Off-Topic Random Trans Thoughts, Musings, and Questions - For all your armchair psych and general sperging

[SevenEleven]

This one hundred percent true. It is a huge betrayal of trust.

When that is said, I think they are lying. When they claim to have felt like this since childhood, it really means that they have been obsessing over the idea for a few months while watching porno. The whole gender identity fairy-tale just sells better than "I am addicted to coom and I have decided become a pervert full time".

I think it's a case of confirmation bias in a lot of them. The way the whole ''transgender journey'' is set up is that any slightly non-conforming behaviour exhibited in childhood must've been a sign that they were a tranny all along, and any weird feeling or mental illness they had was just a part of gender dysphoria all along. It's their whole egg thing. The ''all along'' thing is a complete bullcrap story and very manipulative, of course, but it's how they trick people into rationalizing this for themselves. It's more analogous to losing people to cults. An addict usually knows his behaviour is harmful to those around him, a cult member will swear that their destructive behaviour is a good thing and will cut you off if you disagree.

Like you said, there are also just the archcoomers who just tell the fairy-tale, don't need any of the aforementioned cope and just use the cult language as an excuse to get their rocks off, but I think it's the minority gauging from the amount of egg obsession and ''I picked up a doll once as a kid'' cope there is out there. It's a convenient framework that lets coomers and very mentally ill people lie to others and most often themselves.

Because, the latter is ALSO a huge betrayal of trust. No matter what, trooning out is a stab in the back of your spouse and children.

It's a big stab in the back to the troon's entire social circle. You have to play along with this skinwalker who claims to be the same friend you always knew, but they never stay the same. They always just become like any other tranny, it's guaranteed a troon-out makes you suddenly grow apart for one reason or another, no matter how much you please or play along. There are systematic and ideological threats of suicide if you don't play along, so if you want the husk of your old acquaintance to stay alive you have to walk on eggshells (assuming the threats aren't hollow and just for manipulation, which they most often are).

Spouses and children receive the pinnacle of this backstab because they are naturally closest to the newly-minted troon. The fact that there's a pattern of many trannies then also abandoning their familial duties to ''explore themselves'' just makes it even worse for them.

 

[countrybumpkin]

Funny how so many troons all have an interest in cosplay/fantasy.

 

[AMHOLIO]

Funny how so many troons all have an interest in cosplay/fantasy.

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Fandom is a way to dive deep into a world without thinking about your own. It's a form of escapism, especially cosplay where people get attention, hugs, high fives, friendships, and so much else because they "are" (dressed as) a character people like. LARPing, Roleplay, Cosplay, and such all hsve a huge escapism fantasy to them.... like trans people trying to be Aiden McYaoiHands and Lilith Serenity Midnight Vengeance. I'm not Dan Smith who doesn't have many friends due to my own unrrsolved issues and hangups and a low drive to achieve anything, I'm Lily Ellie Smith, the better version who has a lot of trans friends and completes trans goals. I'm not bogstandard teen Maria Gonzalez, I'm Roman Sky, they/he or they/they, and I am an attractive gender amorphous who doesn't have to conform to the laws of society.

The other answer is a lot of them have autism, OCD traits, and other illnesses that can get you deep into fandoms but also trooning. OCD thoughts can compel a person to think constantly about Marvel as much as it can about gender, or you can escape from them through a fandom. Card collecting is great for horders, depressed people who don't have accomplishments outside of what they can purchase, and autists and aspergers who like rules and collecting. Fandom attracts misfits because it's easier than achieving something physical, mental, or skill based and getting bullied for it (even if you shouldn't) or putting effort into it (straight up lazy or actually depression sapped). All you need to do to achieve is to see enough of that media and talk about it. It's good for those who struggle to make friends and could use some people to introduce them to new purposes and hobbies, and for those who can't do much moving/exercise because of actual physical disabilities (not just munchie or FAT), but sadly grouping so many vunerable young and mentally abnormal people in one place has its consequences.

