Off-Topic Random Trans Thoughts, Musings, and Questions - For all your armchair psych and general sperging

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

Cleo

Cleopatra, a famed beauty who could wrap powerful men around her little finger.

Talk about

How does anyone look at this:

and see anything but a guy with a long face and a bony neck?

I almost wish I was as good at pretend play as the retards who buy into this shit. It would make life more fun I guess.

 

[Jacques1194]

I figure the "only true trans should be allowed to transition" people are still mostly naive about the reality of what's going on, but have still reached a breaking point where they can't just shut up and let it go anymore. If they knew the true extent of the reality like anyone who has ducked into the SRS thread does, they would want it banned and the doctors brought before a tribunal. Which really says something about how horrible the situation is- that even if you don't know about the arm sausages and the amholes and the sissy porn and the packers, you still have seen enough to be so shocked you can't stand by and keep quiet.

There's also the whole, how would anyone know who's "true trans"?If neuroscience really backed up trans and gender identity then doctors would 100% use it during therapy with their patients to confirm if they're trans or if their psychological issues are something else.Those who argue for true trans have to first prove who's really trans and who isn't which isn't going to happen since TRAs arguing that such brain scans shouldnt happen.

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

There's also the whole, how would anyone know who's "true trans"?If neuroscience really backed up trans and gender identity then doctors would 100% use it during therapy with their patients to confirm if they're trans or if their psychological issues are something else.Those who argue for true trans have to first prove who's really trans and who isn't which isn't going to happen since TRAs arguing that such brain scans shouldnt happen.

Of course they don't want the scans because they know what it would show- a bunch of brains with no clinically significant markers showing pink or blue. They can believe it would show pink or blue as long as they don't look. Looking will spoil the cope/fantasy.

 

[Space Police]

For all troons love to talk about how "queer" has been reclaimed from being a slur, the actual terms that are being reclaimed are "same-sex attracted" and "homosexual". Conservative Christians loved (and still love) to use those terms because they sound clinical and technical, which pathologizes LGB people and makes LGB sexual orientations seem like strange mental illnesses. Now lesbians and gay men are using those very terms to describe themselves because "gay" and "lesbian" have been watered down and no longer mean anything, while "homosexual" and "same-sex attracted" clearly communicate that delusional, fetishistic men and women who claim to be the opposite sex are not welcome in their dating pools.

As for the brain scans, I read a Reddit post recently asking why trannies don't have their brains scanned to confirm if they're trans, and the trannies said that it would show patterns similar to homosexual people so it wouldn't work. There are also tons of trannies (mainly heterosexual AGPs) fighting hard whenever someone says "trans could have biological/neurological roots" because they know their experiences don't match the "brain born in the wrong sex body" narrative. Additionally, if trans was a medical or biological condition, the symptoms would be physical instead of psychological. Feelings of suicidiality/body dysphoria wouldn't be a factor in trans diagnoses because those lie in the realm of mental health, not physical health, which indicates that trans is a mental health condition being treated physically.

Cleopatra, a famed beauty who could wrap powerful men around her little finger.

Cleopatra was more charming and well-spoken than beautiful. She was plain-looking, but she was also persuasive, articulate, well-educated, intelligent, and had a commanding presence -- that is how she won over powerful men. The whole "Cleopatra was a beautiful seductress" is Roman propaganda meant to demean her.

 

[Baraadmirer]

Now lesbians and gay men are using those very terms to describe themselves because "gay" and "lesbian" have been watered down and no longer mean anything, while "homosexual" and "same-sex attracted" clearly communicate that delusional, fetishistic men and women who claim to be the opposite sex are not welcome in their dating pools.

I've half a mind to use that to refer to myself, as I spent the last few years trying to reconcile my orientation with whatever gay has become.

 

[A Grey Cat]

Pooners: I hate my ovaries and getting a period because it's like the ultimate misgendering!

Troons: I wanna bleed out my amhole like a real woman dammit!


