Off-Topic Random Trans Thoughts, Musings, and Questions - For all your armchair psych and general sperging

[Poppy Brown]

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No, I spent 10 years estranged from my own (basically atheist) family. I'm tired of arguing about this. I've had selfish tards on reddit try to justify their position with absurd hypotheticals ("but what if your dad and all his friends raped you every day since you were six?!?! How dare you suggest that girl have to take care of her dad!!!") I don't know how to explain to people that they should feel a responsibility to their family and see that their parents living under a bridge at 70, which was the norm to do up until ~50 years ago and still is in most countries. I'll just say go read r/raisedbynarcissists and tell me all of these people are genuinely beleaguered by irredeemably horrible parents. My only other thought is the strong feelings this seems to provoke is telling.

Well, I’m not really arguing with you that this mindset of “fuck my parents” isn’t selfish. I’m simply explaining that this selfishness is predictable, avoidable, and in many cases justifiable.

It’s predictable that selfish parents will raise selfish kids.

You can avoid having selfish kids, if you don’t act like a selfish fuck yourself and actually raise your children instead of letting the state do it for you.

If you were a selfish parent, it’s justifiable for your children to not want to deal with your bullshit anymore. Likewise, if you don’t hold up your end of the social contract by actually raising your children, don’t feel entitled to your children then holding up their end of the social contract when you get too old to care for yourself. You were the one who broke the contract first and should have thought about that before. Only a Christian cuck, with the "turn the other cheek and let's enable abuse cuz God will deal with it anyway" mindset, would argue with this last part.

Also, unlike the r/raisedbynarcissists folks I'm not even going to bother trying to come up with hypothetical scenarios to justify cutting off your parents because I don't think someone needs to be "irremediably horrible" for someone to be cut off. Sometimes just being a selfish asshole is more than enough. Now if you want to argue that people should still care for their parents even if they are selfish assholes, cool, but I will argue that parents should just not be selfish assholes. I've seen people try over and over again to get their parents to stop being selfish assholes, only for their attempts to not be taken seriously until they finally give up and cut off their parents. Of course, despite the multiple attempts by the kid, the parents are simply shocked and have no idea why their kid did that. Eventually, they'll either blame it on the libs, their kids SO, or anything and everything except themselves.

If someone is 70 and living under a bridge that person is 99% of the time a junkie or alcoholic and they did that to themselves. Do you honestly think good, kind-hearted parents are being left to freeze under bridges by their kids who just happen to be selfish through no fault of the parent? Nah, bro. That's not happening.

Finally, you seem to think that folks over at r/raisedbynarcissists are just exaggerating about how bad their parents really were and are just a bunch of spoiled babies who need to grow a pair. Now considering that Reddit is just a giant circle jerk of people complaining about nothing I can see that. However, the question that remains is, who spoiled them in the first place? Pretty sure the parents did. Parents spoil their children because they are either trying to keep their children forever dependent on them by making it so they can’t fend for themselves or because they are lazy fucks who don’t want to take the time to discipline their children or spend time with them. Then they cry victim when the monsters they created turn on them. Either way, if the kid feels they need to cut them out of their life to recover from the damage their parents, well so be it. If the parents really weren't that bad they'll reconcile when they're ready.

 

[gorgoroth7134]

Recently discovered you can clock a troon/pooner by the temp of their hands when you shake hands - troons hands are always warm and pooners hands remain ice cold. Its science (i swear).

This leads me to wonder if troons can eat hot food. Every woman i know can eat food that is like temped hotter and still steaming without doing the little ahh ahh breath thing.

