They weren't considered as much of a problem to go after because they weren't a threat to public health and order the way people saw gay/bi men as being. And they weren't seen that way because it's true that they aren't that way. Though some of them do seem to fight each other a lot.
Just to add a little bit of a kicker to your statement: Victorian men were also encouraged to have sexual relationships outside of their wives. They were particularly encouraged to go to brothels to prevent themselves from having “too much pleasurable” sex with their wives. It only stopped as soon as it started because they were giving every one syphilis. A slow and brutal STD that would pretty much rot most your face off and punch holes in your brain for shits and giggles. So a lot of ppl were being punished for their husbands/lovers fuck up. Penicillin was only beginning to be manufactured on mass in 1945, so you were fucked pretty much on the spot if you caught it.
So men, like prostitutes, were treat like nasty, filthy bitches. Why because they would fuck each other, fuck their wives and pass it down the line to everyone else including their children born from their infected wives. Unless these lesbians were also prostitutes, no one fucking cared what they did.
Victorians were really fucking weird. I've also learned that they had a lot of rampant degeneracy and weird fucky shit going on and the Victorian prudishness we all hear about in pop culture was actually a push back against some of it.
Good sex is healthy for a marriage and a sign that things are usually generally okay. Wild to think they thought it was good to have the exact opposite of that.
I’ll give senior-citizen trannies this, some of them were ballsy cross dressing when they were younger. No one in their right mind would choose to look like a man in a dress and own it. Especially not back when ppl were actually beating the shit out of you, and trying to discharge you to Jesus Christ directly. Not like the stories ppl write now about some dude calling them ‘sir’ at a grocery store.
Who tf would choose to be a dirt poor hooker for fun back then? Especially with actual ppl fucking you up cause they can get away with it. You bet my ass, I’d listen to them before a Tuesday stripper TIM tries to tell me what’s up. Holy shit, the ‘yes, king, show your chi-chi for 2.99’ e-whores might as well be a hallucination in my mind
The same type that would be dirt poor hookers presently. Retarded, crazed faggots.
That's why they didn't give a shit and "had balls". THEY'RE INSANE PEOPLE JANET! (Also, the amount of ass whooping is greatly over exaggerated. People would've given them shit but they were safer from random violence than what people assume. Most of the problems came from being kicked out of home and fired from jobs. Social ostracizing but not necessarily random assaults. If you're hooking you're going to have trouble with polite society to a certain extent anyway, regardless of how you present yourself or what your sex is, especially if you also use drugs as most of them do.)
Lesbians do not have the health consequences for the public that gay/bi men do. They do not have penetrative sex except for with toys and those are going to be kept clean (I hope) and do not pass STDs as a result since people don't (I hope) share toys. Lesbians have the lowest rate of STDs out of any demographic. Fucking an asshole is just inherently a risky way to get off and inherently unclean. They weren't considered as much of a problem to go after because they weren't a threat to public health and order the way people saw gay/bi men as being. And they weren't seen that way because it's true that they aren't that way. Though some of them do seem to fight each other a lot.
Victorians were really fucking weird. I've also learned that they had a lot of rampant degeneracy and weird fucky shit going on and the Victorian prudishness we all hear about in pop culture was actually a push back against some of it.
Good sex is healthy for a marriage and a sign that things are usually generally okay. Wild to think they thought it was good to have the exact opposite of that.
In the early years, they were fairly sexually liberated. In Britain, Prince Albert was blamed for the backlash, but I think it was just the swing of the pendulum. There was always an undercurrent of “weird fucky shit.” There was a thriving underground market for written erotica that makes modern porn look tame - it’s easy to find online these days. Although be warned - it was an era that viewed sexuality as fluid and had no age of consent.
A lot of classic literature from the late Victorian era is about the hypocrisy of the era’s gentility and prudishness. Dracula, The Invisible Man, The Strange Case of Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde and about half of Oscar Wilde’s works are basically about repression.
There was a thriving underground market for written erotica that makes modern porn look tame - it’s easy to find online these days. Although be warned - it was an era that viewed sexuality as fluid and had no age of consent.
Dude, some of the art they made were some weird shit. Ironically normal by today's standards, of course, but you don't expect to see someone drawing fat porn in the Victorian era. it was truly over the moment the Greeks and Romans started putting position options on brothel walls
Victorians were really fucking weird. I've also learned that they had a lot of rampant degeneracy and weird fucky shit going on and the Victorian prudishness we all hear about in pop culture was actually a push back against some of it.
Just like today. Rampant degeneracy, and plenty of "traditionalists" who make feeble attempts to push back against it, often because they're also infected.
The frequent name changes are because they want to control how people see them but you need different personas for different environments, particularly if they're burning through friend groups and workplaces the way they do. They think that by naming themselves Lara Croft you'll actually think they're a Lara Croft type person.
The frequent name changes are because they want to control how people see them but you need different personas for different environments, particularly if they're burning through friend groups and workplaces the way they do. They think that by naming themselves Lara Croft you'll actually think they're a Lara Croft type person.
A good thing to remember is that most of them are highly online. Online, you can change your username or make a new account and remove most or your entire online past, and people don't know it is you. However, in the real world they have a face and voice they can barely change and they forget that people have eyes and remember it.
A good thing to remember is that most of them are highly online. Online, you can change your username or make a new account and remove most or your entire online past, and people don't know it is you. However, in the real world they have a face and voice they can barely change and they forget that people have eyes and remember it.
It was normal to keep a mistress, a sign you could afford it, not a sin. There was also weird bullshit like believing sleeping with a virgin would cure STDs (and the age of consent was 14). If it didn't cure it, the girl must have been lying.
It was normal to keep a mistress, a sign you could afford it, not a sin. There was also weird bullshit like believing sleeping with a virgin would cure STDs (and the age of consent was 14). If it didn't cure it, the girl must have been lying.
