Containment Random Thoughts & Questions

[Marvin]

he's using the girls pokemons and boxing up the guy pokemons? i believe that is what i read. i may be wrong though

Probably most of the time. There's DarnOl'Duck, for example.

 

[Horde Prime]

Question: Was Jack Thaddeus also BlueSpike? The voices sound similar to me.

 

[Christ-Chan]

Question: Was Jack Thaddeus also BlueSpike? The voices sound similar to me.

I'm not in the Chrilluminati, but I'm gonna go ahead and say "no".

 

[Marvin]

Question: Was Jack Thaddeus also BlueSpike? The voices sound similar to me.

No, bluespike was like 13 or 14 back then. Jack Thaddeus was an adult back then.

And, listening to the first Jack Thaddeus call again, I forgot how great he was back then. Jack Thaddeus was a lot more aggressive with Chris than other callers were. Honestly, you can't get Chris to do something he doesn't want to do by just being nice. Although, you can't do it by being mean either. Ultimately, you need to have authority over Chris. But even so, Jack Thaddeus was a lot more successful in setting Chris straight than a lot of other callers were.

Jack Thaddeus really got to the point. Like, lines like "why is Rosechu not a useless piece of shit?" That's really, dead on.

Rosechu is a representation of Chris' sexist-as-hell understanding of women. Chris obviously doesn't realize he's being sexist, of course, because he's as hell. And because of that, he'll never admit that he's being sexist. But even so, it was a great attempt on Jack Thaddeus' part.

"My blood is not made of gravy."

 

[Horde Prime]

Question: Was Jack Thaddeus also BlueSpike? The voices sound similar to me.

I'm not in the Chrilluminati, but I'm gonna go ahead and say "no".

"Chrilluminati" lol. I like it.

Question: Was Jack Thaddeus also BlueSpike? The voices sound similar to me.

No, bluespike was like 13 or 14 back then. Jack Thaddeus was an adult back then.

And, listening to the first Jack Thaddeus call again, I forgot how great he was back then. Jack Thaddeus was a lot more aggressive with Chris than other callers were. Honestly, you can't get Chris to do something he doesn't want to do by just being nice. Although, you can't do it by being mean either. Ultimately, you need to have authority over Chris. But even so, Jack Thaddeus was a lot more successful in setting Chris straight than a lot of other callers were.

Jack Thaddeus really got to the point. Like, lines like "why is Rosechu not a useless piece of shit?" That's really, dead on.

Rosechu is a representation of Chris' sexist-as-hell understanding of women. Chris obviously doesn't realize he's being sexist, of course, because he's as hell. And because of that, he'll never admit that he's being sexist. But even so, it was a great attempt on Jack Thaddeus' part.

"My blood is not made of gravy."

He's pretty damn funny I'll give him that. But also really aggressive with Chris to the point he seems like he's being kind of rude to Chris. In contrast with the Alec calls where Alec was extremely patient with him and polite it seemed.

You know, Marvin since you've said that you guys manipulated a lot of what Chris did, it's hard for me to get an understanding of just how dumb Chris is. I guess the fact that he was able to be manipulated like that in the first place says something, but from what I read that could be a characteristic of autism. Anyway my son was recently diagnosed with what the DSM now calls "Level 1 Autism" (formerly known as Aspergers) so that is part of the reason I find Chris so fascinating. Like someone said somwhere about Chris it's like a case study of completely untreated autism. Anyway something interesting I remember the psychologist telling me during a meeting was she said that most autistics are actually average to above average intelligence. The autism just... well makes things hard for them. But I'm wondering if Chris is an exception to this rule. Is he actually both just plain stupid and autistic?

If Chris had ideal treatment from a young age how functional and independent do you think he could be today?

Also, one of my favorite Chris videos is the "Autism Blues/Greene County Conspiracy". Where did he get this idea that the Green county school board prevented their house from selling so they had to move back. Even trying to ride Chris's crazy train for a bit that doesn't even make any sense. If they actually hated autistics so much they would have actually been trying to help the Chandlers sell that house to get rid of them. So where did that conspiracy idea come from? any idea?

 

[Christ-Chan]

You know, Marvin since you've said that you guys manipulated a lot of what Chris did, it's hard for me to get an understanding of just how dumb Chris is.

He's stupid enough to be manipulated into doing pretty much anything, I think that's what we can take away from his videos.

