Off-Topic Random Trans Thoughts, Musings, and Questions - For all your armchair psych and general sperging

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Would you give importance to your oven over the pizza you're putting into it? Women are cattle back then.
Late and gay, but even people back then were very well aware that sperm is not the entire ''pizza'' - they'd have to be blind to not see many kids look just like their moms and/or inherited their diseases, and they knew that while breeding dogs and cattle and looking at cats, even when they did not know, how exactly it works. First genetic studies were done even before the discovery of genes, by studying visible traits. Analogies like pizza and oven were made with a clear purpose in mind, but that's for a different thread.
 
When you have a large population of aspiring elites who believe they deserve higher status but are frustrated, they turn against the system and try to destroy it. Think of all the _____ studies majors coming out of college and finding no jobs in the 2010s. Even today, about half of all college graduates are underemployed. If you busted your butt to get into a top-tier school and studied hard for four years, during which everyone told you how smart and enlightened you were, and then the only job you could get was waiting tables, you'd be pissed off too.
But calling those kinds of people elite is the trickery there, those are just try-hards. We already don't do outright wechsler IQ tests at the beginning of school or even just vaguely group kids like the prussian (or german) school system did way before college, so that these strifers, who think it's unfair that gender studies don't get them anywhere, don't flip out even more at people they just can't touch. But we should, so we have actual elites and don't waste resources and I'm saying that as someone without a degree. It's a whole can of worms and I get the feeling that this theory will and and is abused to speak against educating and thus taking people as far as they can go intellectually in general. No matter the actual IQ, better educated people are more emancipated - upper classes can't have that. Promising nitwits that their empty college ritual of taxi driving bachelor degrees makes them elite, that is what enabled this "crisis" in the first place. If there's a revolt of these people in the cards, it was artificially designed to happen by lowering standards and putting these people in absurd financial turmoil with all these rediculous college loan shemes of the recent past.

I guess I mostly just reworded your general point there...
 
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Late and gay, but even people back then were very well aware that sperm is not the entire ''pizza'' - they'd have to be blind to not see many kids look just like their moms and/or inherited their diseases, and they knew that while breeding dogs and cattle and looking at cats, even when they did not know, how exactly it works. First genetic studies were done even before the discovery of genes, by studying visible traits. Analogies like pizza and oven were made with a clear purpose in mind, but that's for a different thread.
There were genuinely people who thought sperm were tiny humans and that the woman just incubated them.
 
That's no reason to fuck with the potential, theoretical victims like that.
With that line of thinking they also legitimize child transition.
There they also say it's all about putting the tomboys a psychological ease, they promise the parents to make their kid a better fit for school. But the other points are well taken. I just have the creeping suspicion, that's it's mostly done on these latter grounds and not really the former, actual medical concerns... what about teenage girls who just happen to be petite and have the same risks but aren't "precocious"?
Do they get delayed?
I don't think the drug is approved for anything like that, because precocious puberty is defined as something like "puberty before 10". It's all very sussy of social engineering at the cost of kids health. Instead of fixing the rape problem and making schools safe, they frankenstein the kids.
So, would some of the geniuses thinking this is dumb, enlighten me on the data we have on women being too small for birth because of precocious puberty? What about Nepali women who come in average at well under 5'? And are you guys sure those kids don't have the usual growth spurt to go with that "condition"? So a 3 and half foot 6 year old (hyperbole for dramatic effect) comes out as a 4'11" Nepali at the other end without meddling anyhow? Is there data? I highly doubt that. There IS data on kids who were given it and have severe osteoporosis and fertility issues however.
Again, what happened before lupron?
And if that's a concern, why is your precious diagnosis not defined by any of that but basically hinging on age,
which is just a virtual metric pertaining those somwhat solid seeming medical concerns?
Sounds social with tacked on medical speculations and psych superstition as legitimization for experiments on kids again.
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It can't be muh psychological distress, because that follows whats, ifs and general tranny logic.
If you think any of that is valid, you agree that "buying kids time" is a valid line of reasoning overall and you don't get 200 and go directly to trannyjail.
@The Skeksis Emperor
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And others to come.
 
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So, would some of the geniuses thinking this is dumb, enlighten me on the data we have on women being too small for birth because of precocious puberty?
Doctors make shitloads of money off Lupron. Parents can be talked into anything if they're convinced there's something wrong with their kids. Do the math.
Ty for the comprehensive post. Cramming it here for the info.
To see that kind of thought-less yes-maning on the farms of all places absolutely surprised me.
 
