Off-Topic Random Trans Thoughts, Musings, and Questions - For all your armchair psych and general sperging

[deermeat]

you seem pretty angry and seething hon

they're adults, they can do it, gender dysphoria is medically recognized and the only effective treatment is transitioning, my entire point is that it's become a fashion statement and it wasn't 50 years ago when there were set strictures in place to actually help trannies transition and not have what we have now

I don't give a fuck about "trans widows" anyway

Also, do you think regular homos should go thru conversion therapy to become heteros? A lot of what you say can be applied to the regular gays as well.

Ive been diagnosed withn GD as a lesbian woman, son HSTS past pooner whom never medically transitioned. I'm 4'9 with big boobs and an ass despite being average weight, I would never pass. What about people like me, huh? "Transitioning is the only cure" yeah right. The community is shallow as fuck and turned into straight people larping as oppressed minorities, fixated on who passes the most so they can get their rocks off harder as opposed to actual dsyphoria.

Its almost like the original type of GD was just the result of a homophobic society that tells us that we are deviants who are biologically defects for not behaving like the way the average person of our sex would. That in combination with overall body dsymoprhia in general, which as someone else pointed out, plays a large part in sensory issues and a sense of lack of control similar to other body dsymorphia cases.

According to troon idealoogy, the cure is to transition and yet if you cant pass then your GD is less valid or whatever. Soooo.. You have to be born in a certain body.... To be able to feel like youn were born in the "wrong body"... So that you can correct it with changing your physical body, but again only if you were born in a body that could pass as the body you feel like you werent born into.

 

[ilovecornsyrup]

it's not conversion therapy

what is your treatment for gender dysphoria, everything else doesn't seem to actually work

also the traditional "butch" lesbian who wears a suit and presents as masculine as possible already comes across like a tranny soooooo


apparently in the 1970s stuff like this was the default and after that the premarin and SRS

you know, like how actual psychiatry works

You could make the argument that for some people with gender dysphoria, hormones can help psychologically. I don't think that idea is that far out considering that there exist people (of both sexes) who pump themselves with T for more energy/sex drive/confidence, and there have been experiments with giving estrogen to autistic and sociopathic men. The long-term health effects would be another matter though.

HOWEVER, you couldn't use this line of thinking to claim that transition is an effective treatment, because a successful transition is by definition impossible. You can get a bunch of surgeries, cut a hole in your crotch or whatever and you still won't be a woman or even look like one. The entire concept of "transition" is chasing something that is impossible. "Social transition" is really just bullying people into calling you something you're not, and even if that illusion makes someone feel better, it will eventually shatter. At some point each tranny will realize that despite getting a ton of surgeries and bullying people, their transitions failed. That's when the 41% happens.

 

[TaimuRadiu]

I don't think "gender dysphoria" is a tool of a homophobic society nor do I think a successful transition is impossible.

Also lol apparently my thoughts really are pretty controversial on the Farms.

 

[Izdaja Slika]

Also, do you think regular homos should go thru conversion therapy to become heteros? A lot of what you say can be applied to the regular gays as well.

One of the most retarded and false analogies ever invented was 'the same arguments for gay acceptance apply to trans acceptance, and you can't accept gays without also accepting trans ideology', and I will tell you for why:

1) Gays don't require any affirmation of their gayness from others. There is a reason nobody has even thought the concept, let alone uttered "you will never be gay".

2) Gayness, even if you don't believe it exists for some reason, does not require a literal miracle. That a man could be sexually attracted to men is evidenced daily. That a man can somehow become a woman has never been evidenced, because it is both biologically and linguistically self-contradictory.

3) Gayness does not require any social coercion from others. Gays don't ask you to call them gay, they do not ask you to use pronouns that conflict with their biological sex, they do not seek access to single-sex spaces if they are the sex that does not qualify.

4) Gayness does not require a lifetime of social transition, wrong-sex hormones, and surgeries to live as a gay. And if one day being gay no longer interests you, you can just stop. There is no detransition from gayness because there is no transition.