 

[cahoots]

Is he actually both just plain stupid and autistic?

Yes.

I think Chris probably had some potential to be smarter than he is, but like everything else, his lazyness ruined it. He chose to sleep in class rather than push himself and learn anything. Bob's other children certaintly seem to be smart.

 

[CatParty]

You know, Marvin since you've said that you guys manipulated a lot of what Chris did, it's hard for me to get an understanding of just how dumb Chris is.

He's stupid enough to be manipulated into doing pretty much anything, I think that's what we can take away from his videos.

don't even have to look at just the videos. read sonichu. or read his facebook feed recently. he's incredibly stupid/crazy when left to his own devices.

 

[Marvin]

He's pretty damn funny I'll give him that. But also really aggressive with Chris to the point he seems like he's being kind of rude to Chris. In contrast with the Alec calls where Alec was extremely patient with him and polite it seemed.

Well that's my point. Back then, when we didn't know as much about Chris, we tried to be coercive with Chris. We tried to be nice. And it didn't do shit. Chris never will yield to someone else out of his own free will. Everyone but him are just pieces on the board of life that he does his best to manipulate to benefit himself. That's kinda how little kids think, except we all eventually grow up and learn to consider other people's perspectives, not just how they relate to our situations.

Jack Thaddeus went straight to the point and was rude and forceful with Chris. I mean, we later learned that without some leverage over Chris, that still wouldn't work. But it was a lot more effective than anything thus far. Chris will lie and bullshit and do whatever he needs to, so just get straight to the point: "You could be healthier? Okay, yeah... you could be healthier if your fuckin' blood wasn't made of gravy."

Basically what I'm saying is that beating around the bush won't help.

Anyway something interesting I remember the psychologist telling me during a meeting was she said that most autistics are actually average to above average intelligence. The autism just... well makes things hard for them. But I'm wondering if Chris is an exception to this rule. Is he actually both just plain stupid and autistic?

Uhh, well, you can get into debates about what intelligence is and stuff like that. I would say that for properly raised autistics, they probably are intelligent, but just in different ways from normal people. I would say intelligence is quickness of thinking, plus just general knowledge, I guess.

Chris thinks slowly and that's why I talk a lot about how dumb he is. I don't know how autism relates to that, but whatever the cause, I still consider him dumb. When talking to him, it's very easy to introduce too many ideas at once or too many complex ideas. Y'know, his stereotypical "wait, what?" His brain seems to almost clog up really easily.

And even for the stuff that autistics usually are good at, things with patterns, stuff like that, with Chris, I think he's just interested in it a lot. You could probably devise some of Chris' interests that would still clog up his thinking. It's probably just because his interests are simple that he's able to handle them as well as he does.

If Chris had ideal treatment from a young age how functional and independent do you think he could be today?

Uhh, with some better social training, he could probably have a little apartment somewhere, maybe a dinky fast food job and the tugboat. He could probably have his social outlets, like the game place, if he had better social skills.

 

[Christ-Chan]

Chris thinks slowly and that's why I talk a lot about how dumb he is. I don't know how autism relates to that [...]

Not at all. What surprised me is the Autism Papers which state the he seems to be in about average cognition, or something to that effect. The technical term of cognitive intelligence and I.Q. is the ability to recognize patterns and to apply models to different situations, and Chris doesn't seem very good at that. I don't know, maybe he's just not trying in real life but can do it if he really wants to?

 

[Marvin]

Chris thinks slowly and that's why I talk a lot about how dumb he is. I don't know how autism relates to that [...]

Not at all. What surprised me is the Autism Papers which state the he seems to be in about average cognition, or something to that effect. The technical term of cognitive intelligence and I.Q. is the ability to recognize patterns and to apply models to different situations, and Chris doesn't seem very good at that. I don't know, maybe he's just not trying in real life but can do it if he really wants to?

Eh, I wouldn't really imagine that that sort of thing is something you can consciously try or not try to do. I mean, I guess to an extent, if you're casually working on something and then decided you need to work a bit harder, you might try to clear your mind and focus on it. I can get that.

But if your ability to recognize patterns is so slow and gimpy that we can easily confuse you when we're just having conversations, you've really got to be stupid by some standard. And it's been happening enough that Chris has been commenting for a long time on how he feels like he thinks slowly sometimes.

