Off-Topic Random Trans Thoughts, Musings, and Questions - For all your armchair psych and general sperging

[Maginot]

Matches all the standard misogynistic incel criteria

Speaking from the aperture of my ass on this, but I think the most important quality in defining incel would be in not being able to know and accept themselves (so they know where and what is possible to improve). They like going "its so jover, my skull is the wrong dimensions" when being able to cook and wash their own ass makes them tolerable for a lot more partners they might believe possible.

 

[Wallace]

You know the world is fucked when reasoned opinions are coming out of tumblr.

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I feel like the most frustrating part about trans activists is how few of them will even acknowledge that gender IS a belief system. They don't even get it, they truly think that because they bought into it as truth, the rest of the world has to follow suit. But it's a belief system, it requires just as much faith as any religion. First you have to believe in the existence of souls separate from the body, then you have to believe those souls can be born into the "wrong" body, then you have to believe feelings of disconnect from your body can (and in many people's minds, must) be solved through physical alteration.

Like...these are all points of contention. Not everyone believes in souls in the first place; your "inner self" is not a tangible, measurable thing, there is no scientific support for souls. Even if you're not religious, believing in souls, and wondering how anyone else could possibly not believe in souls, is the influence of religious thinking. And even among those who believe in souls, not everyone will agree that you can be born with the "wrong" soul.

The thing about systems of belief is that not everyone will agree with yours in particular. Belief is a choice made out of faith, and as much as people hate to hear it, being trans is also a choice made out of faith. Because trans vs. cis is all based on personal identity, you choose to identify as trans when someone else in the same situation with the same dysphoric feelings may not choose to. What makes them so tangibly different? You choose to be part of the trans community, or you can choose not to.

Belief systems can often provide a sense of community, because broadcasting your belief system allows you to find other like-minded people and find support and connections. It's why many people are religious, not because they hold the teachings particularly close to their hearts, but because they feel like their support systems are intertwined with their religion. The religion reinforces itself the more you engage in the community in this way. You see the same thing with gender, people who buy into it form their identities around it and join communities based on shared identities and surround themselves with friends who also buy into gender. All this reinforces gender as a concept, and can also insulate opinions to the point that it becomes surprising/distressing to hear dissension or pushback against those beliefs when they are outside of those spaces. With systems of belief, there's also often the fear of ostracisization from their peers if they question or change their opinions out of sync with the group. Within the community, opinions shift because nothing is static but the goal with fitting in is to have your opinions shift with the group slowly over time.

A belief system can really matter to you. You can find meaning in it if you wish, you can even build it up to be something that you consider integral to your sense of self. It's your life and you can find meaning in that life wherever or however you want. But other people may not feel the same and no one should have any right to force their system of beliefs onto others. You have to accept that there is a wide variety of people on this earth with different thoughts and opinions, and disagreement does not necessarily mean hate. Sometimes disagreement just means you don't share the same belief system.

 

[Kumquat]

However recently I also hear a lot of talk of “ugh I don’t care about trans issues one way or the other. I just want all the debate to go away.”

People who aren't super online don't get how insane troons are. I think most people think of them as mildly annoying weirdoes, sort of like crossfit bros or vegans or people who are really passionate about returning to the gold standard.

People say the tide may turn with detrans people, but I also feel like there's a lot of hush money where detrans stories will be quickly forgotten about.Again maybe that's my pessimistic side speaking because I have seen people who used to support trans people that have realized how obnoxious they've gotten.We'll have to see as the years go by.

I just want to touch on these points with a little anecdote.

I am in a Discord chat with a couple friends. It's mostly online people, as I don't think anybody has met each other in person, but we're from a couple different groups and we liked each other so a separate friend group was formed. There are three people integral to the story: myself, a woman (yes, a real, natal woman) that we'll just call Jane, and a troon. Jane and I talk a fair bit. Nothing romantic, just platonic chatting about stuff, but we occasionally have chats in private about things. Now, the troon who is in this room is creepy and obnoxious, as troons are, and Jane, bless her heart, is a "live and let live" kind of person. Jane uses the troons preferred pronouns, and is pretty amicable in the group chat, however, the troon is a creep and a sex-pest, and she does not like the troon. She tries to be nice to the troon, even uses his preferred pronouns in private chats, but she still wishes he weren't so obnoxious.

