Off-Topic Random Trans Thoughts, Musings, and Questions - For all your armchair psych and general sperging

[Paper Machete]

I've pointed this out in other places before but "twink death" is really just "faces of meth" or some other kind of substance abuse usually. Scrawny or short guys aren't gonna look like horrible nightmare creatures after they hid mid 20s unless they REALLY fuck themselves up. Shooting up estrogen for 'smoother skin" will 100%fuck you up long term because hormones are how your body regulates shit and if you keep artificially boosting something like that instead of like just showering as most people do you're gonna end up rough looking.
They're basically causing the very thing they're trying to avoid, which I find very funny in a way.

Twink death also means, "has matured enough he can't be mistaken for a teenager anymore".

is the key to finding healthy friendships just to be open and blunt about everything?

Yes! I mean, to a point. Don't go around saying "yes, Jessica, you *do* look fat in that dress" all the time. But I believe you have to be transparent about your beliefs and outlook on life. You'll find like minded people, you will give others the option of whether or not they want to navigate certain differences, and opens up the ability to learn about different perspectives and gives practice respectfully disagreeing. It's unhealthy to always be shut up and off because you're afraid of how others will respond. You can't really build lasting friendships on that foundation. There will be a lot less stress and more comfort interacting too. A handful of good friends is worth everything and all you need, you don't need to try to placate the world.

 

[オプセック]

I've pointed this out in other places before but "twink death" is really just "faces of meth" or some other kind of substance abuse usually. Scrawny or short guys aren't gonna look like horrible nightmare creatures after they hid mid 20s unless they REALLY fuck themselves up. Shooting up estrogen for 'smoother skin" will 100%fuck you up long term because hormones are how your body regulates shit and if you keep artificially boosting something like that instead of like just showering as most people do you're gonna end up rough looking.
They're basically causing the very thing they're trying to avoid, which I find very funny in a way.

I think there's also lots of psychological self image issues at work - to be blunt, there's tons of actors who still have all their hair up to the mid 40s and look kinda twinkish to me. Like that anakin skywalker guy from the three "new" movies. And conversely, trannys who look good, would've looked good without all the tacked on shit anyhow. I wager to think that this twink death stuff is the gay version of incel's "the wall" bullshit for women. Not based in reality and either used by spiteful ugly people or eaten up by mind broken and/or ugly nonces. Breaks my heart.

 

[countrybumpkin]

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Hasn’t this retard gotten the memo?

Not only do they want to take away words to describe women, but they always find the most dehumanizing words/terms for it.

 

[Chappell's Lost Earring]

I am just going to preface this by saying, this is just a thought. I am not dying on this hill or anything. So don't come for me hard please.

I saw it mentioned in another thread that trannies may be fucking up statistics by making crime rates for women go up, because they are being reported wrong due to trans women committing crimes.

Would it be relevant to force a third gender identity for trans people for accurate record keeping? (Not one for NB people, they can fuck off - only people who identify as a gender opposite of their birth sex). The whole debate of "there are only two genders" seems to force people in M or F, and I know that giving into their "more than two genders" bullshit would be bad, but instead of forcing TiMs into F or M, we could have marked them as "TF" or something. It would let everyone know what they are. I get it feels like conceding the gender debate, but by doing this we could accurately gather information about their crime rates and other statistics. It would give them their own category, and prevent them from mucking up statistics.

I know feeding into the delusion is a slippery slope with trans people, but their delusion is being full on female, "trans women are women", etc. Forcing them to mark themselves as a trans-female on official documents would out them and allow statistics to be reported accurately.

I know it wouldn't go anywhere with our current discourse, and I understand there are still problems with this.

 

[sheepworldvizor]

“Wow, this third gender sure seems to raping a lot of children.”

Yeah, works for me.

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

Would it be relevant to force a third gender identity for trans people for accurate record keeping?

Why would you fuck things up more just to prove what you already know?

It's not "more accurate" if it's still falsified. We're making progress on just forcing all their records back to birth sex. Be patient.

(Not one for NB people, they can fuck off - only people who identify as a gender opposite of their birth sex).

This whole recommendation is incoherent but also funny because you want to make a third sex but specifically leave enbies out of it.

Only problem is, they legally "exist" in a lot of states already, and are having their stats recorded in those places.

The only way to not fuck things up more is to just force it back to how it used to be.

 

[cherrysour]

Would it be relevant to force a third gender identity for trans people for accurate record keeping?

Only if it's an additional data point rather than a third option to "M" and "F." A third option would blur the distinction between the first two.

 

[Izdaja Slika]

I am just going to preface this by saying, this is just a thought. I am not dying on this hill or anything. So don't come for me hard please.

I saw it mentioned in another thread that trannies may be fucking up statistics by making crime rates for women go up, because they are being reported wrong due to trans women committing crimes.

