Off-Topic Random Trans Thoughts, Musings, and Questions - For all your armchair psych and general sperging

[The Morning Visitor]

I'm not a man so I'm not an expert on this by any means, but there's definitely a noticable pattern of men developing AGP from porn addiction. Again, back in the day all you had was the old playboy magazine you swiped from your uncle's drawer, now you have literally all the vile degenerate fetish content you could ever imagine at your fingertips.

I can tell you that AGP is fairly common among straight teenaged boys, particularly sexually frustrated ones. They learn about female bodies, they think about them every 5 minutes, they obsess about them, some become jealous because they feel that girls/women have sex appeal just through virtue of existing. Neither non-trans guys nor troons will admit it because AGP is gross, but a lot of straight guys feel it in their hormonal years and outgrow it either by becoming sexually active or just by growing older and being less hormonal (thus less sex-driven).

I don't know if this was less prevalent before internet porn because I grew up after the "box of playboys innawoods" days, but it is what it is. The biggest issue is that the institutions are now telling them that these feelings are valid and that they can grow up to be the beautiful woman that they want, which means more boys are clinging to the fantasy and chasing it for longer.

 

[Paper Machete]

I can tell you that AGP is fairly common among straight teenaged boys, particularly sexually frustrated ones.

How do you know this? Why is the logic that "I desire you therefor a desire to be like you" something that is present in large amounts of the population. It's not actually common and if it is now it's induced through EPI and how hypersexuality is promoted and prevalent in a lot of things these days. Like, I'm genuinely curious. I also think a lot of kiwis have biases because of who they hang around. Not to put too fine a point on it but a lot of us are nerdy, introverted types, so if that's the bulk of your socializing then yeah you're going to have a particular idea of what is "normal" based on their vulnerabilities. (As well, as the fact almost everyone nerdy has used things like Discord or something similar before and we all know how prevalent groomers are.)

I think people really disregard how much porn and pornified things (and weirdos having contact because of social media and chatrooms) has changed how a lot of people develop their sexuality. Having kinks and fetishes is not normal. It's a subverted and abstracted sexuality. It's likely you're seeing the effects of such and just not realizing it.

Most women didn't think choking or other stuff was "normal" part of sex or even consider it an option at all either. It's porn and online groomers giving them these ideas.

 

[The Morning Visitor]

How do you know this? Why is the logic that "I desire you therefor a desire to be like you" something that is present in large amounts of the population.

Every straight boy wants to be in the room when the sexy sleepover pillow fights happen. I am a grown man, I know those don't actually happen, but hormonal boys don't know any better. It's a small jump from fantasizing about watching the lesbian sex to fantasizing about participating in the lesbian sex.

Is the sexy pillow fight myth propagated by porn? Absolutely. Would boys fantasize of it happening even without early exposure to porn? You may disagree, but I believe they would.

I have no proof for the prevalence of AGP in western male youth, and it's likely unable to be collected due to male denial/shame and troon litigation; I am just using my common sense.

 

[Paper Machete]

I have no proof for the prevalence of AGP in western male youth

I am just using my common sense.

I'm not saying you don't have some window into this as a male yourself. But prescribing fetishes to children is a bad idea.

And lesbian pillow fights is 100% a porn thing. I rarely ever had sleep overs as it was. It's not really a thing that's common anymore IME. More a pre mid 2000s thing. So where would a teenager get the idea it's even a "false" fantasy if his peers aren't having a bunch of sleep overs he's hearing them organizing. Sus as fuck.

No, what's happening is you're growing up as a kid and your parent's are okay. Kinda of dull. They mostly just ask how school is (it's always "okay") and then watch T.V. in the evening. You're a bit of an introvert and spend a lot of time online with gaming. Hell, a lot of the time the friends you do have spend a good bit of time hanging out in game chats/voice calls more so than you do in person (some boomer would just get mad at you for "loitering" anyway). And bang you watch porn, a lot. The vanilla stuff is old hat and uninteresting to you now and anyway being vanilla is laaame. And bang, Discord people make jokes about it and talk about it but it's whatever because that sort of stuff is normal. Even the lame teachers going over sex ed say so. Only some prude pearl clutcher would find it weird to talk about what you jack off to with random--they're not random they're in your server--people. It's not weird...and the rest is a pretty obvious trajectory. There's a lot of pretty overt grooming in schools with presenting kids with the idea and of therapists feeding people shit too.

