Off-Topic Random Trans Thoughts, Musings, and Questions - For all your armchair psych and general sperging

[FrancineCansMcGee]

Is anyone else absolutely dumbfounded by the existence of transgenderism sometimes? It just astounds me that so many people will pretend that boys are girls and girls are boys without it being seen as a joke. It's like if the scientific community started positing that Santa Claus is real and all of history is rewritten from Santa being a folkloric hero to an actual historical figure but everyone still knows that Santa isn't real but they just say so to appease the Real Santa Believers. The fact that the medical community posts definitions that are inclusive of trans ideology is a complete joke. Wasn't gender the expression of SEXual traits before that definition got 1984'd.

Santa is a social construct.

 

[Space Police]

I saw an analysis of commenters on one post in the r/actuallesbians sub, and it showed that it was AT LEAST 70% troon transbians responding.

Make no mistake, any "lesbian" on reddit is likely a troon. Double so if they're talking about how much they love girl dick.

A "lesbian" who constantly mentions being lesbian in unrelated situations is a good tell too.

 

[deermeat]

I think it is beautiful irony in regards to the Tumblr situation. It reflects everything you could want out of troons. It reflects their cannibalistic power-obsessed ways. And how in the end, no matter what, it is all unsustainable. That they will be the ones to ultimately destroy themselves. You can only back people in a corner so far until they turn against you.
Tumblr was literally the site to bring trans nonsense into the mainstream. Non-binary was INVENTED on Tumblr. And yet, now they are deeming it as "transphobic" because a tranny didn't get his way and realized his actions has consquences.

Because really every single troon believes their actions never have conquences and that anything bad that happens to them is not their fault. That they deserve to be put on a pedstal above others, not made to follow the same rules.

The foundation of the movement is built on nothing but manipulation and guilt tripping. And more people notice that everyday because of situation like these. No amount of "transphobic bigots" can hurt troons more than they hurt themselves, both figuratively and literally.

 

[Arpharp8976Fire]

Doesn't the word gender containing the word gene destroy the troon argument? That it's genetic not a choice?

 

[Heckin’ Fascist Chud]

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I’ve honestly come to hate the truscum/true and honest transsexual freaks much more than the “trenders.” Like, the latter are secretly aware that all this shit is fake, it’s an aesthetic, it’s performance art. They’re just having fun with it, even with the impulse surgeries and hormones. So much of what they say about gender is just straight up TERF rhetoric.

The “real transsexuals” are truly sick and mentally disturbed. They genuinely believe that they’re trapped in the wrong body, and jump through all these mental hoops to explain how they have a gendered brain/were exposed to high levels of hormones in the womb/etc. which makes it a “medical” condition. (Some do say that gender dysphoria is a mental illness, but that’s just for sympathy and if they actually believed it they wouldn’t pursue transition.) I’ve spent enough time in truscum spaces to know that they are truly miserable through and through, CONSTANTLY.

And why wouldn’t they be? They see themselves as having been cursed with this super rare disorder, which causes IMMENSE mental suffering, where the only proven treatment is such radically intensive body modification, and on top of that have to deal with both a transphobic general public and a group of attention seekers appropriating their struggles. And there’s usually childhood trauma too, and imo that helps lead to the development of truscum ideology.

So. Trenders are annoying and shit, but that’s usually all they are. (Though I suppose the fetishists could be considered trenders, they’re not really who I’m thinking about when this term is used.) True transsexuals are like…. On some “I have no mouth and I must scream” shit.

 

[AMHOLIO]

Doesn't the word gender containing the word gene destroy the troon argument? That it's genetic not a choice?

It's more complex in entomology than that, but it also implies that trans logic make sense in any way aside from a bunch of dangerhaired incels going "gibs me that".

True transsexuals are like…. On some “I have no mouth and I must scream” shit.

They're like the world's greatest martyrs, execpt unnecessarily so.

 

[Arpharp8976Fire]

It's more complex in entomology than that, but it also implies that trans logic make sense in any way aside from a bunch of dangerhaired incels going "gibs me that".

They're like the world's greatest martyrs, execpt unnecessarily so.

The logic goes deeper than that. If a male says they are a woman because they say so, what makes anything what "it is". We could be looking at a green tree but you say it is a red tree, does that mean the tree is green or red?

 

[Wormwood]

Can someone explain to me what the point or rationale is behind like 99% of tranny memes where it is just like, no joke, no substance, no nothing, literally the only thing that stands out is that trans is mentioned at some point and that is the joke apparently?