5) What would authenticity be for a gay man? It would be to admit his feelings and live life openly. What does trans ideology offer as 'authenticity'? It means to deny your biological sex, which is determined before birth and immutable; to alter your body, via wrong-sex hormones and drugs to ape the body of the other sex; to deny your history and, like a criminal, emerge with a new name and identity; and finally, to 'pass' or even 'go stealth', that is to make the lie a permanent and ineluctable aspect of your life and the lives of those around you.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Also lol apparently my thoughts really are pretty controversial on the Farms.

Your thoughts are retarded. Treating a profound psychological problem with radical cosmetic surgery and destructive endocrine intervention is not remotely ethical in any form, and in any other circumstances would be roundly condemned. We don't remove limbs for people with body dysmorphophobia, we don't remove fat for people with anorexia, and we don't remove the ability to see for people who "identify as blind". The fact that such surgical intervention has been normalised for the treatment of a specific anxiety speaks only to how fucked up society has become.

 

[TaimuRadiu]

One of the most retarded and false analogies ever invented was 'the same arguments for gay acceptance apply to trans acceptance, and you can't accept gays without also accepting trans ideology', and I will tell you for why:

1) Gays don't require any affirmation of their gayness from others. There is a reason nobody has even thought the concept, let alone uttered "you will never be gay".

2) Gayness, even if you don't believe it exists for some reason, does not require a literal miracle. That a man could be sexually attracted to men is evidenced daily. That a man can somehow become a woman has never been evidenced, because it is both biologically and linguistically self-contradictory.

3) Gayness does not require any social coercion from others. Gays don't ask you to call them gay, they do not ask you to use pronouns that conflict with their biological sex, they do not seek access to single-sex spaces if they are the sex that does not qualify.

4) Gayness does not require a lifetime of social transition, wrong-sex hormones, and surgeries to live as a gay. And if one day being gay no longer interests you, you can just stop. There is no detransition from gayness because there is no transition.

5) What would authenticity be for a gay man? It would be to admit his feelings and live life openly. What does trans ideology offer as 'authenticity'? It means to deny your biological sex, which is determined before birth and immutable; to alter your body, via wrong-sex hormones and drugs to ape the body of the other sex; to deny your history and, like a criminal, emerge with a new name and identity; and finally, to 'pass' or even 'go stealth', that is to make the lie a permanent and ineluctable aspect of your life and the lives of those around you.

So if these were just people who were crossdressing, doing all the trans stuff, yet going "I'm still a boy" you would be OK with that?

Your thoughts are retarded. Treating a profound psychological problem with radical cosmetic surgery and destructive endocrine intervention is not remotely ethical in any form, and in any other circumstances would be roundly condemned. We don't remove limbs for people with body dysmorphophobia, we don't remove fat for people with anorexia, and we don't remove the ability to see for people who "identify as blind". The fact that such surgical intervention has been normalised for the treatment of a specific anxiety speaks only to how fucked up society has become.

It's normalised because apparently there isn't really much of an alternative, else we wouldn't have what we have now.

@deermeat

How are you actually treating your GD? Obviously it's debilitating enough that somewhere along the line you got a diagnosis from a psych.

 

[Izdaja Slika]

I read an article today from a leftist feminist, and one of the things she was kvetching about (obviously) was men, but she specifically said cisgender men.

I've noticed this has started becoming more common. In previous years, feminists would have no problem calling out men as a group. But of course they meant cisgender men, and now with trans ideology as leftist dogma they need to specify that it's a certain kind of man that murders and rapes and sexually assaults women: cisgender men, of course!

I rolled my eyes but the more I thought about it, the more amusing it became. This Guardianista feminist handmaiden plainly implied "oh, I don't mean trans men do the murdering and raping and sexual assaulting of women, I meant real men, you know?"

tl;dr Leftist feminists now so played by their own handmaidening they now have their own notallmen hashtag.

