Off-Topic Random Trans Thoughts, Musings, and Questions - For all your armchair psych and general sperging

[bouquetnine]

A troon son, constantly miserable and panicked, finally hands his parents the jar with his testicles inside, and that's an emotional shock, coupled with the requirement to be nothing but affirming. A single second of imperfect enthusiasm is enough to be estranged for life.

The son should be estranged. He won't give any grandkids so what's the point? He's also proven himself a danger to even be an uncle and help raise other grandkids.

 

[Zhores Medvedev]

Genuine questions for the men Kiwis: Do you care if women get into men's bathrooms? What about men's showers and changing rooms?

I absolutely care. One of my friends told a story of their younger brother being on the swim team of their local high school. A pooner chose to poon out middle of the year and insisted that they change with the men. Day one, pooner just full takes off her shirt in front of everyone, and made all of the men incredibly uncomfortable, so they go to the coach. Coach says he can't do anything because the parents are super rich and have connections at the district. So coach makes a new policy. Everyone must change one at a time and can take no longer than 2 minutes to change. So everyone was forced to give up the locker room downtime of chatting with your boys (or ladies) because some pooner ( who made no attempt to transition and who only talked to one natal woman on the team, none of the other men) insisted they were a boy. She also (because she was a boy) wouldn't wear a swimtop. Thats right! The coach made he wear a shirt, but you are all familiar with how wet clothes work, so when she got out of the pool, she was practically flashing every un willing person who happened to be in the pool at the time. She wasn't a good swimmer, she insisted on competing against the men at meets (she of course never won anything). All of the men wear nervous around here for fear of getting flashed or saying something that would set her off and everyone lost a lot of the camaraderie of being apart of the team all because of some dysgenic freak.

I told another story on in a different thread about another girl I knew who was pretending to be a boy and was assaulted in a bathroom. The worst of men take advantage of the of the space to assault and creep on women, where in the story above the best of men ( I've known my friends brother and the crowd he runs with since they were very little, they all have pretty excellent character, they made up a lot of the team ) are repulsed and uncomfortable. In no way does this shit work out for anyone involved.

 

[Izdaja Slika]

Genuine questions for the men Kiwis: Do you care if women get into men's bathrooms? What about men's showers and changing rooms?

Obviously women care. But do men? You are not scared of the women obviously, but do you feel uncomfortable, or maybe like it's not decent or something like that? Imigine you are teenagers again, how do you feel about it?

I haven't been confronted with it yet, but yes, I care.

It's gross. Any pooner who would do it is telling me, brazenly and openly, "I don't care about violating your boundaries and the conventions of single-sex spaces and there is fuck nothing you can do about it". And she'd be right: there is fuck nothing I can do about it.

It's also true outside physically revealing situations. A pooner in a men's talk group, for example. Gross beyond words. Seriously, you foul, boundary-violating narcissist cunt. Fuck. OFF.

Even in men's sport. Almost never a concern, mind, but do you think men will treat a female player the same as a male player in a contact sport? They sure won't, even shitlib leftists who will mouth the words 'trans men are men' won't willingly punch a transman in the face, or tackle her, because he knows trans men are women.

There's no fucking limit to the absolute, unrestrained effrontery of the trans mindset and the mindless, hateful, shitlib leftists who support it. Years ago, an all-male, private nudist camping ground got in trouble because it specified it was specifically for actual men (you know, the kinds of men with penises who were 'assigned' male at birth). But noooooo, that excluded trans "men".

"What are you going to do, have genital inspections at the gate?" Genital inspections wouldn't be needed if women were not going to lie about their genitals. And so you are telling me, plain as an arrowroot biscuit, you are ready, willing and able to lie.

These fucking cunting whore moron retard bottom-dwellers do have something over me: they know how to grind my gears. It's okay to have a camping ground that excludes anyone who does not identify as a man. But it's a fucking human rights violation to have a camping ground that includes only actual men.

 

[Tragi-Chan]

Any question along the lines of "why do troons?" can be answered with "because they are autistic males." Why do troons not bathe properly?" Jokes about nerds having poor body odor, unhealthy diets, and weird facial hair patterns were common on the internet long before trannies took over. Because that's what autistic males who spend too much time online are like.

Honestly, I think this is the real reason for the trans trend. Strip away the fetish shit and what you have is a community where autistic people can be themselves without worrying about being judged. Except that can be toxic, because while it’s embarrassing to fuck up in public, these experiences allow you to become better.

And of course, like any cult, acceptance comes at a price. To hang out with us, you must accept that you’re a woman - but hey, maybe you are! Look how similar we are!

Genuine questions for the men Kiwis: Do you care if women get into men's bathrooms? What about men's showers and changing rooms?

