Off-Topic Random Trans Thoughts, Musings, and Questions - For all your armchair psych and general sperging

Basically, I was able to clock this guy without ever seeing his face, hearing his voice or even knowing his name. This got me thinking that a lot of troons want to have their cake and eat it too. On the one hand, they're totes 100% valid uwu females trapped in male bodies, but at the same time they mysteriously seem to engage only with more typically male-brained activities (animation, music production, video games, anime, card/table top games etc).
They're manchildren who are either unhinged porn-induced fetishists or were groomed by fandom spaces into developing AGP and trooning out. In the first case, the coom has precedence over everything else, so they don't bother to apply logic or sensibility to their behaviour (many, but not all, manchildren are awful porn addicts because their overall lack of maturity can prevent them from developing a healthy, loving sexuality). In the second case, note that the interests these people have are more nerdy/childish and not typical "masculine alpha male bro" interests like sports, hunting, and craft beer, which makes them feel "not like the other guys" (even though they're super malebrained, probably moreso than average men). They also have lots of Peter Pan syndrome and self-infantilization, which leads to poor hygiene and poor social skills. They are often reluctant about and scared of not being kids. The porn-addict troons then sell these men their pornified, misogynistic idea of women -- that women are lesser adults than men, aka Alpha Chads, and that men who aren't Alpha Chads are weak/gay/feminine -- and the nerd troons take it as a way to avoid growing up, even if they're not fetishistic about it at first. They develop AGP through things like egg cracking memes (which, after seeing what Bubba Copeland posted, I'm convinced is softcore sissy hypno) and recontextualize their poor hygiene and social habits as "dysphoria", which gives them all the reason they need to troon out.
 
My question for all troons out there is simply this: whence cometh the 'female brain'? I'm not saying real women can't, shouldn't or don't do animation/play video games etc. but the proof of the pudding is in the fact that I could tell that this guy was a troon based off of a single word in his YouTube channel description.

How is it that these people can claim to 'feel' like women when in terms of behaviour, appearance, sexuality, anatomy and interests they're indistinguishable from normal men? How do they reconcile this? When they say shit like 'I know I'm a woman because I feel like I'm one', what the fuck are they basing that off, exactly?

Dang, @Sailor Troon beat me to the punch (good answer btw) but I'll add my two cents nevertheless. As with most questions relating to gender ideology, you'll get a slightly different answer depending on which trans person in particular you ask. Much of the rhetoric surrounding gendered brains is obfuscating almost by design - as if the intent is that outsiders encounter a dozen slightly different versions of the same belief, assume the topic is too complex for their benighted cis minds to grasp, and leave the troons alone.

A lot of it is simply confirmation bias. You, a (presumably) rational observer, might see a male person engaging in exclusively male-dominated hobbies and fail to understand how they could ever claim to "feel like a woman"; however, these people are merely looking for evidence to support an existing belief. Being male causes them discomfort (because of their dysphoria/autism/lack of typical masculinity), but they do like the idea of being female (because they hate themselves/are attracted to men/it makes them rock hard), so they must be women since gender logic dictates that your true gender is whatever feels correct.

It's up to them to figure out how that makes sense, so they'll take their lifelong inability to fit in with other guys, or distaste for sports, or the one time they pretended to be a girl on the Internet at age twelve, as incontrovertible proof that they possess a Divine Female Essence or somesuch - disregarding their masculine interests and personality traits as an unavoidable result of the male socialisation that was forced upon them. Place yourself in the mind of a troon and it almost seems logical: if you brought up a real girl as if she were male, she'd take on certain masculine qualities too, right? I'm only into strategy games and Marvel comics and World War II heavy artillery weapons because I was raised with the expectation that I'd be into these things. (Cue enormous sperg about how women can participate in their hobbies too and you're a misogynist for apparently claiming otherwise.)

It's also not uncommon for (typically transmedical-leaning) troons to assert that trans people's brains are actually wired differently in accordance with the opposite sex as an appeal to common sense - as far as I'm aware, there is no solid evidence for this claim, so it really amounts to the same "gender essence" nonsense with a scientific coat of paint. Ask five trans people what gender actually is and you'll end up with six different answers. It's a collection of stereotypes, but also it's innate to every person, but also it's a secret other thing that you need to be trans to understand. Don't expect it to make sense.
 
