Off-Topic Random Trans Thoughts, Musings, and Questions - For all your armchair psych and general sperging

[Snuckening2]

Men and women, when young and healthy, both produce estrogen and testosterone... Therefore, describing transgender HRT as "wrong-sex hormones" is incorrect

Technically true. But "Wrong-sex hormones" still LESS incorrect than the standard term of "Hormone Replacement Therapy".

The term "HRT" was originally an ACCURATE description of the estrogen given to menopausal women, when it literally IS "replacing" her natural hormones. Troons just appropriated that term, implying that the same hormones, when given to men, are somehow just "replacing" their natural hormone levels. Which I think is far MORE misleading, and feeding into "gender" ideiology's weird assumption that mtf's were "born in the wrong body", and were somehow "meant to" have female traits, including female hormone levels.

If there's some other, third term that's more accurate than both "HRT" and "wrong-sex hormones", that may be a better alternative.

But as it is, we only have those two options

 

[Adrenochrome Dreams]

Honestly, has the troon movement made anyone more homophobic? I wouldn't call myself literally homophobic because I've dated/slept with other women. And I don't care if someone else is gay. Yet just like people blame feminism for troons, I see so much of the push from troons as extending from the gay rights movement/general push to make gays a part of everyday life.

I know the response is "it's because gay rights orgs were captured by troon ideologues after gay marriage was won to keep fundraising, etc", many everyday gays/lesbians hate troons for trying to force them to have sex with them, etc etc.

And yet...
for instance they just announced a gay character on Bluey (show I enjoy with my nieces) and I wish they hadn't? First step to introducing a troon character to the kids, etc.

A little bit, but only against male gays. There seems to be a lot more trans-pushing among faggots than lesbians. (Though I do recognize the efforts of Gays Against Groomers and other good gays). Meanwhile lesbians have been victimised.

Also, I don't think that lesbians have ever caused any major societal problems, unlike faggots.

While there are many upstanding and accomplished faggots, perverts are severely over-represented among them. I don't care if it's between consenting adults, the things they get up to are serious disease risks that spread to the wider community non-sexually, such as any disease spread by the fecal-oral route (including incurable intestinal parasites), and anything bloodborne. Also bisexual men giving HIV to their wives and girlfriends.

Also, if we're honest, there seems to be a higher rate of paedophiles among faggots than straight men.

I actually think that lesbians have long suffered from being associated with faggots, because straights wrongly assume that lesbians are gays' counterparts and therefore must be equivalently deviant.

 

[Jacques1194]

I've said before that it is fucking weird how this has become the big central issue with the modern left. Because trans ideology seems to contradict a lot of what the left traditionally has claimed to believe in. The people who act like JK Rowling is Hitler 2.0 probably agree with her on basically everything except this one issue. Is there any other issue that the left is willing to draw a line in the sand on like this? I saw most of the left bargain away a lot of what it claimed to believe in to justify supporting Biden in 2020. Would they have done the same thing if Biden had said TWAM? Him opposing universal healthcare and supporting Israel weren't deal breakers, but maybe that would be.

I dont believe liberal voters will oppose Biden if he came out and said TWAM.While trannies will probably not vote at all, handmaidens and TRAs will probably try to hold onto hope that he "educations" himself and gets back in line about it.You have to remember that these are the same people who are "Vote blue no matter who because orange man bad."Take a look at the U.K with their labor leader Keir Starmer.(Yeah he's no doubt lying about being against TIMs in women's sports)He came out against TIMs in women's sports, and even stated the biological difference between men and women, but I dont see it breaking a dent in terms of voting labor.

 

[CIA_Shillbot]

I dont believe liberal voters will oppose Biden if he came out and said TWAM.While trannies will probably not vote at all, handmaidens and TRAs will probably try to hold onto hope that he "educations" himself and gets back in line about it.You have to remember that these are the same people who are "Vote blue no matter who because orange man bad."Take a look at the U.K with their labor leader Keir Starmer.(Yeah he's no doubt lying about being against TIMs in women's sports)He came out against TIMs in women's sports, and even stated the biological difference between men and women, but I dont see it breaking a dent in terms of voting labor.

