Off-Topic Random Trans Thoughts, Musings, and Questions - For all your armchair psych and general sperging

[Generic Anime Girl]

It's weird how at most FtM pooners are awkward and can be mocked with those lil pooner memes while troons can be straight up dangerous incels. Says a lot more about men than women.

 

[ConsentAccidentVictimNo98]

I used to be a big believer in "if it isn't harming others, people should be allowed to do it." The trans movement is exactly what got me to change my mind. Trooning out self destructive for the people who do it, I wouldn't have used to have cared about that. But because of the social contagion aspect the mere act of trooning out encourages self harm in others. So even the "good" trannies who aren't grooming minors on discord and sending rape threats to lesbians are causing harm. Because by showing that they can transition they are planting the idea in the heads of others that they could also transition.

Yeah, the idea of the harm principle only works in the instant. People often say "oh noooo the slippery slope is a fallacy" and this is mostly true, the problem with the harm principle is that it naturally does not take into the account the butterfly affect and precedent. What happens if we get a scenario in which we get harm either way? Do we take a standard utilitarian approach and try to calculate the potential utility behind said acts. It really is something for which does not last as either way we are to be assuming harm of some form to occur. The unknown, unknowns are what destroy it.

 

[Space Police]

I find it funny that trannies love to claim Ray Blanchard is an evil transphobe who invented the concept of AGP to smear trannies as predators (they do that themseves lol) and gatekeeps AGPs out by saying only HSTSs are "true trans", even though that's not the case. If you read what Blanchard says, he strongly advocates for AGPs transitioning and believes AGP is an inborn sexual orientation (take that with a grain of salt, though -- Blanchard believes the same thing about pedophilia and has officially praised the Virtuous Pedophiles organization, which is basically modern NAMBLA). This isn't to mention that one of Blanchard's close clinical associates, "Anne" Lawrence, is a self-admitted AGP tranny himself.

I think the reasons troons act the way they do about the concept of AGP is because they know acknowledging AGP forces them to admit they are full-time, body-modified transvestites. They know that being a transvestite is a fetish, not a sexual orientation, and they know that most people are aware of this fact. So they decided to go the route of saying that they're acting in a way congruent with their "inborn gender identity" they had but repressed since they were kids, and from that arose the idea of "trans kids". There's a reason TRAs are going hard on the "protect trans kids" line, and that's because if they can say they're the same as these GNC kids, they can get pity and not be hated. However, now that most people are seeing child transition for what it is, we can expect plenty of AGPs to go to the "AGP is a sexual orientation" rhetoric. They're already sneaking in similar rhetoric for pedophilia.

By the way, AGP can't be a sexual orientation by definition because it doesn't define the sex(es) to which one is attracted. I don't think most AGPs would have AGP if not for porn and/or chronic masturbation. I don't think medical transition would even be a thing if not for porn and sexualization since GNC men would just be GNC without calling themselves women or trying to look like women.

Finally, I'm worried that the emergence of detransition fetishes won't do anything to help detransitioners. With the big detrans wave coming, I can see lots of male ex-troons figuring out some way to eroticize it so that they just have to stop the hormones and not deal with the underlying porn/sex addiction that led to them transitioning. I can also see lots of ex-pooners getting hurt since they're the main targets in detransition fetishes currently and go down the path of bimbofication/tradwifery without addressing the underlying internalized misogyny that got them to poon out to begin with.

 

[ConsentAccidentVictimNo98]

As the gender identity clinics expand and the tolerance for transsexual surgery grows, it is not inconceivable that such clinics could become sex-role control centers, for deviant, nonfeminine females and nonmasculine males, as well as for transsexuals. Such gender identity centers are already being used for the treatment of designated child transsexuals

First time reading "The Transexual Empire". Many of you have read it, or are aware of some of its more famous quotes but holy shit seeing this which I have quoted above is something else. Considering this was written in the 70s as well.

 

[Jacques1194]

They'd do two things: they'd either say "Someone being a bad human being is no excuse to disrespect their pronouns" or "They aren't actually trans, they're just a transphobe appropriating the struggles of the trans community for sympathy and sexual gain". Trannies do this with Chris all the time. They love to say "Chris isn't actually trans; he faked being trans to sleep with lesbians and it's all a fetish for him and acknowledging him as trans is an insult to the trans community" (even though I believe sleeping with lesbians wasn't at all the main motivator behind his transition). They only do this because he's a well-known troon who did bad things. I find it very hypocritical that they call Chris out for being a fetishist considering that most, if not all, male troons (even gay ones -- you can't tell me Blaire White doesn't have AGP) are fetishistically motivated and Chris isn't very AGP compared to your average tranime-loving r/traa user, married John 50 AGP, and tranny Discord groomer (most of the troons who say "Chris isn't actually trans" are from these groups). It's also interesting that they don't say "Chris isn't actually autistic because he uses autism as an excuse for bad behaviour" -- that just shows that trans isn't real because morality doesn't determine the validity of an actual mental/medical condition.

