Off-Topic Random Trans Thoughts, Musings, and Questions - For all your armchair psych and general sperging

[Jacques1194]

If transgenderism is brain-based, then why don't they do a brain scan, or any kind of neurological testing on people seeking transition so they can prevent the patient from facing future struggles with detransition, including damage to the endocrine system and literal amputation/mutilation? Why do they dole out hormones and surgeries after hearing them say "I think, therefore I am" instead of doing a medical test? I don't know which brain studies he was looking at (you should probably get him to show which ones, they're all shit and you can probably find a debunking of one if you search for the study, author, and a debunk/breakdown), or if he looked at them at all instead of just taking other peoples words for it, but he probably believes there's a benefit to "real" trans people when they get gender-affirming care. Recent studies have shown that trans people are MORE suicidal after medically transitioning, and even old anecdotes show that trans people killing themselves after transitioning is an age-old tradition. So transitioning doesn't even help them.
They are, literally, misinterpreting their preferences. Trans people are 3-6 times more likely to be autistic, which on it's own is enough to justify social confusion, and especially social identity confusion like "I want long hair and painted nails, am I a girl?". There's also the contagious ideas about how "if you've thought about being trans, you're probably trans" and "you don't need a reason to transition" and that "gender-affirming care should be freely available and not gatekept because gender self-determination is a human right and key part of autonomy" (paraphrasing because I can't be assed to read that shit again). The difference between a man who wears makeup and a trans-identified man who wears makeup is just a lot of useless inward self-centered rumination and the declaration of "I am a woman". And if he says "maybe I'm a woman"? Then he's nonbinary.
Even if the people insisting that troons were biologically female were outliers, at least a handful of those outliers are very prominent, which drastically changes things. The majority of people will believe something if it's from someone they trust, if it sounds smart enough, or if it aligns with their own personal beliefs and/or the beliefs of their herd. See how one sports-winning tranny, Veronica Ivy, goes on a tv show and shits out "I am a biological female because I'm biological and I identify as female". Then someone like Erin Reed, who is both a prominent transgender activist journalist and married to an elected transgender US state representative, says it too (with slightly smarter, but still incorrect reasoning):

while various activist groups (and doctors!) claim that there's not any difference between male and female. Eventually it all trickles down until the rest of the group is fully saturated with this rhetorical fat. This is from the recent controversy about the spa that had a single monthly "cultural and religious" female-only night, for women who couldn't be naked in front of males:

This might end up getting tangly, but ask him to define exactly what a "gender identity" is, what it actually is if it's both separate from sex and also not sexist stereotypes, while also somehow being tangentially connected to ever-changing still sexist modern sex stereotypes, and how it meshes with other things trans people crow about like "gender isn't real, so you can do what you want" and "gender-nonconforming trans people" like feminine trans boys or butch trans women. Maybe make him go through the gender dysphoria bible or other "am I trans?" guides made by trans people, and then ask him if he would qualify as a woman/nonbinary at the end. It's a bit off-topic to your post, but Inauthentic Selves is also a read I would recommend to anybody, the "What is transgenderism?" section has a nice breakdown on what medical and activist groups consider valid transition criteria (specifically for children).

Thank you for this. To answer your first question, I did ask him the question about brain scans not being a part of the gender affirming process and his argument was that I was assuming gender identity had a clear neurological basis, and that I'm misunderstanding the nature of neuroscience and how medical diagnoses work in general. He goes on to state that we would see different brain structures of people with schizophrenia, autism, depression, etc. where we already know there are neurological markers, and that one cant just simply do a single brain scan and go "This person has autism" and that we wouldn't need to rely on behavioral or psychological assessments from doctors if that were the case.

As for everything else, he did message me just now and I'll try to send him a few of the links listed above.