In no race in the United States will a vocal support for troons and trooning be the factor that carries the day. Even many progressives, if they are being honest with you, will tell you they don't care about trans as a standalone political issue as a crutch with which to beat the chuds. The DNC could hand down Order 41% tomorrow and they wouldn't be the worse off for it in the slightest. Arguably they'd even be more competitive in several contested races.

Despite they're vast over-representation in just about every online community, troons make up a negligible fraction of the voting public. Even in local elections that can easily be decided by a few hundred votes, the actual troon/hard-core ally vote is irrelevant. Even if every single Troon who was eligible to vote showed up (which they wouldn't) and their votes all counted twice it would still probably not be worth it. Especially now that the GOP is successfully using anti-troonism as a strategy in many local elections. As the troons become a larger and larger liability, you'll start to see them pushed less and less. It's just not worth the headache.

The good news is that it does seem trends are moving in our direction. The bad news is that progress is slow and generally unsatisfying.

 

[Peaches the Wonder Cat]

In no race in the United States will a vocal support for troons and trooning be the factor that carries the day. Even many progressives, if they are being honest with you, will tell you they don't care about trans as a standalone political issue as a crutch with which to beat the chuds.

The troons tell handmaidens that first the FAR RIGHT is coming for DIY troonshine made for toddlers first, and the next step will be outlawing abortion and ushering in The Handmaid's Tale. It's insane and AWFL's buy it because they're midwits who are more scared of abortion being outlawed than being raped in women's bathrooms by men.

 

[Three Gorillion Dollars]

Saw a comment that was, paraphrasing, "Artists can tell what is AI art about as well as bigots claim to be able to spot transgender people" and... yeah, this keeps feeling like a bizarre psy op.

 

[Cherry Eyed Hamster]

This has been bugging me a lot lately and I felt like this was the best place to bring it up. I remember before COVID I was joking with a based friend about how trans people are going to assert that one can literally be born the opposite gender they truly are by saying they're intersex.

Well, look where we are now. There's a fucking intersex flag and they're trying to wedge it into the rainbow. The LGBT community may as well start co-opting downies if they want to mix chromosomal disorders with sexual preferences in the name of being "inclusive".

It's such an insult to intersex people. You don't elect to be intersex. It's a medical condition that can actually cause body dysmorphia, unlike the fetishistic bullshit trannies claim they have. There's also a rising crop of people who assert that a "third gender" exists and that intersex people prove that, which is also complete BS.

I feel like there should be a whole thread on how the LGBT latched onto intersex people as an accessory to their gender-politics and identities. It's such a strange, fucked-up rabbit hole.

 

[CIA_Shillbot]

The troons tell handmaidens that first the FAR RIGHT is coming for DIY troonshine made for toddlers first, and the next step will be outlawing abortion and ushering in The Handmaid's Tale. It's insane and AWFL's buy it because they're midwits who are more scared of abortion being outlawed than being raped in women's bathrooms by men.

Precisely. Hysterics aside it's their lake of value to the rest of the left that will ultimately facilitate that.

 

[AMHOLIO]

Saw a comment that was, paraphrasing, "Artists can tell what is AI art about as well as bigots claim to be able to spot transgender people" and... yeah, this keeps feeling like a bizarre psy op.

Wha...? I've seen many artists tell. And non artist. What???

 

[teriyakiburns]

Wha...? I've seen many artists tell. And non artist. What???

All this tells me is that troons might not actually be human.

 

[Jacques1194]

In no race in the United States will a vocal support for troons and trooning be the factor that carries the day. Even many progressives, if they are being honest with you, will tell you they don't care about trans as a standalone political issue as a crutch with which to beat the chuds. The DNC could hand down Order 41% tomorrow and they wouldn't be the worse off for it in the slightest. Arguably they'd even be more competitive in several contested races.

Despite they're vast over-representation in just about every online community, troons make up a negligible fraction of the voting public. Even in local elections that can easily be decided by a few hundred votes, the actual troon/hard-core ally vote is irrelevant. Even if every single Troon who was eligible to vote showed up (which they wouldn't) and their votes all counted twice it would still probably not be worth it. Especially now that the GOP is successfully using anti-troonism as a strategy in many local elections. As the troons become a larger and larger liability, you'll start to see them pushed less and less. It's just not worth the headache.

