT wifu/husbando who does no wrong/is never irritating/absolute devotion/perfect matching interests etc.

 

[Drawets Rednaxela]

Him hating on his penis was an independent development of his own.

I never said it wasn't. It just seems suspect that he went from proudly tracing the damn thing into the comic - horrific bend 'n' all, to hating it within the space of five years or so. What could've prompted such a drastic change in attitude, prey tell?

 

[Done]

I never said it wasn't. It just seems suspect that he went from proudly tracing the damn thing into the comic - horrific bend 'n' all, to hating it within the space of five years or so. What could've prompted such a drastic change in attitude, prey tell?

He didn't trace it at his own volition, he was pushed into doing it by a sweetheart (I think Ivy).

 

[Mariposa Electrique]

You're an idiot if you generally believe that. Chris was perfectly fine with his duck prior to '14 or so. He's simply parroting stuff he's heard transpeople say for pitty points.

I agree with that

I never said it wasn't. It just seems suspect that he went from proudly tracing the damn thing into the comic - horrific bend 'n' all, to hating it within the space of five years or so. What could've prompted such a drastic change in attitude, prey tell?

Also agree with this, even after the Tomgirl saga, Chris was still offering rides on it like it was Ferrari. I am not really believing the constant excuses like, "Oh, it was trolls, autism, or the gravity on Jupiter that made him do it". The thing is that people, including Christorians, claim that Chris does cannot feel shame, well, that discludes him from dysphoria since it's about shame. Not shame after the fact of people telling you a million times over that you're ugly, you smell bad, you're a pervert, your dick is ugly, you're bald, you're a pig, no woman would ever want you, you can't live up to the standard of being a man and so forth. No, dysphoria starts from childhood with a strong hatred of anything that is perceived as masculine characteristics, it gets worse during puberty when people start changing, and legit trannies start taking hormones before the age of 18-19. Seriously, dysphoric trannies and real women would literally kill themselves if they woke un Chris' body. There have been no real changes on Chris' bargain basement Titty skittles, and no "dysphoria" as a result of that.

Transvestism can only explain part of it. It doesn't account for his hatred of his penis, for instance. And according to this, transvestites do not seek to change their sex nor feel a sense of belonging to the other gender, so that rules it out in Chris's case.

The thing is, there's no real underlying hatred. If Chris really hated his genitals, he would have kept cutting them and cutting them. Chris wouldn't do it just once under the behest of binaural beats, trolls, and alcohol.

 

[Marvin]

It just seems suspect that he went from proudly tracing the damn thing into the comic - horrific bend 'n' all, to hating it within the space of five years or so.

That was a troll request. Note what I said here:

I don't think he notices the bend. I don't think most of our insults really land with Chris because he doesn't see things that way.

When you insult Chris for something he doesn't himself perceive, I think it confuses him more than anything.

Like, I've only once heard Chris question his attractiveness, and he was like "... am I ugly?" He is like a blind man who's genuinely skeptical that a visual world even exists. What could've prompted such a drastic change in attitude, prey tell?

Normally, everyone just bombards Chris with insults all of the time. "You're fat" "You've got a bent penis" "You're ugly"

It takes a lot for Chris to feel personally attacked by insults like these because he doesn't perceive those criticisms himself. Chris doesn't look in the mirror and see ugly. He sees, idk, a person? He's got a nose. He's got two eyes. Now, he notices maybe that some people are more attractive than others, but honestly, unless there's something dramatic like a big boil or scar or some shit, he can't really see "ugly". He sees cute (and has no clue why) and then a whole lot of normal.

Same thing for the bent duck.

Now, when we had Chris draw his penis, we tried something different. What if you took one of Chris' flaws and tried to sell it to him as a positive thing? Like "oh yeah, Chris, you fat piece of shit, I want to see your fat gut!" Or as Ivy did "oh, I love your broken crooked dick, let's see it! trace it for me on the paper! you have to put it right on the paper Chris! and don't leave out the bend!"

Would Chris suddenly notice his flaws?

Turns out... not really. I mean, Chris knows he's a little chubby. But he can't tell where on the number line of fat he sits. Is he 400 pounds, can't get out of bed fat? Or is he just a little chubby?

Likewise, with the bent duck, he knows that curved dicks exist. He's seen them in porn exist. But how bad is he? I mean, he's not sporting a fishhook down there, so, how bad is it? Honestly, Chris can't tell.

Now what he did do (both with Jessica Quinn and Ivy) was go along with it. As long as it gets the girl off, Chris really doesn't give a shit.

There was no change in attitude. Chris was never particularly proud of his penis for its own sake.

Chris is a salesman. He'll say anything and everything to make a sale. Chris isn't particularly proud of his body because he finds his body attractive. The thought of being prideful of his body would never enter his brain if he didn't think he had something he could use as a bargaining chip with women. Heh, remember, he had to memorize how he looked in the mirror. If Chris didn't bother wearing his clown shirts, I bet he wouldn't be able to recognize himself in group photographs.