UPDATE: Good grief its a waste of time. I gave him the examples you've given and he states this still isn't the majority of trans people and that I'm still using a tiny minority to make the majority look crazy. Even though Erin Reed is one of the most popular transgender activist online and nobody calls him out. Not even other big transgender activists like Alex, Zinnia Jones, Colin Montgomerie, etc. He can't link me anyone who has ever made a thread, reddit post, or comment on Reed's posts calling out his lie that he's a "biological woman". He wants me to show him evidence that most trans people agree with Reed's comment as if I can give him a poll of whether trans people believe Erin is a biological woman. This goes back into the problem with him. If a lot of trans people all over the internet are posting that they're biologically the same as women or that HRT and surgery does this for them, and there's no one calling them out, how does he expect anyone to believe that this isn't the majority of trans people? We have the many threads on the stinkditch documenting things that many trans people have said despite being a tiny minority. Even for argument's sake lets say what he states is true and that all of these trans people are a minority of trans people, there have been 1000s of trans people who have been documented stating pseudoscience, and other batshit crazy things. that alone shows that there are at least a portion of trans people who at least believe in crazy shit even setting aside those like Buck and Blair White.

 

[Cake Point]

This is more about gendies (do they count as trans?) who use "they/them" as their pronouns. I used to be fine with using they/them only when I'm not sure about someone's gender (between M and F of course). Maybe I'm too retarded, but there were times I was genuinely confused if this person was a guy or a girl. There were cases when the person had unisex names and I had not seen what they look like, and everybody was fine with it. Troons and gendies ruined it for me.

 

[Chappell's Lost Earring]

Maybe I'm too retarded, but there were times I was genuinely confused if this person was a guy or a girl. There were cases when the person had unisex names and I had not seen what they look like, and everybody was fine with it.

Some people are hard to pin down. I saw a guy who I thought was a pooner at the coffee shop, until I saw his adams apple bobbing up and down. He was just a small cis man.

The thing that gets me about pronouns is when authors start using "they/them" characters to be inclusive, but whenever I get to that section of the book, the whole thing just reads as retarded, because I can't discern if we are talking about one singular person or several people.

The TRAs act all righteous, "it's so easy to use! we already use they/them when we don't know the gender of a person!" Yeah, we use it briefly, because we have no other pronoun in our language for that, but once we discern their gender we swap back to singular pronouns because it is confusing to use a plural pronoun in place of a singular one when talking about a singular person.

Spoiler: personal

I have a family member who married a they/them, so I genuinely tried, and it was very hard to keep up the they/them pronouns for a prolonged period of time. I do not understand how people claim it is "easy". I often accidently reverted back to using "she/her" which of course made the family member mad.

 

[Cake Point]

I thought of when SNL introduced their first nON bInArY cast as if it was some sort of groundbreaking moment, when it's actually just.... a fat woman. Okay. So embarrassing lmao

 

[Aunt Carol]

Even though Erin Reed is one of the most popular transgender activist online and nobody calls him out. Not even other big transgender activists like Alex, Zinnia Jones, Colin Montgomerie, etc. He can't link me anyone who has ever made a thread, reddit post, or comment on Reed's posts calling out his lie that he's a "biological woman".

As long as you're beating your head against this wall, make it work for you.

Keep a list of which Big Names in Trandom are not to be listened to, per him. Advise him you are appreciating his help in this matter.

 

[Black British Nerd]

These are some examples of HSTS trans woman from an old trans site. I think it is very sad and ironic that there are two types of trans. I think HSTS would be viewed as women by all if AGP did not exist. Some of these HSTS dated men without them knowing they are trans and or dated wealthy successful men. (I think a couple in these pictures are AGP maybe but yeah).

Spoiler: NSFW

 

[Aunt Carol]

These are some examples of HSTS trans woman from an old trans site.

It's tempting to say the trans who are doing a good job of transitioning are HSTS and good, and the ones who look like a greasy autist are AGP and bad, but all you can tell from some older photos is that those were some well-passing MtF (who chose to get professional photos and published them, so that's another self-selector).

There's no insight on their motivation, no word on whether they spent the 1990s guilting their ex-wives or raping people.