Today came the sentencing for a Canadian who murdered his wife and 2 very young children. I’ll find an article after supper.

What caught my attention is that this douche now identifies as a woman. He of course, wants to be jailed in one of our women’s’ pens.

The reporter to my surprise, did their homework and informed the news audience that convicts have the ‘right’ to ASK what sex prison get assigned to if they’re trans BUT their wishes are not adhered to, 2/3 of the time. Good!

That’s info I’ve been looking for unsuccessfully for a while, so was glad to get it.

Now I need to find out if these sorry excuses for humans get ‘gender affirming care’ and if so, how much. Hormones? Surgeries? Not a clue.
 

The Truth About ‘Gender-Affirming Care’

‘Gender-affirming’ doctors are medicalizing distress in the name of social justice.​

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This essay is adapted from Burgo, J. (2024). The medicalization of gender dysphoria. In A. Cantú, E. Maisel, & C. Ruby (Eds.), Institutionalized Madness: The Interplay of Psychiatry and Society’s Institutions (pp. 247–264). Ethics Press.​


When I first encountered the apparently benign euphemism “gender-affirming care,” I assumed it meant taking at face value claims to have been “born in the wrong body” made by dysphoric teens and facilitating their access to hormones and surgery.

Working as an expert witness gave me a chance to look “under the hood” of GAC, so to speak, and confirmed my initial impressions. In reviewing years of therapy case notes from affirmative therapists, I found their “biopsychosocial assessments” to be cursory; minimal efforts were made to identify comorbid mental health issues (and only to ensure that they were separately managed), but claims to trans-identification were always validated.

Then I noticed something unusual in these records. When psychotherapists take on new clients, they usually present some form of informed consent/disclosure statement setting forth their policies and procedures; in addition to enumerating rules around payment and cancellation, such disclosure statements will usually describe the practitioner’s theoretical orientation. In reviewing the disclosure statements of affirming therapists, I found references to “anti-oppressive” and “intersectional” psychotherapy. Some therapists described their approach as supportive of BIPOC and other oppressed identities. I heard, for the first time, of “kink positive psychotherapy.”

In preparing to write the chapter from which this essay is adapted, I decided to dig deeper. Among other resources, I reviewed Gender-Affirming Psychiatric Care, a comprehensive guide published in 2023 by the American Psychiatric Association. This book (the “APA Guide”) contains separately authored chapters written by several dozen practitioners in the field. Because a grasp of the ideological language deployed throughout this book is crucial to understanding its argument, I quote extensively from its various chapters rather than summarizing them.

Minority Stress Theory

Nearly all the chapters explore and explain the well-known mental health co-morbidities of trans-identified youth through the identical lens—what is commonly known as the Minority Stress Theory, first propounded by sociologist and public health researcher Ilan H. Meyer (2003). Meyer attempted to account for the higher rates of mental health issues commonly observed within minority groups—particularly, sexual minorities such as lesbians, gay men, and bisexuals—by attributing them to the chronic stress they experience as a result of stigma, prejudice, and discrimination.

Meyer’s Minority Stress Theory has been adapted and expanded by the advocates for GAC to argue that the co-morbid mental health issues commonly observed among gender dysphoric youth are accounted for by the stigma and stress they experience living in a transphobic culture:

Transgender, nonbinary, and/or gender expansive (TNG) people often experience structural and enacted stigma, such as a hostile sociocultural climate, discrimination, rejection, victimization, and nonaffirmation related to their gender identity or expression…Stressors also stem from the general pervasive stigma against TNG people and oppressive systems and cultural norms that seek to invalidate or eliminate them [citations omitted]. These added layers of stressors explain the heightened mental health risks documented among TNG people [citations omitted]. (Matsuno et al., 2023, p. 23)
Most chapters in the APA Guide contain repeated references to this theory; the words “stress” and “stigma” appear dozens of times in reference to an expansive list of oppressed minorities: Two-Spirit People, Asian and Pacific Islander Communities, DoubleQueer (simultaneously neurodiverse and transgender), Disabled, Displaced, and Elderly Transgender people, et cetera.