I think the real problem Trannys face is there's no way to remove a human head and swap it onto another body.

 

[AMHOLIO]

It just made me wonder when people are gonna start to catch on to this behavior and not let it slide. Most of these people are biological males in their 30s, they don't need their whole "I'm just one little girl " act constantly being validated.

The answer is some will, and some never will. This is just a toxic relationship strategy that works long term and isn't easy to catch on to. Older, more experienced adults are likely able to recognize it, but it will take a while for anyone younger to who doesn't have any experience. Some will never catch on and will fall for it forever.

Cleo and Christian are both bad partners for each other, they're both at fault, but in absuive relationships the audience tends to sympathize with one and demonize the other. It would hurt some people if they realize there is no good party in a relarionship since they're not used to that, someone HAS to be the victim, right...?

I think it's reasonable for Chris not to want to talk about sex he has with others, sometimes you want a private sex life. It's not reasonable to invite chicks home while dating someone else, period. But it's not good to blab other's secrets and pounce on them either. Cleo is a minority, she must be the victim, and she's supposed to be a woman, so double victim in people who never think shitty behavior happens to men.

Of course they don't want the scans because they know what it would show- a bunch of brains with no clinically significant markers showing pink or blue. They can believe it would show pink or blue as long as they don't look. Looking will spoil the cope/fantasy.

I was hoping it'd show an empty cavity where their brain is supposed to be, or maybe a peanut.

I've half a mind to use that to refer to myself, as I spent the last few years trying to reconcile my orientation with whatever gay has become.

Call yourself something fancy, like god emperor homosuperior or something. Embrace it, be the superstraight of gay, the ultimate based bara admirer.

I think the real problem Trannys face is there's no way to remove a human head and swap it onto another body.

But that would still look like a man's head on a woman's body and vise versa. They want to BE other people, entirely, face and all. They want complete control of their faces and bodies, like a character creator, so they can reroll their life and spend it the way THEY want. So many of them are transhumanist because they rather live in a world where you can change appearance and body parts as easy as an avatar or icon on an account.

Most of all, they don't want to be themselves. There are some who would ve fine with the head transplant, but most would still hate their face because it's so them, and they're running as far from themselves as they can.

 

[Mad_Dog]

Pooners: I hate my ovaries and getting a period because it's like the ultimate misgendering!

Troons: I wanna bleed out my amhole like a real woman dammit!


I think the real problem Trannys face is there's no way to remove a human head and swap it onto another body.

When Dr Shekelberg finally get's the greenlight to perform the first successful head transplant, he'll be rolling in troonbucks for the rest of his life.

 

[Ingmar Aspergman]

I thought about this months ago, someone else may have said it but I am not going to check through this thread lmao

It’s already pretty common to say that MtFs are incels/AGPs and FTMs are victims of sexual abuse but I think there is a similar mechanism in place just not as extreme. This is likely just a more eloquent way of saying what everyone is thinking while being a hint more generous

As a male, after you are no longer a child, social attitudes towards you completely change. You have to prove yourself against assumptions made about you sue to your sex; love and compassion are extremely conditional and you are not wanted until you can fulfill those expectations. This culture I do seriously thinks internalizes misandry in some men and conditions them to see maleness as something to overcome. Also I think this hits much harder if you are neutro-divergent, as unfortunately you would at best be seen as a manchild by most people. I don’t think this is too schizo as seeing how some men actively go against their own natural inclinations. As men are not inherently wanted; to heterosexual men their conception of a human that is wanted is naturally a woman. A lot of these men consume fiction that romanticizes femininity in ways that specifically appeal to male ideals; again so naturally the best option to becoming objectified (in a platonic sense) is to embrace femininity. I’ve seen AMAB GNC people slowly inch to identifying as women I think for this reason; because it’s not enough to shed the burden of the masculine but to embody the feminine that does not even really exist. They have internalized that being a woman means you are wanted, that you are in touch with beauty and empathy, etc. which they think is at odds with their nature of being male.