 

[Officer Douche]

What's gonna happen to all these freaks in like 15-20 years? It's absolutely horrifying to think about. I have never ever met a single tranny that seemed actually happy. Misery enjoys company is a very true statement which is one of the main reasons I don't associate with them.

I have had some friends troon out and they never acted more miserable in their life. There's this weird underlying feeling if they go back on their decisions, they won't be able to live with the shame so they choose to ruin their lives instead. Maybe the 41% would turn into 90%.

Some 40-50 year olds age fine and look a couple years younger while some of them look decrepit from their poor lifestyle. Trannies will avoid exercise because they wanna tee hee be a small weak woman. Dieting is too difficult so they won't do that either. Thats one way to make sure you need a cane in your middle age and look like shit. And this is without screwing your hormones up being a forever patient for the doctors.

 

[and I must scream]

These are some examples of HSTS trans woman from an old trans site. I think it is very sad and ironic that there are two types of trans. I think HSTS would be viewed as women by all if AGP did not exist. Some of these HSTS dated men without them knowing they are trans and or dated wealthy successful men. (I think a couple in these pictures are AGP maybe but yeah).

Spoiler: NSFW

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What do you mean by "viewed as women"? Because I don't care how women they look, I don't want them in women's public showers, changing rooms and the like, or women's prisons, shelters, support groups, etc. or women's sport. Everything that is based on sex, in other words. I also doubt most straight man would agree to have sex with them, but maybe I wrong about that.

Besides, don't be fooled: these photos had been manipulated. In real life the sex differences between males and females are so vast and we humans are usually very good at recognizing the differences automatically, it's very hard to simulate the other sex in such precision no one would noticed. Especially when it comes to trans identified males. And even by some miracle they managed, you can usually still detect them by their behavior. Even very feminine boys are still socialized as boys, not girls.

 

[Miriam Margoyles]

I thought of when SNL introduced their first nON bInArY cast as if it was some sort of groundbreaking moment, when it's actually just.... a fat woman. Okay. So embarrassing lmao

SNL arguably already had a non-binary character in the '90s.

 

[BIG SHOT Autos]

These are some examples of HSTS trans woman from an old trans site. I think it is very sad and ironic that there are two types of trans. I think HSTS would be viewed as women by all if AGP did not exist. Some of these HSTS dated men without them knowing they are trans and or dated wealthy successful men. (I think a couple in these pictures are AGP maybe but yeah).

Not gonna lie, I have a really hard time believing these are actual, non altered photos. They're also likely below 30, or even 25. MTFs aren't free from twink death, although sometimes it takes a little longer, or there are rare exceptions. Still doesn't make them women, though.

Also. Look carefully at what they all look like. Like models you'd see on a podium, right? That's also the catch: this type of female beauty ideal is based on XY women (read, male intersex) from said podiums and fashion industry in general. Maybe we all have been conditioned to see several subtle traits as a variation of female when in reality it's a variation of male, that adds another factor to surface level "passability", but in the end, it doesn't matter. Still men.

 

[Chappell's Lost Earring]

Magazine type photos are always heavily touched up. I'm not sure how they did it before photoshop, but photoshop has been around since the 80s. Have a look at all these celebrity before and afters. Some of them are pretty drastic, even changing the person's body shape. Just because they look like women in those photos, doesn't mean those photos are the reality of what they look like. I also refuse to believe all of them had bottom surgery, but I don't really care to google them all.

Every so often I see someone on KF say some troon is passing very well, but they don't realize that the man they are speaking about is using good angles that don't show their masculine features, and could be using photo touch up apps on their phone to make themselves look better than they are. Whenever you encounter one of these people in real life, you can usually tell.

Some of these HSTS dated men without them knowing they are trans and or dated wealthy successful men

Knowing how SRS goes, I really can't see this being real. Unless the men are fucked up on drugs every time they have sex, there's no way they can't tell or that the trannies don't have complications if they did get SRS. I'm assuming the men who dated them knew, unless you have a specific example. I would be interested in reading about that. It could also be possible people are lying.