There are multiple papers on this. Victorians were that fucking ass-backward. 'You can't enjoy fucking wife! She's the virgin Mary. Would you fuck the virgin mary for fun!?!'
It was normal to keep a mistress, a sign you could afford it, not a sin. There was also weird bullshit like believing sleeping with a virgin would cure STDs (and the age of consent was 14). If it didn't cure it, the girl must have been lying.
I know you're joking, but I also think you're right. Couldn't they just delegate one appropriately-sized prison in the US for transwomen and bypass most of the current problems with troon inmates?
The pitch would be that everyone there understands the struggle and they can support each other. No brute male inmates or catty women-born-women abusing them emotionally, just healing and rehabilitation among their own people at last. That's what they want, right?
That would work if all Troons were HSTS Transexuals but the vast majority of them are AGP fetishists and a huge part of the AGP perverts fetish is inflicting themselves on women.
Its why Troons whine when given "Gender Neutral" spaces, and why those Troons on pReddit were complaining that the women at work started using the bathroom across the street when they forced their boss to allow them to use the womens room, and wanted HR to punish those women and force them to use the bathroom at the same time as him, or why those other women on a sports team were complaining that a Troon was deliberately waiting to take showers when they did, even when they tried to put off their showers to allow him to go first.
They don't want fairness and safety, they want to be able to force women to have to put up with them.
I'm want to pose a question to everyone in here since I'm curious how effective of a mediator this solution is:
How would you all feel if there was a federal mandate forcing all private and public health insurance to 100% cover HRT for anyone, including trannies, with the stipulation that in order for a tranny to be federally recognized as the gender they want, they must undergo HRT treatment?
I operate under the (somewhat) educated assumption that depriving mtf trannies of the excuse that HRT isn't financially viable for them will quickly weed out the AGP fetishists and leave those who suffer the actual "condition". Quotes there because nobody even in the upper echelons of trans research understands what the fuck predicates the gender dysphoria if it's genuine in an individual. There's just hypothesis after hypothesis.
I also huff some level of hopium thinking depriving those people of Test will potentially neuter any depraved desires they might have towards women even if their condition appears genuine.
I do not want my taxes or my insurance payments helping to fund something I find morally abhorrent and evil.
Personally I think it should be banned even for adults, anyone who is unstable enough to believe they are the wrong sex is not mentally competent to give informed consent, but if we are going to allow adults to inflict this insanity on themselves, it needs to be 100% entirely out of pocket.
No Medicare, no Medicaid, no insurance.
You want to destroy your endocrine system and mutilate yourself, then you and only you should be paying for it.
People with moral objections should not be funding something they find evil and unconscionable.
The fact this is even a question being debated in the West shows the level of depravity and moral bankruptcy our society has reached.
These people are mentally ill, friend. Its not "being kind" to affirm a delusion and encourage the delusional.
Theres a reason we don't call anorexics "Trans Obese" and give them Ozempic, no matter how distressing it is for them to be forced to eat, thats because we understand they have dysmorphia that causes them to be unable to see themselves realistically, and to "affirm" that dysmorphia is to do more harm.
You aren't being kind by encouraging these people.
They are sick. We need to find a way to treat them that isn't just playing along with them.
Why is this Transgender bullshit the only delusion where we are told to tell the delusional person what they want to hear?
Because there is a well funded lobby enouraging people to do just that by making up lies and false science, the same way the Tobacco lobby has "science" that said smoking was healthy.
And who funds it?
Again, like the Tobacco industry, the very people who make billions by chemically sterilizing and surgically mutilating people.
So the people who have the most to gain from this shit are the ones telling us to "trust the science" but only the science they funded and that supports their position.
Not all the other studies like the Cass Study, or that one they refused to even publish because the results showed the error and falsehoods of the "affirmation" model.
Not that science.
Trust the science that supports us continuing to castrate and mutilate the mentally ill.
Its wrong. Its not helping. And we shouldn't be forced to support it.
If we are too cowardly to do the right thing and ban it, they have to pay themselves.
And that is exactly why we cannot compromise.
You don't compromise with someone delusional because that means you have to at least take on part of that delusion.
You find a way to treat it.
Its not kindness to tell your Grandfather that yes, Grandpappy, I think maybe the squirrels are really spying on you for the CIA.
Personally I think it should be banned even for adults, anyone who is unstable enough to believe they are the wrong sex is not mentally competent to give informed consent, but if we are going to allow adults to inflict this insanity on themselves, it needs to be 100% entirely out of pocket.
No Medicare, no Medicaid, no insurance.
You want to destroy your endocrine system and mutilate yourself, then you and only you should be paying for it.
People with moral objections should not be funding something they find evil and unconscionable.
The fact this is even a question show the level of depravity and moral bankruptcy our society has reached.
All of this! People will literally have their claims denied for actual need HRT for things like endocrine issues, but a tranny should be handed everything on a silver platter. You can get breast implants as a tranny, but as a women with a double mastectomy you can’t even get that let alone padding for your bra. I have used Medicaid and that’s a lifesaver for a lot of people who are unemployed due to lay offs and injuries. There’s no way these fuckers are going to be rewarded for neutering themselves on tax payers dime only to end up on disability. They’re the same as obese people in my mind, that’s their fault. They need to actually see a therapist and psychiatrist for their mental issues and get medicated.
We treat genuine disabled ppl like drooling retards because they use crutches. But literal retards that can barely identify themselves in the mirror are allowed to make major choices on their bodies. No fucking way, I’ve seen literal autistics barely know what a woman is outside of their own mothers and fictional characters. Fuck that shit, no one should paying for that. Especially not a higher premium because Lilith Laura haniko kobayashi wants gynecomastia
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