I think with FtM it’s the opposite, because as a woman all your goals, passions, and accomplishments are seen as accessories to your existence as a sexual being. Because a man is at best a neutral being, his actualization can be interpreted on their own merits. So these women feel the need to desexualize or even de-romanticize themselves so they no longer be just wanted as possessions, while men are desperately seeking that kind of affection. It’s really fucking tragic, I don’t think it’s apt to just blanket this whole movement as purely sexual but I think this breeds in sheer loneliness and wanted to destroy and recreate yourself in a new image.

This is probably dumb idk I just wrote this out and not re-reading it

Edit: I’ll sum this up a little more briefly: I don’t believe that most autistic guys who transition are doing so because they are literally aroused by adopting feminine characteristics. I think these people look at themselves and cannot convince themselves they can be loved as a male; or seen as truly individual as female. To be honest, I’ve seen seen GNC people who are just horrifically out of shape and have horrible hygiene, probably not a stretch that their non-conformity stems from the fact they just lack dimorphism lol. By changing gender they are essentially trying to take control of their identities because they feel they have little to no other means of doing so. Again, I think this is really fucking sad and I still have some sympathy as I can deeply relate even if they’re almost all batshit crazy

 

[AMHOLIO]

Again, I think this is really fucking sad and I still have some sympathy as I can deeply relate even if they’re almost all batshit crazy

I agree 100%. This post is great.

There's a variety of reasons people transition, but loneliness and identity are big ones. When you're not thinking clearly, any way not to feel what you feel looks like a way out.

 

[Roland TB-303]

Why is it that when we castrate cats and dogs they become less violent but when we castrate troons they become more violent?

 

[Haloperidol]

I’ll keep the details to a minimum, but let’s set the scene a bit. I met a troon for the first time about ten years ago on a bus. I took the available seat next to him, he extended his hand and said ‘hi, I’m Dani, I’m a girl.’ He just looked like a normal effeminate college-aged guy so I wasn’t all that fazed, and I would’ve called myself a liberal then anyway. I was nice and made small talk, even when we all had to wait at the border for 3 fucking hours while he got the sex on his passport changed to female because Canada, lol. I remember standing in the shower that night going back and forth in my head about whether I could justify playing along with a lie just because someone wanted me to. I came down on the side of being skeptical but polite and I figured that’s where most other people would fall, too.

Fast forward 5 to 10 years later and the little white lie has become a big lie. Now this idea I thought was nuts is the basis of policy and a host of new social expectations. People will say oh, it’s just a tiny minority, it doesn’t affect you. And yet a relative trooned out, another relative voted for a troon, I had to do troon training at work, I lost a couple friends due to different stances on troons, I can’t see a doctor without them awkwardly avoiding the word women or asking for my pronouns, just on and fucking on. And what kills me is it’s all bullshit. There is no gendered soul and the idea that changing sex is not only achievable but desirable is insane. It’s disheartening how much ink has been spilled to prove a point that seems so obvious.

To hold gender in a higher regard than sex is to ignore something so basic about being alive. These people talk about biology with disdain, they roll their eyes at anatomical diagrams, they think plastic surgery is literal transmutation, sexual attraction is a ‘fixation on genitals,’ it’s all indicative of an inability to deal with being an animal. To them being an eating, shitting, sweating, fucking human being is lowly and they are desperate to be something better and purer. How do they not see that this bodily reality is what their precious ‘social constructs’ are built on—that no matter how complex society gets it always boils down to our essential needs to eat, to tend to our bodies, to find shelter, reproduce and so on? I understand the urge to overcome your base instincts and reach for something greater. But I guess not finding love and family, or a productive pursuit, or community, or religion, they instead found magical thinking, just pure self-indulgence in pursuit of their mythical real selves.

