Off-Topic Random Trans Thoughts, Musings, and Questions - For all your armchair psych and general sperging

[Aunt Carol]

TRAs insist that no one would lie about being trans because there's 0 benefit, and anyone who says they're trans are REALLY trans.Then when someone detransitions,

Or shoots up a school, or rapes their mother, or creeps out a Canadian shop class.

 

[Kumquat]

I just fucking hate the way they treat detransitioners. If someone has the right to be trans, surely they also have the right to not be trans. But the moment they practise this right they are treated like apostates. Ironically a lot of these detransitioners used to be the "trans kids" whose affirmation was considered a life or death issue.

What i hate about the way they treat detransitioners is how TRAs insist that no one would lie about being trans because there's 0 benefit, and anyone who says they're trans are REALLY trans.Then when someone detransitions, suddenly its "They were never trans to begin with."Its like you lunatics are so desperate to increase your numbers that you'll take any kid that is either confused, autistic, or has body dysmorphia and say they're trans then throw them under the bus when they realized they weren't trans.If TRAs were really concerned with detrans people regardless of their numbers then they'd want the medical institutions to do a better job at finding out who's "true trans" and who wasn't.But no they dont because they know that if doctors did brain scans to prove their patients were true trans that it'd be all bullshit.

The trans crowd cannot accept detransitioners under any circumstances, because the very existence of detransitioners undermines their entire worldview. These people insist that their new identity is true and honest. They insist that it's real, it's not a phase, it's not a mental illness, it's not narcissism, it's their true self, goddamnit!

However, the existence of detransitioners calls all of that into question. It demonstrates that people can be wrong about their identity and that they can regret their choices. It demonstrates that maybe it is just a phase, or mental illness, or self-esteem issues, or narcissism, or any other explanation. With the existence of destransitioners, when Johnny goes up to his mom and says "I'm actually a girl and my name is now Jane," mom can turn around and say "Johnny, lots of people have gone through this and lived to regret it," and she'll be absolutely correct.

They will always throw destransitioners under the bus. They have to in order to keep their delusions intact.

 

[AMHOLIO]

If TRAs were really concerned with detrans people regardless of their numbers then they'd want the medical institutions to do a better job at finding out who's "true trans" and who wasn't.But no they dont because they know that if doctors did brain scans to prove their patients were true trans that it'd be all bullshit.

They're so goddamn determined to defend themselves they end up creating their own enemy and weakness. It's so fucking ridiculous how blind they have to be so that the most extreme, loud people online can be happy and not bully them into submission (and or they are deep in denial themselves).

It demonstrates that maybe it is just a phase, or mental illness, or self-esteem issues, or narcissism, or any other explanation.

The social power aspect is the worst part of it all. If trans people didn't get lovebombed for joining, if they didn't get treated so well by online leftists and sjw circles, if they couldn't scream oppression as the ultimate karen trump card to get their way, they could just be a phase and a lot of the desire to stay in would be lost. A time of exploring how you look and feel with others is why a lot of subcultures exist and aren't a big deal. Cluster Bs LOVE and flock to it because it's the only opt-in visual privilege they can use (you can't do blackface and signaling you're gay is uncontroversial in the west).

There's also the medical aspect, where being trans puts all mental and physical issues in a basket and says that they can all be fixed by transitioning and medical science. Investing in a false cure would devastate (and does devastate) people who choose to be trans, so to avoid the dreaded 41% or eternally living with their failure they have to keep trying their cure over and over because it WILL work, it HAS TO work. If these two factors weren't so big they could live like LBG as normal weirdos (like all of us at heart).

 

[TruffleSpark]

The social power aspect is the worst part of it all. If trans people didn't get lovebombed for joining, if they didn't get treated so well by online leftists and sjw circles, if they couldn't scream oppression as the ultimate karen trump card to get their way, they could just be a phase and a lot of the desire to stay in would be lost. A time of exploring how you look and feel with others is why a lot of subcultures exist and aren't a big deal. Cluster Bs LOVE and flock to it because it's the only opt-in visual privilege they can use (you can't do blackface and signaling you're gay is uncontroversial in the west).

There's also the medical aspect, where being trans puts all mental and physical issues in a basket and says that they can all be fixed by transitioning and medical science. Investing in a false cure would devastate (and does devastate) people who choose to be trans, so to avoid the dreaded 41% or eternally living with their failure they have to keep trying their cure over and over because it WILL work, it HAS TO work. If these two factors weren't so big they could live like LBG as normal weirdos (like all of us at heart).