 

[TruffleSpark]

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One major misconception libfems and trans activists hold about radical feminism and gender criticism is they believe our opposition to their ideology stems from our inability to accept trans identities, nonbinary identities, any gender identity that isn’t “cis”.
In their view, we are the cis-privileged cissexist overlords who want to exterminate trans people and/or forcibly convert everyone into being “cis”, like we are, because we can’t tolerate difference and diversity. They think we only care about our “cisters” and want to force everyone into traditional gender roles. They think we believe what we believe and say what we say because we’re close-minded bigots who mindlessly hate people of other gender identities, just like racists mindlessly hate people of other races. They think blind hatred is the reason why we aren’t “inclusive” like good feminists should be.
From where they’re standing, this is a perfectly reasonable conclusion. Look at those terfs all standing over there being comfortable with their assigned gender! Look at those terfs using female pronouns and never getting misgendered and having womanhood handed to them without having to work for it! Look at those terfs posting vulva art and fetishizing vaginas, look at them loving their bodies and not feeling deep hatred toward their secondary sex characteristics! Look at those terfs with their cis privilege having no idea what it’s like to feel like you don’t belong in your body, or to feel deep inside like you’re just NOT the gender everyone says you are! Look at those terfs being evil gatekeepers and enforcing the idea that penis=man and vagina=woman because they think everyone should be cis like them!
In trans activist world, using trans activist logic, this conception of radfems is valid and internally consistent.
The problem is the basis of trans activist logic is fucked up and wrong.
You know those elementary logic puzzles that go “If some smeerps are blorgnorts and all blorgnorts are priptaps, all smeerps are priptaps. True or false?” - just because something is internally consistent within its own rules doesn’t mean it has any value or any connection to reality at all.
The reality is not that we’re all happy “cis” women enjoying our “cis” privilege and hating trans people just because they’re not like us. The reality is we REJECT the entire artificial narrative that leads to classifications like “cis” and “trans” in the first place. We call ourselves “she” not because we feel like women deep inside our souls, but because of the biological FACT of our bodies. Some of us suffer from severe dysphoria, some of us identified as trans and thought we were men for years, and NONE of us are comfortable being forced into the female gender. But we understand that how we feel about “she” doesn’t change the fact that that’s what we are. None of us chose our pronouns. Our pronouns just…are.
And when we tell them we don’t hate trans people, we hate gender, they take it as an attack on their personal identities and their very sense of self. When we tell them sex and gender are different things, they say biological sex doesn’t exist. When we ask them not to call us “cis”, they’re baffled because in their minds there’s cis, there’s trans, and there are the various flavors of nonbinary, and that encompasses the totality of the spectrum of gender identity, and everyone HAS to have a gender identity because it’s Just! So! Important!! in their world. How could anyone not define and treasure their individual gender identity? It’s what makes you who you are! And they just can’t wrap their heads around the idea that we reject gender altogether. A genderist’s thought process goes: those AFAB terfs say they’re women, they aren’t trans because they don’t use “he/him” and they’re not nonbinary because they don’t use “they/them/ze/hir”, so what could they POSSIBLY be besides cis? Why are they asking me not to call them what they are? Oh, I get it, it must be a trick to deny their cis privilege so they can keep enforcing cis supremacy and oppressing trans people!
It’s a very simplistic and primitive worldview. You won’t follow the rules and respect the demarcations of my inclusive and diverse gender spectrum? It must be because you’re cissexist and bigoted and hate trans people. There can’t be any other reason. You’re just jealous because transwomen are prettier than you!
The trans cult is SO invested in the gender story and the immense importance of gender and identity politics that to them it’s just not possible for anyone to think any differently. The very premise of their ideology is false, but that’s the framework from which they interpret everything, including the beliefs and motivations of the evil gatekeeper terfs. They box themselves in with their beautiful unique identities and they literally CANNOT conceive of anything outside their own false axioms. Because to them, gender is a universal truth. The idea of not believing in gender isn’t heresy or blasphemy, it just…doesn’t…make…sense. Might as well not believe in bananas or bears or gravity.
It’s like religious people who insist atheists and agnostics (or even people from other religions) must hate god because they’ve been corrupted by the devil, and the only reason someone wouldn’t follow YOUR dogma and worship YOUR god…is because they’re under the influence of YOUR devil, YOUR dogma’s particular conception of evil.
Their little brains can’t handle the idea that god isn’t real and neither is the devil. And neither, for that matter, is gender.

 

[AMHOLIO]

And I think this trans narrative and pipeline is really powerful, especially in certain circles. Under spotlights, it’s hard to change your mind or back down. There are pressures all their own involved, particularly with a parent pushing the idea.