And if it were just troons maybe I could deal with it, but I think transgenderism is a symptom of a deeper rot. It feels like there is a broad movement to sever people from the concepts that anchor us, and it has infected everything. And everyone just bought it. After all this time I can’t get over the fact that people and institutions I thought I could trust just ran with this shit I knew was off from the start. There was an event I went to once that brought in a hypnotist and I got to see how many ostensibly smart people can lose their agency at the snap of someone’s fingers. Except it’s the whole western world and it seems to be the majority of people I know.

And that is what I hate most about troons, is that they forced me to wake up to the fact that most people don’t really think about shit at all, that all throughout history well-meaning retards have fucked things up for everyone, and the mere fact that it is Current Year doesn’t preclude us from sliding into an intellectual dark age. I’ve come to the conclusion that my best bet is to make what money I can, keep my circle small and move somewhere remote. I’m not even exaggerating when I say watching this develop has changed the way I see the world and how I plan for the future, and it all started with taking the last open seat on a fucking greyhound.

tl;dr troonery jammed a red pill down my throat and I’m bitter about it. If I come off a little schizo, fact is I’ve had too many years to think about this and too few outlets where I can say it.

 

[Mad_Dog]

this bodily reality is what their precious ‘social constructs’ are built on

Added to my list of arguments. Thanks

 

[Tetragrammaton]

most if not all trans people claim to suffer from gender dysphoria which can only be solved by hormones and various operations to make them appear more like their desired gender. this is met with applause by the masses and anyone who says anything against it is branded a transphobic monster. but what about the similar issue of body dysmorphia? the condition in which people will go as far as to starve themselves or even remove limbs because they see something everyone else around them does not.

the best example is someone with anorexia they view themselves as far ugly monsters no matter how much they starve themselves in their head the skinner they are the better. but do we support these people in their weight loss journey to become their true self? no we put them in clinics and give them medicine and therapy until they realize that they have a mental problem.

we dont support their idea of what their true self is because its obvious to everyone it is a delusion created by mental illness and in many cases sexual abuse or just abuse in general. so why would we tell the anorexic person they are crazy and make them eat a sandwich but tell the trans person they are stunning and brave?

i think its because of the money. if there was more profit to be made from telling an anorexic person to starve themselves more because being a weird skeleton monster is the ideal beauty standard then that would be the norm and anyone who argued otherwise would be seen as an awful body shaming monster.

but because there is no real money to make from someone whos more than likely gonna drop dead from starvation they are instead told the truth about their condition and money is instead spent on recovery because in many cases the damage done to your body from starvation especially extreme levels can fuck you up for the rest of your life which means more money for doctors. now compare that to a trans person. they just get whatever operations they want and whatever drugs they want instantly because they are customers for life.

they will always be dependent on hormones to maintain their "true self" and the side effects of all the drugs and operations means they will be getting money from that as well. this is all a long way of saying i suspect that the only reason people with gender dysphoria are treated different than those with body dysmorphia is because there is more money to make from someone who needs multiple expensive operations to become their "true self" rather than someone who just needs mental help.

the proof of this is the fact that while those with anorexia are often made to get help people who need expensive plastic surgery tend to be encouraged to do so. trans people are encouraged to go the hormone therapy and gender affirming operations route because it makes the most money. if it was more profitable to go the mental health route and stop the transitions then people with gender dysphoria would be told to seek mental help instead

 

[Road Work Ahead]

It's probably been said, but the rise in transgenderism has made me feel really bad for one group of people the most, ugly women. Their lives were hard enough being ugly, but now people are just going to think they're men, AGP men no less.