As a PSA to all parents, please chaparone your children at conventions. Mine did for me and it was the right call. I had a good time without worry, and it can still be positive for your kids too as long as they know what to look out for.

 

[Jacques1194]

Funny how so many troons all have an interest in cosplay/fantasy.

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This user isn't wrong.Like I said before, fandoms (at least the ones I'm in) are filled with LGBTQ specials.This is especially true on the teenager side of fandoms.Anyone who doubts LGBTQ being a social contagion should ask the question as to why are only(or an extreme large majority) LGBTQ teenagers obsessed with being in fandoms?This is especially true in shipping fandoms.I've seen more gay shipping than any straight shipping with characters, and its bizarre.You would have to believe a tiny minority of straight people in fandoms love shipping.

The other answer is a lot of them have autism, OCD traits, and other illnesses that can get you deep into fandoms but also trooning. OCD thoughts can compel a person to think constantly about Marvel as much as it can about gender, or you can escape from them through a fandom. Card collecting is great for horders, depressed people who don't have accomplishments outside of what they can purchase, and autists and aspergers who like rules and collecting. Fandom attracts misfits because it's easier than achieving something physical, mental, or skill based and getting bullied for it (even if you shouldn't) or putting effort into it (straight up lazy or actually depression sapped). All you need to do to achieve is to see enough of that media and talk about it. It's good for those who struggle to make friends and could use some people to introduce them to new purposes and hobbies, and for those who can't do much moving/exercise because of actual physical disabilities (not just munchie or FAT), but sadly grouping so many vunerable young and mentally abnormal people in one place has its consequences.

With how much LGBT stuff has been a social contagion, I really wonder how many of these teens and young people are lying about being gay, or trans to make themselves seem cooler, and different online.It's really hard to believe that there's this many legit LGBTQ people in a fandom to where they even outnumber straight and non trans people.Unfortunately, there's no way to know since its the internet.

 

[Space Police]

With how much LGBT stuff has been a social contagion, I really wonder how many of these teens and young people are lying about being gay, or trans to make themselves seem cooler, and different online.It's really hard to believe that there's this many legit LGBTQ people in a fandom to where they even outnumber straight and non trans people.Unfortunately, there's no way to know since its the internet.

They're lying, especially to themselves. Part of the reason many just don't stick with the more realistic sexuality/gender microlabels and fully troon out is because they know deep down that it's not something realistic they can bake into every second of their life, but fully trooning out is.

This user isn't wrong.Like I said before, fandoms (at least the ones I'm in) are filled with LGBTQ specials.This is especially true on the teenager side of fandoms.Anyone who doubts LGBTQ being a social contagion should ask the question as to why are only(or an extreme large majority) LGBTQ teenagers obsessed with being in fandoms?This is especially true in shipping fandoms.I've seen more gay shipping than any straight shipping with characters, and its bizarre.You would have to believe a tiny minority of straight people in fandoms love shipping.

The question is the other way around. So many shipping fandoms are gender-poisoned because these women and girls don't want to be seen as creepily fetishistic towards gay men, so they call themselves men or enbies online to escape the dogpile. This has always been the case in fandom; before the gender trend, women who were into slash fic had to worry about homophobes telling them they're supporting sinful degeneracy (so nothing has changed). On top of that, fujos tend to have a bad case of Not Like The Other Girls. As it is, they gravitate towards slash fic because they feel like it's the only way to explore relationships and sexuality without being a pornstar or a tradwife -- they don't necessarily hate being female or feminine, which is why mpreg and "yaoi holes" are such popular tropes -- so if there's a way to opt out of being a gross cissy woman and be human (aka non-female) instead, they take it, which is why they poon out. Given that slash fic has always been the backbone of fandom, I have to wonder if it's the reason why gender spread to fandom at large.

