Off-Topic Random Trans Thoughts, Musings, and Questions - For all your armchair psych and general sperging

Here's a question to ask.If neuro science backs up TIPS arguments so much, how come i never hear of any of them claim that when they go to the doctor they confirm that their brain is trans?Every single time i see a thread on reddit, they just claim that they get diagnosed with gender dysphoria and start their transitioning.It's never"My doctor did a brain scan and it 100% confirmed that i have a lady brain".Wouldn't this actually help trans people so that there's no detrans people, and help doctors realize that maybe their problems are something else?Feels like more people need to call that out.
 
In /tttt/ and adjacent spaces, there's a story that goes around every now and then about a man named John, 50.
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The purpose of this is to brainworm younger (under 25) AGPs into thinking that their AGP will never go away and that they may as well transition now because if they don't, they'll be like John, 50 (who also happens to be the stereotypical translater hon /tttt/ users claim to hate). However, they don't realize that they can avoid the fate of John, 50 without transitioning if they stop being coomers. It says that John, 50 would masturbate up to 5 times a day, yet every troon who posts this story thinks that's normal.

Here's a question to ask.If neuro science backs up TIPS arguments so much, how come i never hear of any of them claim that when they go to the doctor they confirm that their brain is trans?Every single time i see a thread on reddit, they just claim that they get diagnosed with gender dysphoria and start their transitioning.It's never"My doctor did a brain scan and it 100% confirmed that i have a lady brain".Wouldn't this actually help trans people so that there's no detrans people, and help doctors realize that maybe their problems are something else?Feels like more people need to call that out.
Troons would cry over being genocided if something like this happened. Last year, a UK trans organization was going to have a scientist give a presentation stating that trans is a biological condition, but they were forced to shut it down because troons were afraid that it would be used to stop them from transitioning. Troons know that trans isn't a real thing, but they don't want that to get out because that would mean they would have to do the hard work of unlearning the fetish, overcoming the trauma, stopping the obsession, better managing the autism, and making beneficial changes to their lives. They don't actually want to do the hard work of solving their problems. They just want to call their problems "gender dysphoria" so that they can consoom surgeries/medication, hoping it will be a miracle cure.

When I first started going down the troon rabbit hole, I wondered why they didn't have brain scans to prove that they're trans, but I later realized that it's because they know trans isn't real and didn't want their made-up identity objectively disproven.
 
Just thinking about how you don't hear about sex creep male "feminists" as much as you did 10 years ago

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I guess trooning out proved to be a more effective form of aggressive mimicry for male sex pests.
Agreed. You don't hear as much about feminsim these days however, most is dropped in place of BIPOC or Gaytrans yelling instead - it's where the money is at. I wonder if lipstick alley or other sites where black women congregate have stories about men in their circles becoming male black feminist or if they trooned as well? Maybe there's a cultural difference in it too.
 
Agreed. You don't hear as much about feminsim these days however, most is dropped in place of BIPOC or Gaytrans yelling instead - it's where the money is at. I wonder if lipstick alley or other sites where black women congregate have stories about men in their circles becoming male black feminist or if they trooned as well? Maybe there's a cultural difference in it too.
It's insane how much women have fallen off in the official intersectionality power rankings. I've never called myself a "male feminist" because that's gay as shit, but I feel sorry for how women have been abandoned by their own allies. And I feel sorry for how many of them have been gaslit into going along with ceding ground to men in dresses who spend their spare time posting about how much they want to rape lesbians. At the risk of being *bioessentialist* I think one difference between the sexes is that women on average have more of a herd mentality than men. I can't see men agreeing to cede this much ground to their enemies. But so many women just go along with this crap. Handmaidens and troons are an abusive marriage playing out on a societal scale.
 
Whenever you just cut through the bullshit and look past the façade of "le soft dainty woman" or "mayunly mayun" that troons and pooners try to project, you see how deep down they embody the extreme negative stereotypes of their own sex. To borrow the progtard lingo - they embody toxic masculinity or femininity. Whenever troons get slighted, they become really confrontational and rage-filled, they air out their fantasies of beating the shit out of male nazi transphobes and violently raping those evil TERFs. Sometimes they take it a step further and actually engage in such violence. Pooners on the other hand are very manipulative, vain, catty and self-absorbed to an extreme degree. Unlike the extremely confrontational troon, the pooner withdraws from conflict to write very lengthy schizo screeds about her feewings, how they were hurt and how SOMEBODY NEEDS TO DO SOMETHING on the online platform of her choice.
 