 

[2mm and 99 others]

I don't think "gender dysphoria" is a tool of a homophobic society nor do I think a successful transition is impossible.

Also lol apparently my thoughts really are pretty controversial on the Farms.

You think transition is possible, only because trannies are desperately trying to bend the definition of what a man or woman is (the material reality of strictly biological categories and nothing else).
What you get by transition, is a man who had a lot of surgeries and takes a lot of medicine to more or less "pass" to people who don't know him from the time before, all those things he wouldn't ...need, if he wasn't a man.

 

[Izdaja Slika]

So if these were just people who were crossdressing, doing all the trans stuff, yet going "I'm still a boy" you would be OK with that?

What do you mean by 'doing all the trans stuff'? Because if it means controlling the language of ordinary people under the threat of State punishment, accessing single-sex spaces and activities of the sex class they do not belong to, using the State to lie on their behalf like retroactively changing their birth certificate?

Because that's 'doing all the trans stuff', and no, I'm not okay with any of that.

But if you mean 'dresses like a hooker, calls himself Lilith, and posts awful pictures on social media'? Go for your life mate why would I possibly care?

 

[TaimuRadiu]

You think transition is possible, only because trannies are desperately trying to bend the definition of what a man or woman is (the material reality of strictly biological categories and nothing else).
What you get by transition, is a man who had a lot of surgeries and takes a lot of medicine to more or less "pass" to people who don't know him from the time before, all those things he wouldn't ...need, if he wasn't a man.

You've never known any women north of 40 have you, women do all those things anyway lol.

What do you mean by 'doing all the trans stuff'? Because if it means controlling the language of ordinary people under the threat of State punishment, accessing single-sex spaces and activities of the sex class they do not belong to, using the State to lie on their behalf like retroactively changing their birth certificate?

Because that's 'doing all the trans stuff', and no, I'm not okay with any of that.

But if you mean 'dresses like a hooker, calls himself Lilith, and posts awful pictures on social media'? Go for your life mate why would I possibly care?

You probably would since you're posting on Kiwifarms, an internet drama website

 

[Izdaja Slika]

You probably would since you're posting on Kiwifarms, an internet drama website

Oy vey. If you were not going to believe my response, why ask for it?

But in any case, why would my internal state about seeing a man calling himself Lilith and asking for asspats on social media matter? My internal state isn't relevant to his freedom to do so. On the other hand, if I proposed using the power of the State to punish him for doing so, that matters.

Also, making fun of someone does not mean you are bothered by their behaviour or even that you want it to stop. I made fun of someone's Spotify Wrapped song list but that doesn't mean I was bothered by it or that I want him to not listen to it.

 

[teriyakiburns]

It's normalised because apparently there isn't really much of an alternative,

There is. It's called therapy, for body dysmorphia or anxiety, which was the normal and entirely successful means of treating any latent dysphoria until the 90s. Instead, we now enable delusions and cater to fetishists and promote surgical intervention to "treat" a mental condition, because it's more profitable for a whole host of professionals and institutions. You constantly repeating that it's the "only treatment" is your own ignorance talking.

 

[TaimuRadiu]

There is. It's called therapy, for body dysmorphia or anxiety, which was the normal and entirely successful means of treating any latent dysphoria until the 90s. Instead, we now enable delusions and cater to fetishists and promote surgical intervention to "treat" a mental condition. You constantly repeating that it's the "only treatment" is your own ignorance talking.

SRS has been a thing since the 1920s, the first major tranny in the Western world to have gotten it was Christine Jorgensen in the 50s, and there were trannies in the USA getting it since the 70s. It wasn't successful.

 

[2mm and 99 others]

You've never known any women north of 40 have you, women do all those things anyway lol.

Wtf, I wasn't aware that in middle-aged women, their vagina grows shut and they need a new one from their shit tube.

 

[TaimuRadiu]

Wtf, I wasn't aware that in middle-aged women, their vagina grows shut and they need a new one from their shit tube.

