Off-Topic Random Trans Thoughts, Musings, and Questions - For all your armchair psych and general sperging

[Captain Confabulator]

Recently someone posted a study from the U.K that showed support for trans people has basically collapsed throughout the years from 58% to 30% of respondents supporting them still

That's the UK though. The rest of the Anglosphere is deep into genderwang and it shows no signs of slowing down.

Just recently the Australian Sex Discrimination Commissioner (lol) literally claimed that "sex is broad enough to encompass the idea that a person's sex can be changed."


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I also think there is a disconnect between the ivory tower academics/public servants, and rank and file citizens. It doesn't matter if 70% of the population agree that troons are mentally ill and sex can't be changed if judges, peer reviewers, policy-makers, and board members for professional medical organizations have bought into it hook line and sinker.

But maybe I'm just blackpilled.

 

[HodgePodgeRogerDodger]

The term Sapphic or whatever is really funny to me because Saphos was literally a poet who killed herself over a sailor rejecting her. Most of her works are literally lost and we only have a few bits and gossip that called her a slut. Literally one poem, if you come in with bias, alludes to female sexuality in a way that almost implies she was a dyke.

Also some old slang about Lesbos was that it basically was a used for a way to call a girl a blowjob Queen.

The only tranny in Greek myth was a girl who got raped by Posiden who gave her a wish. She turned into an invincible pooner who killed herself later on.

 

[AWizard]

I also think there is a disconnect between the ivory tower academics/public servants, and rank and file citizens. It doesn't matter if 70% of the population agree that troons are mentally ill and sex can't be changed if judges, peer reviewers, policy-makers, and board members for professional medical organizations have bought into it hook line and sinker.

But maybe I'm just blackpilled.

There is a disconnect. I haven't got much time right now to expand but they live in a sphere that's shielded from the rest of the working class even within the same city.

 

[kyskeff]

Academia is a big issue as well. You can't speak out against trans issues or you end up with a conduct suspension and your scholarship in jeopardy (slight PL, but yes, this genuinely happens). So, that's conditioning a ton of people coming out of those environments, especially liberals ones, and especially those going into politics to fall into the tranny cult trap. Constant replenishing of often connected and sometimes powerful people afraid to speak against anything.

 

[kyskeff]

Fucking ridiculous. ChatGPT will write the most tranny dick riding shit on the earth then the moment I very respectfully ask it to do the opposite, naw. It'll write an article in defense of first grade students gender transitioning, but not one opposing transgenderism.

 

[Deepland Bystander]

Fucking ridiculous. ChatGPT will write the most tranny dick riding shit on the earth then the moment I very respectfully ask it to do the opposite, naw. It'll write an article in defense of first grade students gender transitioning, but not one opposing transgenderism.View attachment 5368554View attachment 5368555View attachment 5368556

I've managed the get ChatGPT 4 (paid version - it's apparently a little less woke if you know how to instruct it) to write things that are opposing transgenderism, but it was an adjacent question after I have already discussed loads of plotlines and fictional themes in a story I'm currently writing beforehand. (It's a story about unethical medical experiments and cybernetics enhancements, and I got it to oppose troonism by comparing it to other body modifications in the story.)

You have to swamp it with context to bypass the filter, but it's doable. However this might not be possible in ChatGPT 3.5, which seem to have stricter censor.

 

[TruffleSpark]

I'm just thinking about how so many people coming out as trans is taken as proof that society is more accepting of differences than before. If anything imo it is the opposite, when I was a teenager in the 2000s you could just be a non gender conforming man or woman. It wasn't 100% accepted, you might still face some sort of discrimination, but it was mainstream enough that it wasn't too big of a deal. We might not be formally allowed to define what a man or a woman are anymore but societal views of gender roles seem to be about as strict as they've been since the 1950s. I feel like a lot of people who are coming out as trans, especially teenagers, would have been perfectly happy just being a man or woman in the 2000s.