Well, one fateful day, tranny had a meltdown over something trivial. I may have said something that the tranny found deeply problematic, and he proceeded to have a major conniption over it. Long story short, tranny got booted from the friend group, as it turns out nobody really liked him anyway and we weren't sure why he was there in the first place. The kicker though, is that, in our private messages from then on, I noticed Jane dropped the pronoun game. She started referring to him as, well, "him." She started speaking of him as the male that he was, completely forgetting his "preferred pronouns" in our discussions. She seemed to realize that this was a man with issues, and she stopped playing along the moment he was gone. Indeed, even in the group chat, nobody corrected her. Nobody sought to challenge her usage of "him" to describe our lovely tranny. The charade was dropped the moment he was gone.

The point of this whole story is this: I really don't believe there is any trans acceptance, even from the most liberal-minded people. Most everyone goes along with it because they want to be polite, they don't realize how awful it is, and they just want to live their lives in peace, but deep down, I don't think anybody actually believes it. I think most everybody who hasn't taken a swig of the trans kool-aid - and that's a significant majority of people - knows that, deep down, this is all fucked-up pseudo-science bullshit. They all know it's ridiculous and insane, but again, out of politeness and naivety, they don't publicly challenge it. I think it's the same way people look at furries: they know it's degenerate and depraved, they know it's a sex thing, but they just don't want to stir the pot, so they say "whatever, do your sex thing where I don't have to see, and I'm fine."

People know this is deranged and psychotic. Deep down, they all do. They just have to be pushed out of their comfort zone to finally say something. With the way trannies insist on violating boundaries and pushing their debauchery on the unwitting public, that moment, I believe, is coming, and will be here sooner than we think.

 

[TruffleSpark]

The point of this whole story is this: I really don't believe there is any trans acceptance, even from the most liberal-minded people. Most everyone goes along with it because they want to be polite, they don't realize how awful it is, and they just want to live their lives in peace, but deep down, I don't think anybody actually believes it. I think most everybody who hasn't taken a swig of the trans kool-aid - and that's a significant majority of people - knows that, deep down, this is all fucked-up pseudo-science bullshit. They all know it's ridiculous and insane, but again, out of politeness and naivety, they don't publicly challenge it. I think it's the same way people look at furries: they know it's degenerate and depraved, they know it's a sex thing, but they just don't want to stir the pot, so they say "whatever, do your sex thing where I don't have to see, and I'm fine."

I'm increasingly of the opinion that this is the big thing that seperates troonism from other irrational belief systems. Even the true believers don't really believe. They are trying to convince themselves as much as they are everyone else. Other groups like, for example, flat earthers might find it annoying that most people don't share their beliefs. But they don't consider it an existential threat the way troons do. Because they are confident enough in their beliefs that they don't feel the same self doubt when others refuse to play along.

What I am saying that even flat earthers are more sane than troons.

 

[Kumquat]

The trannies especially don't believe it. They desperately try to convince themselves of it, but deep down they know it isn't true.

The way I see it, being a tranny is an attempt to escape from themselves. I know that point has been made before - the comparison to drug addicts and dissociation is very apt - but the whole point of transgenderism is "I don't like myself, I want to be someone else." There's a reason almost all the TIM's are incels, and all the TIF's are abuse victims. They hate themselves, and wish they could be someone else. The incels want to become women, because they think women have it easier than they do, and vice versa for the pooners. I pointed out before, even the terms they use - "deadname" and "egg cracking" - are pretty clear metaphors of death and rebirth. They want to kill themselves, not literally, but symbolically, and let the new self be born.

They know it isn't true, and this causes them so much anguish, because they really don't want to be themselves. They are different from religious people or flat earthers, because the entire point of their belief is to not be themselves. The religious man seeks moral guidance to better himself and learn which way he should go. The flat earther just wants to feel special and like he's smarter than everybody else. The tranny, however, seeks to kill himself symbolically, so he can literally become a different person entirely. It's almost enough for me to feel sorry for them... but I don't, because rather than face the fact that they need to correct their defective behaviors, they instead run from their problems and try to mask them behind a new identity. It doesn't actually fix the core issues, so the horrible person remains.