I think so too: the struggling underdog looking for rights and just to be able to live as themselves is a popular theme in stories for a reason. It's hard to resist wanting to go through with it to get out of your own malaise and it's hard to say no to people who pressure you into doing something they believe will genuinely help you.

I can't stress enough how dystopian our world is and how all of this is leading up to one big event that will change the course of history as we know it,
Transgenderism is gonna be the final straw.

I hope you don't take this the wrong way, but dear, please, go touch some grass for a bit. Our world is always dystopic, from the time of the romans to before and after WWI & WWII to now. Life is always hellish, we traded dealing with polio for dealing with AIDS and then dealing with people freaking over covid. Mental asylums could genuinely be underfunded free for all not give a fuck places and were shut down for a reason, but we traded that for not having a good place or replacement for the ones who need it to go to (thanks Reagan). There's always war somewhere, there's always someone trying to take more control away from the people, there's always medical fuckups, and there's always a new technology that changes life for better and worse with the worse only being ironed out to bad later (like how powerlines could look like this before regulation and electrical fires were awfully common). We're dealing with changes in our world and we'll be dealing with them forever, and it's less a game where people win or lose and more of a natural consequence of being alive and living in a society (*insert meme here*).

I think you're changing phases in your life as you've talked about before and it leads to a lot more uncertainty and anxiety. You've talked about your struggles and I think interacting with more real world things might help you at this time, or at least get your mind off some of these things and let you focus on you. I hate troons and the trans medical industry as much as most other kiwis on here do, but I feel like you're getting into a narrative over it when it would be better to focus on what your own next step is in your current young age (even if it's just picking up a new hobby). I don't know if I worded this properly, but I'm trying to encourage you to step back for a bit and center yourself. I worry about you and I think you're a good bean who still deals with a lot of baggage over the past right now (with good reason), I don't want the rest of the world to get you too down of for you to get yourself analyzing things too hard and living in your head.

You fuck with their kids and you got hell to deal with. I have faith in the next generation because that's the generation that is gonna be the ones who face the conquences of everything and they aren't gonna be quiet about it.

I do agree with this though: with less pressure to marry and have kids early, less teen births, and more planned births to people who do want kids, we have a lot of nice, loving parents who genuinely want to protect their children. Love and family protection fuels a lot of decisions and is a big force for change. You can call me optimistic but the reason our species does so well is because of our altruism as much as our passion to destroy all that opposes us or whatever. Keeping more people safe helped us survive as apes, cooperation with teams and families help us accomplish much for the past thousands of years.

But we understand that how we feel about “she” doesn’t change the fact that that’s what we are. None of us chose our pronouns. Our pronouns just…are.

Troons would just say she's a self hating detrans or some bullshit when she knows what she's talking about. I've read enpough retards featured here to know that.

The idea of not believing in gender isn’t heresy or blasphemy, it just…doesn’t…make…sense. Might as well not believe in bananas or bears or gravity.

And fortunately she knows that troons are tards by strength of belief alone too. I really resonate with the idea that troons are the type that would have fallen into some kind of church and been massive dickheads there had they not been recruited already/felt like religion wasn't lame. It's many vunerable people falling into a trap, and some of them have that mind thing where they just don't get non-believers no matter what.

 

[Sonalee Rashitwar]

Also, thinking on cutting people off: I agree it’s really best not to have a close relationship with parents if it’s too difficult for you. I’ve gotten to “civil but cold” with mine, and got married so damn young partly to have more of my own life. Talk about a control freak- I read “Battle Hymn of the Tiger Mother” in college and sobbed, because it was so familiar.

I would make sure that my parents don’t live under a bridge/die, but I don’t really engage emotionally and will not live with them. It’s too hard. I was lucky to learn many skills, a foreign language, and be pressured to do the things that help one be superficially successful, but there was the same kind of “absence” there as with a screen-addicted modern parent.