 

[Tragon Dirtle]

I feel the same way with people who come out as gay years after marriage too. I'm British, there's a TV presenter called
Phillip Schofield who was married to his wife for 27 years before admitting he was gay. Twenty seven fucking years. The press were almost all calling him brave for this. It was insane.

tbf they are still married and have no plans to divorce. I think the man's bisexual and probably was allowed to do whatever he wanted as long as it didn't get back to her - until it did. I think she probably had some idea of the age difference too; he met the runner he groomed at a drama school for boys he sponsored and would regularly visit. I would feel sorry for most women in her situation, but I simply don't believe she didn't know. I think she's primarily there for the lifestyle.

 

[TruffleSpark]

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No offense but when I was in the trans cult they basically…lead kids to suicide or suicide ideation? Like if your parents don’t accept you and use your pronouns and let you transition, you are no longer safe there. Your life is in danger. You have to run away. Where can you run to? Make a GoFundMe. You’re homeless now. Or you don’t have the resources to leave. What else can you do? Idk but like it’s ridiculous but that’s the narrative they put into minors heads (mine) ? They emphasize the whole world validating you and when they don’t THEYRE the problem, they’re why you’re dysphoric and unsafe. They make kids feel helpless and hopeless. They exacerbate issues. No wonder those kids are so mentally fragile??? What kind of community promotes this???

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And what’s so interesting is that the same doesn’t happen when it comes to same-sex attracted kids. We’re then told that it’s going to get better, that it sucks to not have supportive parents but that sometimes they accept it with time, that it’s okay to take distance with your homophobic family but to do it when you’re financially independent, that it’s perfectly reasonable to stay in the closet if you’re dependant from your family and it’s for safety reasons, etc. The difference is huge and must be acknowledged because the way we’re treated as young LGBs seeking psychological help/support is done mostly in a safe way whereas kids who start to question their “gender identity” (whatever that is) only get to follow a more and more dangerous path that is constantly pushed in their way.

Exactly! There wasn’t any of this “if they don’t accept it in zero seconds that means they want you dead” bullshit. “It gets better” meant a LOT of things.

When I was young, we were told that even if we waited until a safe time to come out, it was likely our parents would struggle to accept us at first, even if they’re open minded and good people. We were told it’s often more difficult for the same-sex parent who may wonder if they “did something wrong “ or “weren’t a good role model” etc. we were told that even in families that reacted poorly and rejected their gay children, they tended to come around and accept them in 4-5 years (average). I don’t remember the exact numbers or studies but I remember that kind of information circling and how it might take a few years for them to be comfortable around your partner but that you had to be patient and keep in mind how far they’d come from total rejection.
Those are the expectations that were set for gay kids. Why is it all the opposite for these opt-in identities? Possibly because they ARE opt-in, and fads that appeal to their preteen/teen sensibilities. If they told kids to wait until they become adults to talk to their parents about it, these “trans” kids would grow out of the trans ideation before they even got a chance to “come out “ and make a fuss. That’s why they have to kick up a fuss immediately and demonize anything less than complete capitulation. There won’t be “trans kids” otherwise and the whole number will plummet.
The AGPs spearheading the movement need the lie that trans identities are innate/immutable/ whatever their current line is. The AGPs need the kids to destroy themselves so they can get off on how -valid- they are.

Depressing as shit to read posts like this from 2016. I wasn't aware that anything like this was going on. I was vaguely aware of the existence of trannies, but I never suspected how weirdly culty the whole thing is.

 

[Aunt Carol]

If they told kids to wait until they become adults to talk to their parents about it, these “trans” kids would grow out of the trans ideation before they even got a chance to “come out “ and make a fuss. That’s why they have to kick up a fuss immediately and demonize anything less than complete capitulation

I used to listen to Loveline, which was a different show in a different era. One thing that came up a lot, though, was teenagers who absolutely had to tell their parents they were gay/bi even though they knew the parents would retaliate, or already did and it was going badly.

The hosts would advise not to come out, get good grades, move out for college, as practical steps. They'd also try to get the kid to discuss what they thought would happen if they came out at 16 to their parents, and why they wanted this to happen. Loveline had a lot of insight into the tendency of teens and crazy people to want to cause drama; it was educational entertainment. Also impromptu PSAs about changing the battery in your smoke detector, which is absolutely not just a black thing, QED.