Whenever you just cut through the bullshit and look past the façade of "le soft dainty woman" or "mayunly mayun" that troons and pooners try to project, you see how deep down they embody the extreme negative stereotypes of their own sex. To borrow the progtard lingo - they embody toxic masculinity or femininity. Whenever troons get slighted, they become really confrontational and rage-filled, they air out their fantasies of beating the shit out of male nazi transphobes and violently raping those evil TERFs. Sometimes they take it a step further and actually engage in such violence. Pooners on the other hand are very manipulative, vain, catty and self-absorbed to an extreme degree. Unlike the extremely confrontational troon, the pooner withdraws from conflict to write very lengthy schizo screeds about her feewings, how they were hurt and how SOMEBODY NEEDS TO DO SOMETHING on the online platform of her choice.
I heard someone refer to an MtF troon as a "misogynist in a dress" and it's accurate, no one hates women more than trannies.
 
So I had a thought. Everyone knows that child actors' lives tend to go badly once they age out of their child acting roles. There are plenty of exceptions, but it seems like the majority of former child stars later spiral down into drugs and violence. Suicide is not particularly uncommon either.

Given that these child actors suffer particular mental distress when they start to hit adolescence (potentially losing access to roles and a source of meaning in their lives), and given that this clearly poses a suicide risk, isn't it therefore a moral good to give child actors puberty blockers?

After all, puberty blockers are simply a pause button, and have no long-term side effects (anyone who says otherwise is a bigot who literally supports the Third Reich). So why not give them to child actors at puberty until their parents they feel like they are ready to move on?

(Some might object and say that the mental health problems suffered by child actors are due to exploitation and rampant sexual abuse in Hollywood, but those people are simply being childactorphobic.)
 
The lesbians who transition have a variety of reasons to do so but I think the invisibility of female homosexuals, the death of lesbian culture is a big part. Being a true and honest lezzie is actually very rare and not celebrated like gay men often are. If you are an non-porn lesbian or god forbid a butch the public wants nothing to do with you. They likely don't even believe you are homo.
But transition to a dood? Social media will finally look at you again.

I also feel a lot of bi women and possibly bi men in het relationships troon out in order not to lose the connection to LGBT. Because let's face it, bisexuals are always on thin ice in gay spaces and outright discouraged when dating the opposite sex. But change your gender and every relationship is kuhweer.
 
Whenever you just cut through the bullshit and look past the façade of "le soft dainty woman" or "mayunly mayun" that troons and pooners try to project, you see how deep down they embody the extreme negative stereotypes of their own sex. To borrow the progtard lingo - they embody toxic masculinity or femininity. Whenever troons get slighted, they become really confrontational and rage-filled, they air out their fantasies of beating the shit out of male nazi transphobes and violently raping those evil TERFs. Sometimes they take it a step further and actually engage in such violence. Pooners on the other hand are very manipulative, vain, catty and self-absorbed to an extreme degree. Unlike the extremely confrontational troon, the pooner withdraws from conflict to write very lengthy schizo screeds about her feewings, how they were hurt and how SOMEBODY NEEDS TO DO SOMETHING on the online platform of her choice.
Because deep down, they're actually incels.
 
Just thinking about how you don't hear about sex creep male "feminists" as much as you did 10 years ago

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I guess trooning out proved to be a more effective form of aggressive mimicry for male sex pests.
The cartoon male feminist looks like the pedophile Kochinski.
Is it supposed to be Vaush or is this just a coincidence?
It's got the same faggy man bun and everything.
 
I know this has probably been mentioned before, but why are their diets so terrible? You'd think they'd be doubling over in pain everyday with all the problems that wrong-sex hormones and terrible diets cause.
They are doubling over in pain every day, that's why so many of them are munchies with some vague idiopathic pain diagnosis that allows them to subsist on disability benefits.