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I was conceived by older parents who desperately wanted one before 40 due to risks. I was wanted and tried for, and they felt a need to do it before that milestone. But, I was often sick and showed signs of developmental issues and a possible disability as early as 18 months old. They couldn’t figure what, with hindsight and good medical care realize now I’m probably a high-functioning autist. But around that time, despite the reluctance to have a child at or after 40, they conceived my sibling. Do you know how shitty it is to figure out you are basically a beta test? And the unequal treatment continued in my life throughout, even though I still had needs met. My problems were also denied, not diagnosed, not treated- I think there was a big block on having something “wrong” with the children.

My mom was mostly the force behind the level of control and how I was treated, but it hurt that my dad did not fight for me. The most he would do was sneak me food or, when I was older, tell me he didn’t agree with X. On the other hand, he has anger issues, and while mostly okay, 1% of the time was a raging monster. I think maybe the lack of power in his relationship and life (mom was the main earner), fed into this.

He would hit or kick the dog I largely helped raise, or drag or throw them roughly outside when they were sick, when angry. Often, if he was angry with me, he would hurt them instead. Still very rarely does this with the current pets. So, no, I am not taking care of my parents if they need it. I am able to see things in a more nuanced view as an adult, and would try to keep them from literal homelessness or starvation, but I cannot provide the care. I’m honestly afraid I might end up abusing them in such a case.

 

[Poppy Brown]

Has the troon shit made anyone else change their opinion on the gay shit? I used to be pretty cool with the gays, but now I see they led the way for the troon shit and then finding out Matthew Shepard was a giant lie made me realize that the gay shit was probably just the most successful psyop of all time. Like bravo TPTB for getting a large percentage of us to override our instinctual disgust at seeing two dudes together to go along with this shit as much as we have. That was some masterful brainwashing and societal control, and I can only tip my hat to them at this point.

Anyway, it's like where do we go from here though? I'll never even tolerate troons, because their damage to children and society is too evident. They simply can't exist long-term in a functional society, but gays have been around forever so tbh if the gays would just stop suing Christian bakeries, grooming kids, and cosigning troonery and pedophilia, I'm cool with just tolerating them. I'll never accept them as normal again, but I'll tolerate them. They can even keep gay marriage for all I care. The issue is I'm starting to be convinced that's just not possible because homosexuality is just too inherently histrionic and narcissistic to ever be anything other than a gateway drug for the complete sexual degeneracy and removal of societal boundaries.

 

[Sonalee Rashitwar]

Has the troon shit made anyone else change their opinion on the gay shit? I used to be pretty cool with the gays, but now I see they led the way for the troon shit and then finding out Matthew Shepard was a giant lie made me realize that the gay shit was probably just the most successful psyop of all time. Like bravo TPTB for getting a large percentage of us to override our instinctual disgust at seeing two dudes together to go along with this shit as much as we have. That was some masterful brainwashing and societal control, and I can only tip my hat to them at this point.

Anyway, it's like where do we go from here though? I'll never even tolerate troons, because their damage to children and society is too evident. They simply can't exist long-term in a functional society, but gays have been around forever so tbh if the gays would just stop suing Christian bakeries, grooming kids, and cosigning troonery and pedophilia, I'm cool with just tolerating them. I'll never accept them as normal again, but I'll tolerate them. They can even keep gay marriage for all I care. The issue is I'm starting to be convinced that's just not possible because homosexuality is just too inherently histrionic and narcissistic to ever be anything other than a gateway drug for the complete sexual degeneracy and removal of societal boundaries.

I think gay has always existed, you know? There is even a basis for it, a sort of altruistic kin selection hypothesis: if not everyone has kids, those relatives who don’t, can help. Siblings of gays are also more fertile. It is also found in animals.

I don’t like the selfishness and encouragement of transition that has gotten into my gay community. Just want to be with my wife of over 10 years and care for relatives and my animals.

Ironically, being in the main of the gay community and seeing the public kink and bending a knee to trans issues has changed some views. It’s harmed me as well.

But this means I hide my views around other gays. Just be normal, isn’t that what marriage asked for?

 

[Poppy Brown]

think gay has always existed, you know? There is even a basis for it, a sort of altruistic kin selection hypothesis: if not everyone has kids, those relatives who don’t, can help. Siblings of gays are also more fertile. It is also found in animals.