Obviously women care. But do men? You are not scared of the women obviously, but do you feel uncomfortable, or maybe like it's not decent or something like that? Imigine you are teenagers again, how do you feel about it?

Personally, no. I have no problem being naked in front of people. If little Kai feels threatened by that, tough shit - you’re a man, aren’t ya?

If I was a teenager, that would be a different story. I was pretty insecure about my body. On the other hand, TITS.

 

[The Morning Visitor]

Genuine questions for the men Kiwis: Do you care if women get into men's bathrooms? What about men's showers and changing rooms?

Yes, I care. As a teen, I probably would have welcomed any chance to be consentually close to a female peer in a state of undress (which is why I'm particularly critical of teenage troons; I am aware of the male sex drive at that age and what depths some males would sink to if they think it means getting closer to a chance at touching a pair of boobs). Looking at it from an adult's perspective, as @Zhores Medvedev said (multiquote's being fucky right now):

All of the men wear nervous around here for fear of getting flashed or saying something that would set her off and everyone lost a lot of the camaraderie of being apart of the team all because of some dysgenic freak.

If she gets along with all the guys and is basically a manic-pixie-dream-girl tomboy, they're all going to be fighting amongst themselves to be the first to sniff her crotch. If she's the conventionally unattractive flabby butch and rubs everyone the wrong way, every guy is going to be deeply uncomfortable and feel like they're being monitored or objectified. And it could be a mixture of the two- you have half the gym class competing to score with the cute "daddy issues" girl and the other half isn't hard up enough to compete for that kind of crazy and starts the day feeling their privacy violated. But no matter which way you spin it, female people in male spaces absolutely ruins group cohesion.

I realize it's weird to be solely addressing this through the lens of high school locker rooms, but as an adult that doesn't use public gyms, that's my only frame of refence for public nudity, and it's following up an anecdote about a girl on the boys swim team.

They're not posing a danger like troons, but there's still reasons to only want to undress and fart and tell uncouth jokes around other males. We deserve privacy just the same as women.

 

[Chappell's Lost Earring]

I don't want to have to think about how to interact with others without causing some sort of an incident.

@TruffleSpark That's really the thing about trans people that bothers me. Like having to acknowledge them in some way, but having to fake how you acknowledge them (since they are always clockable), because they could cause an incident that could get posted online. It's been a fear of mine since people started recording everything with their smartphones. I don't intend to have any public freakouts, but you never know if other people will freak out on you, then start recording you.

Today I was going for a walk at a botanical gardens, and there were two troons there. At least I assume they were. I didn't even look at them or acknowledge their presence, but they were vaguely women shaped with male voices. I just walked by, pretending they didn't exist. I did want to get a better look at them, but I couldn't without them noticing. Living in a city, it is actually more polite to ignore people than acknowledge them. If I do have to speak with or about them, I refrain from using any gendered language at all.

So yeah, their existence makes me uncomfortable, even when it isn't just a matter of safety. Something about having to perform socially around them is uncomfortable. Just about everyone else, I understand how the interaction between us should go, and the amount of pleasantries I need to put in to have a socially acceptable interaction. With trans people, it's not always clear what is expected, and if you do anything wrong, you could end up being posted on their social media.

 

[Zhores Medvedev]

"If she's the conventionally unattractive flabby butch and rubs everyone the wrong way, every guy is going to be deeply uncomfortable and feel like they're being monitored or objectified" @The Morning Visitor

This was the case from what I understand, she was the typical pooner, short, piercings very chubby. None of the boys were attracted to her in any way (a lot of them had girlfriends and really didn't wanna be in the lockers with another girl ) they felt exactly how you described. I really worry for younger kids these days. My friends brother and his friends grew up in a pretty normal environment, went to church, had (relatively) good home lives and are in no way terminally online.

However the kids younger than them have only known this lunacy. They might not have the prior knowledge to call a spade a spade when a sex pest of what ever flavor enters a space that should be excluding them. If you are say 11 year old girl and you are used to having that one "girl" who is a little different but is a girl just like you and you grow up with that being the norm, you might not have the correct sense of the danger you might be in. Thankfully most of the zoomers I happen to know are fairly based when it comes to these things, even some of the more lefty ones and opinions around the country are seemingly flipping on this issue. But its still so irritating.

Bathrooms and locker rooms are places were you are fairly vulnerable man or woman, most of the time they are just fine. But when ever anyone has a "locker room" that is not a "haha we whipped each other with towels" its fucking creepy, bullying or full blown sexual assault. And by letting the other gender into the space they shouldn't be, you make it an absolute guarantee that the creepy, weird or assault stories that are the only ones that are told.