 

[Christ-Chan]

Eh, I wouldn't really imagine that that sort of thing is something you can consciously try or not try to do. I mean, I guess to an extent, if you're casually working on something and then decided you need to work a bit harder, you might try to clear your mind and focus on it. I can get that.

But if your ability to recognize patterns is so slow and gimpy that we can easily confuse you when we're just having conversations, you've really got to be stupid by some standard. And it's been happening enough that Chris has been commenting for a long time on how he feels like he thinks slowly sometimes.

Oh, I agree with you on how I perceive Chris, that's why I'm confused. I looked pretty silly in another thread when I asked how he could have possibly gotten on the Dean's List at CWC, so I guess maybe we can chalk it up to the standards for "normal cognition" might be lower than what would perhaps be expected.

EDIT: One theory I will put forward, however, is that Chris might be one of those people who need to reflect on any problem he's trying to solve, and he needs to do it in silence and in a place that feels comfortable to him (likely a larger room with no-one trying to talk to him). If those conditions aren't met he can't really focus on something as simple as a phone conversation because he has a sensory overload of sorts and panics (or "gets stressed"). That is a toootal guess however with no ciations to hold it up.

 

[Marvin]

Eh, I wouldn't really imagine that that sort of thing is something you can consciously try or not try to do. I mean, I guess to an extent, if you're casually working on something and then decided you need to work a bit harder, you might try to clear your mind and focus on it. I can get that.

But if your ability to recognize patterns is so slow and gimpy that we can easily confuse you when we're just having conversations, you've really got to be stupid by some standard. And it's been happening enough that Chris has been commenting for a long time on how he feels like he thinks slowly sometimes.

Oh, I agree with you on how I perceive Chris, that's why I'm confused. I looked pretty silly in another thread when I asked how he could have possibly gotten on the Dean's List at CWC, so I guess maybe we can chalk it up to the standards for "normal cognition" might be lower than what would perhaps be expected.

EDIT: One theory I will put forward, however, is that Chris might be one of those people who need to reflect on any problem he's trying to solve, and he needs to do it in silence and in a place that feels comfortable to him (likely a larger room with no-one trying to talk to him). If those conditions aren't met he can't really focus on something as simple as a phone conversation because he has a sensory overload of sorts and panics (or "gets stressed"). That is a toootal guess however with no ciations to hold it up.

I'm not sure what the Dean's list is in the first place. Is it just something comparable to honor roll? Because if so, maintaining a grade point average isn't that hard, even for someone like Chris. Or, I guess that might be harder in college, because you wouldn't be having classes matched to your level of intelligence like you would in high school.

I don't really think sensory overload is involved. The reason being that it's not that phone conversations are difficult for Chris. I wasn't saying all (or most) phone conversations were too difficult for Chris. I was saying that when the ideas involved got too complicated Chris couldn't understand.

The only difference between Chris handling a call and Chris going "wait, what?" was the complexity of the ideas. Not sound/noise or anything like that. Nothing sensory.

 

[JeffGoldblumIRL]

So, I've been watching the Awesome Games Done Quick charity marathon these past few days.

I noticed this guy in the audience today:

 

[Horde Prime]

So, I've been watching the Awesome Games Done Quick charity marathon these past few days.

I noticed this guy in the audience today:
http://i.imgur.com/nb14j7i.jpg

Hah! Wonder if he did that on purpose?

He's pretty damn funny I'll give him that. But also really aggressive with Chris to the point he seems like he's being kind of rude to Chris. In contrast with the Alec calls where Alec was extremely patient with him and polite it seemed.

Well that's my point. Back then, when we didn't know as much about Chris, we tried to be coercive with Chris. We tried to be nice. And it didn't do shit. Chris never will yield to someone else out of his own free will. Everyone but him are just pieces on the board of life that he does his best to manipulate to benefit himself. That's kinda how little kids think, except we all eventually grow up and learn to consider other people's perspectives, not just how they relate to our situations.

Jack Thaddeus went straight to the point and was rude and forceful with Chris. I mean, we later learned that without some leverage over Chris, that still wouldn't work. But it was a lot more effective than anything thus far. Chris will lie and bullshit and do whatever he needs to, so just get straight to the point: "You could be healthier? Okay, yeah... you could be healthier if your fuckin' blood wasn't made of gravy."

Basically what I'm saying is that beating around the bush won't help.