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A lot of it is simply confirmation bias. You, a (presumably) rational observer, might see a male person engaging in exclusively male-dominated hobbies and fail to understand how they could ever claim to "feel like a woman"; however, these people are merely looking for evidence to support an existing belief. Being male causes them discomfort (because of their dysphoria/autism/lack of typical masculinity), but they do like the idea of being female (because they hate themselves/are attracted to men/it makes them rock hard), so they must be women since gender logic dictates that your true gender is whatever feels correct.

It's up to them to figure out how that makes sense, so they'll take their lifelong inability to fit in with other guys, or distaste for sports, or the one time they pretended to be a girl on the Internet at age twelve, as incontrovertible proof that they possess a Divine Female Essence or somesuch - disregarding their masculine interests and personality traits as an unavoidable result of the male socialisation that was forced upon them. Place yourself in the mind of a troon and it almost seems logical: if you brought up a real girl as if she were male, she'd take on certain masculine qualities too, right? I'm only into strategy games and Marvel comics and World War II heavy artillery weapons because I was raised with the expectation that I'd be into these things. (Cue enormous sperg about how women can participate in their hobbies too and you're a misogynist for apparently claiming otherwise.)

It's also not uncommon for (typically transmedical-leaning) troons to assert that trans people's brains are actually wired differently in accordance with their biological sex as an appeal to common sense - as far as I'm aware, there is no solid evidence for this claim, so it really amounts to the same "gender essence" nonsense with a scientific coat of paint. Ask five trans people what gender actually is and you'll end up with six different answers. It's a collection of stereotypes, but also it's innate to every person, but also it's a secret other thing that you need to be trans to understand. Don't expect it to make sense.
You know i had a TIP confess that there is no "male or female brain", but he instead said that trans women's brains are wired similarly or identical to cis women's brains.To that i have to ask "If there's no such thing as male or female brains then how can TIMs brains be wired similarly to cis womens"?In fact, every time i get articles arguing about trans brains the article fails to mention what exactly it means.What i mean is what characteristics do female brains have that TIMS also have?Are you more incline to be nurturing, emotional, like wearing dresses?What?If its not about stereotypes like those (like some TRAs insist) then what is it then?I know some will say its about identity, and yet cis women never identify as women, they were always women because they were born female.Also if its about brain structure then how would for example a gender fluid person's brain be wired similarly to both men and women?That wouldn't even make sense.
 
They develop AGP through things like egg cracking memes (which, after seeing what Bubba Copeland posted, I'm convinced is softcore sissy hypno) and recontextualize their poor hygiene and social habits as "dysphoria", which gives them all the reason they need to troon out.
I found Xploshi's callout post.

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>you will moan like a sissy femboy bitch
Definitely not a fetish.
I don't want to derail this thread anymore but shit like this just proves your point
 
Also if its about brain structure then how would for example a gender fluid person's brain be wired similarly to both men and women?
It means they're only color blind when the fluid in their brains hits the male portion, obviously.
 
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The instant I read that one 4 letter word, I immediately thought the word 'troon'. I checked out his Twitter to confirm my suspicion and sure enough:
Let's be fair, you were already subconsciously primed due to his use of a stereotypically feminine cartoon avatar and associating it with the branding of the whole channel. It's an even easier way to clock the more ''creative oriented'' troons.
 
See that's my assumption, since most pooners I know of were fujos until the mind virus hit. But fucking every time someone mentions pooners all I hear is "they're molestation victims dude" and I've never fucking seen any evidence to back this up.
it's more that it's young women refuting the overly sexualized perception of women in day to day life
the complete objectification and denial of human rights. it scares them and wishes that they be as loving and strong and not dehumanized as their gay material

tif's actually via some medical study on pubmed or whatever, you can find it easily, finds that tif's actually have a higher than normal autism rate than the general population
 
it's more that it's young women refuting the overly sexualized perception of women in day to day life
the complete objectification and denial of human rights. it scares them and wishes that they be as loving and strong and not dehumanized as their gay material

tif's actually via some medical study on pubmed or whatever, you can find it easily, finds that tif's actually have a higher than normal autism rate than the general population
The fact that troons of both genders have autism isn't remotely surprising. But the "refuting the overly sexualized perception of women in day to day life" seems like bullshit to me. That sounds like marxist feminist bullshit. Is there any research behind it?
 