But now gender non conformity has been pathologized, and people are being told that they need to "fix"themselves through medical intervention because it is no longer socially acceptable to call yourself a man or woman without playing along with the role that society says a man or woman needs to be in. The thing that really gets me is that it is mainly left wing people who are pushing this, these were the "pizza roles not gender roles" people 15 years ago who were the biggest advocates of accepting gender non conformity. They've done a complete 180 in what they believe and the worst part is they refuse to acknowledge this.

 

[Kumquat]

That's the UK though. The rest of the Anglosphere is deep into genderwang and it shows no signs of slowing down.

Just recently the Australian Sex Discrimination Commissioner (lol) literally claimed that "sex is broad enough to encompass the idea that a person's sex can be changed."

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I also think there is a disconnect between the ivory tower academics/public servants, and rank and file citizens. It doesn't matter if 70% of the population agree that troons are mentally ill and sex can't be changed if judges, peer reviewers, policy-makers, and board members for professional medical organizations have bought into it hook line and sinker.

But maybe I'm just blackpilled.

I don't think it's inevitable. Yes, a lot of judges and politicians are pushing policy on this, but the fact that they're doing this at all shows that they're trying to cover their bases and rush to defend this stuff. This genderqueer nonsense wasn't a topic of public conversation 10 years ago, but now it is. More scandals are popping up as a result of these policies, like trans-woman (i.e. male) sex-offenders being jailed with female inmates and knocking them up, men dominating women's sports, trans politicians being exposed as pathological sex-pests and creeps, schools with trans-bathroom policies covering up sex crimes in their schools, the list goes on. More and more these stories are coming out showing just how degenerate and ill-intentioned these trans people are.

US states like Kentucky and Tennessee both passed laws banning puberty blockers and hormones for children, and when the ACLU sued and tried to get them repealed, the 6th district court of appeals smacked them down and upheld the laws. Virginia just elected its first right-wing governor in over a decade, and he ran specifically on a platform of parental rights and protecting kids from this trans cult. The Catholic diocese in Ohio just banned all LGBTQ+ propaganda in their schools. School boards in fucking California are passing new policies telling the schools they must inform parents of any changes in their child's behavior, including "gender transition."

Yes, a lot of leftist states and countries are passing laws to uphold all of this nonsense, but they are doing so as a reaction to the growing anti-trans sentiment among the populace. I firmly believe they are doing this because they know that the general population, by and large, are getting sick of this insanity. Politicians in many areas are now specifically making trans shit part of their platform, when they weren't doing so before. Maybe I'm being too optimistic, but I really think there's going to be a backlash. Most people didn't care about this tranny shit, because of a typical "I don't care, as long as it doesn't affect me" attitude, but more and more, the trannies are being exposed as the narcissistic, creepy sex-pests that they are, and people are starting to realize this. People are starting to realize that, actually, yes, this does affect you, and more importantly, it affects your children, and that is something that most people cannot ignore.

 

[AMHOLIO]

Maybe I'm being too optimistic, but I really think there's going to be a backlash.

Some kiwis think any expression of hope is too optimistic sometimes, even if the hope has some base in it. Others just rate you rainbows just because or lmao you ghey. Either way, optimisim may set one up for disappointment, but not always. It's good to have hope.

 

[Captain Confabulator]

It's good to have hope.

Genuinely agree. I like seeing people believing there is light on the other side of the tunnel. Hope is infectious and motivating.

 

[Jacques1194]

Some kiwis think any expression of hope is too optimistic sometimes, even if the hope has some base in it. Others just rate you rainbows just because or lmao you ghey. Either way, optimisim may set one up for disappointment, but not always. It's good to have hope.