Would it be relevant to force a third gender identity for trans people for accurate record keeping? (Not one for NB people, they can fuck off - only people who identify as a gender opposite of their birth sex). The whole debate of "there are only two genders" seems to force people in M or F, and I know that giving into their "more than two genders" bullshit would be bad, but instead of forcing TiMs into F or M, we could have marked them as "TF" or something. It would let everyone know what they are. I get it feels like conceding the gender debate, but by doing this we could accurately gather information about their crime rates and other statistics. It would give them their own category, and prevent them from mucking up statistics.

I know feeding into the delusion is a slippery slope with trans people, but their delusion is being full on female, "trans women are women", etc. Forcing them to mark themselves as a trans-female on official documents would out them and allow statistics to be reported accurately.

I know it wouldn't go anywhere with our current discourse, and I understand there are still problems with this.

No, I don't support additional sex categories, but I would support the addition of gender categories. So all transwomen could be selected in the data by selecting sex=M and gender identity=F.

Of course, trans people will just plain lie if they think they can so it would have to be completed by an objective third party.

 

[Chappell's Lost Earring]

Only if it's an additional data point rather than a third option to "M" and "F." A third option would blur the distinction between the first two.

That does make sense. Like Sex: Male, other category: trans

No, I don't support additional sex categories, but I would support the addition of gender categories. So all transwomen could be selected in the data by selecting sex=M and gender identity=F.

Yeah, that would be a better description than the one I gave. And true, they would just lie, so I guess the idea would be for official documents, like driver licenses and passports so they get sorted right.

I know we wish we could go back to a world where they don't exist, but its not likely to ever happen, so might as well figure out a way to document them properly without lying and standardize it nationally.

This whole recommendation is incoherent but also funny because you want to make a third sex but specifically leave enbies out of it.

My suggestion wasn't a new sex, it was a new gender marker for record-keeping purposes. I just worded it badly.

I've seen too many news articles refer to troons who commit crimes as women, and no where does it signify their trans status, especially when there is no photo, but your gut tells you its a man. I'm sure we have all come across an article like that at one point. Forcing a gender signifier on official documents for those who would try to sneak into the opposite sex category could encourage a more accurate news reporting, though some news outlets will still lie possibly due to the whole "trans women are women" movement.

 

[Ruined by the Rain]

Why would you fuck things up more just to prove what you already know?

So we can pull out the stats and say despite being 1% of the population trannies make up 40% of offending pedophiles

 

[Anasa Tristis]

i realy dont think gender dysphoria is as pathological as they make it out to be

Sometimes it’s just good old cognitive dissonance. If you’re convinced that your inner self is one sex or gender then having the body of the other is going to grind mental gears.

 

[9 / 11]

It's strange and disturbing how so many of these "transbians" were in heterosexual relationships before transitioning, then are in relationships with other trannies afterward.

It's like the troon process, through cognitive dissonance, manages to actually turn these men gay. I wonder if, below the surface, they can feel some sort of incongruity they can't shake because of it.

 

[オプセック]

It's like the troon process, through cognitive dissonance, manages to actually turn these men gay. I wonder if, below the surface, they can feel some sort of incongruity they can't shake because of it.

I think it's the other way around, becoming "lesbians" is the only way they can allow themselves to be gay, which they were all along. It's like they try to avoid the gay label at any cost.

 

[w.a.m.s.]

It's strange and disturbing how so many of these "transbians" were in heterosexual relationships before transitioning, then are in relationships with other trannies afterward.

It's like the troon process, through cognitive dissonance, manages to actually turn these men gay. I wonder if, below the surface, they can feel some sort of incongruity they can't shake because of it.

I don't think it's the same as being gay. Transbians are attracted to whatever fetishized "feminine" symbols the other troon has (long hair, nail polish, fetish clothes, creepier stuff). And since they're both MTFs, they both know what AGP is like, so they are more likely to put up with the other's creepy fetishes and narcissism. Self-described AGP Ann Lawrence (don't know his real name off the top of my head) described MTF-for-MTF relationships in one of his books as warm bodies that exist near each other while they take turns whacking off to AGP fantasies. Maybe a few of them really are bisexual, but I think for most transbians-dating-transbians, the maleness matters less than the "feminine" symbols plastered on top.

AGP exists in the context of being a man attracted to women - the AGP just tacks on the fixation with affixing those symbols to himself and making everyone else pretend he's a woman. Sometimes an AGP can "cover it up" by dating a woman, and focusing on whatever gratification he gets from her instead of pursuing his AGP. After he is unmoored from that relationship, he doesn't have to worry about what she'll think, and he is free to dive into the AGP fixations and fantasies.

Spoiler: sperging about middle-aged troonouts

This is related to why a disproportionate amount of troons ~come out~ in middle age. They had previously focused on their hetero attraction to their wives to distract from their AGP, but women's sex drive typically reduces when we hit menopause. So the soon-to-troon shifts his focus back to his AGP. As David "Debbie" Hayton said, "it's like having an affair, except you are the other woman."