I have had some friends troon out and they never acted more miserable in their life. There's this weird underlying feeling if they go back on their decisions, they won't be able to live with the shame so they choose to ruin their lives instead.

I wonder if the world was perfect for them if it would make their mental health better. I guess the reality is that they need more mental health support, not hormones and affirming delusions. But I've just read too many horror stories here to ever go back to having sympathy for them. I think they are asking for too much, and if we created a society where they could exist separate from women (as in, not in women's spaces or women's sports or considered women), then maybe they could exist more peacefully and without all the hate. But even if that happens, the hormones are still wrecking their bodies.

 

[Thursday]

Just a ramble because I feel really exhausted and angry about all of this increasingly lately.


This becoming a movement at all is so damn ridiculous I don't think anyone would have believed it even  could happen just a couple decades ago, probably less.

It's so many awful things at once that I feel we here on the farms pretty much agree about in unison, most of us independently coming to the same realizations about trannies on our own and struggling to find an outlet to express ourselves due to the sheer madness of the political and social climate of it all.

It feels surreal to see just how openly demonic it's all become and yet the supporters of the ideology paint us to be the evil ones.. It further grounds me in my own religious beliefs but it has been tasting my faith in humanity itself.

The thing that has been irritating me the most lately is the sheer hypocrisy of just how many trannies were openly racist, homophobic, sexist, prior to transitioning and after they discovered their "true selves" they go above and beyond to police others for any sort of wrong-think related to gender ideology.

 

[BIG SHOT Autos]

I'm not sure how they did it before photoshop, but photoshop has been around since the 80s.

Traditional photo editing is actually quite easy if you're familiar with basic art fundamentals. Some PS tools are also named after real life tools used for photo editing, which may also give a hint on how it used to work. Also, lower quality of cameras back then gives advantage too. It's easier to edit images that have less details. This is something that has been used by special effects artists as well, a lot of those used to look more natural on old TVs, but if you look at HD remasters nowadays the immersion would be broken because you will see odd details here and there.

Popular Pokemon card painting trend came to my mind for some reason, probably because it uses same principles. And it even possesses same visual effect on camera: in real life you would easily see seams between printed image and paint, it has a different texture too, with print being even and paint layer being bumpy. And yet, even with our modern high quality cameras, the illusion is still there. Imagine how much easier it was decades ago! These photos above while look good enough, they're actually super low quality, especially in comparison to, well, reality. So it's easy to manipulate details.

It feels surreal to see just how openly demonic it's all become and yet the supporters of the ideology paint us to be the evil ones.. It further grounds me in my own religious beliefs but it has been tasting my faith in humanity itself.

Same here, fam, same here.

 

[Jacques1194]

As long as you're beating your head against this wall, make it work for you.

Keep a list of which Big Names in Trandom are not to be listened to, per him. Advise him you are appreciating his help in this matter.

Its a very frustrating cop out on his part. the farms here has documented thousands of trans people and I've seen posts on twitter such as "Trans women are biological women" get 100k likes on it. But his argument is basically "That's not the majority of trans people". This isn't a case like muslims where he can argue the majority of the billions of muslims in the world dont support al-queda, ISIS, etc (though one can argue that there's a quarter of muslims who hold beliefs similar to those groups). Trans people make up an extremely small % of the population. If there are 1.6 million trans people (which is being way too generous) in the U.S and 100k of them believe that they're biological females then that's almost half of their population.

 

[Plantation Barbie]

These are some examples of HSTS trans woman from an old trans site. I think it is very sad and ironic that there are two types of trans. I think HSTS would be viewed as women by all if AGP did not exist. Some of these HSTS dated men without them knowing they are trans and or dated wealthy successful men. (I think a couple in these pictures are AGP maybe but yeah).

Spoiler: NSFW

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The male skeleton has longer femur bones than the female. And the female skeleton has a wider pelvis.
Granted they put in a lot more effort than the average AGP Redditor (in both makeup and photo editing) but they still not actual women.