 

[Vandyke Clown]

It's pretty much every mental illness under the sun, and trannies all display at least one of them, if not multiple at the same time.

This is the problem I have with the “trans brain studies” that purport to show that TW’s “brain sex” proves they are really women. None of them control for comorbidities, so they’re all ridiculously methodologically weak.

These studies cherry-pick (statistical fallacy #1) a brain region and measure some cherry-picked property of it (statistical fallacy #2), then compare it to ”cis” men and women, and show that their chosen measure differs from the “cis” men and thus TWAW, the pre-approved conclusion (confirmation bias fallacy).

At no point do they stop to consider whether what they have actually measured might be some other type of mental condition. Most don’t even control for sexual orientation.

Assuming they have even performed the measurement accurately, there are so many possible explanations for why they see a difference, that it’s tantamount to academic fraud to immediately leap to the one conclusion that’s the most politically convenient.

At the same time, troons are terrified of the prospect of using brain scans in diagnoses, because if there really was an objective method of detecting their transness, it would also be an objective method of denying their transness, and
that fear of being invalid, inadequate, or an imposter, is deep rooted. It’s why they go to such great lengths not to be “found out”, to conceal their deadnames, and to insist on all the trappings of womanhood (names, pronouns, access to spaces). It’s an elaborate distraction to avoid the discomfort of having to think about the truth. Any chink in the armour risks revealing them for what they really are. Brain scans are the ultimate threat, because deep down they know they are not really women. The troon’s greatest nightmare is an automated objective troon-detector which scans them and prints out the result on a small slip of paper:

”Diagnosis: narcissistic man in a dress”

 

[deermeat]

It's almost enough for me to feel sorry for them... but I don't, because rather than face the fact that they need to correct their defective behaviors, they instead run from their problems and try to mask them behind a new identity. It doesn't actually fix the core issues, so the horrible person remains.

For me It's insanely hard to feel bad for them anymore. I feel like once you see people you knew before troon out, but those same people villianized you for your mental illness and victim mentality in the past, only to treat being trans like they are better than most people and have it worse despite being able bodied biological men with an AGP fetish..... Yeah no. Going through actual shit and then trying to overcome it all to live a better life, you kinda develop a "no bullshit" attitude with others.

It's also really hard to feel bad when their whole concept of reality is pretending to care about the discrimination minorities face, while being discriminatory themselves. Only using their oppression as a prop. It's like fat acceptance. Fatties love to claim they have a disability beyond their control, yet the sheer venom these people have toward those who actually have a disability beyond their control is ridiculous. These people put such trivial things like race and being trans as being more oppressed than disability or being gay in a country where you'd get killed for such- and will go out of their way to be a scumbag toward those actually dealing with real-world issues solely because they know deep down there's no excuse to be such a loser. They hate seeing people struggle mentally because of things beyond their control since it reminds them their own suffering is all in their control, that they could easily stop with this nonsense and try to live a decent life- but trying to live a decent life takes effort and it's much easier for them to wallow in their self pity since they have an echo chamber to pat them on the back. Trying to become better means facing your problems and quitting addictions, which means cutting out people who enable those addictions. They can't fathom being alone because they need someone to constantly fuel their ego.

It's why TRAs loveee associating themselves with fat activists and critical race theorists. They all share common ground where they all have an insane victim mentality, despite the majority having more privilege than the average person. They're hatreful, destructive people who spread more hate while having the audacity to pretend like they are full of virtue and righteousness. They will, without a shred of remorse, point their fingers at homeless people who are homeless due to real problems beyond their control and those who are physically disabled- and then try to make them feel worse. They will rather help "one of their kind" than anyone whos actually struggling. To them, the able bodied man creating a GFM to help pay for rent despite being fully capable of working is more important than funding a child's cancer treatment. It's pure spite and tribalism.