I've been wondering something.Does anyone believe that many leftists are getting deceived by the internet, and think the trans population is larger than what it really is?I go on twitter or Tiktok and I've seen pro trans posts that would get anywhere from 50k to some even getting 100k likes on it compared to gender critical posts.Mind you some of these aren't accounts of well known TRAs, these are random accounts that usually only have around 1k followers on there.Either trans people are just that vocal online to the point where a tiny minority (in the west) are that obsessed with themselves, or they're buying bots to make themselves out to be a larger population than what they are.Compare this to other groups(even in the west where they're a minority) like muslims who have over a billion people following the religion.I've never once seen a tweet like "Praise Allah" ever get over 10k likes on it, but if you typed in "Trans Women Are Women!" you can see tweets that get at least 10k likes on it.

 

[TheCrackMonkey]

There's also a rising crop of people who assert that a "third gender" exists and that intersex people prove that, which is also complete BS.

Kinda like how they claim ancient tribes in bumfuck nowhere also totally recognized more than two genders, when in reality it's almost always that tribe's version of the label "faggot".

 

[Cherry Eyed Hamster]

Kinda like how they claim ancient tribes in bumfuck nowhere also totally recognized more than two genders, when in reality it's almost always that tribe's version of the label "faggot".

Yeah and it’s always some shitass stone-age tribe that didn’t invent the wheel, have a written language, partake in metallurgy, or anything that would have made them a functioning society. I don’t understand why folks demonize the West but romanticize these primitive cultures, and make up bullshit facts about how “they were more advanced than hwhite people think because they recognized more than two genders!”

 

[TruffleSpark]

Yeah and it’s always some shitass stone-age tribe that didn’t invent the wheel, have a written language, partake in metallurgy, or anything that would have made them a functioning society. I don’t understand why folks demonize the West but romanticize these primitive cultures, and make up bullshit facts about how “they were more advanced than hwhite people think because they recognized more than two genders!”

Reminder that Matt Walsh actually did go and talk to the closest thing the modern world has to one of these tribes (outside of North Sentinel Island I guess) and it turns out that actually no, their beliefs do not align at all with Western bourgeois gender bullshit.

Woke Westerners love the abstract idea of the noble savage, not the actual reality of what these societies are like.

 

[AMHOLIO]

Reminder that Matt Walsh actually did go and talk to the closest thing the modern world has to one of these tribes (outside of North Sentinel Island I guess) and it turns out that actually no, their beliefs do not align at all with Western bourgeois gender bullshit.

Woke Westerners love the abstract idea of the noble savage, not the actual reality of what these societies are like.

It's like white nationalists chasing their white Christian utopia and black separatists longing for Wakanda. There's no perfect human society, all will have problems, and many of them will be the same problems other societies had because it turns out humans keep being human. Even then, pretending there is a mythical community out there that adores the troons is only possible if said community is fucking dead, like Mesopotamia.

 

[Tragi-Chan]

I dont believe liberal voters will oppose Biden if he came out and said TWAM.While trannies will probably not vote at all, handmaidens and TRAs will probably try to hold onto hope that he "educations" himself and gets back in line about it.You have to remember that these are the same people who are "Vote blue no matter who because orange man bad."Take a look at the U.K with their labor leader Keir Starmer.(Yeah he's no doubt lying about being against TIMs in women's sports)He came out against TIMs in women's sports, and even stated the biological difference between men and women, but I dont see it breaking a dent in terms of voting labor.

I can’t speak for the US, but you’re right about the UK. The fact is that for most people, troonery just isn’t an issue. If the economy was doing well and there were no real problems, maybe it would be. But right now, the country’s in the shit and at this point I think people would vote for Vlad the Impaler if he was running against the Tories. No one gives a shit about trannies when they can’t afford to heat their homes.

I think the government are trying to make trans people a thing for the electorate, purely because it’s one of the only issues where they can show progress and where they can make the other parties look stupid.

Reminder that Matt Walsh actually did go and talk to the closest thing the modern world has to one of these tribes (outside of North Sentinel Island I guess) and it turns out that actually no, their beliefs do not align at all with Western bourgeois gender bullshit.