Being AGP is a totally inverted sexuality. That's not something that happens just because you're horny but aren't getting laid.

(Also, the majority of trannies are actually pooners, especially the underage ones. What do you think could be driving this during the all of a sudden increase in trooned out minors? Females don't develop fetishes the why males do. Yet, the explosion in cases is all happening around the same time. It's because of the grooming.)

 

[Idiot Sandwich the 3rd]

I always found ridiculous the argument troons give when defining women by natural features
"Some cis women are born with xy chromosomes"
"Some cis women dont have periods" "some cis women don't have uterus"
When those cases are extremely rare and if it happens naturally is usually a genetic defect.

By the same logic we should define trans identified men as sex offenders.
Yeah they say is only a small minority of trans women that commit sexual crimes, but a small minority of biological women have xy chromosomes and don't have periods.

Of course I'm being sarcastic, I know is not a small minority within the trans comunity, I don't even think is a minority in the first place

 

[Paper Machete]

By the same logic we should define trans identified men as sex offenders.

When a lot of vice laws were still on the book, they could've been. Literally. Crossdressing was exhibitionistic and public indecency. And of course, there would be high chance the man in question was a transvestite prostitute. It was a sort of "broken windows" policing that thanks to proggies has gone the way of the dodo.

But really, every open AGP is already an offender in such a manner. I think of them as such anyway.

 

[GluttonousManSlob]

but do most straight coomers have latent AGP?

Maybe in some cases, maybe not in others. It's possible for someone to develop new sexual preferences or fetishes over time, especially if they're avidly consuming porn. I think with AGP in particular, it's like a mental drug. A coomer engages with it and once they get a taste of that fetish, it's addicting like crack or fentanyl. It has the same effect as on the consumer's personality too, in that it erodes and warps their former personality and identity. Hell, I would argue that the entire point of the fetish is the destruction of a person's former self and their old lives. I think out of the many aberrant fetishes out there, this aspect of self-annihilation is what makes AGP especially dangerous to a person. There is also the fact that an AGP tries to enact the fetish at all times, even if it would be impede them in performing basic tasks. There is never a moment where an AGP stops trying to be a woman.

If you're a coomer chasing the next high, AGP would be like a depraved siren's call.

 

[Spangled Drongo]

Speaking of AGP, something troons often say to deny its existence is "but cis women have AGP too!" When I'm pretty certain no woman has gotten horny off the simple fact she has boobs and a vagina, or from wearing a dress or lingerie the way troons describe - there's a difference between being comfortable with your appearance or liking the way a particular piece of clothing looks on you (or wearing it because you're trying to impress someone and the thought of being seen as attractive to that person gets you in the mood) and fucking cooming over your own reflection or mental image of yourself which is plain old narcissism. The entire point of AGP is they're getting aroused over something they aren't and never will be.

 

[Idiot Sandwich the 3rd]

Speaking of AGP, something troons often say to deny its existence is "but cis women have AGP too!" When I'm pretty certain no woman has gotten horny off the simple fact she has boobs and a vagina, or from wearing a dress or lingerie the way troons describe - there's a difference between being comfortable with your appearance or liking the way a particular piece of clothing looks on you (or wearing it because you're trying to impress someone and the thought of being seen as attractive to that person gets you in the mood) and fucking cooming over your own reflection or mental image of yourself which is plain old narcissism. The entire point of AGP is they're getting aroused over something they aren't and never will be.

As a woman, I can comfirm.
I never had an euphoria boner when I put on a skirt or when I went to a female changing room

 

[The Morning Visitor]

Speaking of AGP, something troons often say to deny its existence is "but cis women have AGP too!" When I'm pretty certain no woman has gotten horny off the simple fact she has boobs and a vagina, or from wearing a dress or lingerie the way troons describe - there's a difference between being comfortable with your appearance or liking the way a particular piece of clothing looks on you (or wearing it because you're trying to impress someone and the thought of being seen as attractive to that person gets you in the mood) and fucking cooming over your own reflection or mental image of yourself which is plain old narcissism. The entire point of AGP is they're getting aroused over something they aren't and never will be.

I am positive that there is some True and Honest Woman out there, somewhere, that is aroused by her own body and genitalia. There's 8 billion people in the world, slightly over 4 billion women, that has to happen to at least one of them.

