Containment Random Thoughts & Questions

[Chan Fan]

It's always been interesting to me how Chris shows people his anger and capability of violence. With Clyde, it was beat up a toy of a clown. With Adam Stackhouse, it was shooting a picture of him with a toy gun. In his comics, it was killing people in extremely bloody, violent ways. Then with Barb...humping a pillow. The violence/fighting aspect could have been learned from TV, like so many other things he believes; but where did he learn that threatening one's mother with rape is okay if you're mad at her?

 

[Fapcop]

It's always been interesting to me how Chris shows people his anger and capability of violence. With Clyde, it was beat up a toy of a clown. With Adam Stackhouse, it was shooting a picture of him with a toy gun. In his comics, it was killing people in extremely bloody, violent ways. Then with Barb...humping a pillow. The violence/fighting aspect could have been learned from TV, like so many other things he believes; but where did he learn that threatening one's mother with rape is okay if you're mad at her?

Anger and sex are closely tied together in the male brain.

(Just one recent example: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/07/200727114647.htm)

Could it simply be the case that Chris is giving an Honest and instinctive reaction, because thanks to his autism he has less of a filter?

(Of course the only source for that story is Chris himself. Chris has proven himself to be an unreliable narrator, but is there any reason to believe he might be straight up lying here?)

That's not uncommon in. That's the age where children identify with the same-sex parent, which is why I highly doubt Chris has actual gender dysphroia. This is not a gender sperging but developmental sperging. Despite what AGPs like to tell, you preschool is the age where same-sex identification is solidified. This is why you see so many effeminate males from single parent mother only homes. Chris' problems seem to be more developmental in nature.


Not so much as a subverted woman, and more of a eunuch. Preschoolers (males) often have a fear of castration according to Freud. And according to both Erikson and Freud, if you don't conquer and excel at certain developmental milestones, you will exhibit more dysfunctional traits associated with those milestones.

I completely agree on Chris being neither homosexual/transsexual or having gender dysphoria.

(He has never shown any unprompted sexual attraction to males, and to this day seems weary of male homosexuals. Note also the straight S in the “SLGBT” that Chris promotes.)

It’s also important to point out that Chris, when claiming to be a woman, doesn’t really put himself in a “subservient role”.

Chris has numerous times expressed a belief in women somehow being “stronger” than males (besides kinder, gentler and more agreeable of course) and overall being “the stronger gender”.

This most likely hails back from his childhood and the particular parental dynamics in the Chandler household.

Barb was probably more hands-on in her parenting than Bob was. Note for example that during the infamous “lumberjack” call, Bob threatens Chris with waking up Barb to tell her what’s going on. Something Chris tries hard to avoid.

 

[AnAccount]

It's always been interesting to me how Chris shows people his anger and capability of violence. With Clyde, it was beat up a toy of a clown. With Adam Stackhouse, it was shooting a picture of him with a toy gun. In his comics, it was killing people in extremely bloody, violent ways. Then with Barb...humping a pillow. The violence/fighting aspect could have been learned from TV, like so many other things he believes; but where did he learn that threatening one's mother with rape is okay if you're mad at her?

I'd guess there's two avenues here.

One is some kind of sexual attraction to his mother, I find this kindof unlikely due to her age, and him being on hormones and such (Although it could be more deep seated long held thought/feelings)

Two, Barb regularly asserts/feels scared to chris chan that his transgender tendencies are scary, sexual and directed towards her (I think she compared him to Norman Bates the character) And he was taking advantage of this by humping something in his female garb, as if to say "Your fears are right, be careful"

 

[Hogar Grupal]

I wonder if having Chris was Barb's second chance at seeing how she would would have raised Cole. Granted, Cole left by the time he was old enough to legally do so and say "fuck off "to Barb. Chris on the other hand, Barb was gaining awareness of Chris' autism, that she found a way to control him. By the time she started to first manipulate him (killing herself) she knew she could make Chris do anything, until Chris started to fight back manipulation, but way late into his late adulthood did he start to do so.

 

[Mariposa Electrique]

I'd guess there's two avenues here.

One is some kind of sexual attraction to his mother, I find this kindof unlikely due to her age, and him being on hormones and such (Although it could be more deep seated long held thought/feelings)

Two, Barb regularly asserts/feels scared to chris chan that his transgender tendencies are scary, sexual and directed towards her (I think she compared him to Norman Bates the character) And he was taking advantage of this by humping something in his female garb, as if to say "Your fears are right, be careful"

Chris should have been placed in a crazy house years ago.

 

[Nickhayes1988]

I wonder if having Chris was Barb's second chance at seeing how she would would have raised Cole. Granted, Cole left by the time he was old enough to legally do so and say "fuck off "to Barb. Chris on the other hand, Barb was gaining awareness of Chris' autism, that she found a way to control him. By the time she started to first manipulate him (killing herself) she knew she could make Chris do anything, until Chris started to fight back manipulation, but way late into his late adulthood did he start to do so.