The fact that troons of both genders have autism isn't remotely surprising. But the "refuting the overly sexualized perception of women in day to day life" seems like bullshit to me. That sounds like marxist feminist bullshit. Is there any research behind it?
The problem is that no one wants to reseach troons. We talked about this in other threads where if you do a study that doesn't kiss ass to the trans powers that be, they'll ree and either you get no funding or your study buried. I'd ask the troon research paper thread tbh.


From my observations as a former tumblrina, here's what causes nonbinaries and ftm:
  • Attention. This one is most easy to observe, we are on the farms and we document people like this often because they refuse to shut the fuck up.
  • Fear of not conforming to their friend group and being the one cishet that js evil. Usually for more black and white thinkers, these tend not to go father than NB or only are trans online.
  • Fear of a changing body. Puberty sucks. Guys don't like it, girls don't like it. When your scent and sweat is changing (meaning you need to shower more), your clothes aren't fitting as well and you need bras so men don't leer at your nipples and not take you seriously, and your uterus hates you every 24-28 days, girls have a fucking hard time. More teen girls troon out because they fear puberty and hate the changes their body goes through. It's not all of them of course: others have different outlets of self hate, a lot are helped by family and not taken in by the cult of trans, but the ones who are the combination of online + mentally ill + hanging out with trans friends + parents who aren't aware trans hurts in the long run, you get this crap.
  • Body hating disorders crop up a lot amongst trans men and enbies. Who would have thought that a condition you could opt into to cut more things off would be full of ana chans?
  • Mental illness that leaves people with identity issues are huge here. The worst is Borderline Personality disorrder and Narcissists, but there's other conditions where a girl or women can have a tenuous grasp on identity. Disorders that induce disassociation and sometimes even medication not connecting brain to body are a problem. Hell, it also comes at peak identity crisis times: when you're a teen and trying to figure yourself out and when you're a young adult who has no idea what they want to do with themselves. Just like men, these are prime times for cults to strike and irrigain their mentality in them at crucial points in their life, screwing them up.
  • Self hating lesbianism does crop up.
  • Self hating straight women with gay men comfort fetishes are more populous though. Yaoi is one hell of a drug for some insane women.
  • The quieter enbies and trans men tend to be generally shy and anxious mentally ill women. They don't want to create conflict and tend to hide on the edges of nerd groups. These kind I find more often, but that's because I'm a female nerd so our interest overlap often and they end up just being quite passive. Some have trauma, but not sexually, just too afraid that they won't be taken seriously as women and too afraid to become men, they just want to be human. Or they hate their mom's concept of femininity so much (usually because their mom is batshit) they switch to being men and try to stealth as much as possible. The enbies in particular are people I've met irl and none of them have the heart to correct boomers and random people on their pronouns unless they feel comfortable asking politely, they're self aware and you likely won't detect they're nonbinary because of presenting as slightly androgynous women everywhere but online. The FtMs are clockable but less so if you don't know what you're looking for, they pray to stay stealth. Since I'm friends with this type, I have big sadness on it but know these women are hidden amongst the lolcow crowd since they're the type who don't stand up, just try to blend in.
  • Lastly, sexual assault can be a traumatic factor. These women tend to keep to the reddits where they're surrounded by other women and talk about it more there, and kiwifarmers who browse reddit for lulz looking at the ftm subreddit where the ones traumatized tend to stick to and confess what happened to them there stick in said farmers' minds since it does come up often enough there. A lot of farmers are human and have sympathy, so they're more likely to be a bit defensive if they read and look into crazy ftms often enough. It's hard not to be, but reducing it to the "only cause" is ridiculous.
TL;DR: endless amount of causes, don't do cults kids.
 
Are pooners seriously the result of sexual abuse? I know several pooners IRL and they weren't abused but I keep seeing this claim made, especially by people like Jersh. Has there been a study on this? Any proof?
I only know of one TIF who was groomed online twice(and also has autism).It got so bad to the point where people had to tell her to get the fuck off the internet and do a hobby.Thankfully though she got a summer job and (at least in the server i'm in.) she's appeared less often than before.From my observation with TIFs, everyone i know has other mental illness like AMHOLIO states.One TIF i knew not only has autism but she admitted that she has schizophrenia and other mental health issues.Another TIF i knew identified as non binary, and once again had autism.She also claimed to be dyslexic and had this weird obsession with putting a star in front of every sentence she typed.The only TIF that i'm unsure about (since she's private) only admitted that puberty made her cry, and suicidal which yeah puberty sucks for girls but i feel there's more to her trans identity than hating puberty.
 