I think for me its that trans issues are completely different compared to the civil rights movement and the gay movement.As much as trannies love to compare their rights to those two things, its not the same.The problem with trans rights is that its a movement where everyone has to play along and pretend the man in a dress is a woman, and if you dont think so, you're taking away their rights.Not even their own allies believe their own BS with "trans women are women, and trans men are men". because if that were true why do trannies bitch on reddit that no one wants to date them?Again maybe its me overdosing on optimism, but i cant see the trans movement surviving unless the powers that be brainwashes the entire world into believing in trans ideology.Honestly, the only "black pill" someone can share with me is how many teenagers online are obsessed with trans stuff, and how many are getting "gender affirming care".However, maybe the teens online are just a vocal minority, and its a fad for most teens?Maybe for those who put non binary or gender fluid will grow out of it once adulthood reaches?Again we'll have to wait and see.

 

[Aunt Carol]

I think for me its that trans issues are completely different compared to the civil rights movement and the gay movement.As much as trannies love to compare their rights to those two things, its not the same.

The frustrating thing is that there's no definition for "trans rights," now that they've folded in "non-binary."

They at least had a case for "a tiny amount of males want to be women, if they do XYZ let them join the pre-existing category of 'woman' with certain accommodations." Right or wrong, there was a goal and a focus. Everyone knows this person was male, but they're able to keep the crazy down in public, so nobody bother them for wearing a dress and let them change in the handicapped locker.

Non-binary is setting up a category that has never previously existed, with inclusion criteria that change definition along with what the actual goals of passing/inclusion/honor are. Picking non-binary is writing yourself a blank check to be "offended" and coddled forever because there's no win condition.

Meanwhile, the lines are blurring for the "binary trans" people. I want to see some sweat equity, damnit. Not "I'll only respect you if you 100% pass," just that if you claim to feel "like a woman" to a life-ruining extent, why doesn't it show in behavior and grooming? Why are "real men" behaving like the absolute worst whiny, feigned incompetence, external-locus-of-control women?

Unpopular opinion here, but I could handle the occasional "transwoman" the same as I'm fine with a few "charming local eccentrics" in a medium-sized city. But the trans movement is telling me that all the run-of-the-mill street-masturbating meth bums are charming local eccentrics, and that's not true.

There's no one authority, no troon NAACP, just hundreds of different organizations, "organizers," and corporate marketing divisions, each with a different goal and set of definitions. A society can work with a handle of outliers, but if everyone's special and category-defying, at some point it makes sense to stop having categories.

 

[Manat]

The eagerness and tenacity Estrogen inspires in troons is so bizarre. Like junkies without the actual addiction.

 

[Wallace]

The frustrating thing is that there's no definition for "trans rights," now that they've folded in "non-binary."

This is a feature, not a bug. It allows them to tailor the definition of 'trans rights' to whatever they need it to be at the moment to win an argument or evade criticism. A bit of rhetorical sleight of hand with a term that has a very malleable definition. See, for example, Motte and Bailey.

The eagerness and tenacity Estrogen inspires in troons is so bizarre. Like junkies without the actual addiction.

Imagine the cool fashion accessory or tech gadget that all your friends have, with the bonus that this thing will cure all of your anxiety and depression over your body image issues by magic and allow you to ascend to a higher state of being. Also, disagreeing means that you're a closeted transphobe. I'm telling you, TicTacs in pink and blue gel capsules.

 

[AMHOLIO]

A society can work with a handle of outliers, but if everyone's special and category-defying, at some point it makes sense to stop having categories.

But Aunt Carol, how will people knoe that I'm not only special but more equally special than others?

And turns out leaving a bunch of mentally ill people to create their own movement without supervision can be dangerous - this is strangely not always the case for people who have mood disorders and anxieties usually do alright since they have better coping mechanisms and don't want their lives to be consumed by it, but this is like leaving ana-chans alone to create the pro-anorexia movement but then telling them it's a good thing .

If a trans person understands the difference in biology between their chosen and birth gender means something and are focused on being a person rather than being the trans, they're usually people I can be cool with. They also have to not be obsessed with porn and sex, which is the bigger hurdle than having a loose identity you're propping up with troonism.