Woke Westerners love the abstract idea of the noble savage, not the actual reality of what these societies are like.

I would guess the answer would be something about how colonialism has influenced them and something something Black people something decolonise something.

 

[retard strength II]

Is this also a tranny vent thread? I feel like the specific gen of kids that got groomed super early on Discord/Roblox must be reaching adulthood recently, I have seen four Mtfs out in service jobs lately which is very unusual where I live. They are so gross but I also feel bad for the ones that look real young, like they didn't even have time to live and be normal and have preteen/teenage/early college life and shenanigans. Just groomed straight into this nightmare shit.

Like yeah maybe some of them would have been porn sick and fell down adjacent or the same pipeline, or hit their 40s and let the AGP beast out no matter what, but fuck if they never had a chance to enjoy life and be anything else.

 

[Peepeepoopoo Witch]

If the Matrix were actually a tranny metaphor there would be no matrix. The characters are severely mentally ill, and the red pill is a powerful psychedelic. That would also be a more accurate portrayal of Gnosticism.

 

[Three Gorillion Dollars]

I've been wondering something.Does anyone believe that many leftists are getting deceived by the internet, and think the trans population is larger than what it really is?I go on twitter or Tiktok and I've seen pro trans posts that would get anywhere from 50k to some even getting 100k likes on it compared to gender critical posts.Mind you some of these aren't accounts of well known TRAs, these are random accounts that usually only have around 1k followers on there.Either trans people are just that vocal online to the point where a tiny minority (in the west) are that obsessed with themselves, or they're buying bots to make themselves out to be a larger population than what they are.Compare this to other groups(even in the west where they're a minority) like muslims who have over a billion people following the religion.I've never once seen a tweet like "Praise Allah" ever get over 10k likes on it, but if you typed in "Trans Women Are Women!" you can see tweets that get at least 10k likes on it.

There's a paradoxical aspect to it, I think.

To me, it's like this. "Praise Allah!" is scary. Muslims are scary. They have strange beliefs. They might be full on Sharia Law fundamentalists. A lot of people know Muslims and maybe have bad experiences with Muslims. 9/11. Honor killings. ISIS. Hitting like on a statement like that could mean anything, but it probably means it's not TwitterMarxist Etiquette or Reddit Euphoria Mindset.

But transpeople are a non-factor. Statistically, they're virtually irrelevant. A transperson says "trans women are women!" then you can just brainlessly hit like on it because you'll probably never meet one and the statement is so brainless and has none of the connotations that praising Allah does. And if someone complains, there's no power word online like TERF.

Also, they are incredibly vocal and outspoken in comparison to their actual numbers in any given online community. And the fact that the contemporary trans identity is basically an Internet-driven social group/mental illness means that any online post is going to do better than any other cause. I made a post a while back that I think is applicable:

Supporting some of the previous causes, like minority rights or gay marriage, had the nasty catch of requiring you to face up to the reality of that support. But trans rights? Tweet away, virtue signal all you want, talk about how hot you find whichever trans streamer you pick - because you'll never, ever have to meet one of them. Who cares if some kid ends up with brittle bones and sterile gonads. You'll never have to meet them either. The transgender population is something like half a percentage point. Even if you leave so many people mutilated and sterile, even if 41% of everyone you support goes on to kill themselves, who cares? You'll never meet them, and their pain will be something you only see on social media (actually, they'll be dead, so maybe you'll get one Tweet or forum post or Discord message and you'll go, damn, that sucks, and forget about it in two weeks.)

If you like Muslim stuff for social media clout, you're going to have to one day confront the reality of it. Didn't Philosophy Tube's MTF Muslim friend basically drop the Muslim cosplay the moment it got inconvenient?

All that said, they probably are buying bots because of how many trannies are wrapped up in IT. Also, most social media is used by kids, and I'd say they're more likely to accept a pro-trans post than a pro-Islam post.

 

[AMHOLIO]

Is this also a tranny vent thread?

All opinions and editorials encouraged, as long as you're not saying anything against forum rules or your opinion is "I would fuck trannies and here is my long list and or fanfiction why".