 

[Jacques1194]

At the same time, troons are terrified of the prospect of using brain scans in diagnoses, because if there really was an objective method of detecting their transness, it would also be an objective method of denying their transness, and
that fear of being invalid, inadequate, or an imposter, is deep rooted. It’s why they go to such great lengths not to be “found out”, to conceal their deadnames, and to insist on all the trappings of womanhood (names, pronouns, access to spaces). It’s an elaborate distraction to avoid the discomfort of having to think about the truth. Any chink in the armour risks revealing them for what they really are. Brain scans are the ultimate threat, because deep down they know they are not really women. The troon’s greatest nightmare is an automated objective troon-detector which scans them and prints out the result on a small slip of paper:

I herd the excuse for why CT brain scans aren't part of the gender transitioning is because they haven't met approval by the FDA.One troon's excuse was that it takes decades for the FDA to approve anything, and kept saying maybe some time in the future it will be approved once more research comes out.Honestly, I took that as "Trans brains are bullshit, but give it about a decade, and we should be getting those brain scans to prove trans brains any day now."Maybe someone can fill me in on the FDA, and how captured by trans ideology it is, but if its fully pro trans then it seems weird that(according to TRAs)for something that has over decades of research backing it, and many studies proving trans brains existing that it some how hasn't met approval yet.For me I think that TIP was coping, and just needed an excuse for why brain scans haven't been used on gender dysphoric patients yet.

 

[Lain The Tranny Beater]

I really don't think troons would last a day being treated like actual women.
The amount pathetic deeming shit that comes out of their mouths should be used against them.
Their totally real "periods" should be met w every excuse in the book. "Are you sure you're not just being dramatic? Women are so hysterical over a little pain. Are you sure you didn't just have a big dinner, sweetie? Oh, you're in excruciating pain, take a baby aspirin and call me in the morning." Oh god, everybody should talk down and over them. And everything they say should be reiterated and only to be taken seriously by someone else.
I wanna see these homunculus' faces when someone tells them that's what being a woman is and to suck it the fuck up.
God, I wanna see how they handle backhanded compliments and every criticism in the book.

But these troons are too autistic to ever comprehend what's being said to them. They're barely sentient enough to identify themselves in the mirror. I'm certain they'll just look at women and cry about how 'girls and young ladies need to stick together." And how sexist men are, and how it's not fair that they aren't being taken seriously. Blah, blah, blah-blah.
Bless the gods that these fuckers are neutering themselves and giving themselves every disease under the sun from fucking each other and every limp dick on grinder.

 

[teriyakiburns]

This is the problem I have with the “trans brain studies” that purport to show that TW’s “brain sex” proves they are really women. None of them control for comorbidities, so they’re all ridiculously methodologically weak.

The features they point at on these brain scans have previously been claimed as proof of a "gay brain". Such a thing might exist, but given the prevalence of personality disorders amongst gays, especially gay men, it's more likely that the gay/trans features they indicated are, as you speculated, a sign of mental problems rather than anything else.

 

[Space Police]

What I am saying that even flat earthers are more sane than troons.

Most old-school conspiracy theorists are more sane than troons. Conspiracy theorists base everything on falsifiable, physical claims that can be proven or disproven, while troons have an inconsistent metaphysical belief system based on feelings and personal significance. Conspiracy theorists don't say "I feel deep down this is true so just trust me"; they provide (albeit poor) analysis and evidence of extraordinary, unusual events. Troons, however, say "I feel deep down I'm a woman/man so just trust me", and their evidence is all ordinary stuff that many non-trans people have done and felt.

The features they point at on these brain scans have previously been claimed as proof of a "gay brain". Such a thing might exist, but given the prevalence of personality disorders amongst gays, especially gay men, it's more likely that the gay/trans features they indicated are, as you speculated, a sign of mental problems rather than anything else.

The explanation I heard is that there's no way to distinguish between a trans brain and a gay brain. To me that just says they're terrified of having to accept themselves as gay/GNC.

 

[Vandyke Clown]

The explanation I heard is that there's no way to distinguish between a trans brain and a gay brain. To me that just says they're terrified of having to accept themselves as gay/GNC.

Being classified as brain-gay would end so many troons who are specifically in it to trans their gay away.