 

[GluttonousManSlob]

These are some examples of HSTS trans woman from an old trans site. I think it is very sad and ironic that there are two types of trans. I think HSTS would be viewed as women by all if AGP did not exist. Some of these HSTS dated men without them knowing they are trans and or dated wealthy successful men. (I think a couple in these pictures are AGP maybe but yeah).

I don't care how well a troon passes. He is still male. Deceiving people makes him a liar, not a woman. Making exceptions or entertaining this shit at all just gives AGPs a foot in the door. HSTSs can go back in the closet with the brick hons.

 

[Space Police]

People tend to attribute lots of trans behavior to autism, but having interacted with both trans people and autistic people, they're very different. Every autistic person I have seen, no matter how low-functioning or addicted, tends to have some sort of hyperfixation, while most trans people don't have any hyperfixation that's not fetishistic. King Cobra has a very strong Ozzy hyperfixationeven in the depths of his alcoholism, and Derich is obsessed with wrestling between cooming, so this lack of hyperfixation isn't because trans people are too obsessed with porn or whatever.
People say trans people are autistic because of the utter lack of social graces, but those are skills lots of autistic people have unless they're too low-functioning or plain rude. Trans people tend to fall in the latter category, and you don't have to be autistic to be rude, especially if you're a narcissist.
People say trans people are autistic because they're interested in computer science, but the majority of trans people have no real passion for tech outside spending their lives online, video games, and the vague aesthetics. Trans people get into tech because they think they'll make lots of money from it, get to make tranny video games, and be able to control and get attention from online communities. They only care about tech to stroke their egos, not for the sake of the topic. They do the same with science, but they don't enter scientific fields because it's lots of difficult, isolated work with very little gratification external to the joy of the work itself.
Trans people have apparently overrun geeky hobbies due to their autism, but it's always highly consumerist hobbies based around pop culture like video games, TTRPGs, comics, and anime. More dedicated hobbies like sci-fi literature, ham radio, electronics, model railroading, miniatures, and even Lego MOCing are relatively tranny-free, so it's not because of autism but blind consumerism and nostalgia-chasing that trans people overrun pop geek media. Even genuinely autistic people who hyperfixate on video games and cartoons are very different from trans people; they tend to have actual, years-long-lasting passion for their small hyperfixations while trans people just care about cooming and following the flavor of the month to get attention online. Trans people are no different from normies who watch sports and the latest Netflix slop; they're engaging in the same NPC behavior with different things. The few autistic trans people into things like this seem to keep their trans identity secondary to their genuine hyperfixation, while the neurotypical trans people are focused mainly on being trans and the interest fades into the background.
I wouldn't even consider stats that overlap transgenderism and autism to be valid. Trans people know how to doctor shop, and an autism diagnosis allows them to grift the system for accommodations and money and gain clout online and in woke spaces, so why wouldn't trans people doctor shop for an autism diagnosis?
People seem to lump trans people into autism because it's scary to think that any well-adjusted, productive man can go down such a degenerate path at any moment, but with porn and a society ready to validate this, it can and it will happen. Is there really anything particularly autistic about downright sadistic troons like Yaniv, Liz-Fong Jones, and Keffals? Would you honestly say Kevin Gibes and Lily Orchard are autistic people or sociopathic NPCs who are too lazy to hurt anyone? This sort of mirrors how people say bronies are autistic when they're just massive fetishists and losers. Most of what I said is based around autism in males, so I'm not sure how this applies to pooners, but using autism to explain lots of trans behaviors veils the narcissism and general loserness behind them.

 

[オプセック]

Every autistic person I have seen, no matter how low-functioning or addicted, tends to have some sort of hyperfixation, while most trans people don't have any hyperfixation that's not fetishistic.