This is the key problem with the Trans movement.There is no gate keeping unless someone does something that makes the movement look bad then its "They were never trans to begin with." There's this one TIF i talk to online who's convinced herself that anyone who says they're trans is real because she said and i quote "Straight people are not interested in pretending to be queer. There is no benefit to that. Stop throwing other fellow queer people under the bus for being not queer enough." She's convinced herself that mothers on the internet who claim that they have 3 trans children or the TIM who claims that both he and his child are trans aren't lying because they truly believe that nobody would lie about being trans.She really thinks teenagers would never lie about being non binary to be a part of the "cool kids" or a social contagion.Its gotten to the point where literally anyone can claim be a part of the LGBTQ community, and if everyone is apart of the community then can they really claim to be an oppressed minority?

 

[Wallace]

Its gotten to the point where literally anyone can claim be a part of the LGBTQ community, and if everyone is apart of the community then can they really claim to be an oppressed minority?

They identify as an oppressed minority. You know, like how they identify as a woman.

 

[Aunt Carol]

Isn't it kind of odd that people aren't demanding bespoke pronouns for their second-person pronouns?

Those are the ones you'd really be able to police for yourself, too, because you're actually there to hear them. Someone says "can you please pass the napkins" and you get to immediately flip out on them face to face.

The neopronoun people used to list their pronouns as bun/bun's/bunself, but whether through conscious attempts at respectability or just some remnant of shame, pronouns in bio usually just list two now.

 

[SecretMagicalGirl]

I hope this is the right place to says this.

So, while I was trying to find a copy of that Blanchard article of Anime making people trans, I saw someone linking to a webcomic instead. “I just want to be an anime girl“ or something. And yes, you guessed it, it‘s about a teenage boy learning he prefers being a girl,

It was actually not that bad. I mean for an amateur comic that is. Nothing at a pro level. But the art isn’t so bad. And I was actually surprised by how likeable the secondary characters, specially the sisters, are.

But I am not here to recommend it. Quite the opposite, The reason I bring this up is because It was supposed to be a cute happy story. But I just found it incredibly tragic and sad because I could see the true horror of reality.

His parents were incredibly supporting. The dad was even making dad jokes about his son wanting be a girl . The sisters immediately treated him like one of them, and were surprisingly likeable. His big sister was wise, caring and into cosplay. And she taught him how to do make up and gave him good spiritual advice . His younger sister was a tomboy into video games that played with him. Oh an his best guy friend was immediately accepting

His sisters even like him better as a girl. Nobody could recognize him when he was dressed as a girl, and people even thought that his girl alter ego was attractive.

It’s an unintentionally tragic story for me because I know that has never happened and that will never happen.

I recently watched a show with multiverse travel, magic, and talking animals. And this is the most unrealistic thing I’ve seen all year so far.

Point is, even in a fantasy comic such as this, the only way a trans person can be happy is if every human they ever meet acts unrealistically accepting and behaves like perfect loving angels. And their bodies are somehow so androgynous, and beautiful, nothing gives a way their birth sex. The odds that something like that could happen in Real life are so low Winning the lottery 5 times in a row is more likely.

Even the most militant and accepting SJWs are not THAT accepting. Sure they respect pronouns, but they will also be double faced. They won’t be treated as women when it truly matters.

Parents will rue not having grandchildren and be disappointed. Sisters can, and will, bring up deadnames when angry. Friends will abandon them. People will look them weirdly on the streets and bad mouth them behind their backs, Nobody will want to date them. Teenage boys will be cruel to them.

This story is tragic for me because, despite not being trans, I know the path they are choosing will only bring them suffering and pain. The perfect life they think they will have is a mirage that won’t ever be.

It truly could only happen in a fantasy world such as this.