 

[Jacques1194]

On the topic of trans brains, this came up.3 replies to this post and all are contradicting.First one states brain scans cant show it, but they only show similar features to cis womens.(it never explains what that means since real women all think differently),2nd comment says the brain is electric jello and that by identifying as a woman he already is one.3rd one...claims that his brain will eventually develop into a woman's brain if he thinks girlie thoughts?Whatever the fuck that means.

 

[Maginot]

CT brain scans

Medical imaging in studies ran into a complete reproducibility fault not terribly long ago because they found out the software interpreting was either defective or misconfigured. I think that's why that talking point disappeared. Otherwise we would have more of that "female brain, male body" rhetoric with "science" backing it up.

 

[Susanna]

I’m sure that, if you trained an AI on brain scans from sane people and brain scans from trannies, it would find some pattern that distinguishes them. You’d need to control for HSTS and AGP trannies (as well as fujoshis from whatever pooner HSTS are called in the female group), though, or chances are you’d get an AI that misdiagnoses actual trannies as normal men while the overwhelmingly more common fetishists get diagnosed as “real” trannies. Sorting these scans sounds like pure cancer, I can see why nobody is leaping at the opportunity.

 

[Lady Bizness]

I'm impressed at the volume of very intimate and detailed photos collected at the SRS thread, most of them scalped from personal photos posted by the subject to reddit. I don't know what other subreddits look like where surgeries are discussed, so maybe this isn't unusual behavior.
If it is unique to trannies, well, I suppose that's more evidence that these people are retards with zero sense or boundaries.

 

[AMHOLIO]

You know the world is fucked when reasoned opinions are coming out of tumblr.

There's always been sane people on tumblr, but of varying loudness and amount due to crazy majorities running them off. When the bigger attention whores and many porn addicts left for twitter, it lessened the amount of people screaming at the reasonable takes and lead to a much calmer era. There's still crazy takes and hate, but they have less power and less mobs to wield.

People know this is deranged and psychotic. Deep down, they all do. They just have to be pushed out of their comfort zone to finally say something. With the way trannies insist on violating boundaries and pushing their debauchery on the unwitting public, that moment, I believe, is coming, and will be here sooner than we think.

My two thoughts on this:

Trans people are actually rarer IRL. Online they dominate since mentally ill people and misfits have always done better online and play pretend is so much easier when you don't have a body, so to speak. Those who touch troons have the bigger reaction to it.

Second, normal people don't know what trans people think. People closer to trans people don't always know what they think. Here's a fun one: if a trans person has the original junk said person was born with, the junk of the opposite gender they identify as, where do they pee? We know the troons say "the space they identify as", but normal people assume it is the sex at birth restroom. This sets trans people off so much, it's absolutely hilarious. I wish I had it but a survey in the UK showed a lot of trans positive sentiments.... as long as the person has had genital surgery. Trans women went full "THIS FUCKING COUNTRY WANTS ME DEAD" when so many other rights were allowed. So not many normal people realize that they are glaring transphobes (or as we say, reasonable logical conclusion drawing people).

It doesn't actually fix the core issues, so the horrible person remains.

This is my main problem with transitioning, honestly. It's a race of denial, and the horror of looking in the mirror and dear god, you're still there, doesn't go away.

Trooning out is kinda like baptism: you go under to be cleansed spiritually and become reborn when you surface. The idea of baptism is that you are cleansed and end your sinning ways as much as you can, go and sin no more. Trans is like that, but the only sins in the religion are "do not deadname, do not deny acceptance, do not gatekeep, do not judge in the group, do not persecute, and for the love of all that's queer, do not misgender." That's an extremely broad template to work with, as it doesn't include generally agreed upon social morals that are pretty useful across culture like "please don't talk so much about sex" and "don't take advantage of others". Many religions like Christianity have a whole guidebook referring to ideal behavior in addition to beliefs, practices, and history. Trans only has the here and now of the internet and the pursuit of finding self acceptance through indulging in "euphoric" (self indulgent hedonistic) activities. The end-all goal is pleasure seeking to dull pain.

What I'm trying to say is that this is like the hippies where the goal was to bring love and acceptance to the world in such vague terms that a lot of people got broken hearted and taken advantage of by the less scrupulous of the group. The medical damage is more severe as is the damage to the psyche, it's much harder to drop your toob moobs and your pube beard than to shave your head and stop smoking so much mid-to-shit quality pot.