 

[Jacques1194]

No offense but when I was in the trans cult they basically…lead kids to suicide or suicide ideation? Like if your parents don’t accept you and use your pronouns and let you transition, you are no longer safe there. Your life is in danger. You have to run away. Where can you run to? Make a GoFundMe. You’re homeless now. Or you don’t have the resources to leave. What else can you do? Idk but like it’s ridiculous but that’s the narrative they put into minors heads (mine) ? They emphasize the whole world validating you and when they don’t THEYRE the problem, they’re why you’re dysphoric and unsafe. They make kids feel helpless and hopeless. They exacerbate issues. No wonder those kids are so mentally fragile??? What kind of community promotes this???

Why does nobody call out troons like Anthony Reed,Chris Tyson,and all the other TIPs who transitioned later in life on this?Troons like Tony uses the "trans kids will kill themselves if they dont get life saving care", but if thats true why didn't tony kill himself when he was a teen if it was that dire?Why does he use fear monger if he's that concerned for "trans kids"?If tony, or other TRAs cared about these children then they would of shown the many examples of trans people who transitioned later in life, and live happy lives.Yet they never do that because?

 

[Redoniblueoni]

This one hundred percent true. It is a huge betrayal of trust.

When that is said, I think they are lying. When they claim to have felt like this since childhood, it really means that they have been obsessing over the idea for a few months while watching porno. The whole gender identity fairy-tale just sells better than "I am addicted to coom and I have decided become a pervert full time".

Because, the latter is ALSO a huge betrayal of trust. No matter what, trooning out is a stab in the back of your spouse and children.

You're correct, they are almost all lieing when they say they have "felt like this from childhood". They are coopting what homosexuals have said forever, because they think it legitimates them. A feminine gay man may have felt feminine since he can remember, as well as a masculine woman. Most troon males are not feminine however, and of course the troon females are typically not masculine either. Especially not since "as long as they can remember"

My brother made statements several times about how he "felt like this since birth" and had such serious dysphoria as a child he hated taking pictures. This was news to me of course as I vividly remember him being somewhat of an attention hog, and there is a family picture of us on the fridge right now of him very clearly thrilled to be in the picture. He was also a very early youtuber with his friends in HS when he had already started balding, so I guess none of that was dysphoria enducing.

They just lie. They lie to fit in, they lie to sound more believable, they lie for fun. They're all around terrible partners in general but especially because ultimately the only thing that matters to them, truly, is their troonsona (oh, and maybe porn).

 

[Otis Mallebrok]

They just lie. They lie to fit in, they lie to sound more believable, they lie for fun. They're all around terrible partners in general but especially because ultimately the only thing that matters to them, truly, is their troonsona (oh, and maybe porn).

I have been going back and forth on whether they are just born like this, or if they become like this because of internet and pornography. They seem to be all deeply into a porno addiction and totally brainwashed by their online hugboxes. But maybe they would still be addicted to other types of instant gratification, if the internet had not existed. I think we ought to shut off the internet for two years just as an experiment. To see how it changes people.

 

[Redoniblueoni]

I have been going back and forth on whether they are just born like this, or if they become like this because of internet and pornography. They seem to be all deeply into a porno addiction and totally brainwashed by their online hugboxes. But maybe they would still be addicted to other types of instant gratification, if the internet had not existed. I think we ought to shut off the internet for two years just as an experiment. To see how it changes people.

I believe Blanchards theory. They'll call him a quack until the sun goes down but I think it's a kink that they take too far due to porn. It's one thing to do all this in private, but it's only because they see other troons "living their truth" that they can come out in droves to do it themselves in public. Basically they are born with the kink, but that does NOT mean transitioning is the answer. The answer is being a more well rounded individual and simply living your life as your true self, which doesn't include cutting up body parts. Porn addiction, sex addiction, these all contribute to pushing them further down this hole. Hence why so many nerds are taking the troonpill, many are shut ins that spend too much time on the internet.
I think without internet for 2 years it's likely they'd still be massively turned onto the idea, but their sex life would return to a more normal functioning state. A much smaller fraction would consider transitioning.