 

[Bathtub Munching]

I'm so tired of trans and far left cliques. I've lost friends over this and it sucks. I do not engage in debate or tell people they're wrong. I simply listen to what they have to say.
Lesbian culture has been completely taken over by straight women gawkers and fetishists. The True and Honest lesbians I know have mostly retreated from society to escape the bullshit. This has left a vacuum for spicy straights to come in and start policing what can and cannot be said in gay spaces.
I do not know a single person on the far left who comes from a working class background. The people who have time to LARP as a communist and call people "comrade" are the people with cozy jobs, stable housing, and way too much time on their hands.
And it's all overrun with trans topics and people. Calling someone a cishet is the new calling someone a faggot. Whispering "she's a TERF" is the new version of whispering "she has AIDS" at school. They have overtaken whole industries, and they've made hobbies not fun any more.

Spoiler: What is to be done?

Retreat from society, live rural. Realise your co-workers are not necessarily your friends. Take up some old lady hobbies, like walking and knitting.

 

[Space Police]

Quite the opposite, The reason I bring this up is because It was supposed to be a cute happy story. But I just found it incredibly tragic and sad because I could see the true horror of reality.

Stuff like that unsettles me at a deep level because it's grooming material of the worst kind. That comic is peak "wholesome" r/traa and r/egg_irl material and the sort of thing a troon would put up for an anxious, awkward, terminally online teenage boy he's grooming. While we may laugh at the delusional 30-year-old men talking about their "euphoria boners", "feminine penises", fake periods, and how they're totes delicate little kawaii flowers uwu desu even though they look like construction workers in weeb drag, there are plenty of teenage boys on the internet who have autism, anxiety, obsessive tendencies, a fear of growing up, and/or little common sense who sincerely believe all that stuff. These are the type to take DIY estrogen from Keffals' HRT directory and troon out behind their parents' backs, as well as get groomed into being hypersexual through femboy and troon subreddits/Discord servers to the point where they're posting porn of themselves and joining Grindr as soon as they're 18. Many of these boys end up regretting it all in a couple of years and detransition, unless they realize it's a bad idea and desist or their parents intervene. Even then, these boys/young men are willing to get kicked out of their parents' house or run away from their parents so they can continue trooning out. I can't say if there's an equivalent for TIFs, but it seems to be for TIFs that the parents divorce/she ends up in government custody and gets physically hurt, sexually abused, or joins the 41%.

 

[Mayor Cody Travers]

I do not know a single person on the far left who comes from a working class background.

Retreat from society, live rural. Realise your co-workers are not necessarily your friends. Take up some old lady hobbies, like walking and knitting.

Shit, I'm a straight man and I agree with these two 100%. I find being away from the wider clown world that is today's society more and more peaceful as time goes on.

The far left and its LGBTBBQ - especially its troon contingent - are attempting to justify their current social power over the working-class the same way aristocracies and upper classes of old used divine right as justification to lord it over peasants.

 

[Bathtub Munching]

Shit, I'm a straight man and I agree with these two 100%. I find being away from the wider clown world that is today's society more and more peaceful as time goes on.

The far left and its LGBTBBQ - especially its troon contingent - are attempting to justify their current social power over the working-class the same way aristocracies and upper classes of old used divine right as justification to lord it over peasants.

I’m also not a fan of demonizing straight men. We had some mandatory corpo bullshit training and it reads as petty retaliation as opposed to an actual striving for equality. You cannot ask your co-workers not to discriminate against gay people in the workplace, only to shit on someone for their heterosexuality.

I think you’re spot on about the divine right idea. Like you can be chosen and enlightened by becoming a Twitter talking point machine, and this somehow gives you the right to make fun of Johnny Normal who’s opinions don’t match yours because he formed them from real life experiences.

 

[AMHOLIO]

Agreed with all of the above. Fuck that.

On another note, does anyone have any idea why Clowns are becoming popular lately in the "queer" circles? Seriously, what is it that makes everyone want to clown around?

 

[Mayor Cody Travers]

Agreed with all of the above. Fuck that.

On another note, does anyone have any idea why Clowns are becoming popular lately in the "queer" circles? Seriously, what is it that makes everyone want to clown around?

Like recognizes like.

 

[Mad_Dog]

Agreed with all of the above. Fuck that.

On another note, does anyone have any idea why Clowns are becoming popular lately in the "queer" circles? Seriously, what is it that makes everyone want to clown around?

Spoiler: HONK

 

[Comfyman]

Have you noticed many trannies having serious cases of sanpaku eyes or a kind of shellshock look on them? I've noticed it a couple of times and don't know if it's because of their general mental illness or because of the trauma that surgery and dilation has caused on them.
Here an example I found looking up some SRS-surgeons. This is a patient of Dr. Del Corral, from the Department of Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery, Cleveland Clinic, Weston, Fla.