Taken together, the various chapters in Gender-Affirming Psychiatric Care supercharge Meyer’s careful analysis of the stress experienced by LGB individuals and turn it into a comprehensive account of victimization suffused with postmodern thought and social justice ideology. References to familiar systems of oppression abound—the patriarchy, colonialism, racism, et cetera. To give one impressive example, in critiquing prior studies on “transness”:

t is necessary to approach these studies understanding that the research was conducted under the context emerging from normative cisheteropatriarchal white European colonialist gender norms. As a form of social structure these neuro sexist and racist norms affect the perception of the researcher [citations omitted]. (Sun et al., 2023, p. 34)

Another chapter which discusses the care of transgender people displaced from their countries of origin begins with this sweeping portrait of the forces of oppression experienced by this group: “Structural and infrastructural violence, perpetuated by capitalism, neoliberalism, imperialism, racism, cisgenderism, and heterocentrism, create their international displacement and migration” (Janeway & Anaya, 2023, p. 139). The authors’ critique of oppression is rooted in neo-Marxist thought, with its focus on power dynamics between groups:

Borders are manifestations of the power of citizenship, and they uphold the inequities that create structural and infrastructural determinants of health. From a human rights perspective, clinicians must see borders for what they are: artificial lines drawn through, by, and in support of those in power. (Janeway & Anaya, 2023, pp. 140-141)
Throughout the APA Guide, nearly all the well-known mental health comorbidities demonstrated by gender dysphoric youth are understood and explained through this lens. Anxiety, depression, eating disorders, substance use disorders, and suicidality can all be accounted for by the Minority Stress Theory. And failing to understand how minority stress afflicts TNG people means misapprehending the ultimate source of their comorbid mental health issues: “Without taking these contextual factors into account, clinicians may misattribute mental health issues to a person’s gender experience or pathologize TNG identities” (Matsuno et al., 2023, p. 25).

In the rare event that the authors do not account for co-morbid mental health issues with reference to minority stress, they emphasize that being neurodiverse, for example, should be viewed as a separate and distinct issue and not an impediment to receiving GAC: “Autism alone is insufficient reason to infer incapacity and deny or delay gender-affirming care” (Adams et al., 2023, p. 113). Likewise, “uicidality should not be viewed as a barrier to gender-affirming care when individuals maintain capacity for informed consent” (Joy et al., 2023, p. 265).

Even frank psychosis should not preclude receiving affirmative treatment:

Generally speaking if a person who experiences psychosis is able to draw on their organizational and executive functioning as needed to establish care with a medical provider, seek a referral letter from a health care provider with relevant competencies, obtain medications or surgical dates, and so on, that person's psychotic symptoms are adequately managed to engage in informed consent discussions. (Joy et al., 2023, p. 264)
Nowhere in this volume will you find a single case where the authors consider it valid to question a person’s claimed gender identity. The World Professional Association for Transgender Health (WPATH), in its Standards of Care Edition 8, recommends a thorough mental health evaluation for all patients prior to receiving hormones or surgery (Coleman et al., 2022). But according to APA’s Gender-Affirming Psychiatric Care, such an evaluation should only identify comorbid conditions to ensure that they are adequately managed, not to consider the possibility that they might contribute to a potentially mistaken belief about one’s internal identity.

Not a single example appears of a trans-identification accounted for by one of those comorbid conditions; the possibility that internalized homophobia might drive trans-identification is not even considered. And for the authors of this volume, it would seem that the apparently growing number of detransitioners do not exist. The Index includes a single entry for the phenomenon of detransition, and it refers exclusively to aged TNG adults who “feel pressure to detransition ... or actively conceal their identities out of fear of being misgendered, verbally ridiculed, or abused [citation omitted]” (Dolotina et al., 2023, p. 207), despite the fact that recent research suggests detransition occurs more often for personal reasons such as realizing that their gender dysphoria was caused by other factors, or by internalized homophobia (Littman, 2021; Vandenbussche, 2021).

Gender Dysphoria vs. Gender Incongruence

The APA’s Gender-Affirming Psychiatric Care as a guidebook and GAC as a discipline reject the earlier DSM IV-TR diagnosis of gender identity disorder, which pathologized the condition of cross-gender identification itself (APA, 2000). Because the word disorder implied a type of pathology, the next edition removed it. Diagnostic criteria for the DSM-5 diagnosis of gender dysphoria now speak of a “marked incongruence between one’s experienced/expressed gender and assigned gender” rather than a “strong and persistent cross-gender identification” (APA, 2013).