Been seeing it more and more lately and it is just stupid to the point that it is starting to annoy me.

 

[Arpharp8976Fire]

Can someone explain to me what the point or rationale is behind like 99% of tranny memes where it is just like, no joke, no substance, no nothing, literally the only thing that stands out is that trans is mentioned at some point and that is the joke apparently?

Been seeing it more and more lately and it is just stupid to the point that it is starting to annoy me.

The point is to astroturf everything into being trans coded. Eg: Blahaj, Fallout New Vegas, Monster Energy etc

 

[Wormwood]

The point is to astroturf everything into being trans coded. Eg: Blahaj, Fallout New Vegas, Monster Energy etc

Well, I guess that tracks. Doesn't really make it any less annoying.

 

[AMHOLIO]

Can someone explain to me what the point or rationale is behind like 99% of tranny memes where it is just like, no joke, no substance, no nothing, literally the only thing that stands out is that trans is mentioned at some point and that is the joke apparently?

Been seeing it more and more lately and it is just stupid to the point that it is starting to annoy me.

It's an anti joke. The idea is just to affirm trans people and get them to smile. It's like if a bunch of memes contained "JESUS IS LORD!" and "CHRIST IS GREAT" that they do on southern USA highways. They're not there because Jesus needs advertising, they're there to say "Yay Jesus! Look Jesus! We're so happy with Jesus!" with conversion being a byproduct. Part of it is thanking the lord on signs like that too, so worship and thankfulness they found a group to belong to and someone who unconditionally loves, understands, and accepts them as long as they try their best. And of course there's you might be going to hell or convert if you need help stuff, but I meant the general Christian billboards.

Basically, this is the autistic version of a Boomer Christian putting up multiple lawn signs that say "JESUS SAVES!". They are so happy that their group unconditionally loves and accepts them (*obviously with trans people the conditions are much different and unconditional love ain't so) and want to spread that feeling towards others in the group by saying the same thing of comfort to others. On some level, trans teens and adults know it's dumb, but they really like being pandered to so they will like it ironically and unironically at the same time. It's not worth anything more than an asspat, and if you are livint digitally with only asspats to comfort you, you'll love them and spam them.

The point is to astroturf everything into being trans coded. Eg: Blahaj, Fallout New Vegas, Monster Energy etc

Note that all these things are what autistic internet dwellers like and have an affinity towards. They don't try to colonize shit they're not into, like the 700 club and such.

Edit: I'm guessing it comes from some of them suffering from bad rejection dysphoria, where people reject you and you have a bad reaction due to autism or trauma, or because they have attention seeking personality disorders. Or attention seeking behavior purely from wanting likes from being online too long (thanks for the kind gold stranger). Most people just need to here "I'm ok with that" once or twice and then stop mentioning that they're gay/black/a christian/a fatass/a furry/whatever.

A number of trans people are addicted to the constant surge of endorphins by saying "you matter!!!" all the time. Some realize it's hollow, some don't notice, but most just need it like a shot of heroin into their sad system.

Others need constant reassurance because they have unchecked anxiety and are too retarded to realize they need to keep it in check themselves. Transitioning taught them that anxiety was something that others kept in check for them, to always be coddled.

And of course, the mean girls & men in dresses social manipulation method of inserting your policy in, saying you're a bigot if someone rejects, and rewriting the club to be to their own values.

 

[Space Police]

I’ve honestly come to hate the truscum/true and honest transsexual freaks much more than the “trenders.” Like, the latter are secretly aware that all this shit is fake, it’s an aesthetic, it’s performance art. They’re just having fun with it, even with the impulse surgeries and hormones. So much of what they say about gender is just straight up TERF rhetoric.

The “real transsexuals” are truly sick and mentally disturbed. They genuinely believe that they’re trapped in the wrong body, and jump through all these mental hoops to explain how they have a gendered brain/were exposed to high levels of hormones in the womb/etc. which makes it a “medical” condition. (Some do say that gender dysphoria is a mental illness, but that’s just for sympathy and if they actually believed it they wouldn’t pursue transition.) I’ve spent enough time in truscum spaces to know that they are truly miserable through and through, CONSTANTLY.

And why wouldn’t they be? They see themselves as having been cursed with this super rare disorder, which causes IMMENSE mental suffering, where the only proven treatment is such radically intensive body modification, and on top of that have to deal with both a transphobic general public and a group of attention seekers appropriating their struggles. And there’s usually childhood trauma too, and imo that helps lead to the development of truscum ideology.