 

[GenderCop]

@Haloperidol
These people talk about biology with disdain, they roll their eyes at anatomical diagrams, they think plastic surgery is literal transmutation, sexual attraction is a ‘fixation on genitals,’ it’s all indicative of an inability to deal with being an animal. To them being an eating, shitting, sweating, fucking human being is lowly and they are desperate to be something better and purer.

can't quote you directly, sorry.

you reminded me:
whenever twitter troons demand "what is a woman" many terves give the laundry list of uterus and ovaries and so on, so the troons can scream "SOME WOMEN HAVE HYSTERECTOMIES AND YOU JUST SAID THEY AREN'T WOMEN!!!!!!!"

so other terves have started comparing women to females of other species: mares, cows, lady kangaroos, ewes, sows. whatever. "we are the female of the human species as a mare is female of the horse species."

for some reason, this makes them melt down immediately, in a way mere ovaries never do.
they block en masse, they shriek, they convulse. in short they find it horrific, very insulting and very bad (I'd compare it to blasphemy) to be called animals, even if the terves are referring to all humans including all women & themselves too.

they claim they are NOT animals and how could they say such a thing, sometmes accusing them of "hating humans"

when asked, they can't explain why being an animal is supposed to be so bad? they can't refute, so simply scream it is a horrible thing to say in the first place.
they treat it as a mean accusation instead of a fact.

the religious/spritual basis of troondom becomes pretty obvious.

 

[Baraadmirer]

they claim they are NOT animals and how could they say such a thing, sometmes accusing them of "hating humans"

To that I only have to say, "humans are animals, idiot," and my doubts of them understanding rudimentary biology are affirmed.

 

[teriyakiburns]

for some reason, this makes them melt down immediately, in a way mere ovaries never do.

They melt down because they can't refute scientific facts. We are mammals, which - barring sex-specific genetic disorders - divide into male and female karyotypes that are determined by our genetic makeup. Mammals cannot change sex. Any example of "intersex" mammals they might produce are the result of sex-determined genetic aberrations, mutations, or hormonal imbalances induced by cancers, or other diseases.

 

[Haloperidol]

when asked, they can't explain why being an animal is supposed to be so bad? they can't refute, so simply scream it is a horrible thing to say in the first place.
they treat it as a mean accusation instead of a fact.

the religious/spritual basis of troondom becomes pretty obvious

Well said, and this is something I’ve thought about a lot. I know a fair bit about the body and I have come to find its workings beautiful, even sacred. Yet TRAs see this amazing organic machine and say ‘you’re REDUCING women to their biology.’ It just shows a lack of respect to me. Biology is wondrous.

I agree that it’s quasi-religious thinking. They want to detach themselves from the concrete and mundane and retreat into pure abstraction. Instead of gross nasty genitals and hormones womanhood is just a nice vibe or whatever. The fact that they see the body as dirty and identity as pure reveals as awful lot about their mindset.

Edited to add a random thought, I love when they cite that male seahorses carrying offspring or that some fish can change sex like it has anything to do with us. I encourage them all to try breathing underwater.

 

[Jacques1194]

It's probably been said, but the rise in transgenderism has made me feel really bad for one group of people the most, ugly women. Their lives were hard enough being ugly, but now people are just going to think they're men, AGP men no less.

I honestly feel bad for tomboys or GNC people.I really hate how TRAs try to force those two groups with TIPs when its not the same thing.I remember a friend growing up was this tomboy and she did experience gender dysphoria when she was young.She was a big influence on me and 2 friends of ours, and we told her how proud we were of the fact that she was our friend who happened to be a girl because she imo did influence us into being the men we are today.She's now happily married with this guy and plans to have kids.

you reminded me:
whenever twitter troons demand "what is a woman" many terves give the laundry list of uterus and ovaries and so on, so the troons can scream "SOME WOMEN HAVE HYSTERECTOMIES AND YOU JUST SAID THEY AREN'T WOMEN!!!!!!!"

I've seen so many TIMs who now completely ignore the question and say "It doesn't matter what the definition of a woman is because every woman's experience(even cis women)with womanhood is different from everyone elses." The problem with their logic is that if there really is no clear way to be a woman and defining it then how exactly can TIMS know they feel like women when being a woman has no clear meaning to it?