While the DSM-IV-TR diagnosis refers to “the opposite sex” or “the other sex,” the later version always speaks of “the other gender”; the word sex occurs in the DSM-5 diagnosis only within phrases such as “secondary sex characteristics.” DSM-5 also adds a new criterion: “A strong conviction that one has the typical feelings and reactions of the other gender (or some alternative gender different from one’s assigned gender).” Without explicitly mentioning it, this feature leans heavily upon the belief that everyone has an innate gender identity which may or may not be congruent with one’s “assigned gender.”

“Such incongruence itself is not viewed as a pathological state; only if it causes ‘clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning’ does it merit a diagnosis.”

According to Gender-Affirming Psychiatric Care, the APA undertook this revision of its DSM diagnosis “with the intention of separating objective TNG identity from the objective distress caused by a person’s gender not aligning with societal expectations for their sex assigned at birth [emphasis added]” (Dolotina et al., 2023, p. 202). In other words, one’s internal gender identity must be considered real (an objective fact) and not merely a subjective experience. Further, the subjective experience of distress caused by incongruence is elevated to the same status.

Do the authors not understand the meaning of the word objective?

Once a diagnosis has been given, treatment recommendations and guidelines for practitioners almost always include affirming the person’s gender identity, helping them to understand the explicitly external sources of their distress within a transphobic society, and facilitating access to “life-saving” medical care, including hormones and surgery. Practitioners must also become advocates for their patients and TNG people at large, working to change oppressive social institutions that perpetuate minority stress.

Gender Affirming Care as Advocacy

The APA Guide urges caregivers practicing in this area to educate clients about their oppressed minority status and teach them to recognize external sources of trauma:

Clinicians should be knowledgeable enough to explain (in lay terms) trauma and traumatic stress, the gender minority stress model ... and the ways in which anti-TNG bias, non-affirmation, and intersecting oppression-based stress (e.g., racial trauma) can cause or exacerbate traumatic stress for clients. (Barr et al., 2023, p. 162)
Those who practice GAC should also become social justice advocates themselves, working to change oppressive institutes and attitudes within the culture at large:

Mental health clinician advocacy is a critical component of trauma-informed care and should address power asymmetry; protect and enforce human rights; and foster social justice through empowerment … Indeed, without advocacy, clinicians are endorsing the silence, violence, and injustice that have contributed to clients’ traumatic stress… (Barr et al., 2023, p. 163)
Even when ostensibly performing a more traditional psychotherapeutic role, practitioners must never lose sight of their role as advocates for social change:

An exclusive focus on coping and social support in the context of oppression frames psychological distress as what must be changed rather than the systems of oppression that give rise to that distress … Distress alleviation is fine, but coping and social support by themselves are unlikely to lead to changes in the oppressive systems that give rise to factors causing distress … or to curtail future experiences of gender minority distress. (Noyola et al., 2023, p. 188)

The Medical Treatment of Gender Dysphoria

The ultimate conclusion readers will draw is that medicalization is the only acceptable and ethical form of treatment, and that practitioners must do everything within their power to facilitate access to gender-affirming medical care for their TNG clients. A two-page chart presents a list of “Physical presentations and sources of distress of gender dysphoria” including distress around menses, the chest/breasts, hips, face, stomach, and genitals (Goetz, & Silverstein, 2023, pp. 217–218). Nearly all recommended remedies (“Clinician Opportunities”) involve medicalization: optimize hormone treatments, refer for top surgery and/or hysterectomy, refer for facial masculinization or feminization surgery, refer for liposuction, refer for “genital gender-affirming surgery,” and so on.

In short, GAC has virtually nothing to do with traditional psychotherapeutic technique or goals. It begins by presenting the theory of gender identity as fact, then proceeds to psychoeducation for clients in Minority Stress Theory as applied to trans identity. It relegates comorbid mental health conditions to their own separate silos and ends with a referral for hormones and/or surgery, in effect continuing the medicalization of human distress.

As a quasi-spiritual belief system, it elevates subjective experience to the status of objective fact. Rooted in neo-Marxist thought and framed in the language of social justice ideology, it treats access to affirmative medical care as a civil rights issue and views any other lens through which to understand and treat gender dysphoria as an exercise of power by a transphobic culture attempting to enforce its imperialist, racist, and heterocentrist norms upon an oppressed minority.
 