 

[Lain The Tranny Beater]

I want to peak my friend so bad. I’m sick of this tranny support shit on his page. Of course, I just smile and ignore it. I just don’t want to hear it every other week. These male trannies are fucking creeps that keep trying sexually harassing me because I’m a lesbian. They think it so funny and to try to touch and grope me, because that’s what “women do.” This isn’t some gay little loli anime! Real women don’t do that shit in the middle of a bar! I wish I could tell him exactly how I feel. I don’t give af about pooners, because they at least respect my autonomy as a woman. But I don’t want a biological man trying to grab my ass! I want to have a drink without having to being on the defense among what’s supposed to be solely other women.

 

[Sandshrew]

I want to peak my friend so bad. I’m sick of this tranny support shit on his page. Of course, I just smile and ignore it. I just don’t want to hear it every other week. These male trannies are fucking creeps that keep trying sexually harassing me because I’m a lesbian. They think it so funny and to try to touch and grope me, because that’s what “women do.” This isn’t some gay little loli anime! Real women don’t do that shit in the middle of a bar! I wish I could tell him exactly how I feel. I don’t give af about pooners, because they at least respect my autonomy as a woman. But I don’t want a biological man trying to grab my ass! I want to have a drink without having to being on the defense among what’s supposed to be solely other women.

You're real for this. It's a shame because the gay community has been completely taken away from us. We basically have to go back underground to have a woman-only event, it's truly a clown world.

I'm not an Islam supporter, but I've heard some use the excuse "This space is AFAB-only to make hijabis feel safe" as a politically correct way to avoid ree-ing from trannies being excluded.

 

[Tragon Dirtle]

why isn't calling themselves dolls peaking more people

 

[Dickinson's Real Deal]

I'm not the best at articulating such thoughts but here goes. Is it not clear to everyone that the categories of human sex were first established on the observation of genitalia differences? Troons love to gaslight and point to secondary sex characteristics (and/or hormone levels), but if that's what we always used for reference, men with Kleinfelter's would have been seen as women and maybe even women with PCOS would have historically been categorised as men (which perhaps they were by dumb people, which brings me to another point of them allowing the dumb and ignorant to define gender roles, and adherence to that rule book, instead of throwing away such reductive and baseless ideas). They can't even be consistent with it either; ask a troon about their pet dogs sex and how they know.

 

[Meth Reindeer]

Is it not clear to everyone that the categories of human sex were first established on the observation of genitalia differences?

You'd think so. I genuinely don't understand how people say "trans women are women" and "trans men are men" without acknowledging the reality of sexual dimorphism. It feels like purely a politeness thing. They can't sincerely be so divorced from reality that they think an apple can be an orange if you paint it as such?

Trans people obviously don't deal with the same issues as real men and real women when growing up or even day to day. That's not to say they might not have a hard time, but a trans woman will never menstruate, give birth or go through menopause. A trans man will never have embarrassing boners, wet dreams or voice breaks.

 

[The Morning Visitor]

I'm not the best at articulating such thoughts but here goes. Is it not clear to everyone that the categories of human sex were first established on the observation of genitalia differences? Troons love to gaslight and point to secondary sex characteristics (and/or hormone levels), but if that's what we always used for reference, men with Kleinfelter's would have been seen as women and maybe even women with PCOS would have historically been categorised as men (which perhaps they were by dumb people, which brings me to another point of them allowing the dumb and ignorant to define gender roles, and adherence to that rule book, instead of throwing away such reductive and baseless ideas). They can't even be consistent with it either; ask a troon about their pet dogs sex and how they know.

They know. They don't care because they want to be the opposite sex really, really bad, and they've been told they'll commit seppuku if people continue being rude to them and continue denying their chosen identities. They're overgrown, oversexualized babies and their self-executed "trans genocide" is someone else's fault.

 

[Lain The Tranny Beater]

Went to a goth bar last night. It was some weird degenerate dress up shit mixed in, but I just kept to the bar and dance floor. I actually ran into a normal, well kept cross dresser. No boner. Nothing. A completely normal dude that just liked wearing women’s clothes that didn’t look a shitty anime knock off. Kept to himself and his partner. Didn’t go up to anyone and did creepy shit. Just did his thing, the whole time. Dude even left the bar in men’s clothing.

It’s genuinely shocking to see a normal dude with a private fetish. Holy shit, I never thought I’d see anyone better than the Buffalo bill trannies prowling fucking Walmarts and gaming stores.

My mind is fucking blown

 

[Mayor Cody Travers]

Genuine questions for the men Kiwis: Do you care if women get into men's bathrooms? What about men's showers and changing rooms?

Obviously women care. But do men? You are not scared of the women obviously, but do you feel uncomfortable, or maybe like it's not decent or something like that? Imigine you are teenagers again, how do you feel about it?

I'm gonna power level here, on a decidedly personal issue here as well, in a spoiler box. I'll likely regret spilling this to answer your question, but... here goes nothing.