I think chris was the classic trap child for barb. She likely saw bob as her meal ticket. She had gone from bad relationship to bad relationship and bob was something steady and reliable. She got to retire relatively early and live a comfortable life afforded to her by bob's pension. Not to say she didn't have a decent pension of her own. But bob was easy. He let her hoard and impulse buy with little to no conflict.

For barb though chris was the emotional support animal she always wanted. Someone easy to control who would shower her with attention and never grow up and leave. From what chris said bob was always distant. He spent most of his time listening to records and commiserating on his accomplishments and regrets. I doubt that if you asked barb if she had any regrets with chris shed have many. They spent years in separate houses just to spite the green county school district for trying to get their child the proper developmental care he needed. When their son threatened the life of Mary Lee Walsh they didnt discipline him. They wrote a letter to the president. I dont think there was a shred of self awareness between bob and barb.

 

[elkinbub]

A lot of good comments here.

I don't see any evidence of Chris ever being attracted to males either. I don't even see anything that makes it seem like he's hiding evidence, either. The closest things to this would be: 1) his expressed desire for a woman to fuck him in the ass with a strap-on, but lots of straight guys into femdom-type stuff would want that, and it isn't like Chris was even hung up on that desire; 2) the idea that he's married to imaginary cartoon males whom he has cartoon sex with with, which is all so vague and abstract that it doesn't register as actual attraction as far as I'm concerned.

The whole "He hates gays because he's secretly gay" angle does not work with him. The idea that he would have turned out gay if he had liberal parents... that's interesting, but it might say more about modern liberal parents than about Chris Chan. I think he could have maybe experimented with gayness or been open to it but then not have gone for it. I've known several guys who are about Chris's age who had gay thoughts in the late '90s/early '00s, when gayness was very trendy in a way but still taboo enough and not very well understood or accepted. They even had one or two gay experiences, but then they stopped. I think Chris could have been pushed towards something like that, or at least been more open to it, if he had liberal parents. Not that the parents themselves would have pushed him, but others would have--as they did--and without his conservative upbringing he probably wouldn't have fought back as hard, or as ridiculously, as he did. But this is a very minor point.

I'm not an expert but I don't see Chris fitting into any clear gender category. But I would say that his many revisions about what he was (e.g. "male lesbian") were honest attempts on his part to try to figure things out. I think he settled on "lesbian transwoman" just because it was easiest in the end. (Does he even call himself a lesbian anymore? Or is he just asexual in this reality?) My gut instinct would be to call him genderfluid, but I would mean fluid as in more like an amorphous blob.

Personally I wouldn't count the whole "Crystal" doppleganger thing as much evidence of early dysphoria or whatever, because I don't see that he put much value into her. Unless I'm wrong? I see it as a quite typical uncreative thing that he would do, because all he does is make different versions of the same handful of characters, so a female version of himself seems kind of obvious. But I don't think he was ever attracted to Crystal sexually in any way that connects to his own transvestite fetishism or (arguably) autogynephilia from his tomgirl phase onwards.

He did muse quite often about what it would be like if he was a girl. And I think that his hatred towards all males (gay and straight) and his rationales for why he did that seems like a cover for his lack of comfort as a male.

 

[AnOminous]

Bob really fucked up by arranging girls to be "friends" with Chris - it screwed up his social development by weighing one gender over the other.

On top of that it robbed him of any actual opportunity to learn how to make friends for real because he literally never had the experience of doing it. By the time he had the chance to do it again, that window was permanently closed. He was well intentioned but he couldn't have fucked up worse there.

The whole "He hates gays because he's secretly gay" angle does not work with him. The idea that he would have turned out gay if he had liberal parents... that's interesting, but it might say more about modern liberal parents than about Chris Chan.

He "hated gays" solely because his trolls came on with that angle just to fuck with him.

He actually hated straight guys because they took all the cute girls and left him a virgin with rage.

 

[The Fool]

Chris hated gays because he legitimately thought they had the potential to sway him into wanting to have sex with men and not women. Chris is aware of how gullible he is, how fragile his mind is, it's like putty. I don't think Chris could ever actually be persuaded or brainwashed into liking men over women, but he sure was afraid of that prospect. Him curing homosexuality with his blood was kind of a reflection of that mindset, he thinks it's more like catching the flu than being a deeply-rooted psychological aspect.

As we all know, Chris hates men, since they refused to coddle him and shower him with praise and attention like women did. So the idea of him liking what he perceived to be abusers instead of what he perceived as caregivers was kind of an existential horror to him.

 

[judge claude frollo]

Chris hated gays because he legitimately thought they had the potential to sway him into wanting to have sex with men and not women. Chris is aware of how gullible he is, how fragile his mind is, it's like putty. I don't think Chris could ever actually be persuaded or brainwashed into liking men over women, but he sure was afraid of that prospect. Him curing homosexuality with his blood was kind of a reflection of that mindset, he thinks it's more like catching the flu than being a deeply-rooted psychological aspect.

As we all know, Chris hates men, since they refused to coddle him and shower him with praise and attention like women did. So the idea of him liking what he perceived to be abusers instead of what he perceived as caregivers was kind of an existential horror to him.