So. Trenders are annoying and shit, but that’s usually all they are. (Though I suppose the fetishists could be considered trenders, they’re not really who I’m thinking about when this term is used.) True transsexuals are like…. On some “I have no mouth and I must scream” shit.

I've said it before, but if we want to totally undo troonism, we need to focus heavily on transmedicalist arguments. Transmeds are the ones who normalized this as a mental/"medical" condition that society should accommodate. They're even more dishonest and hypocritical than tucutes because they like to pretend they're "reasonable" and following science, even though "brain sex" is as pseudoscientific as saying that a man on estrogen can breastfeed -- people with a mismatched "brain sex" are likely gay, so all their arguments for "brain sex" are ultimately homophobic. They also love to pretend that there was a time when all male "transsexuals" were super true HSTSs, even though AGPs made up 70%-80% of transsexuals when Blanchard was studying them in the 70s and 80s. You can find lesbian magazines from the 60s and 70s -- even the 50s -- with articles by "transsexual lesbians" whining that lesbians won't suck the girldick. Heck, one of the first transsexuals, Lili Elbe, was a stereotypical AGP, complete with delusions of manstruation and being a little girl. People tend to think that transmeds are reasonable because the most prominent ones (Blaire White and Buck Angel) don't support child transition, even though the majority of transmeds online do support child transition, as it's consistent with their "lifelong dysphoria due to wrong brain sex" argument. There are truscum on Reddit who envy JAZZ JENNINGS for trooning out so young. I also think that so many pooners are getting rotdogs nowadays because they want to prove themselves as "actually trans" -- there are lots of transmeds who say you need SRS to be trutrans and not a fake non-binary partial transsexual trender nowadays, compared to 20 years ago when it was common wisdom for pooners not to get the rotdog.

 

[AMHOLIO]

The logic goes deeper than that. If a male says they are a woman because they say so, what makes anything what "it is". We could be looking at a green tree but you say it is a red tree, does that mean the tree is green or red?

Thus arguing with a trans person can cause you to either be cut out of their life, or to silently activate "wait, this is doublethink" eventually. It's usually the former, but it is nice when the later helps.

there are lots of transmeds who say you need SRS to be trutrans and not a fake non-binary partial transsexual trender nowadays, compared to 20 years ago when it was common wisdom for pooners not to get the rotdog.

It makes sense. That, the larger community trying to make itself more exclusive, and the increase of pornsick females lead to this IMO.

 

[pursuitsnail]

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Honestly, this kind of hit something that's been bothered me about the enthusiasm of lefty guys for trans inclusion. The obvious consequences for women just suddenly don't matter, because everything becomes entirely about how fundamentally unfair it is for a man to not have access to things like women's sport, prisons, domestic violence shelters, lodging. It's a malicious exploitation of ideals of fairness, often taken up by guys who think women don't have anything worth the bother, while still being exceptionally keen to make sure other men are never told no. It's concern trolling people they don't think should be allowed boundaries.

I don't want to even pirate that AGP memoir that recently came out where he was being cuddled and congratulated by a bunch of gay guys, but in it he says strait up that it's adrenaline rushes that give him a sexual thrill. Rushes he gets from cross dressing and 'revealing' himself to others. It's said so directly I wonder if he even really realizes it. But we ought protect this true and honest trans, because his fetish is OK and the real danger is he might be denied his access to women's spaces so he can get his thrills. Dude was so deep in his paraphilia that he castrated himself, and when he felt his access to fetish fuel might be at risk, wrote a book of lies and half truths to spin a tale to make himself look less like a creep.

 

[Tragon Dirtle]

The “real transsexuals” are truly sick and mentally disturbed. They genuinely believe that they’re trapped in the wrong body, and jump through all these mental hoops to explain how they have a gendered brain/were exposed to high levels of hormones in the womb/etc. which makes it a “medical” condition.

Spoiler: PL but

this argument drives me nuts - my mother actually has severe hypoandrogenesis and had many miscarriages because of it, and I do have some health issues possibly from it too, but absolutely none of them involve believing I'm a man. I have a hard time believing that they received that much excess testosterone in the womb without knowing about it - it seriously complicated the pregnancy & my birth. I grew up hearing about what a clusterfuck the whole thing was.

I actually did briefly think about IDing as trans when I first came across it at 16, but that was because I was tired of sexism and wanted some positive attention I wasn't getting elsewhere (probably like most ftms). (And a hugbox on the internet...I think Dr Gallagher's thing of encouraging it on ugly women to make herself feel even better is actually pretty common...)