There's also a literal element of chemical addiction. Estrogen and testosterone are mind altering substances, the effects of estrogen sound suspiciously similar to MDMA and testosterone sounds a lot like an amphetamine. That makes it hard to walk away from. I have to wonder how many people out there know they fucked up but are too addicted to the hormones to feel like they can walk away.

 

[Peaches the Wonder Cat]

Can't we just go to the aquarium to see pretty fish? Why do you need to have a drag show? And cash tips - is this really a strip show and kids will be putting twenties in the waistbands of some fat man's Ariel outfit?

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

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Can't we just go to the aquarium to see pretty fish? Why do you need to have a drag show? And cash tips - is this really a strip show and kids will be putting twenties in the waistbands of some fat man's Ariel outfit?

"Sexualizing" isn't exactly the right word, but close enough- it bothers me how they sexualize simple animals who are incapable of understanding or participating in their sick fetishes, by depicting them as avatars of "queerness."

 

[Jacques1194]

Does anyone think TRAs are being very optimistic about how transgenderism is being accepted?They seem to believe that progress marches ever forward, and anti trans people can't really turn the dial back once its started.They claim transgenderism is already more accepted and common in media than it was ten years ago.Sure nobody nowadays is going to kill someone for cross dressing, and nobody cares about what an adult wants to do to their bodies.However, i dont know of anyone who actually believes "trans women are women and trans men are men" since they struggle to find people who would date them.I dont know of many people who actually support transitioning confused kids, trans women in female sports,locker rooms,prisons,etc.In fact it feels like support for trans people has actually dropped despite the amount of propaganda from hollywood and the mainstream media.This whole idea that transgenderism will be accepted because its the current progressive sacred cow is imo very optimistic of them.Not to mention they turn around and claim there's an ongoing genocide against them.

 

[AMHOLIO]

media.This whole idea that transgenderism will be accepted because its the current progressive sacred cow is imo very optimistic of them.Not to mention they turn around and claim there's an ongoing genocide against them.

Remember most are terminally online generating copium in their hugbox.

 

[Chickenpolar]

Does anyone think TRAs are being very optimistic about how transgenderism is being accepted?They seem to believe that progress marches ever forward, and anti trans people can't really turn the dial back once its started.They claim transgenderism is already more accepted and common in media than it was ten years ago.Sure nobody nowadays is going to kill someone for cross dressing, and nobody cares about what an adult wants to do to their bodies.However, i dont know of anyone who actually believes "trans women are women and trans men are men" since they struggle to find people who would date them.I dont know of many people who actually support transitioning confused kids, trans women in female sports,locker rooms,prisons,etc.In fact it feels like support for trans people has actually dropped despite the amount of propaganda from hollywood and the mainstream media.This whole idea that transgenderism will be accepted because its the current progressive sacred cow is imo very optimistic of them.Not to mention they turn around and claim there's an ongoing genocide against them.

That's leftism. Progress is just a staircase you're always going up.

 

[Inside your walls]

I just fucking hate the way they treat detransitioners. If someone has the right to be trans, surely they also have the right to not be trans. But the moment they practise this right they are treated like apostates. Ironically a lot of these detransitioners used to be the "trans kids" whose affirmation was considered a life or death issue.

I always despise how when someone de-transitions or start expressing genuine feelings of regret because of them transitioning, troons and TRA became incredibly vitriolic towards them.

They unironically victim blame the person and try to silence them because
"It's making us look bad" and genuinely say shit like "Well just because it didn't work out for YOU doesn't mean you can ruin this for rest of trans people." or
"Maybe you shouldn't had done this decision if you're going to be indecisive like this."

Genuinely psychotic shit.

 

[sheepworldvizor]

No tranny hon will ever go through menopause.

They can’t do it, because if they stop their hormones they go back to baseline maleness, even further from being a woman.
The idea that menopause is the female reality they cannot claim is very satisfying to me, as it’s also the least sexy and fetishized.

 

[The Judean People's Front]

After the Brianna Wu saga, I've been starting to wonder...

Are there any trannies who you can tell are trannies but publicly deny being trannies (claiming to be cis women)?