Meyer attempted to account for the higher rates of mental health issues commonly observed within minority groups—particularly, sexual minorities such as lesbians, gay men, and bisexuals—by attributing them to the chronic stress they experience as a result of stigma, prejudice, and discrimination.
These are populations known to have high rates of sexual abuse. The fact their mental health issues are attributes to people not liking the Community:tm: is rather perverse, knowing this. Feels bad man. I think a lot of LGB and Ts need help to really face that but it all gets ignored because anything bad is because of bigots and not because of who bad touched them. Very depressing.
 
These are populations known to have high rates of sexual abuse. The fact their mental health issues are attributes to people not liking the Community:tm: is rather perverse, knowing this. Feels bad man. I think a lot of LGB and Ts need help to really face that but it all gets ignored because anything bad is because of bigots and not because of who bad touched them. Very depressing.
One of the rules of progressivism is that all bad outcomes are downstream of inequality and bigotry. For example, when a white student fails a math test, it's because he's a dummy who didn't study. When a black student fails the same math test, it is because the test is racist, the teacher is racist, the school is racist, and the entire institution of mathematics is racist.

I have said before that progressives desperately want humans to be blank slates. If human nature or ability is a limiting factor, then their vision of a queer utopia won't work. So they must keep up the lie of all bad outcomes being caused by "minority stress", like covering your ears when someone is trying to tell you something you don't want to hear.
 
One of the rules of progressivism is that all bad outcomes are downstream of inequality and bigotry. For example, when a white student fails a math test, it's because he's a dummy who didn't study. When a black student fails the same math test, it is because the test is racist, the teacher is racist, the school is racist, and the entire institution of mathematics is racist.

I have said before that progressives desperately want humans to be blank slates. If human nature or ability is a limiting factor, then their vision of a queer utopia won't work. So they must keep up the lie of all bad outcomes being caused by "minority stress", like covering your ears when someone is trying to tell you something you don't want to hear.
I do beg to differ. I think, and I'm beginning to overuse that idiom, it's more of a well poisoning strategy. Minority stress and unfair discrimination are real. Failing math in 2000 A.D. and blaming it on the good old racism is just B.S., of course.
And that's what woke is all about: Confusing and dividing people. Inner city blacks being anti-intellectual brutes, dragging their own kids, who could do better, down under is a real phenomenon but "white" trailer trash also does this, but the latter is never discussed, nor addressed and helped. They don't get (as many) freeride cookie points when trying out for harvard and it makes racial tensions worse - absolutely on purpose. Affirmative action is racist and propose-fully driven to divide these particular groups further, as one example.
And these policymakers are even self aware and malicious enough to coin insane terms like "positive racism" to, in their warped minds, legitimize it.
 
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These are populations known to have high rates of sexual abuse. The fact their mental health issues are attributes to people not liking the Community:tm: is rather perverse, knowing this. Feels bad man. I think a lot of LGB and Ts need help to really face that but it all gets ignored because anything bad is because of bigots and not because of who bad touched them. Very depressing.
I can see that being LGB is potentially isolating and lonely, since it is quite uncommon, and so finding anyone to engage in reciprocal romantic attachment is far more difficult. Ironically, this is probably actually made worse by all of the current 'queer' nonsense, as anyone who wants to engage in a normal relationship is forced to deal with a bunch of hysterical freaks. All of the traditional means of meeting other LGB people are either overtly degenerate, promiscuous hookup apps like Grindr, or pozzed woke clubs and corporatised 'community' groups. It is probably similar with trannies, except in a far more innate way, since nobody wants to be romantically involved with a mentally ill, mutilated, delusional retard. None of this is a symptom of a plot to isolate and oppress people based on their 'minority status', though.
 