Anyway something interesting I remember the psychologist telling me during a meeting was she said that most autistics are actually average to above average intelligence. The autism just... well makes things hard for them. But I'm wondering if Chris is an exception to this rule. Is he actually both just plain stupid and autistic?

Uhh, well, you can get into debates about what intelligence is and stuff like that. I would say that for properly raised autistics, they probably are intelligent, but just in different ways from normal people. I would say intelligence is quickness of thinking, plus just general knowledge, I guess.

Chris thinks slowly and that's why I talk a lot about how dumb he is. I don't know how autism relates to that, but whatever the cause, I still consider him dumb. When talking to him, it's very easy to introduce too many ideas at once or too many complex ideas. Y'know, his stereotypical "wait, what?" His brain seems to almost clog up really easily.

And even for the stuff that autistics usually are good at, things with patterns, stuff like that, with Chris, I think he's just interested in it a lot. You could probably devise some of Chris' interests that would still clog up his thinking. It's probably just because his interests are simple that he's able to handle them as well as he does.

If Chris had ideal treatment from a young age how functional and independent do you think he could be today?

Uhh, with some better social training, he could probably have a little apartment somewhere, maybe a dinky fast food job and the tugboat. He could probably have his social outlets, like the game place, if he had better social skills.

Thanks. Appreciate the answers.

 

[Horde Prime]

I've been re-watching some of the videos and they reminded me of another thing I've wondered about and that is there are a lot of jump cuts in Chris's videos. Also there are often times where he looks to me like he is about to cry. His facial expressions and body language are all... off, it seems, so I may be misreading it. Just wondering if anyone else had noticed these moments where he looks like he's about to lose it and burst into tears and if that is perhaps one of the reasons there are so many jump cuts in his videos?

 

[Varis]

The only difference between Chris handling a call and Chris going "wait, what?" was the complexity of the ideas. Not sound/noise or anything like that. Nothing sensory.

I love that one call where Alec accuses Chris of trolling. His brain seems to shut down and he immediately ends the call. Good times.

 

[Christ-Chan]

I've been re-watching some of the videos and they reminded me of another thing I've wondered about and that is there are a lot of jump cuts in Chris's videos. Also there are often times where he looks to me like he is about to cry. His facial expressions and body language are all... off, it seems, so I may be misreading it. Just wondering if anyone else had noticed these moments where he looks like he's about to lose it and burst into tears and if that is perhaps one of the reasons there are so many jump cuts in his videos?

I think some of the cuts are for technical reasons, his camera took a lot of abuse over the course of his YouTube pressence.

 

[Hyperion]

The only difference between Chris handling a call and Chris going "wait, what?" was the complexity of the ideas. Not sound/noise or anything like that. Nothing sensory.

I love that one call where Alec accuses Chris of trolling. His brain seems to shut down and he immediately ends the call. Good times.

That is pretty amazing. It's a fine example of the doubleplusunthink that defines his existence.

 

[JeffGoldblumIRL]

I've been re-watching some of the videos and they reminded me of another thing I've wondered about and that is there are a lot of jump cuts in Chris's videos. Also there are often times where he looks to me like he is about to cry. His facial expressions and body language are all... off, it seems, so I may be misreading it. Just wondering if anyone else had noticed these moments where he looks like he's about to lose it and burst into tears and if that is perhaps one of the reasons there are so many jump cuts in his videos?

Chris does not emote very well. I've noticed in his childhood pictures he exhibits a common "deer in headlights" kind of look that I've seen on a number of other autistic children. "Default" mouth expression, which can sometimes look upset, and "sad" eyebrows positioned close to / \ (bad ASCII interpretation, but the opposite of angry ones which would be \ / ). As he got older this blank slate was slowly augmented with facial expressions Chris believed were correct but still not quite. In his high school pics he has those goofy smiles, and in that recent Facebook picture he's trying too hard in making a frowny face. Both look silly because they're unnatural exaggerations of those emotions.

During his videos I noticed Chris occasionally will focus his attention outside of his facial expressions resulting in ones that look a bit downtrodden or sad. I don't think he's actually on the verge of tears, though. Then again, I've never heard Chris cry (and I kind of don't want to).

As for why his videos are choppy, he uses the PS EyeToy which I assume has "off" and "on" capabilities that start/stop with the press of a button. He might be doing multiple takes of certain videos, or he might just be stopping the recording so he can figure out what he wants to discuss next. His videos are edited entirely through the EyeToy app, I believe.