Christine McConnell - of that Netflix monster bakery show. He's got a good voice, but that's a man. I think the farms finally found his power word recently. . .

the medical aspect

I've been on a kick learning about Muchausen's and Munchausen's By Proxy and I genuinely think that transgenderism fits in there somewhere both for individual Troons (who become socially lauded medical high-flyers) and the parents who troon out their kids (as MBP convincing their children that they have something wrong with them that requires all this attention from doctors.) Like I noted, the big difference is that transgenderism is applauded by at least a swath of the public and is untouchable for questioning. There's no diagnostic test and it requires tons of attention and intervention from the medical establishment. They get "toys" but instead of GI tubes and picc lines it's rot dogs and crotch belly buttons.

Munchie parents often get called out when the "cancer" they claim lil Billy has never shows upon scans but yeah - just tell Billy to say he's a girl and you've passed all the diagnostic tests for this genre of unnecessary medical interventions!

I dont know of many people who actually support transitioning confused kids, trans women in female sports,locker rooms,prisons,etc.In fact it feels like support for trans people has actually dropped despite the amount of propaganda from hollywood and the mainstream media

I'm so glad you're seeing less of it because I swear the folks I know are ramping it up and I want to believe the pendulum is swinging the other way a bit. But I am.in California and because of a past life in a very liberal field of work I know a lot of the capital P progressives.

 

[Not a bee]

Ok, hear me out on this conspiracy theory that isn't that far-fetched.

Pedophiles have been infiltrating in political or economic groups forever to get pedophilia legalized. This has been happening for years and it is nothing new.
In this past decade, pedophiles have been "in" on the LGBT and tried to promote the P as Pedophile. Obviously, this did not work as the rest of the LGBT and their allies told them to fuck off.
So then, pedos decided to do sneaky shit by promoting LGBT but also promote their own agenda subtly, with shit like, "Love is love, no matter the sex or AGE"

See how sneaky they are? Trying to blend their own agendas?
This sadly worked, "drag for kids", "drags reading to kids", etc. But this happened slowly and not fast enough.
Now suddenly there was a HUGE wave of people coming out as trans, and a lot of them are groomers and being more open about their agendas while disguising themselves as "protecting future trans kids!"
Being trans, you are more of a protected group than the rest of us, and being labelled as a transphobe is worse than being labelled as a homophobe. So these pedoscum have a free pass for promoting their own sick fuckery while in disguise as being trans. And the liberal public mass is eating this shit up like cattle because they don't want to be seen or labelled as transphobic.

Okay I am taking my tinfoil hat off.

Edit; I need to find examples of the P for Pedo part because I remember being a preteen on a kiddy cat forum website with some sickfuck promoting this shit while LGBT was a hot topic at the time. Pedos online go into kid websites to push their shit on there and obviously target kids for their own sick pleasure. This happened A LOT. Not just on that website but on kid websites in general. Hell, look at Discord.

 

[Jacques1194]

They unironically victim blame the person and try to silence them because
"It's making us look bad" and genuinely say shit like "Well just because it didn't work out for YOU doesn't mean you can ruin this for rest of trans people." or
"Maybe you shouldn't had done this decision if you're going to be indecisive like this."

These are the same people who'll tell you that anyone who says they're trans is really trans.That is what happens when you're desperate to increase your numbers.These people have convinced themselves that nobody would lie about being trans because according to them there is no benefit.(which is a lie)

I'm so glad you're seeing less of it because I swear the folks I know are ramping it up and I want to believe the pendulum is swinging the other way a bit. But I am.in California and because of a past life in a very liberal field of work I know a lot of the capital P progressives.

I live in a blue part of the blue state of New York, and honestly i've only encounter one TIM here.(dude looked like Tiny Tim in drag)Perhaps i'm optimistic a bit because even i admit that this stuff is so rampant online, but IRL they're no where to be seen.Though then again maybe i dont go out of my town much and maybe there's more trans people else where.I dont know about California, but i always though it was the one nutty state.It's just i dont see how this movement is getting popular.Especially if places like reddit didn't censor anyone who disagress with anything trans.

 

[Dambusters' Dog II]

I need to find examples of the P for Pedo part because I remember being a preteen on a kiddy cat forum website with some sickfuck promoting this shit while LGBT was a hot topic at the time.