People aren't allowed to make the same uproar like they did with Vatican and the church, they aren't allowed to hold members of the community
who enabled this in the first place accountable or they're labeled as bigots. They are expect to turn the other cheek, keep smiling and just go with the program.
In all fairness, the very first wave of people who raised issues with the Catholic Church were branded as anti-Catholic bigots (capitalizing on pro-Irish sympathy of the 60's - 90's). Maybe I'm too optimistic but I do truly believe the trans nonsense is a fad that will last maybe 20 more years and, after that, be looked at as one of those weird societal moments where we all kind of lost our minds, like the witch trials.

If there had always been the same number of trans people in the human population over time, and transgenderism wasn’t the result of social contagion and a number of highly specific social and economic factors in the 21st century west, wouldn’t there be lots of evidence of people committing suicide across all societies, times, and places because they couldn’t troon out?
The argument is that all documentation of trans people existing before the 20th century was kept in one (1) location, which was some random library that the Nazis burned down. So all human knowledge of trans existence through the ages was lost at the Library of Alex-Trandia which is why there's no evidence today.

Naturally people were furiously stating it's because AIDS wiped out the previous generations and I would agree that might be a factor for gay men but how does that account for lesbians and our friends the troons?
It wouldn't, and it also wouldn't account for gay people accounting for much less than 20% over 100 years ago since HIV wasn't a human virus before the mid-20th century. Those people are just retards.

The only way for transgenderism as an ideology falls is if they become more violent and aggressive towards leftist, but even then leftist have shown how stubborn they are with trans ideology.Literally a FtM killed children and the left double down on "Trans rights!".
Personally, I think the left will start turning away from the trans movement when the lolsuits hit trans clinics en masse in 5 - 10 years. The best things anyone--right or left--who wants to see the trans movement fail can do is to let it run its course like the illness it is and let the troons both sterilize and humiliate themselves into oblivion. It sucks if you feel bad for trans people, esp trans kids, but any effort to squash the movement just martyrizes them in the minds of social justice-minded people who see troonism as Advanced Gay and don't want to be bigoted like their parents were.

Let them MTFs dominate women's sports for a few years, and watch the public learn how ridiculous it is to have three refrigerator-bodied men standing on the winners' podium at every women's sports championship. Unleash the twittard trannies onto the public, and watch what happens when they lecture liberal soccer moms about how they should be able to fuck in public in front of their kids. The average liberal who is older than 35 (in other words, the main liberal voting population) isn't aware of how bad it's really gotten--let them learn for themselves and experience the consequences of supporting this movement.

I have a standing theory that being transgender means you're going to die a whole lot sooner than other people. Not even from self-deletion or the so-called tranny massacre that happens when people find out they've gone out with a tranny.

We're going to find out soon enough that telling your body to do what it precisely isn't programmed to do is probably going to cause serious bodily dysfunction. Your body probably has to work like a fucking horse to compensate for doing the things that it naturally isn't inclined to do.
Yes, and we should allow this to happen and take its course without taking pity on the trannies a few years from now. There will be lawsuits and hashtags and 60 minutes specials on how these poor souls were just mistreated by the medical industry, and the correct response to all of that will be that their problems are nobody's fault but their own.

Humans learned their lesson about playing God and not respecting nature with the sinking of the Titanic, then all those people died so they had to learn it again with the Challenger disaster, and now all those boomers are dying/retiring and this generation will learn with the trans bullshit, which will be far more devastating and widespread than any scientific/engineering disasters of the past. The cycle continues. Loss of life in the most retarded way possible is an unfortunate but necessary part of how humans keep learning the same lessons over and over again.
 
Yes, and we should allow this to happen and take its course without taking pity on the trannies a few years from now. There will be lawsuits and hashtags and 60 minutes specials on how these poor souls were just mistreated by the medical industry, and the correct response to all of that will be that their problems are nobody's fault but their own.
I agree with this for the ones that troon out as adults. The kids who are groomed into it are another story. They deserve all the sympathy in the world.
 
The best things anyone--right or left--who wants to see the trans movement fail can do is to let it run its course like the illness it is and let the troons both sterilize and humiliate themselves into oblivion.