It's why TRAs loveee associating themselves with fat activists and critical race theorists.

I know you had more first hand experience with the trans community but I see more trans people side with only themselves rather than either of those. This might because I follow more lolcows though, and it tenda to be trans women (men) who don't say anything about anyone other than themselves. Trans men actually try to be inclusive at least half the time since there are less coom brain damaged in the community. Trans women ten to be fat accepting if they too are fat, and race accepting when they need to virtue signal. If not, complete fucking silence.

I really don't think troons would last a day being treated like actual women.
The amount pathetic deeming shit that comes out of their mouths should be used against them.

Don't say that, there's too many men who jerk off to this scenario who ARE troons. They follow the golden rule on women, on how they should treat others like they treat themselves. As in, they other women because they themselves want to be othered and treated as such, the humiliation gets a lot of the AGPs off.

I'd go and say give them something like endometriosis, menopause, and any other woman related negative medical condition. They'll be affirmed but they'll be in too much pain to really enjoy it.

The other thing I would give them is mandatory caretaking of another human BY THEMSELVES, particularly a child, a low functioning mentally challenged person, or an old person, but I wouldn't wish troon care on any of the three. What are women known for? Taking care of people/the materinal instinct. Prove it. I will create a fund to give you full medical transition if you can solo take care of one of these dependants for a year and keep said dependant in good health and as best spirits as the situation allows. I have a hard time believing they can keep up the grift longer than 6 months.

Troons make terrible fathers.

 

[Kumquat]

Trooning out is kinda like baptism: you go under to be cleansed spiritually and become reborn when you surface. The idea of baptism is that you are cleansed and end your sinning ways as much as you can, go and sin no more. Trans is like that, but the only sins in the religion are "do not deadname, do not deny acceptance, do not gatekeep, do not judge in the group, do not persecute, and for the love of all that's queer, do not misgender." That's an extremely broad template to work with, as it doesn't include generally agreed upon social morals that are pretty useful across culture like "please don't talk so much about sex" and "don't take advantage of others". Many religions like Christianity have a whole guidebook referring to ideal behavior in addition to beliefs, practices, and history. Trans only has the here and now of the internet and the pursuit of finding self acceptance through indulging in "euphoric" (self indulgent hedonistic) activities. The end-all goal is pleasure seeking to dull pain.

I disagree. Even religion is not so complete in the metaphor. The baptized Christian may talk of being reborn (some literally call themselves "born-again Christians, after all) but it's not the same thing as with trannies. A newly-baptized Christian doesn't change his name, he doesn't change his identity, he simply goes from "John" to "John the Christian." The Bible makes it pretty explicit that, even if you're baptized, saved, redeemed, and forgiven by the blood of Christ, you're still you, you're still sinful, and you will never escape your sinful nature. In that sense, being baptized is less of a rebirth and more of an awakening for the Christian. Furthermore, it stresses that which the tranny abhors: self-improvement and humility. It is recognizing that you will never be perfect, but that you must strive for perfection regardless, and show humility when you inevitably fuck up.

Transitioning, however, is a complete and total death of the old self, symbolically. When John decides he's actually a woman and wants to transition, he is no longer John. He changes his name to Jane, changes his whole identity, and refers to his old self in the third person. In the tranny's mind, John is dead. John no longer exists. There is only Jane now. It's a mask they put on to try and hide from their old self as much as possible. They run from their problems and try to reinvent themselves with a paper-thin mask, while the Christian (ideally) confronts his problems and seeks to correct them.

 

[Thiletonomics]

It's well known that troons love to beg for money to spend on stupid things like the "CONSOOM TREND OF THE MONTH" item, as well as for their hormones and SRS, but how often do they commit crimes, i.e. robbery, to get money for those said things? Given the skyrocketing carjackings in Canada, not to mention how troons either get soft sentences, or NONE AT ALL, I'd expect at least one car thief is a troon, trying to get money to pay for SRS.

 

[NoReturn]

Has anyone ever been in a job where someone in leadership transitioned? How do they even announce it? Does Barry just join the zoom call as Barbara and people are supposed to figure it out from context clues?