So, are you suggesting that autism is marked by a hyper-fixation in absence of any sexual gratification? That sounds like a sensible extension of the concept, actually. People just didn't think I'd be necessary to add that conditional, but it really should be that way. I do remember that the stereotype was precisely that back in the day: The hermit who's utterly oblivious to anything sexual, fixated on objects or abstract concepts instead of people. Weird how that stereotype basically became equivalent to what would be better grouped as just delusions (of grandeur) and sociopathy... I was tempted to argue that troons DO autistically obsess over endocrinology (homebrew hormones) and gay stuff like makeup, fashion and cosmetic surgery, but you are right: They all chase these things in a way which is about sexual signaling in the most effective, and thus normie way. And they all - at least in theory - really just strive for being the most palatable e-thot imaginable, as to mask their not-so-palatable other degeneracy, they just fail in achieving that more often than not. But not because of autism, but because of delusional thinking. Their con-game just happens to suck when they come across as freaks.
And then you even have whole economies which are seemingly fueled entirely by lady boys who are making bank off that shit.
I think you are correct in your assessment.
Everytime a tranny gets consent-accidented, they were good at what they we're doing: A highly complex social game - their john just happened to be a raging fuckwit, who didn't want to take that L from a con-artist. A risk the tranny willingly took when grifting drunk retards in seedy bars.
And getting paid for sex is the least autistic occupation there is, esp. in that desperate 4D chess kinda way.
An actual autist would go about something like makeup by becoming an anthropoligist cataloging wild tribes and their face paint patterns, not becoming a normie e-thot with a dick...

I think they adopt the whole programmer tranny shtick to cater to autists, because they think those are easy to fleece for sexual attention and NOT because they are autists themselves. I think these kinds of people aren't even fully aware of what they're doing, it's instinctual for them, so they might really think they are autist programmer recluses, like they sometimes seem to actually believe they are helpless UwU women with just a little medical condition. They are intuitive predators in that sense, leveraging a form of learned helplessness which is were grooming also comes into the picture.

I think pooners may be the ones where there is actual cross over, because these women and girls basically go nuclear and ground zero anything sexual by turning themselves into unapproachable bearded gremlins... quite the opposite to what the male troons try for... huh... but I am really out of my depth on how female autism manifests itself...

 

[Space Police]

So, are you suggesting that autism is marked by a hyper-fixation in absence of any sexual gratification?

Yes, that seems to be what filters out plain old losers from actual autistic people (regardless of success or attitude). CWC was a massive perv, but he had plenty of hyperfixations he didn't sexualize.

I do remember that the stereotype was precisely that back in the day, the hermit who's utterly oblivious to anything sexual, fixated on objects or abstract concepts instead of people.

The stereotype of "autists don't care about people" is false. Lots of autistic people can socialize well; they just aren't social butterflies and they tend to want to dive deep into certain topics, and this scares the public school system. Lee Goldson was able to perform in a band between ranting about ponies.

They all chase these things in a way which is about sexual signaling in the most effective, and thus normie way.

It's like how nu-4channers complain about normies invading their sekrit club when they don't talk about anything but media consumption and porn, the two most normie things possible. Trannies are utterly uninteresting, pedestrian people because that's what happens when you spend time on addiction and being manchildren rather than developing a personality.

And they all - at least in theory - really just strive for being the most palatable e-thot imaginable, as to mask their not-so-palatable other degeneracy,

They don't want to mask their degeneracy by doing that. They're just mad they couldn't get a porn star Stacy GF who's into their cool male hobbies and that most real Stacies are way out of their league, so they decide to become the Stacy porn star GF who's into video games and Warhammer and whatnot. This is also really funny because it again outs them as the total normies they are -- if they were born 40 years earlier they'd go to Hooters and pretend they're around a bunch of attractive women who are into sports. This is also why Vtubers and moe anime are so big, but that's a tangent.

An actual autist would go about something like makeup by becoming an anthropoligist cataloging wild tribes and their face paint patterns, not becoming a normie e-thot with a dick...

This statement isn't really accurate. Most of these men wouldn't care about makeup if not for their AGP, and there are plenty of autistic women who are into makeup artistry, but less for male attention and more as an artistic outlet.