None of this is a symptom of a plot to isolate and oppress people based on their 'minority status', though.
Now you got me thinking: With trannys, it do be like that. It's artificial and they do go after vulnerable kids - marginalized ones. And they're completely fucked after they've done it all. And even before, there is pressure on them to go further and further.
To become that sacrificial lamb to gender ideology...
Their part of the movement seems to really never have been grass roots at all... The question now really is, how to even define that vulnerable, potential and actual tranny group? What traits do these kids share? Why does it work on them?
Not all of them even turn out gay (cue bruce jenner). All that "transing the gay away" also seems a bit like - here maybe unintentional - well poisoning, trying to obfuscate inquiry to the real mechanisms. That's al lot of conjecture to project onto a child: oh, they're born to become gay and so people hate them - yeah, that's really doesn't work, you can't bully a primary school kid for having sex in public bath rooms, right? So it's more of a kind of hysteria, which is targeting certain kids on a suspicion. And that is only a suspicion, which is valid for some boys who just may be targeted in that way, doesn't explain FTMs at all. I for, example, think that there might not even be a group that's definable entirely by their inborn traits but also by their environments on the micro scale: It really struck me how unusually beautiful and adorable of a child that Charlie Lindo guy was, you can be sure that sickos (certain kinds of doctors, psychs, teachers), were extra invested in transing that boy and we don't know if he wasn't sexually abused and how many times he was asked "are you a boy or a girl" way beyond his kindergarten age... yeah, I think I'm getting stomach cramps.
The tranny stuff overall def. reeks of people with lots of power pushing agendas but it also, horrifyingly enough, "just works".
Men who call each other girl names and dress like women have been popping up in certain cultures for aeons.
But not always with the mutilation schtick and, more importantly, it was never seemingly pushed top to bottom onto a society which never had much of that in the open anyhow...
 
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I can see that being LGB is potentially isolating and lonely, since it is quite uncommon,
That's true. But the problems you have from being lonely romantically are very different than trauma from sexual abuse, there are a lot of warning signs that in a straight child or even adult would be considered warning signs for such but are treated as not a thing in LGB and if a kid is LGB they're basically treated as more precocious than straight children (and less needful of safeguarding). It's fucked up.
 
One of the most frustrating/anger inducing thing about trannies is what I can only describe as their feigned ignorance. If you try to debate them you quickly find them pretending not to understand incredibly simple concepts, and it reaches the point where it's like, you know this, I know that you know this, I know that you know that I know that you know this. But you're going to bait me into trying to explain things that we already know to be true anyway. They seem to have this thing where if someone can't explain something perfectly then what they are explaining isn't true. Like the whole "what is a chair?" question they like to spring on people who ask them for definitions of what a woman is. It's like, you know what a chair is, I know that you know what a chair is. I guess the idea is that if someone gives as inaccurate definition that proves that it's impossible to define words or something, but to even know that a definition is inaccurate you have to know what the accurate definition is. That's the actual point of the Diogenes "behold a man" anecdote, everyone knows what a man is which is why everybody could tell that Plato's definition of a man was inaccurate when Diogenes pointed out that it included plucked chickens.

It's particularly frustrating given how science and logic was the big thing in left wing circles a decade ago. The "I Fucking Love Science" people very quickly start pretending not to know what a proof by contradiction is when you point out the contradictions in trans ideology. It's all so tiresome.
 
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One of the most frustrating/anger inducing thing about trannies is what I can only describe as their feigned ignorance. If you try to debate them you quickly find them pretending not to understand incredibly simple concepts, and it reaches the point where it's like, you know this, I know that you know this, I know that you know that I know that you know this. But you're going to bait me into trying to explain things that we already know to be true anyway.
I love nothing more than debating those retards, especially the men. They already walk around with a male ego, and act like it, but a receding mullet and a pink dress isn’t going to negate that. If your spiteful like me, and you’re a women or one of their favorite people for talking points—call em a man. They get so angry when you hit them with, ‘I think you should check your privilege and male entitlement. It’s very sexist, homophobic, racist, etc. Ik you were socialized as a man, but it’s never too late to shed that part of you. Society is afflicting you with the plague known as male masculinity, and as a woman we can’t have that. I believe in you, sister!”
 
Ironically, this is probably actually made worse by all of the current 'queer' nonsense, as anyone who wants to engage in a normal relationship is forced to deal with a bunch of hysterical freaks.
That's by design. A lot of the people who say "queer" say it because it's faster/possibly less silly than whatever the initialism is today. However, look up "queer theory" and you'll see that it's specifically anti-normality, specifically against the kind of person who wants to have a regular life in society with the only difference being gay. In queer theory, that's falling prey to the social construct as heterosexuality, which is a means to encourage procreation of more workers and to give more power to the social structures that regulate the people. It's not just "studying people of non-heterosexual sexualities," but they're not eager to explain that--they like it when people assume words are straightforward.

It's a little like how "gender" snuck into the common tongue as a euphemism for "sex," and then a certain kind of people leveraged that acceptance into legal definitions that hinged on the academic definition of gender.
 