I don’t like the selfishness and encouragement of transition that has gotten into my gay community. Just want to be with my wife of over 10 years and care for relatives and my animals.

Ironically, being in the main of the gay community and seeing the public kink and bending a knee to trans issues has changed some views. It’s harmed me as well.

But this means I hide my views around other gays. Just be normal, isn’t that what marriage asked for?

I’ve seen this theory before but it doesn’t pan out for me, because it's not like people are having 10+ kids anymore. And as birthrates are already decreasing and we have more resources than at any time in history why would Mother Nature need to make someone gay and why would LGB rates keep rising? If there really was an evolutionary reason for homosexuality the anus would have evolved to be better able to handle dick. Anal fissures tell us the truth.

Anyway, I live in an area where a relatively high population of LGB. Up until 10 years or so ago, most gays were like you. Just normal people who happened to be gay and they didn’t make a big deal about it. It’s not that they hid it either, but it was just no big deal. Then slowly being gay started to become an ~ identity ~ and gay people became insufferable and gay porn started showing up in schools. The normal gays got accused of trying to "assimilate into straightness " or some such bullshit so they stayed quiet or joined in being insufferable themselves. If gay people would just go back to being cool, I’d be cool with them.

 

[Jacques1194]

Has the troon shit made anyone else change their opinion on the gay shit? I used to be pretty cool with the gays, but now I see they led the way for the troon shit and then finding out Matthew Shepard was a giant lie made me realize that the gay shit was probably just the most successful psyop of all time. Like bravo TPTB for getting a large percentage of us to override our instinctual disgust at seeing two dudes together to go along with this shit as much as we have. That was some masterful brainwashing and societal control, and I can only tip my hat to them at this point.

Anyway, it's like where do we go from here though? I'll never even tolerate troons, because their damage to children and society is too evident. They simply can't exist long-term in a functional society, but gays have been around forever so tbh if the gays would just stop suing Christian bakeries, grooming kids, and cosigning troonery and pedophilia, I'm cool with just tolerating them. I'll never accept them as normal again, but I'll tolerate them. They can even keep gay marriage for all I care. The issue is I'm starting to be convinced that's just not possible because homosexuality is just too inherently histrionic and narcissistic to ever be anything other than a gateway drug for the complete sexual degeneracy and removal of societal boundaries.

I personally dont care about gay people as a whole, and its "You do you", but what I am sick of is all of these spicy straight people who infect fandoms and want every character on a show to be LGBTQ whatever.Even when a show does have 1 or 2 gay couples on it, its never enough for these people and they demand more LGBTQ rep.Its gotten to the point where these people straight up hate the idea of people who are straight or non trans.People are sick of them insisting characters are gay even when they're not like that.For example "Two best guy friends are close like brothers?They're clearly gay!" I saw that with Stan and Kyle from South Park because of how close they are.Yet people are so desperate to make those two a gay couple when we already have Tweek and Craig.

 

[AMHOLIO]

Has the troon shit made anyone else change their opinion on the gay shit?

I know a lot of gays, so not really, honestly. My revolving circle of homos tends to be a grab bag just like the farms, with people I like and people I wish would shut the fuck up. I know older, calmer gays rather than just young people being utterly obnoxious. Those I tend to divorce myself from. I'm lucky most of my friends who date find men (and women) who are on the same calm side as they are.

Then slowly being gay started to become an ~ identity ~ and gay people became insufferable and gay porn started showing up in schools. The normal gays got accused of trying to "assimilate into straightness " or some such bullshit so they stayed quiet or joined in being insufferable themselves. If gay people would just go back to being cool, I’d be cool with them.

Pretty much. The difference between "gay people" and "gay is my identity" is much like the difference between "people of race" and "race is my fucking life" (from hardcore black supremacists to white nationalists). It's a trendy and rewarding area to be a narcissist, an indulgent attention whore, a queen bee of a group, and a hedonist in general. You also have crazy gay rights groups who have nothing to fight for so they make shit up to keep power and influence (and jobs), and many companies and grifters jumping on the homo train to get people to buy - and enough bite for now.

I wonder if some of the gays of today will be straight in a couple of years. Some people don't have a sexuality, just a lust for attention.