They do get any number of cosmetic surgeries and a lot are on estrogen.

 

[teriyakiburns]

SRS has been a thing since the 1920s, the first major tranny in the Western world to have gotten it was Christine Jorgensen in the 50s, and there were trannies in the USA getting it since the 70s. It wasn't successful.

The first SRS was carried out by a crackpot fetishist, who thought flesh was infinitely malleable and who wanted to turn a man into a woman to satisfy his own degenerate desires. His patients all died. That doesn't speak to the success or failure of conventional therapy, because it was the actions of an insane man who dragged other insane men down with him.

Everything since that time has been post-hoc rationalisations of why ignoring previously successful theraputic pathways in favour of surgical intervention to treat a fucking mental condition is good actually.

a lot are on estrogen.

Now I know you're a fucking retard. Hormone supplementation to restore an ideal balance is not remotely the same as inducing a deliberate, physiologically damaging hormonal imbalance.

 

[TaimuRadiu]

The first SRS was carried out by a crackpot fetishist, who thought flesh was infinitely malleable and who wanted to turn a man into a woman to satisfy his own degenerate desires. His patients all died. That doesn't speak to the success or failure of conventional therapy, because it was the actions of an insane man who dragged other insane men down with him.

Everything since that time has been post-hoc rationalisations of why ignoring previously successful theraputic pathways in favour of surgical intervention to treat a fucking mental condition is good actually.


Now I know you're a fucking retard. Hormone supplementation to restore an ideal balance is not remotely the same as inducing a deliberate, physiologically damaging hormonal imbalance.

If you're referring to Magnus Hirschfeld they didn't die, and some were still around as of the 1960s.

They weren't "previously successful" because they were focused on trying to make the person a normal heterosexual male, up to and including a lobotomy - and if the choice is lobotomy or transition, I'm going to consider transition better every time.

 

[YWNBAM]

The only medically recognized treatment for gender dysphoria is transitioning, and I'm fine with that.

A "gender-critical" weeb fujo or fudanshi idk anymore with you space opera fags who is still, at heart, a handmaiden to her skirt-wearing, cock-sucking overlords? Say it ain't so.

Retards like you were the ones applauding on tumblr when this shit started growing, with the same rethorics about free choice and how cutting off dicks and tits is a good thing, actually. This is what these surgeon-butchers are thinking as they cut into the flesh of another little pooner to make a rotdog. This is moral ignorance doubled with self-interest, be it money or the validation of their own fetish or pride.

Anyways, forced psychiatric treatment is the only way to go for these clearly mentally unwell people. Degenerate faggots with a boner for body modifications and their loyal coomer faghags may also follow them straight into the loony bin. Less gay = more okay

 

[teriyakiburns]

If you're referring to Magnus Hirschfeld they didn't die, and some were still around as of the 1960s.

If they didn't die, then it only demonstrates the ability of the human body to endure massive trauma and continue limping on. Hirschfield was the pioneer of troon surgery and he did it for entirely fetishitic and financial reasons. The whole field follows in his footsteps; troonery is immensely profitable for a small cadre of plastic surgeons, who are often troons themselves, and who gain sexual satisfaction through the conversion of men into crude facsimiles of the female form. They go out of their way to denigrate any alternatives, as those alternatives threaten their income and power, and people like you swallow their lies because it makes you feel better.

 

[TaimuRadiu]

If they didn't die, then it only demonstrates the ability of the human body to endure massive trauma and continue limping on. Hirschfield was the pioneer of troon surgery and he did it for entirely fetishitic and financial reasons. The whole field follows in his footsteps; troonery is immensely profitable for a small cadre of plastic surgeons, who are often troons themselves, and who gain sexual satisfaction through the conversion of men into crude facsimiles of the female form. They go out of their way to denigrate any alternatives and people like you swallow their lies because it makes you feel better.

No, there aren't really any alternatives and as @YWNBAM has helped to illustrate, the "alternative" is not being a homosexual since apparently all homos deserve the rope.