 

[QWaffen]

To me Chris is almost a role model of how not to be, he has helped me recognize my own autistic traits and how to improve on them.

This, I'm on the very edge of the spectrum, to the point it's inconclusive whether or not I have autism. Learning about Chris made me spend days trying to figure out if I'm actually like him or not. The only thing I can liken it to is the self-awakening I felt taking acid for the first time.

 

[Mariposa Electrique]

That was a troll request. Note what I said here:

Normally, everyone just bombards Chris with insults all of the time. "You're fat" "You've got a bent penis" "You're ugly"

It takes a lot for Chris to feel personally attacked by insults like these because he doesn't perceive those criticisms himself. Chris doesn't look in the mirror and see ugly. He sees, idk, a person? He's got a nose. He's got two eyes. Now, he notices maybe that some people are more attractive than others, but honestly, unless there's something dramatic like a big boil or scar or some shit, he can't really see "ugly". He sees cute (and has no clue why) and then a whole lot of normal.

Same thing for the bent duck.

Now, when we had Chris draw his penis, we tried something different. What if you took one of Chris' flaws and tried to sell it to him as a positive thing? Like "oh yeah, Chris, you fat piece of shit, I want to see your fat gut!" Or as Ivy did "oh, I love your broken crooked dick, let's see it! trace it for me on the paper! you have to put it right on the paper Chris! and don't leave out the bend!"

Would Chris suddenly notice his flaws?

Turns out... not really. I mean, Chris knows he's a little chubby. But he can't tell where on the number line of fat he sits. Is he 400 pounds, can't get out of bed fat? Or is he just a little chubby?

Likewise, with the bent duck, he knows that curved dicks exist. He's seen them in porn exist. But how bad is he? I mean, he's not sporting a fishhook down there, so, how bad is it? Honestly, Chris can't tell.

Now what he did do (both with Jessica Quinn and Ivy) was go along with it. As long as it gets the girl off, Chris really doesn't give a shit.

There was no change in attitude. Chris was never particularly proud of his penis for its own sake.

Chris is a salesman. He'll say anything and everything to make a sale. Chris isn't particularly proud of his body because he finds his body attractive. The thought of being prideful of his body would never enter his brain if he didn't think he had something he could use as a bargaining chip with women. Heh, remember, he had to memorize how he looked in the mirror. If Chris didn't bother wearing his clown shirts, I bet he wouldn't be able to recognize himself in group photographs.

Therein lies the fallacy, how can you have legitimate gender dysphoria or any other kind of dysphoria if you can't perceive flaws within in yourself. Chris is just like the other auti-troons, who parrot SJW jargon and believe that if you want to be (not that you actually are) a tranny, that you have to tuck your dick, wear ugly, slutty clothes, and shout female soul, like some sort of computer game that you'll get better at if you do it enough times. If Chris is basing his authenticity sticker on being a tranny because he likes ugly women's clothes, then there's even more evidence against his gender dysphoria because, before the harsh commercialization of western world, women's and men's clothing were not that distinguishable unless you were some sort of aristocrat or upperclassman. Woman wore muddy-colored and men wore muddy colored jeans and shirts. People couldn't afford pinks, blues, or revealing bathing suits that showed of their ankles. Rember that social gender: liking mpl and hairflips are highly subjective across culture. I bet if our culture changed and forced women into privacy like in the Middle East, Chris would drop this faux-tranny nonsense real fast.

 

[QWaffen]

Therein lies the fallacy, how can you have legitimate gender dysphoria or any other kind of dysphoria if you can't perceive flaws within in yourself. Chris is just like the other auti-troons, who parrot SJW jargon and believe that if you want to be (not that you actually are) a tranny, that you have to tuck your dick, wear ugly, slutty clothes, and shout female soul, like some sort of computer game that you'll get better at if you do it enough times. If Chris is basing his authenticity sticker on being a tranny because he likes ugly women's clothes, then there's even more evidence against his gender dysphoria because, before the harsh commercialization of western world, women's and men's clothing were not that distinguishable unless you were some sort of aristocrat or upperclassman. Woman wore muddy-colored and men wore muddy colored jeans and shirts. People couldn't afford pinks, blues, or revealing bathing suits that showed of their ankles. Rember that social gender: liking mpl and hairflips are highly subjective across culture. I bet if our culture changed and forced women into privacy like in the Middle East, Chris would drop this faux-tranny nonsense real fast.

That's an interesting point. Chris probably doesn't have the ability to actually even process gender outside of biological sex. I'm actually fascinated by what this implies and how much else this could explain.