 

[AMHOLIO]

Have you noticed many trannies having serious cases of sanpaku eyes or a kind of shellshock look on them?

Male trans tend to hold their eyes WIDE OPEN becase it makes their eyes look bigger like womens. They're trying to offset how deep their eyes are set by XY chromosome typing, and end up looking like serial killers instead. Some are actually compeletely crazy instead of normal trans crazy though.

Also, autism genetics is more likely to have someone be cross eyed.

 

[TruffleSpark]

I'm just thinking about how even a lot of terfs/detransitioners will say things like "oh, I'm not opposed to gender affirming care, I just think it should be restricted to real trans people/have more safeguarding." And the contrast to that and all the trannies who constantly claim that terfs/detransitioners are literal Nazis who are planning to murder every single one of them. Admittedly even after peaking I went through a "oh there are the good/true trans people and the transtrenders" phase. As you can see if you dig through my post history. But idk, it's just odd to me that people are still willing to give the benefit of the doubt to trannies even in the face of open hatred. Trannies really do take advantage of other people's compassion, it's maybe what I hate most about them.

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

I'm just thinking about how even a lot of terfs/detransitioners will say things like "oh, I'm not opposed to gender affirming care, I just think it should be restricted to real trans people/have more safeguarding." And the contrast to that and all the trannies who constantly claim that terfs/detransitioners are literal Nazis who are planning to murder every single one of them. Admittedly even after peaking I went through a "oh there are the good/true trans people and the transtrenders" phase. As you can see if you dig through my post history. But idk, it's just odd to me that people are still willing to give the benefit of the doubt to trannies even in the face of open hatred. Trannies really do take advantage of other people's compassion, it's maybe what I hate most about them.

I figure the "only true trans should be allowed to transition" people are still mostly naive about the reality of what's going on, but have still reached a breaking point where they can't just shut up and let it go anymore. If they knew the true extent of the reality like anyone who has ducked into the SRS thread does, they would want it banned and the doctors brought before a tribunal. Which really says something about how horrible the situation is- that even if you don't know about the arm sausages and the amholes and the sissy porn and the packers, you still have seen enough to be so shocked you can't stand by and keep quiet.

 

[cia-log]

(I'm using feminine pronouns for Cleo here for convenience's sake, it makes the post easier to follow)

I have to vent, every time this comes up I feel like I'm being pranked. It's about the 90 day fiance couple Christian, a straight man, and Cleo, his trans girlfriend. For those not in the loop, they've sparked some conversation because in one of their more recent episodes they (apparently) had sex, which Cleo happily admitted to the whole world, while Christian shyly danced around the issue when confronted. This caused a bunch of speculation over whether he regrets it, and whether it's abusive for him to be so evasive about it on TV:

Notice that Cleo here is telling her friend all about it. Later Cleo brings her friend home to help confront Christian, who feels justifiably upset that he suddenly has to talk about relationship problems and his sex life in front of a total stranger who is specifically there to judge him.

Later on Christian is planning a thanksgiving meal with Cleo, where he casually mentions that he met a girl at a bar and invited her over for some reason:

Cleo comments on how strange it is that Christian keeps chatting up random young women at bars, but otherwise lets the subject go. That is, until the thanksgiving dinner, where she brings it up in front of her friend, who then assists Cleo in grilling Christian about his behavior. Christian expresses his discomfort but they keep going anyway, and it's only after the friend leaves that Cleo gives up and goes back to being shy and apologetic.

I'm not trying to defend Christian's behavior, I agree with everyone who says it's obnoxious and inconsiderate, and if i was dating a woman who was getting drunk and chatting up random guys in a bar I'd confront them about it too.

What I am talking about is how the fans perceive Cleo as some sweet angel being crushed by Christian's Machiavellian abuses every time they have an argument, including the one that arose from Christian not being straight with producers about having sex with Cleo. It just brought me back to when I first started to notice there was something off about these innocent, vulnerable trans women in their thirties being constantly assailed by the slings and arrows of life, starting with Contrapoints in particular.

Cleo has this habit of acting shy and passive when arguing with Christian, treating it like he's an overly emotional bully, but is suddenly emboldened to press the issue when her handmaiden attack dog is around. Keffals does the exact same thing, putting on this puppy-eyed innocent lamb act to get the handmaidens out, then when he figures he's on solid ground he starts gloating and feeling all high and mighty.

It just made me wonder when people are gonna start to catch on to this behavior and not let it slide. Most of these people are biological males in their 30s, they don't need their whole "I'm just one little girl " act constantly being validated.