According to some, this originated on this 4chan troll post, and is therefore deboonked. This trolling campaign has been a bit of an own goal, because it means people can just say "Oh, that's a trolling dog-whistle by hackers on steroids" when you mention real instances of promotion or defence of paedophilia under this ideology. For example, Roland Barthes, Simone de Beauvoir and Jean-Paul Sartre all signed a petition* in favour of abolishing the age of consent and defending three men convicted of sexual offences against 12 and 13-year-olds. The petition was written by paedo-frog Gabriel Matzneff who got away with eventually admitting his own offences because of the statute of limitations.

*Unfortunately I can't find a copy of it, I'd probably need to go to a library for a physical one.

The current attempts to legitimise paedophilia use the term MAP or NOMAP ("non-offending minor-attracted person") rather than LBGTP. You can get a sense of the kind of person who uses this terminology by looking at comment 372417 on a Guardian article from 2007. This deboonking actually shows that some people on Tumblr did have a MAP pride flag, but then just decides to contradict itself and the facts by then saying "there's no link between LGBTQ+ and paedophilia". The author is a they/them called "Izz".

 

[Jacques1194]

Ok can i ask why the fuck do trans people take neopronouns seriously?If they wanted society to take them seriously they'd drop the whole neogenders and neopronouns because it makes them look ridiculous.Nobody in the real world uses Xe/Xem, neo/xenopronouns or it/its.They could of literally gotten more support if they just kept it as them feeling like the opposite sex because they may relate to them more.Yet by introducing neogender and neopronouns they're basically saying they're an alien trapped inside a human's body because no one knows what the fuck a xenogender or a neogender is suppose to be.You're basically reinforcing that you're truly mentally ill if you see yourself as this sexless being.

 

[AMHOLIO]

Ok can i ask why the fuck do trans people take neopronouns seriously?

Geek social fallacies.

 

[Space Police]

I find it interesting that there are (opposite-sex attracted) AGPs who identify as gay males pre-troonout. So far I've seen Keffals, BlueFolf, and Zinnia Jones do this. If I had to guess, part of it is because they're trying to convince themselves they're trutrans HSTSs rather than AGPs -- most people, including troons, tend to tolerate HSTSs more than AGPs, and there's the stereotype that HSTSs are more feminine and "passable" than AGPs. Troons calling themselves gay to appear HSTS just plays into the AGP because their trooning will be more tolerated and they get to feel more feminine. I also think it's mainly done by bisexual "meta-attracted" AGPs; they feel that being attracted to men is a feminine trait (troons don't be homophobic challenge -- impossible), so openly expressing an attraction to men feeds into the AGP for these troons. Some AGPs do this as a form of repression so that they don't have to troon out; it's a way to express their AGP without trooning out publicly. Finally, I think AGP troons call themselves gay so that when they do troon out, people can see it coming and aren't so shocked that a masculine, heterosexual man wants to be a woman.

I know there are flaws in the HSTS / AGP dichotomy, but troons, no matter how much they may deny it, genuinely believe in a dichotomy between naturally feminine, "born in the wrong body" early-onset dysphoria troons and masculine, late-onset dysphoria troons. They always have, and they have tons of different names for this phenomenon: type 1 / type 2, classical transsexual / non-classical transsexual, transsexual / transvestite, and HSTS / AGP. The ones who consider themselves HSTS push the dichotomy to dissociate themselves from laughably masculine, fetishistic AGPs who are "ruining trans acceptance" in their eyes; more feminine and "passable" AGPs co-opt it to also distance themselves from the more masculine AGPs.

 

[TruffleSpark]

I find it interesting that there are (opposite-sex attracted) AGPs who identify as gay males pre-troonout.

I have a theory about this, AGP is essentially a form of narcissism, you are basically falling in love with yourself. So the other person is really just a prop to fulfil your own sexual fantasies. But they are not the object of your attraction, you are the object of your own attraction. So in a sense they are still same sex attracted, it's just that the man you are now attracted to is you.

 

[Space Police]

I have a theory about this, AGP is essentially a form of narcissism, you are basically falling in love with yourself. So the other person is really just a prop to fulfil your own sexual fantasies. But they are not the object of your attraction, you are the object of your own attraction. So in a sense they are still same sex attracted, it's just that the man you are now attracted to is you.

I think most AGPs who don't want SRS are bisexual. Heterosexual ones like Yaniv get SRS because they need a stinkditch to fulfill the AGP fantasy.