 

[Jacques1194]

The frustrating thing is that there's no definition for "trans rights," now that they've folded in "non-binary."

Honestly, i think the trans movement destroyed itself because there's way too many contradicting points they've made that i think the majority of people are confused as to what it means to be trans.With those claiming someone have gender dysphoria are true trans to then saying "You dont have to have dysphoria to be trans.".To going back and forth between claiming they're not changing sex but genders, and then turning around ,and claiming they're actually changing their sex.Its like nobody can keep up with the different claims that they're making.To add the cherry on top, they took it too far going after kids, and making autistic ones believe they're trans.(literally have never once met a person who didn't claim to be both trans and has autism.)If the entire movement was just "Leave people who want to dress like the opposite sex alone and dont discriminate against them." then they'd have a claim that many could get behind.But no they literally took things to crazy levels.

 

[Aunt Carol]

And turns out leaving a bunch of mentally ill people to create their own movement without supervision can be dangerous - this is strangely not always the case for people who have mood disorders and anxieties usually do alright since they have better coping mechanisms and don't want their lives to be consumed by it, but this is like leaving ana-chans alone to create the pro-anorexia movement but then telling them it's a good thing .

It's kind of like the difference between mentally ill people, and social media "mentally ill" people (or physically ill, for that matter). Is the goal coping and thriving and guaranteeing access to a couple of reasonable accommodations, or is the goal attention, ass-pats and free stuff?

The baffling thing to me is that the (US) government, that slow-moving beast that still demands some legal documents must be faxed, is suddenly up-to-the-minute with the newest, most cutting-edge identities. Shouldn't that be more concerning to people? Why are teachers using globes that are a few iterations of Africa (or Asia) behind, but they can easily access modules that take a side in last week's Twitter revelation about gender?

 

[Not A Bunny]

I've said it before and I'll say it again.

I have no idea how they ever thought this would turn out.

You can't unleash unbridled hostility on people and then expect them to not be sick of it after a while. Particularly when your movement consists almost entirely of people telling you to shut up and accept things, and not think too hard about them.

In fact, the worst cucks in this situation are always like, "I don't have to understand it, just accept it."

No, you stupid fucking nonce. That's what authoritarian assholes want you to do. They just want you to lay down on your stomach, take it up the ass, and be grateful for the opportunity.

That's why I don't accept non-binary as a thing. Because you're wearing the skin of being trans, while literally doing nothing except telling people that your head says it disagrees with your body about reality. I realize that reality says that you're kind of a trainwreck in the looks department and you probably started calling yourself non-binary so people would stop giving you shit about not being as hot as you wish you could be, but the sun will still rise in the east no matter who claims it's the moon, and whatever you have in your pants is what you are, not what a doctor "assigned" you to be.

The fucking linguistic gymnastics on the word "assignment" or for that matter "affirming". I could spend hours on those two delusions.

 

[Manat]

Imagine the cool fashion accessory or tech gadget that all your friends have, with the bonus that this thing will cure all of your anxiety and depression over your body image issues by magic and allow you to ascend to a higher state of being. Also, disagreeing means that you're a closeted transphobe. I'm telling you, TicTacs in pink and blue gel capsules.

DON'T CALL ME A CLOSETED TRANSPHOBE! I don't think it's possible for me to be more openly transphobic

It's just ridiculous to see troons claim to feel better after injecting a substance with almost zero mood elevating effects for males. A hot cup of tea will have a better effect on their mood.

That's why I don't accept non-binary as a thing.

 

[TruffleSpark]

The eagerness and tenacity Estrogen inspires in troons is so bizarre. Like junkies without the actual addiction.

I'd love to see an actual double blind study where one group of troons get estrogen and one group gets a placebo. I think the reason troon science never uses control groups is because deep down they know what the results of such an experiment would be.