 

[Mariposa Electrique]

That's an interesting point. Chris probably doesn't have the ability to actually even process gender outside of biological sex. I'm actually fascinated by what this implies and how much else this could explain.

Some people will so, oh, he knows the more obvious things, like a breast and vagina, so that's all that counts.
It's just not the truth. We don't show our breasts and vagina to everyone we meet.

 

[QWaffen]

Some people will so, oh, he knows the more obvious things, like a breast and vagina, so that's all that counts.

So reductive, but not entirely inaccurate from a biology standpoint. Though I doubt he formed his opinion by engaging with that kind of nuance.

I wonder what a trained psychologist would think of Chris, I bet a PhD candidate could write a dissertation just on Chris.

 

[The American Hedgehog]

discludes him from dysphoria since it's about shame.

[Citation needed]

No, dysphoria starts from childhood with a strong hatred of anything that is perceived as masculine characteristics, it gets worse during puberty when people start changing, and legit trannies start taking hormones before the age of 18-19.

Adults can present with it, too. You mention the hormones like it's a hard rule of nature, but people develop at their own paces. Chris was prescribed by a professional. That's about as legit as it gets.

Seriously, dysphoric trannies and real women would literally kill themselves if they woke un Chris' body. There have been no real changes on Chris' bargain basement Titty skittles, and no "dysphoria" as a result of that.

The shape he's in isn't relevant to the question of whether he has dysphoria.

The thing is, there's no real underlying hatred. If Chris really hated his genitals, he would have kept cutting them and cutting them. Chris wouldn't do it just once under the behest of binaural beats, trolls, and alcohol.

He's not psychotic.

 

[Marvin]

Therein lies the fallacy, how can you have legitimate gender dysphoria or any other kind of dysphoria if you can't perceive flaws within in yourself.

It's not that Chris is incapable of feeling embarrassed about his flaws. It's that Chris has perception problems that make it difficult for him to observe them in the first place, almost on a physical level.

It's like Chris has bad eye sight so he physically can't see how manly he looks. But when he puts on the glasses, everything pops into view and he's deeply disturbed by what he sees.

In this case, Chris can't distinguish subtle differences like a curvy female body and a more square male body. So it doesn't bother him. But then he notices his penis, which is obviously male, and that bothers him a lot. It bothers him to the point where he is willing to physically mutilate himself over it.

That's an interesting point. Chris probably doesn't have the ability to actually even process gender outside of biological sex. I'm actually fascinated by what this implies and how much else this could explain.

This isn't true. Autists care capable of processing gender and all sorts of more complicated topics. It's just more difficult for them.

It's important to note that distinction because the end result of having a reduced (but not entirely eliminated) perception of something as important as gender, means that they can pick up bits and pieces, but they fuck up constantly. They're vaguely aware there's something more going on, but they don't have the tools to handle it.

It's much worse than just having 0 understanding of the concept.

 

[The American Hedgehog]

Not sure if it's been noted yet, but Chris's Facebook is back up. No mention of why he had set it to private.

 

[Mariposa Electrique]

This isn't true. Autists care capable of processing gender and all sorts of more complicated topics. It's just more difficult for them.

Depends on what spectrum they're on, really intelligent ones with splinter skills can process advanced concepts like physics. Chris is barely above low functioning, though. He's not not very bright and barely knew what BLM was. We've said it before, and we'll say it again. Chris is bad at processing nuances unless it's cartoons or videa. He even misses most of the points on MLP. A lot of autists really can't process too many socially advanced concepts like gender.

 

[Marvin]

Depends on what spectrum they're on, really intelligent ones with splinter skills can process advanced concepts like physics. Chris is barely above low functioning, though. He's not not very bright and barely knew what BLM was. We've said it before, and we'll say it again. Chris is bad at processing nuances unless it's cartoons or videa. He even misses most of the points on MLP. A lot of autists really can't process too many socially advanced concepts like gender.

I think Chris has experienced things in life that are a result of gender. I don't think he thinks hard enough to ask himself "what does this mean?" He's not very introspective naturally.

However if you've got endless patience, you can probably talk Chris through his emotions and piece together something approximating awareness with him.

Heh, like Vivian had long chats with Chris trying to explain higher level concepts to him. And you can see her frustration as she goes around in circles trying to explain it to him. Chats like that are a little more productive in phone calls, but they're still long and tedious.

Like I'm sure Chris has experienced a lifetime of complex interactions that have taught him: men are different from women. But I don't think he has the awareness to pick apart why they're different, aside from the most juvenile ideas like "men are mean, women are nice".

That's what I'm saying. Chris is aware there's something funny going on, but he has no clue why, and furthermore, without some sort of motivation (like punishments), he has no reason to pursue the topic in any great detail.

 

[QWaffen]

Not sure if it's been noted yet, but Chris's Facebook is back up. No mention of why he had set it to private.

Oh, I thought he'd blocked me