Spoiler: Personal account time.

I used to cosplay over a decade ago and had a lot of fun. "Had" being key, because it was some of my first introductions to the freakishness that is gender politics.... I was also apparently an attractive guy who could pull off various cosplays, and I got too many creepy women objectifying me. This included, yes, being groped without me being asked to be, and lusted after by decidedly taken (including an engaged) ladies - including in retrospect the types to become femcels and pooners alike in addition to seeming "normal" ones - and it soured me out of the hobby to keep being objectified or picked on like that, alongside being still amongst a group that was becoming decidedly lefty and progressive (this was back when tumblr was still a thing). Combine that with meseeing my own mom be abused by my dad and her raising me to never hit a lady and, it fucked me up for a good bit on seeing some of these women talk about how awful men could be except you kind of were trying to grab a personal area of me here you jackass you were literally doing the bullshit you're complaining about to ME, except I felt like I couldn't do anything to fight back without feeling ganged up on or, well, even believed or taken seriously.

So how does that relate to the bathroom stuff?

Essentially, a man's situation is lose-lose in a lot of ways if a woman barges into men's personal spaces like above. As noted, there's always gonna be creepy dudes willing to take advantage of women dumb and selfish enough to do that. But the majority, the vast majority, of men are goodhearted folk - and it is unfair to put upon them a feeling of being helpless or uncomfortable as the woman takes advantage of both the strength difference and societal lessons the men have been taught to both never fight against a lady, but also how a woman's mere claims can be turned against the man REAL fast in the court of public opinion. Men are just as human and full of feelings as women are, and in that sense, deserve being respected with regards to privacy as much as women do. That goes tenfold for teenage boys, especially since like it or lump it, we're now getting an undeniable rash of women teacher pedos in the schools right now taking advantage of their station to get access to those hormonal or insecure ones.

It's well in the past now, but for a long while I felt miserable over what happened to me during my cosplay days, most of all the feeling I'd only lose respect or not be believed if I really made hell over what happened to me. I feel a lot of women do not really realize how hands-tied-behind-our-backs men feel when women do things like what happened to me, or push into our own spaces, because the moment Shit Goes Down, we all know a woman's gonna suffer a lot worse physically, but I think it highlights a lot of the emotional issues men have to deal with in today's society of having to suck things up even when it is unquestionably unfair to them. Women who take advantage of that? Pure fucking scum.

 

[Paper Machete]

It’s genuinely shocking to see a normal dude with a private fetish

It wasn't private though, was it? Because you saw it and based on the post didn't sign on to necessarily be around that...

 

[Lain The Tranny Beater]

It wasn't private though, was it? Because you saw it and based on the post didn't sign on to necessarily be around that...

Actually, it was advertised as that on the website and the instagram. I just didn’t know until after the fact. Still great industrial music through

 

[Sandshrew]

I'm not gonna lie, I've had the thought before of wondering how easy it would be to start a fake GoFundMe "trans surgery" grift, with the typical sob story of "being kicked out by transphobic parents, being too disabled to work, living with my polyamorous metamour who works 2 jobs", but in reality just taking the money and doing nothing trans-related with it.

Even the "real" ones are grifts, so I don't think I would be doing anything wrong. Worst case scenario is that I could just say I "changed my mind on the transition" if found out, or that I'm "nonbinary", thus no medical transition necessary.

But it sounds like it'd be too much effort to do, especially since I'd probably need a Twitter/Bluesky following first. It would be especially funny if I donated the money to For Women Scotland or a similar anti-trans group.

 

[2mm and 99 others]

You may also take some images from the srs thread and try to grift for a revision surgery of a botched work and a lawsuit, and see where it goes. For science.

 

[Farmer Jon]

I started reflecting on the later stages of my disillusionment within the trans community and noticed something. Some of the words of encouragement they use for newcomers is very similar to what they use for new Christians. I remember in my pre-peaking pooner days I would look up videos like "What makes someone trans" or "How to stop being trans", obviously nobody was making videos on such a retarded query, but I stumbled upon a TON, and I mean a metric ton of videos from MtFs guiding young children on how to figure out if they are trans.

Throughout all of the videos and resources I consulted, I noticed a common saying. It was always something along the lines of "If you are seeking this resource on if you are transgender, isn't that not a sign you are transgender?" all the time. It was everywhere, "Well why would a CIS person ask themselves if they are transgender... hmm? You must secretly be a tranny", it was everywhere. I realized that this was almost word for word what Christians tell newcomers. "You see, God has already found you, your desire to seek him is proof in and of itself that his truth is within you", "You see, your path to gender affirmation is already laid out for you, your desire to even question your own identity is proof that you are transgender"

Here's a video example of what I'm on about

Spoiler: Spoilered because his face started giving me psychic damage from how ugly he was