Earlier this year I wrote in one of the threads on the Stinkditch that some troons can be alright if they can at least take a joke about themselves and so on. After a stark personal reminder that stereotypes exist for a reason I feel I must apologize to fellow Farmers and reiterate a phrase I once read here -- "You can have someone be a mental case and not identify as a troon, but you cannot have troon without them being a mental case".

Some might and can come off as alright, but it seems that at the end of the day it's only a matter of how long it'll take for their true sociopathic self to shine through.
 
Kind of stupid how "gender nonconformity" mostly means aesthetics. I'd argue that women who became soldiers and went out and killed people, all while presenting as bog standard women, were far more gender nonconforming that women who work at Starbucks but have short hair and stupid piercings.
Dang, @Sailor Troon beat me to the punch (good answer btw) but I'll add my two cents nevertheless. As with most questions relating to gender ideology, you'll get a slightly different answer depending on which trans person in particular you ask. Much of the rhetoric surrounding gendered brains is obfuscating almost by design - as if the intent is that outsiders encounter a dozen slightly different versions of the same belief, assume the topic is too complex for their benighted cis minds to grasp, and leave the troons alone.
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You are correct, inconsistent internal logic is a feature not a bug.
 
Kind of stupid how "gender nonconformity" mostly means aesthetics. I'd argue that women who became soldiers and went out and killed people, all while presenting as bog standard women, were far more gender nonconforming that women who work at Starbucks but have short hair and stupid piercings.
I'm starting to think that this type of genderino exist because they can't handle the fact that they cry so much and self contemplate so hard on their own self that they can't be women. Like the dunning kruger of psychological awakenings.
 
Earlier this year I wrote in one of the threads on the Stinkditch that some troons can be alright if they can at least take a joke about themselves and so on. After a stark personal reminder that stereotypes exist for a reason I feel I must apologize to fellow Farmers and reiterate a phrase I once read here -- "You can have someone be a mental case and not identify as a troon, but you cannot have troon without them being a mental case".

Some might and can come off as alright, but it seems that at the end of the day it's only a matter of how long it'll take for their true sociopathic self to shine through.
Repressing their mental illness is called masking. Some of them are good at it until they snap, most don't bother.
 
I still find it so bizarre how the atheist left has embraced transgenderism.Not every atheist is like this, but how do these people justify transgenderism in a naturalism world?Where did the concept of gender identity come from when we evolved into homo sapiens, and why?Most TRA supporting atheist believe we need to stop trans kids from committing suicide, and that they aren't mentally ill in their delusions.Yet religious people have argued that the lack of god has caused suicide rates to go up, and they usually link studies that claim religion improves mental health and people's well being, along with decreases suicide rates, but atheists would never use that to justified teaching religion in public schools.What exactly gives here?How do you justify playing into the delusions of someone who believes they're the opposite sex because to not to would make them commit suicide, but if a religious kid becomes depress, and suicidal because he thinks god doesn't exist then these same atheist supporting TRAs would tell them "That's tough, but you need to grow up.".
 
I still find it so bizarre how the atheist left has embraced transgenderism.Not every atheist is like this, but how do these people justify transgenderism in a naturalism world?
Three answers:

1. They're just anti-Christian edgelords. Christians hate it? I like it. Simple as.

2. They're honest to goodness are not thinking it through. They assume it's like having the gay: you are gay, you just happen to be that way due to biology, you are not hurting anyone, you are naturally you. Of COURSE they haven't looked at the trans narrative, it's just gay plus to them. Or even a medical thing. They did no reasearch into doctors proving that dysphoria exists, they didn't do research into what is the best treatment, they didn't learn how transitioning works aside from some very broad strokes and definitely not what they do to your genitals and side effects of meds... they're passionate atheists, not passionate medical students or passionate critical thinking.
Trans people don't come up much IRL. The actual percentage of trans people affecting IRL atheists who go outside is slim outside public apperances and gatherings, if that. Most people only start being troonsphobic when they begin to encounter them. If you are a critical thinker, it either might not come up IRL or you fear hurting an "underdog", even if they don't realize they're not. It's hard if you don't have communities to talk about it (or have to use *shudders* Kiwi Farms...)


3. The athesists types of the past are the troons of today. Atheists are likely nerds. Nerds go to troons. End of story.
 
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