I am also pretty sure that it's not normal for either sex to be aroused by their own bodies, and as you put it, it's a sign of narcissism. Even if you're same-sex attracted and like biologies similar to your own, being turned on by the look and feel of yourself is not a normal part of human sexuality. Otherwise gay men wouldn't be going out, catching AIDS and Monkeypox like they're going out of style; they'd stay at home and jerk off in a mirror.

 

[NiKo's Deagle Miss]

Imo there are no lesbian pooners, they are all meta attracted (aka attracted to playing male role in sex/relationships).

Testosterone doesn't change their orientation, they just get this horny that they can't hide their attraction to men anymore.

 

[deermeat]

Imo there are no lesbian pooners, they are all meta attracted (aka attracted to playing male role in sex/relationships).

By that logic there are no HSTSs period. I do agree though that a lot of lesbian pooners are akin to stone butch lesbians where a lot of them "begin" being attracted to men later on.

HSTSs wouldn't be HSTSs without a porn/sex addiction. That is something seen throughout all "trans" history, never a tranny who just tried to live a normal life.

 

[Paper Machete]

Imo there are no lesbian pooners, they are all meta attracted (aka attracted to playing male role in sex/relationships).

I disagree. A lot of them in pooner for pooner or who've tried to get a "straight" relationship are probably pseudo lesbians and not true and honest. But I don't think that's all of them. Just a lot of them. Talking about pseudo/meta attraction is also sort of an odd conversation in that no one can agree on if it's real after or not. I would say once Pandora's box is open, it's open. We can talk about why it was. But there it is.

A lot of the pooners that try to fulfil a "straight" male role are lesbians whose initial desire to transition was because they had confused feelings about what their attraction to women (or lack of attraction to men) and all meant. They're just unlucky enough to have been born in a time when trannism is pushed. A lot of older pooners who transitioned where true and honest lesbians who thought it would be an easier way to live. Just like how most trannies who tried to do so where gay. It's maladaptive sure. But the outright fetishists were the ones underground. While the butches and HSTSs tried to force a sort of normal life by playing out the opposite sex.

A lot of pooners that thought they were asexual or were lesbians before pooning actually say they began to be attracted to men after on T. Which I find interesting. I think the T raised their sex drives enough their latent desires came more to their forefront. A lot of "asexual" women just have really really low libidos but are otherwise straight but get with other women in (pretty much sexless) relationships for companionship. Or else are just content going it alone. But T raising their libido would make them want to actually act on it.

I hope that made sense.

 

[deermeat]

Personality disorder aside, pooners are so disappointing sometimes because a lot of "tboy" stuff seems so fun. Replace "tboy" with just girls hanging around girls and you get the point. When it comes to interests, I share a lot of common ground with the average pooner because the average pooner is a nerd- including when it comes to animals, such as rats and bugs.
Pooners are so feminine and at its core it is a good thing, if only they'd drop the trans stuff altogether.

Some of them are really toxic in a way where I'd never wanna be their friend, trans or not, but I think the funny thing about that is usually they fit a stereotype that tells you "run away" regardless.

 

[Idiot Sandwich the 3rd]

Personality disorder aside, pooners are so disappointing sometimes because a lot of "tboy" stuff seems so fun. Replace "tboy" with just girls hanging around girls and you get the point. When it comes to interests, I share a lot of common ground with the average pooner because the average pooner is a nerd- including when it comes to animals, such as rats and bugs.
Pooners are so feminine and at its core it is a good thing, if only they'd drop the trans stuff altogether.

Some of them are really toxic in a way where I'd never wanna be their friend, trans or not, but I think the funny thing about that is usually they fit a stereotype that tells you "run away" regardless.

A lot of my pooner friends where just tomboys I related to when I started being friends with them.
I only consider them friends now because every now and then we can talk about stuff we have in common but I wish they didnt poon out.
I would not be friends with them if I met them now, that is very sad because they can be very nice people when they dont get crazy mad for being called a She.
I don't think I ever met any other girl that was just a tomboy like myself that didnt poon out at some point. Its frustrating

 

[Spangled Drongo]

A lot of my pooner friends where just tomboys I related to when I started being friends with them.
I only consider them friends now because every now and then we can talk about stuff we have in common but I wish they didnt poon out.
I would not be friends with them if I met them now, that is very sad because they can be very nice people when they dont get crazy mad for being called a She.
I don't think I ever met any other girl that was just a tomboy like myself that didnt poon out at some point. Its frustrating

Similar phenomenon: straight women not liking the way hetero relationships are depicted in the current culture where everything has to not only be overtly sexual, but degenerate shit is celebrated and if you don't like it you're "kink shaming", so they start calling themselves asexual if they maybe want a more old fashioned type of relationship in which sex isn't a huge deal.