 

[FBI-chan]

Every post about the qt tomboy genocide troons out another girl. Many girls who troon out do so because they fear the sexual attention that comes from males being creeps to women and girls. Anything a girl does, even those that attempt to make herself undesirable, is inevitably fetishized by males (grimy shutin nerd girls are not an uncommon fantasy of basement dwelling males) and being fed up with this is one of many reasons a girl may want to troon out.

Yes, there are many other reasons, some far more vapid and stupid, a girl may want to troon out. But wanting to escape the oversexualization that comes with merely existing as a female is one I find at least a little bit sympathy-worthy. Trooning out is still not a solution to males refusing to act like humans, but I can see why a girl would think it is.

Mourning the loss of a "qt big tiddy tomboy gf" you wanted to fuck only makes them more resolute in trooning out, as they do not want to be a creepy male's "qt tomboy gf." The word "tomboy" is basically a fetish category now.

 

[Vandyke Clown]

I have been going back and forth on whether they are just born like this, or if they become like this because of internet and pornography. They seem to be all deeply into a porno addiction and totally brainwashed by their online hugboxes. But maybe they would still be addicted to other types of instant gratification, if the internet had not existed. I think we ought to shut off the internet for two years just as an experiment. To see how it changes people.

“Trans” as an umbrella term drives a lot of defective thinking. It’s so wide that it cannot possibly all be the same etiology. Think about how the teenage trender FtMs are so completely unlike the middle-aged pornotroons. It’s like cancer - lots of different diseases with different causes, all under the same label.

It’s nearly always a mistake to attribute a single cause to complex phenomena. Reality isn’t that easy. Just like cancer has contributing factors (genetics, tobacco, obesity, viruses, radiation, and more), we see contributing factors to transness that operate in different proportions in each individual: paraphilias, pornography, social media bubbles, isolation, bullying, abuse, trauma, misogyny, homophobia, and good old fashioned psychosis.

 

[Deepland Bystander]

There's a pair of conjoined twins that just died called Lori and Geroge (Dori) who's conjoined on their foreheads, they were female and sharing a portion of their brains, however one of them pooned out (no testosterone though). The pooner one could not walk and needed her twin to carry her around. For two people that have to be stuck together inseparably, sharing the same genetic and part of the same brain (although they couldn't share their thoughts). Why don't people start to question that perhaps 'trans identity' is not really innate as we're told?

It seem to also be common for physically disabled people and people with chronic conditions that need a lot of doctor visits frequently to troon out because they want to feel like they have control of their body. too.

 

[AMHOLIO]

It seem to also be common for physically disabled people and people with chronic conditions that need a lot of doctor visits frequently to troon out because they want to feel like they have control of their body. too.

If George's birth name was Dori and she HAD to be carried by her sister, she must have felt even worse than most twins trying to have separate identities to their siblings. I've read same gender twins and siblings trooning out and you could feel part of it was because of their need for independence. For Dori, she wasn't even a complement to Lori, she was just the thing Lori dragged around that had almost the same name as her. I don't blame her for thinking to poon. At least name her Diane instead of Dori so she isn't an afterthought...

 

[weirdwound]

I've noticed my ex is becoming a reply guy to troons.....l o l

 

[Arpharp8976Fire]

Anyone else think percentage trans will become a thing? Like people saying I'm 40% Female, 60% Male etc.

 

[Redoniblueoni]

I've noticed my ex is becoming a reply guy to troons.....l o l

You mean a soon-to-be reply ""girl""

 

[FATTESTCUNT 2.0]

I've noticed my ex is becoming a reply guy to troons.....l o l

Who finished with who?

If he's a reply guy to troons, I hope that's enough for you to stop checking out what he's doing and just say "OK...... next!".