Luckily for me a couple of autistic girls I knew IRL took the plunge first and they had a history of making bad decisions even when advised against it so it put me off if only because I didn't want to be grouped in with those two even for a minute. They weren't bad people, but you just literally could tell them something was a bad idea and they'd just say that given the new information it did sound like a bad idea but that they'd already decided to do it so they were going to do it. And then be surprised & cry when it did crash and burn. And if they were on the train maybe I shouldn't be.

 

[Lei Wulong's Left Leg]

Two things have always confused me quite heavily about trannies:

-Why refer to themselves as trans if the goal is to become a woman? Surely it'd be easier just to call yourself a woman without the tag, therefore affirming your connection to the gender you're attempting to be? I know the answer is that those sort of people need to do it to feel like they're special, but still.

-Have you ever noticed that there's an underlying element of attempting to mimic youth in troons? I've seen plenty of cases online of 30+ year-olds trying to pretend they're the mental age of 16 because it's quirky or whatever, like they're trying to regain a youth taken from them or something.

 

[Arpharp8976Fire]

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Two things have always confused me quite heavily about trannies:

-Why refer to themselves as trans if the goal is to become a woman? Surely it'd be easier just to call yourself a woman without the tag, therefore affirming your connection to the gender you're attempting to be? I know the answer is that those sort of people need to do it to feel like they're special, but still.

-Have you ever noticed that there's an underlying element of attempting to mimic youth in troons? I've seen plenty of cases online of 30+ year-olds trying to pretend they're the mental age of 16 because it's quirky or whatever, like they're trying to regain a youth taken from them or something.

They know deep down that they aren't and if they just said they were women they'd get backlash and hostility from people

 

[Jacques1194]

The idea that science would be wrong is horrifying since that means so many OTHER things could be wrong, because science is always right!!! There's some that believe that weird evolutionary denying Christians or other anti science must be right then, since only one side can be right, right? And it becomes a catastrophic domino effect since the trust has been lost and they are too attached to their worldview to not freak out. Again, mental illness strikes here.

As you and others know, science CAN be wrong. This isn't a bad thing, it is just that humans are building up on knowledge handed down generation to generation and making new test and evolving our understanding. Science being wrong can be benign as it can be harmful, but usually it leads to better treatment and better understanding of how to navigate our world. Trans people have it bad since dropping their view means apologizing to a lot of people and rethinking your life choices, which is insanely painful and why cults keep members: sunk cost fallacy. There's a reason followup is so hard after genital surgery: 1 to 5 years is enough time for the shine to wear off and having to slink back into "I will never be that gender" and live silently as a depressed trans or detrans, or killing yourself because, well, yeah. Mentally fragile ego devistation + cutting off major contacts (first your past life for being trans then your trans friends for being sour on surgery) + long term medical cost and pain = doing a flip.

Sorry for long reply, but what gets me about this is that the same medical community came out, and actually claimed "Womb transplants for trans women possible soon." and nobody questions it.I could understand that most people aren't biology experts but even I know how impossible that is.The fact that the medical community can say that, and nobody dares to question it because "The medical community said it and there's no way they could be wrong". is what's wrong with today's world.I literally wouldnt be shocked with how much trans propaganda is pushed out that the medical community could straight up say "Trans women are better at giving birth than cis women" and handmaidens would eat it up like candy.

 

[Susanna]

-Have you ever noticed that there's an underlying element of attempting to mimic youth in troons? I've seen plenty of cases online of 30+ year-olds trying to pretend they're the mental age of 16 because it's quirky or whatever, like they're trying to regain a youth taken from them or something.

They’re also obsessed with anti-aging treatments and how HRT improves their skin such that they “look twenty years younger!!!”
I’m convinced it’s some kind of very twisted midlife crisis. They know they’re past the halfway point of troon average life expectancy, so they become obsessed with their own mortality. Just instead of buying a sporty car they get really into microneedling.

 

[Mayor Cody Travers]

I’m convinced it’s some kind of very twisted midlife crisis.

Definitely makes sense. I've seen more than one troon discussion in the wild talking abour how HRT supposedly stems hair loss, which is funny when you consider the majority of troons we see featured on the site have male-pattern to flat-out baldness in some form.

That most of these fuckers are merely in their 20s to 30s and a couple unfortunate ones in their late teens only makes the aging panic worse...