No matter what he says, he hates men. He fucking despises men. Him being sexually open, "positive", and friendly will never change that fact. You can basically just feel it, with how he talks, acts, and with his strange manhate-related outbursts in videos over the years. All that vibe shit he and other "free spirits" like him talk about is really stupid, but man it's hard to ignore the huge man-hate energy he possesses.

 

[SssneakySssnek]

People who think he's gay clearly are underestimating just how retarded he is.

When you hear a "normal" person say "I hate gay people because they might make me gay and suddenly suck cocks" you go oh, that guy's gay and doesn't want to be. He's afraid of being gay.

With Chris that's a super literal statement. He thinks gay people can make him gay. Not by opening his closet, but by actually mentally converting him. He's not afraid of being gay he's afraid of being TURNED gay.

Don't forget....he's retarded. He's not a tranny either, he's just a weird retard who wants a mom. All the hormones and depression and weirdshit has probably pushed him closer to asexual at the post-prostitute stage TBQH.

 

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

The gayest thing Chris had done was when he made an alias on the troll forum to "infiltrate them " and was making an introduction post telling people about himself , then he went on a seemingly random tangent about how he had a gay experience with another boy when he was a kid and they raw dogged each other, it was messed up. Maybe it was him trying to say something the "hetero hero Chris Chan would never say" so the trolls would not doubt him, but it was so oddly specific that it seem more like he got carried away in a stream of consciousness.

I am not saying he is gay though, he is just a fucked up mentally ill lunatic like other people said, even him being straight is dodgy as most of his sexuality is fetish and dellusion.

He isn't gender disphoric either, he was always more affeminate not out of gayness or being a tranny but because he is gigantic wimp. He is intimidated naturally intimidated by males because how inadequate he is comparatively and feels safer with girls because they are weaker and kinder in his eyes and he sees himself as weak and a kind too. By default he thinks every woman is the archetype of a gentle flower even though most females in his live have more character than him and even them could still beat Chris up if they wanted to, specially his own mother, he doesn't believe me can be gentle and kind either. I guess just the fact that growing up some women were more willing to tolerate or pretend to be nice to him for pity were males would just bully him, call him a faggot retard and give him a wedgie and that was enough to settle his bias forever. Even the female trolls usually rp with him and went along with his bullshit to goat him, the male trolls mostly antagonized him right out the bat.

 

[The American Hedgehog]

The gayest thing Chris had done was when he made an alias on the troll forum to "infiltrate them " and was making an introduction post telling people about himself , then he went on a seemingly random tangent about how he had a gay experience with another boy when he was a kid and they raw dogged each other, it was messed up. Maybe it was him trying to say something the "hetero hero Chris Chan would never say" so the trolls would not doubt him, but it was so oddly specific that it seem more like he got carried away in a stream of consciousness.

Trolls led him to believe they were obsessed with gay sex so he made up the story to try to blend in. He later said in one of the Jackie emails that his inspiration for the story was a Family Guy joke about a parrot repeating "I had a gay experience at camp" to people.

 

[AnOminous]

When you hear a "normal" person say "I hate gay people because they might make me gay and suddenly suck cocks" you go oh, that guy's gay and doesn't want to be. He's afraid of being gay.

With Chris that's a super literal statement. He thinks gay people can make him gay.

So why would he hang out mainly at a gay club for social interaction for a year or so?

 

[Mr. 0]

So why would he hang out mainly at a gay club for social interaction for a year or so?

Well, they're not as likely to ban him on the spot like other places, for one, they probably played into his tranny delusions, for two, and he obviously wanted a niggo to cure his fecal incontinence by plugging him, for three

 

[The American Hedgehog]

 

[SssneakySssnek]

So why would he hang out mainly at a gay club for social interaction for a year or so?

....because he thinks he's a tranny and the LGBTQFOSFAHGE community is in general more accepting to weird people? Is that a real question?

Who do you think would be more likely to tolerate Chris walking in and being a fucking mongoloid: a gay club or an actual club with muscle shirt dude bros? C'mon son

 

[thegooddoctor]

Is it possible that deep down, even now, despite all of faux tranny, autism hybrid he puts on, Chris still harbours some semblance of old animosity and bigotry towards homosexuality??

 

[Fapcop]

Is it possible that deep down, even now, despite all of faux tranny, autism hybrid he puts on, Chris still harbours some semblance of old animosity and bigotry towards homosexuality??

We’re talking about Chris, who’s a strong proponent of SLGBTQ-rights.

The S is for “Straight”.

I’d say there’s a pretty good chance that Chris is not only 100% heterosexual, but also despises gay men as much as he used to, though he has gotten better at hiding it.

So why would he hang out mainly at a gay club for social interaction for a year or so?

1: Because it’s one of the places he’s more likely to be tolerated.

2: Lesbians.

3: Fewer JERKS. As much as Chris dislikes gay men, he dislikes straight dudes and bro-culture even more.

 

[A Grey Cat]

Didn't know where else to put this and it's only barely tangentially Chris related but his man Crush Dr wolf just made a video confirming g5 isn't going to feature the main 6 from g4

I'm seriously hoping the big dumb autistic ape goes on another sperg fest over this. Blue arms was one thing but at least it was still more or less the same sonic in boom