Some of the behavior of the gay men I chalk to being male, which sounds mean but if young straight men could have lots of random hookup sex with straight women, I'm guessing around a third or so would never grow out of the manslut phase. Consequences ars more baked into the heterosexual relationships, but even then some men are more free to drop baby momma and fuck around as a hedonistic whore yet again. Women are more likely to get stuck with the long haul of a child (and develop different problems with that, don't worry, no one is blameless, etcetera). I think that being gay does extend the neverland phase, but I don't know if it's something that can be curved since men tend to be slower to mature in certain areas. The main problem is not letting partying, drugs, or your own ego consume your life and for a group of young men that can be extended into older age or until they do something impulsive and don't have an old age to live to anymore.

 

[AMHOLIO]

whatever.Even when a show does have 1 or 2 gay couples on it, its never enough for these people and they demand more LGBTQ rep.Its gotten to the point where these people straight up hate the idea of people who are straight or non trans.People are sick of them insisting characters are gay even when they're not like that.For example "Two best guy friends are close like brothers?They're clearly gay!" I saw that with Stan and Kyle from South Park because of how close they are.Yet people are so desperate to make those two a gay couple when we already have Tweek and Craig.

I could write essays about how much I'm tired of that shit. The entitlement fans have that they watched it and their personal fanfic preference should be in it NOW NOW NOW is fucking insane and I wish all people who take shipping seriously a very good touching some fucking grass for a year straight.

 

[Sonalee Rashitwar]

Anyway, I live in an area where a relatively high population of LGB. Up until 10 years or so, most gays were like you. Just normal people who happened to be gay and they didn’t make a big deal about it. It’s not that hid it either, but it was just no big deal. Then slowly being gay started to become an ~ identity ~ and gay people became insufferable and gay porn started showing up in schools. The normal gays got accused of trying to "assimilate into straightness " or some such bullshit so they stayed quiet or joined in being insufferable themselves. If gay people would just go back to being cool, I’d be cool with them.

Interesting to have that perspective on the change from a person outside my community.

I think this way because of the time I came out in and lived in for so long. When marriage equality was still much state by state and voted on, I had my spouse. This was everything for us. It was a clear goal for the community to focus on, with concrete steps to take. Everyone was on board about a basic goal. There were literally media groups training us and allies in the community about talking points and how to get the votes for our side. I found it fascinating and due to my interest in narratives for political “sides,” really thought about what this meant.

The main thing? If we wanted to be accepted, we had to humanize and normalize us to others, and act respectably. And we COULD NOT FIGHT among ourselves. Show a united front. It created a strong pressure to “be normal”, clear rules and steps for how to present, and an instinctive check on yourself that reminds you you’re a living representative. That you are in a fishbowl.

This can be harmful in some ways, and makes it difficult to always speak honestly. But does wonders for your impulse control and watching your behavior, which is also good for the actual relationship you’re doing media blitzes for.

It’s almost like the fall of the Soviet Union. Something that started with an ideology to genuinely help and uplift people, at least in theory, and it did cause development and standard of living for some. But the ethics of their ideology had knock-on effects of laziness and inefficiency which rotted the Union from within. If this empire’s going to fall, I want out early before Moscow starts plundering resources and dragging all the valuables to the oligarchs.

 

[Poppy Brown]

.Its gotten to the point where these people straight up hate the idea of people who are straight or non trans.People are sick of them insisting characters are gay even when they're not like that.For example "Two best guy friends are close like brothers?They're clearly gay!" I saw that with Stan and Kyle from South Park because of how close they are.Yet people are so desperate to make those two a gay couple when we already have Tweek and Craig.

It was this weird gay fetishization in fandoms that made me realize women could just be as much of a giant perv as men. The Supernatural fandom has some of the nastiness, most perverted gay porn (aka fanfiction) ever written and 99% of it was written by straight women. It doesn't even matter to these nasty fucks that the characters are brothers.

 

[Your_deadname_here]

Not sure if this has been posted before. It's the Spinal Tap of articles.