In queer theory, that's falling prey to the social construct as heterosexuality, which is a means to encourage procreation of more workers and to give more power to the social structures that regulate the people. It's not just "studying people of non-heterosexual sexualities," but they're not eager to explain that--they like it when people assume words are straightforward.
I mean, it is striking, that men before western christianization really never were or, rather, considered themselves heterosexual as a whole and that kings and queens were never really monogamous and flaunted to opposite - not saying harems are queer feminism, not at all...tho, I fear, self appointed queer "feminists" might also do that... like that porn is female empowerment crap. It's, of course, just another, even more chauvinistic extreme. But even most "christian" kings and queens had complex social arrangements with mistresses and lovers, while requiring piety and monogamy of their peasants... Queer theory started as something hard, actual left, but is bereft of any context now and, dare I say, a truly revolutionary goal besides "must coom". I do absolutely vibe (like a hippie) with it's implied core tenant that all humans are polygamous and bi-sexual by default and that people in charge force their subjects to supress it for social control through emotional distress. But what we see now is another astroturf'd distortion of marxism and feminism. I would never suggest someone, who is happily married and monogamous out of his own volition, to stop that and become a deranged coomer tranny just to stick it to the patriarchy, but in these university circlejerks, they very much seem to do just that. We all know very well how these people dress and talk...
To hard leftist like me it's all something I might call neo-marxism, like what neo-cons are to true conservatives.
 
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I mean, it is striking, that men before western christianization really never were or, rather, considered themselves heterosexual as a whole and that kings and queens were never really monogamous and flaunted to opposite
I think it's an important distinction to make as well that kings and queens did not have normal marriages or family structures as such. They were political institutions more so than they were families. More common people reflected what modern society parallels: couples getting together, usually permanently in early to mid 20s and having some kids. I would dare say that much of the time the reason for keeping up public appearances (at least in more Christian nations) was the opposite reason, they were attempting to conform to ideals the commoners had in order to continue having their favor. It was a lot easier to depose someone and all than people seem to think. Our elites are much safer in general and especially from us now more than they've ever been in history.
 
More common people reflected what modern society parallels: couples getting together, usually permanently in early to mid 20s and having some kids. I would dare say that much of the time the reason for keeping up public appearances (at least in more Christian nations) was the opposite reason, they were attempting to conform to ideals the commoners had in order to continue having their favor.
It's interesting - tho, I lack the detes on that - how japanese society, form top to bottom, does seem to only care for marriage in the sense of building a family institution, moreso than the "western commoner" you are describing here. I'm not saying they don't flip out for cheating, but I've read numerous times, that pre-meji, it wasn't even expected to be sexually faithful. It was all about face and the family, the house, the institution's honor, going to your geisha wasn't frowned upon like prostitution is in the west... it's very noticeable. I will have to look more into that. It seemed very much like they are almost build different to westerners in the same sense you described the chasm between what commoners want and what aristocrats fancy... Especially so, because they weren't strangers to starvation and hardship either, but they, to pile on the strangeness, also had no qualms about infanticide and abortion - also historically, pre meji but in a drastic, noticeable manner. I really need to get my reading history straight for these topics. While they also were shit towards women throughout time, they don't even have grammatical genders and seem to always have had a somewhat higher seeming rate of far and between "alpha" women, like the onna-musha, than the west...
On another note, don't tell the woke gender study majors your theory about there being behavioral differences between commoners and blue blooded people... they might ignore the socio economic factors and just assume they're descended from royalty and thus can't help the way they're born...
 
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It's interesting, tho I lack detes on that, how japanese society, form top to bottom, does seem to only care for marriage in the sense of building a family institution, moreso than the "western commoner" you are describing here. I'm not saying they don't flip out for cheating but I've read numerous times, that pre-meji, it wasn't even expected to be sexually faithful. I will have to look more into that.
On another note, don't tell the woke gender study majors your theory about there being behavioral differences between commoners and blue blooded people... they might ignore the socio economic factors and just assume they're descended from royalty and thus can't help the way they're born...
I mean it's all nurture not genetics. Imagine you're raised not by family but by an endless line of wet nurses, nannies, tutors, and they're all grooming you to be fit for a "station", you may be betrothed once twice or maybe a few times and it's understood that these are political marriages not relationships the way most people understand them, so the relationships you seek with people are going to likely be 1. dysfunctional and 2. outside that political marriage. Combine that with the added bonus that your spouse is likely a foreigner or from some other noble institution and is essentially very likely to be more loyal to that instead and...yeah...recipe for disaster. It's completely unfair from any angle to judge normal relationships, especially modern ones, by these metrics.
 
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