Def agree with this. There's really not much we can do to stop the spread of troonism at this point. It's far too widespread, too ingrained in Western society, too effective at getting its hooks into people through social media and the like, for some sort of counter strategy to be productive. But this mass exposure will be what kills it in the end. After all, the ideology runs on social contagion, so once it reaches enough troubled teens, gays, lesbians, autists and incels, there'll be no more fuel left for the fire to burn.

IMO there's no big "trans agenda" we should be fighting - it's just mass delusion on a previously unseen scale facilitated by the internet and quack doctors, which will hopefully blow over soon. But never soon enough. Best thing we can do right now is try to peak our trans ally friends, because the trannies themselves are too far gone and can only come to their senses on their own.
 
The best things anyone--right or left--who wants to see the trans movement fail can do is to let it run its course like the illness it is and let the troons both sterilize and humiliate themselves into oblivion.
I think it's worth it to stop kids from sterilizing and mutilating themselves
and the correct response to all of that will be that their problems are nobody's fault but their own.
They're literally children
 
A couple of things which are probably interesting to Kiwis interested in Trans nonsense. It's all over my head so I don't have much to say.

First, a thread on r/medicine which has yet to be memory holed by the dogwalkers:

The Chen 2023 Paper Raises Serious Concerns About Pediatric Gender Medicine Outcomes
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A helpful TLDR from a commenter:
TL;DR:

OP is a child and adolescent psychiatrist who has seen a recent rapid increase in gender dysphoria diagnoses and transgender identities among youth patients.

OP initially thought this reflected greater awareness and acceptance, but over time became skeptical that gender dysphoria was actually this common, suspecting many cases represented different issues like identity disturbance or social difficulties.

Two recent studies (Chen 2023 and Tordoff 2022) have failed to show significant mental health benefits from gender affirming hormones (GAH) in teens, contradicting claims that benefits outweigh risks.

OP thinks the Chen study shows minimal effects and excludes concerning suicide data. The Tordoff study relies on the untreated group deteriorating over time, likely due to selective dropout.

OP concludes there is no evidence for short-term mental health benefits from GAH that outweigh risks. The affirmation approach may be harming dysphoric teens by affirming distressing beliefs like being "born in the wrong body."

OP argues gender affirming treatment should be held to the same standards of evidence as other areas of medicine. More data is needed, but current evidence does not support mental health benefits.

And secondly, a long Twitter thread about a study on the effects of estrogen on the male brain. Which partially explains why guys like Tony Reed and Al Carabello are such idiots.
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What legal protections and rights do we think Ts, and to a lesser extent QIA+s, will have in 10 or 20 years? Feels like momentum is swinging against them fairly strongly in some key areas. Feel free to elucidate with nation specific insights.

Now that we're seeing various u-turns on trans inclusion in sports (UK rowing in the last few days, following others including world athletics and swimming bodies) will there be any way back? In the cases where these moves precede further research, is there any way said research could actually allow a degree of participation in a sport that is otherwise sex-segregated? Are trans men (i.e. women on testosterone) going to be fucked because of possible advantages of testosterone even in an open category? Will all of this attention have an impact on intersex athletes?

It wasn't the only factor but the male rapist in a women's prison absolutely seems to have contributed to unseating a fairly respected if stale politician in Nicola Sturgeon. The reality of the more egregious stuff is becoming toxic. Labour rowing back, can see more infighting from the Greens etc. More gender neutral spaces a possible compromise, just as they might be for bathrooms?

Will conversion therapy be banned, as even the Tories have made noises towards over the years? Or will there be an understanding that gender exploratory therapy may actually be less physically and psychologically demanding than trying to convert a male person to a facsimile of a female person (or vice versa, or just cutting off healthy body parts in the pursuit of a Tumblr aesthetic)?

I find myself increasingly thinking these sincerely held but unevidenced beliefs could reasonably enjoy similar protections to religious views, which I'm sure would satisfy none of them, not least because they wouldn't like being labelled under a framework they disagree with. But what would a cis man know about that? Could only be bad news for them in terms of pronouns being respected. NHS website says they don't do circumcisions for religious reasons so not sure it would bode well for penis inversions and arm rolls.

The longer versions of the LGBT acronym are so clumsy I didn't even notice I got the order wrong in my name when I signed up
 
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