 

[Baraadmirer]

I personally dont care about gay people as a whole, and its "You do you", but what I am sick of is all of these spicy straight people who infect fandoms and want every character on a show to be LGBTQ whatever.Even when a show does have 1 or 2 gay couples on it, its never enough for these people and they demand more LGBTQ rep.Its gotten to the point where these people straight up hate the idea of people who are straight or non trans.People are sick of them insisting characters are gay even when they're not like that.For example "Two best guy friends are close like brothers?They're clearly gay!" I saw that with Stan and Kyle from South Park because of how close they are.Yet people are so desperate to make those two a gay couple when we already have Tweek and Craig.

I am quoting this to let you know I have left a react on this post.

Not sure if this has been posted before. It's the Spinal Tap of articles.

Gender is a social construct, so obviously transgender cats and dogs exist as humans have constructed such a concept. Ultimately it means nothing, as the ultimate transgender animals would be the parrots and lyrebirds.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

Has the troon shit made anyone else change their opinion on the gay shit? I used to be pretty cool with the gays, but now I see they led the way for the troon shit and then finding out Matthew Shepard was a giant lie made me realize that the gay shit was probably just the most successful psyop of all time. Like bravo TPTB for getting a large percentage of us to override our instinctual disgust at seeing two dudes together to go along with this shit as much as we have. That was some masterful brainwashing and societal control, and I can only tip my hat to them at this point.

In my case? Absolutely.

I may be biased because I was never truly OK with homosexuality, but I was ready and willing to live and let live, because during the aughts and tens, the anti-gay marriage side was losing. I was hoping that gays would finally shut up and keep to themselves after getting what they demanded, hoping that they'd finally return the favor. I hoped they'd get it into their skulls that the price of living in a pluralistic society is simply accepting the fact that some people consider homosexual acts to be immoral (even if they don't force this morality on others), and that it is immoral to discriminate and bully those people, even if their religion happens to make you assmad. Especially since homophobia has a stronger genetic component than homosexual orientation supposedly does.

But no, they only got worse after 2015. Anti-religious persecution intensified, grooming by troons and fags alike intensified (with an entire choir comprised of sex offenders openly taunting parents that they will groom their children), disgusting fetishes like polyamory and cuckoldry were being normalized, etc. And transgenderism was being normalized.

In the back of my mind, I knew it would happen. I knew that finally giving these degenerates what they wanted was, at best, an exercise in heaping coals on their head. Society gives them what they demand, even by legal fiat through the supreme court, and we all sit back, relax, and watch them discredit themselves and prove our forebears right when they said that there are terrible consequences for allowing faggotry to be normalized.

There was an entire instruction book written by Marshall Kirk and Hunter Madsen on how to browbeat people to accept homosexuality, and the gay community followed those instructions perfectly. And the only thing the troons had to do was follow the same instructions, except for transgenderism rather than homosexuality. As much as gays might complain about how troons rely on histrionics, cancel culture, and the leveraging of corporate power in order to spread their propaganda or ruin people they dislike, that's exactly what After the Ball instructed fags to do.

Anti troon gays might be (sorta) correct that transgenderism is at odds with homosexual ideology, but that absolutely doesn't matter in the slightest.

Gays could have easily chosen to be happy when anti-sodomy laws were struck down. They could have easily made peace with the fact that homosexuality is an alternative lifestyle that normal people have perfectly valid reasons to be repulsed by. They could have easily not whine about not being included in an institution (marriage) that they had scant respect for in the first place, kept their shit underground and away from polite society, and not shit where everyone else eats.

But no, they're too fucking narcissistic to do that, they instead chose to make their disgusting sexual procivities part of their whole identity, and then argue disengenuously that anti-sodomy attitudes or laws were discrimatory because faggotry was intrinsic to who they were. Just like troons, they willingly chose to lobby the government to expand the notion of "civil rights" to disgusting alternative lifestyles. While they were a heck of a lot better about disavowing pedophilia than troons are, that doesn't change the fact that they were overwhelmingly in support of decriminalizing pedophilia prior to the late 80s, only disavowed pedophilia as a pragmatic move during the 90s and 00s, and then began to go mask off about it again after 2015.