 

[オプセック]

I don't think it's the same as being gay. Transbians are attracted to whatever fetishized "feminine" symbols the other troon has (long hair, nail polish, fetish clothes, creepier stuff).

Maybe it's both: It's about the NOT-GAY-larp and they're also coomers for that shit all the same, I could imagine that not wanting to be seen as gay is the kick-starter of this fetish stuff.
If they were at ease with themselves about being seen as just extra gay, they wouldn't go so hard on that "but I am REALLY a woman and hence a lesbian" shtick, while - contradictory to all that - always backing out when there aren't TWO dicks involved.

 

[w.a.m.s.]

Maybe it's both: It's about the NOT-GAY-larp and they're also coomers for that shit all the same, I could imagine that not wanting to be seen as gay is the kick-starter of this fetish stuff.

That would explain a lot. While I don't have the links, I've seen this anecdote in a few Blanchard-adjacent works, and a few times (from a different angle with a different conclusion of course) in Reddit MTF stories: a boy gets caught playing with girl toys/girl clothes/dressup, his parents scold him harshly for acting gay, and he doesn't understand what that means or why what he did was so bad. In his head, "acting girly" becomes a significant, forbidden thing. And when he's older, some wire gets crossed and it metastasizes into AGP, especially if groomers and porn help it along. Maybe it's not necessarily triggered that early, but I think you are onto something with the idea of all this getting ignited by not wanting to be seen as gay.

 

[オプセック]

That would explain a lot. While I don't have the links, I've seen this anecdote in a few Blanchard-adjacent works, and a few times (from a different angle with a different conclusion of course) in Reddit MTF stories: a boy gets caught playing with girl toys/girl clothes/dressup, his parents scold him harshly for acting gay, and he doesn't understand what that means or why what he did was so bad. In his head, "acting girly" becomes a significant, forbidden thing. And when he's older, some wire gets crossed and it metastasizes into AGP, especially if groomers and porn help it along. Maybe it's not necessarily triggered that early, but I think you are onto something with the idea of all this getting ignited by not wanting to be seen as gay.

Quite frankly, this would seem so obvious as at least an avenue for clinical exploration, it seems like more than coincidence how you almost never hear this take as "the" explanation, instead it's always that weird "I'm straight for myself, but as a woman" stuff. I think we solved it. I guess people don't like this, because it would put blame on the parents or other people who brought someone like that up, all other "explanations" conveniently disregard any greater sociological, causative implication with this behavioral disturbance.

Same should go for all that gay run of the mill "born that way" b.s. - sure, some might be more faggy in their jeans than others, but we still LiVe iN a sOCietY, most of us from birth.

 

[w.a.m.s.]

Quite frankly, this would seem so obvious as at least an avenue for clinical exploration, it seems like more than coincidence how you almost never hear this take as "the" explanation, instead it's always that weird "I'm straight for myself, but as a woman" stuff.

I think they reinforce each other, since both would go back to the narcissism of it all. Being punished for "girly" behavior becomes a narc injury, and "I'm straight for myself" is the fetish version of the narc puffing up a better self-image so he can believe in his hype (and others can reinforce it) instead of how miserably empty he really feels. And every time someone rightfully points out he's acting like a degenerate ("crossdressing in the grocery store is disgusting" --> "I raised a man not a fag"), the narc injury gets reopened and he rages out.

 

[オプセック]

I think they reinforce each other, since both would go back to the narcissism of it all. Being punished for "girly" behavior becomes a narc injury, and "I'm straight for myself" is the fetish version of the narc puffing up a better self-image so he can believe in his hype (and others can reinforce it) instead of how miserably empty he really feels.

I would roll back on all that and dare to say that doing anything "girly" becomes a taboo, associated with humiliation, that's why they often tie in with degradation and "sissy" shit. Acting out what once would've been non-sexual, harmless self expression is warped into a humiliation fetish. Then all of what you just said comes on top of that.
I think the interest in homo-sex either creeps in as an obvious continuation on the humiliation theme or it was the main course before they got fag-bashed as kids - I think you can't discern what came first with a fully evolved, middle aged AGP freak anymore and it wouldn't necessarily matter, since it "is should be ok to be gay" nowadays. But for the deeply pathological trainwreck outside of that, it's cognitive behavioral therapy, but good luck convincing any coomer to follow through with that... Also good luck even just finding a therapist who believes we're right on this...

 

[TruffleSpark]

It's strange and disturbing how so many of these "transbians" were in heterosexual relationships before transitioning, then are in relationships with other trannies afterward.

It's like the troon process, through cognitive dissonance, manages to actually turn these men gay. I wonder if, below the surface, they can feel some sort of incongruity they can't shake because of it.

The key thing to understand is that the main source of sexual arousal is themselves. Maybe some of them are bisexual, but by and large they are attracted to the idea of themselves as a woman, so they seek out men to fuck them because in their mind being a woman = getting fucked by a man.