I have an acquaintance like this who's gone all in on the "aroace" label, is still a she/her but has multiple pins and T-shirts proclaiming her identity and says she just doesn't find anyone attractive but I'm honestly not sure if she legit feels that way or has just convinced herself she does because it's more socially acceptable to claim a "queer" identity nowadays than admit that you're not down with the weird sex stuff that's become trendy, and since she's a hardcore leftist she can't just admit to being into old fashioned romantic relationships. Pity as she's also into plenty of nerdy stuff and is alright as long as we avoid gender/sexuality related topics (as she also believes in gender identity, naturally) but the TQIA+ are such a cult and it's unfortunate to see how many people they've brainwashed. IDK, I'm just skeptical about the "ace" identity being a point of pride since I'd have thought not being interested in a relationship was something that didn't really matter either way and requires no label rather than an oppressed group that needs to stand up to the haters by shoving it back in their faces.

 

[Misogenes]

IDK, I'm just skeptical about the "ace" identity being a point of pride since I'd have thought not being interested in a relationship was something that didn't really matter either way and requires no label rather than an oppressed group that needs to stand up to the haters by shoving it back in their faces.

Back in my younger days, I adopted the "ace" label a bit because I had a lower libido (which turned out to have a medical component) and because I was never interested in dating. Until I was, but that took a change in scenery and a fresh dating pool. But I kept the label for a while, even after I got married.

Can't really beat the cognitive dissonance, though. After all, here I was, happily married and doing married-people things, but still calling myself ace? Didn't make sense. I was straight, functionally and in reality. Once Tumblr started doing its micro-labels, that really pushed me to start rejecting the whole idea. ("Demisexual" is the most tryhard nonsense normie label; congrats, you're straight.)

I was invited to join the alphabet club on the ship at some point, but I never went because I knew the ace thing was bullshit that had nothing to do with being gay. It felt like getting a trophy for a race you weren't even running in. Anyone who says aces are oppressed deserves to get laughed at to their face. What, people judge you for not settling down and starting a family yet? That's not an ace problem, that's an anyone problem. Someone forces you to have sex? That's a crime that can happen to literally everyone. You're not special for being a spinster. God, some "aces" and so-called "aro-aces" were the horniest bitches I knew, they just happened to be single.

 

[Fuck Fags I'm A Homophobe]

Honestly, if trump was like "fuck it, this has gone on long enough" and banned gender reassignment surgery/hormone blockers/etc. Would America be better off? would we see a huge spike in the suicide rate?

 

[Hassou Tobi]

Imo there are no lesbian pooners, they are all meta attracted (aka attracted to playing male role in sex/relationships).

Testosterone doesn't change their orientation, they just get this horny that they can't hide their attraction to men anymore.

Obviously the autistic Fujo ones we commonly see online are straight girls. But irl I’ve only know butch lesbian pooners. It’s common for proto pooners to discover they’re lesbian,” live as” a butch lesbian but then continue onto transitioning feeling something is still “not quite right.” Buck Angel is a famous example of this.

I’m way less understanding of the pooner mindset (lmao no one cares about them because they’re such a joke) than the agp/hsts male troons but it’s wrong to say there aren’t any lesbian ones even though the yaoi loving straight girls are what we are exposed to kf.

 

[The Morning Visitor]

Honestly, if trump was like "fuck it, this has gone on long enough" and banned gender reassignment surgery/hormone blockers/etc. Would America be better off? would we see a huge spike in the suicide rate?

Yes.

There would be a small spike in the suicide rate from the people that already irreversibly changed their bodies, pre-medicalized dysphoric suicide rate would be unchanged (because SRS and HRT have had no measurable impact on suicidality, admitted by Kate Strangio in court), and we would be better off.

Personally, I support the right for adults to pursue cosmetic "care", including unnecessary amputations of breasts/testicles/penises, but in the grander scale, viewing the societal boundaries this "care" inevitably pushed, and the fact that this unnecessary care was immediately labelled "life saving" to bypass adolescent consent and insurance claim denial... it would be a net positive.