Gays have no one to blame but themselves for the tranny menace.

 

[Your_deadname_here]

Here we have Troon de Leon drinking an endless cup of validity from the Fountain of Troon by of all things, getting carded at a casino.

 

[Jacques1194]

I wonder if some of the gays of today will be straight in a couple of years. Some people don't have a sexuality, just a lust for attention.

That pretty much summons up the amount of bisexual women I see online.Some I know have only been in straight relationships, or never once engaged with another woman.Its like why bother claiming to be bisexual if you do jack shit about it?Its the same with those non binary people who do nothing in terms of transitioning.How is anyone going to know you aren't just going to drop that shit whenever LGBTQ stuff stops being trendy?Yet TRAs have the audacity to claim "No one would lie about being trans!"

 

[Jacques1194]

Not sure if this has been posted before. It's the Spinal Tap of articles.

Sorry about double post but just saw this.If transgenderism was a real thing then I do wonder why we dont see cases such as "Male monkey with female monkey's brain" or vice versa?If transgenderism is a real thing then its so bizarre that such a concept only exists for human beings.That idea the neutered male dog suddenly thinks he's female is a weird case, but if they really believed that then surely they'd give the dog a CT brain scan to see his "female brain".

 

[Doktor Grimm]

Spoiler: irrelevant wall of text re: fags

I do agree with a lot of what's been said above. Most gays are a little on the oversensitive side and should care less about what people think of their lifestyle and whatnot, particularly with the legalisation of gay marriage meaning we have access to essentially all the rights we could ask for. Homophobia should be considered a reasonable belief to hold so long as it doesn't involve real-life harassment -- I myself wouldn't deny that gay people are inherently less likely to experience satisfying romantic outcomes and are more prone to slipping into sexual deviancy compared to straight people, purely as a result of pursuing intimate relationships with the same sex.

THAT BEING SAID I'd still like to think that us homos should be entitled to the same privileges as everyone else, with the possible exception of adopting children. In the event that I do meet a swell guy to settle down with, it'd be a bit of a letdown if I wasn't able to be part of a legally recognised union with someone I'm committed to because my brain made the wrong connections at some point between conception and puberty.

Gays could have easily chosen to be happy when anti-sodomy laws were struck down. They could have easily made peace with the fact that homosexuality is an alternative lifestyle that normal people have perfectly valid reasons to be repulsed by. They could have easily not whine about not being included in an institution (marriage) that they had scant respect for in the first place, kept their shit underground and away from polite society, and not shit where everyone else eats.

Sure, it's on some level understandable why some people find fags icky. Yes, there is a lifestyle associated with homosexuality, and yes (echoing what @AMHOLIO said), it tends to end up gross and degenerate, because that's what can happen when a bunch of men with male sex drives are into each other. Same-sex attraction itself isn't a lifestyle. It just happens to people. Some people are going to get into gay relationships no matter what, and I don't really see why we should be expected to keep it under wraps when that's the case.

But no, they're too fucking narcissistic to do that, they instead chose to make their disgusting sexual procivities part of their whole identity, and then argue disengenuously that anti-sodomy attitudes or laws were discrimatory because faggotry was intrinsic to who they were.

I mean... they kinda are... and in a way, it kinda is. No amount of anti-gay laws can make us attracted to the opposite sex, so what's the point in enacting them? To make sure straights don't run the risk of seeing gross homos kissing on the subway? If the majority of regular people found that behaviour to be intolerably repulsive then we likely would never have made it to the legalisation of gay marriage.

I'll humour your claim that homophobia is an innate trait, since you've shown your sources here before -- even so, why should the temporary discomfort of a certain group override the rights of a different group to engage in relationships with the sex they're attracted to? Either faggotry is legal and you have to sometimes cross the street when a gay couple walks by, or it's criminalised and we can't show affection in public. Those outcomes don't seem balanced. I personally will always argue for homophobia to remain a protected belief (hey, maybe it's one you can't control!), but I'd also hope you'd understand that I can't really choose who I'm attracted to either and perhaps make accommodations based on that.

Anyway I'm rambling. I doubt I've really said anything you haven't heard before lol.