Off-Topic Random Trans Thoughts, Musings, and Questions - For all your armchair psych and general sperging

[Idiot Sandwich the 3rd]

"Well why would a CIS person ask themselves if they are transgender... hmm? You must secretly be a tranny",

I had a discussion with a pro-trans person once before I fully peaked. At the time I ws a desister considering myself a masculine woman/Butch/tomboy, but I still supported the trans narrative at that time.

This person told me that gender non-comforming counted as not being cis, that someone like me, even if identified as the sex I was born with but was comfortable expressing myself as masculine, fell under the "queer umbrella". Basically saying that you either conform to society or youre already a troon.

In retrospect, this is very dangerous because this is how many young people, specially women get lured into being transgender, they paint the "gender assigned at birth" as an evil restrictive box, if you fall outside of it you MUST be trans.

Ironically enough they are the ones putting things into boxes, or umbrellas in this case.
Cisgender is a restrictive, limited box that forces you to only act like a boy or a girl. But the wide and inclusive trans queer umbrella is so wide and inclusive you can wear anything you want and act however you want.

It is literal cult behavior, they tell you that youre already part of their cult even if you didnt even considered it "youre already here, so why not keep indulging in it?" Type of thing.

I think this is why there's also a lot of "transtrenders" people who still look and act as their biological sex stereotypes, but they're trans because one thing doesnt fall into the stereotypical role of the sex they're born in. So they're trans because one thing doesnt align with what "society" says

 

[Paper Machete]

This person told me that gender non-comforming counted as not being cis, that someone like me, even if identified as the sex I was born with but was comfortable expressing myself as masculine, fell under the "queer umbrella". Basically saying that you either conform to society or youre already a troon.

It's because it is somewhat correct.

Being GNC and being a crossdresser are what "trans" people are doing. They are taking on the dress and aesthetics of the opposite sex.

So if you want trans to be a genuine Thing. You have to choose whether one or the other is it. They will pretend that there is a clear difference in some contexts for the proggie points. But there is not. Trannies are crossdressers. And if they want to be able to feel validated in their ideology they cannot accept that it's something you can do and not be trans.

I would unironically agree with them, especially in the case of men, that there is functionally little to no difference between a tranny and a crossdresser to be honest. It's just a difference of whether or not there is an ideology/politics attached to that and how committed to the bit they are. But a lot of it all comes from the same place. It's like the old joke about the difference between them only being time. And the reason for that is because the type of person who would want to be an overt crossdresser in the first place is already a degen weirdo.

(Basically what I'm saying is that it's arguing about what to call a particular behavior. But the behavior is, yes, in actuality it's pretty much the same thing.)

 

[Farmer Jon]

Being GNC and being a crossdresser are what "trans" people are doing. They are taking on the dress and aesthetics of the opposite sex.

You underestimate how little it takes to be called an "egg" in this day and age. Something as benign as enjoying the acts of growing your hair out, shaving your face a little, and maybe painting your nails is enough for Reddit user "Eggdestroyer69" to DM you saying "Do you want resources on DIY HRT?". You don't see this much in pooner spaces as it's mostly just dejected women who wish they were taken seriously in life, but crossdressing itself isn't always what drives trannies to determine someone is "trans"

 

[Gender: Xenomorph]

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[Sandshrew]

I cannot fucking stand liberals' tendency to say "That never happens" in response to someone bringing a phenomenon up. It's literally untrue. Yes, bad things do happen. Yes, LGBT people can do bad things.

Saying "That never happens" during a constructive conversation about the fact kids shouldn't be allowed to transition, or that male rapists shouldn't be allowed to be transferred to women's prisons, only makes you look like a fucking idiot and makes people hate trannies more.

I'm gay. If someone says "Gay people are pedophiles, look at this news headline of a gay pedophile". Then I wouldn't say "Gay people are never pedophiles and that's fake", denying the fact gay pedophiles exist entirely. I would say "Straight pedophiles also exist, being gay doesn't necessarily make you a pedophile".

You would think for a side that mocks Trump for saying "fake news" wouldn't also use the exact same tactic. I guess this is just a prime example of Horseshoe Theory.

 

[Trapper]

I cannot fucking stand liberals' tendency to say "That never happens" in response to someone bringing a phenomenon up. It's literally untrue. Yes, bad things do happen. Yes, LGBT people can do bad things.

Saying "That never happens" during a constructive conversation about the fact kids shouldn't be allowed to transition, or that male rapists shouldn't be allowed to be transferred to women's prisons, only makes you look like a fucking idiot and makes people hate trannies more.

I'm gay. If someone says "Gay people are pedophiles, look at this news headline of a gay pedophile". Then I wouldn't say "Gay people are never pedophiles and that's fake", denying the fact gay pedophiles exist entirely. I would say "Straight pedophiles also exist, being gay doesn't necessarily make you a pedophile".

You would think for a side that mocks Trump for saying "fake news" wouldn't also use the exact same tactic. I guess this is just a prime example of Horseshoe Theory.

Saying “that never happens” shows how black and white their thought patterns are. Child transition and rape are evil, their side is the good side so they can’t possibly do anything that isn’t virtuous, and don’t ask them to stop and consider that it may be fact because that could topple the entire house of cards ideology. At most they will say people who commit those crimes aren’t real trans, or that cis people commit these crimes more often, so the scales of justice are always balanced in their favour. The one woketard I almost got through to by showing him these facts, ended up saying the victims were “worth the sacrifice”, I kid you not.

 

[Stan]

Troonery is just materialism gone metastatic. This why I don’t think the church (the episcopal church but also any Christian church) needs to try and include, tolerate, or appeal to troons. Troons break down womanhood into a series of things to be acquired; cheap chinkshit Shein clothes, fetishized footwear, costume jewelry, a series of plastic surgery appointments, rearranging their own face into a Vanna White by way of Michael Jackson deathmask of silicone and fillers. Pooners are nearly as bad; they just think one more tattoo, this special binder, this special packer, one more gauge in their ear hole, one more piercing, and a short hair cut makes them men. Pooners are more concerned with how they can pee standing up than that whole “take up your cross and follow me” thing. They’ll just screech “dood!” at each other like Disgaea prinnies and then refocus on how to turn themselves into real boys for real this time.

Every time the Crossing does shit in the cathedral it feels like a pride parade doing a sit-in because there’s zero real interest in faith and lots of interest about centering troon wants and troon expectations and troon ridiculousness as somehow acceptable. If it was up to The Crossing, there wouldn’t be a cross in that Cathedral, and it would look like a defunct bank turned into a salmon pink MJ dispensary. They’d all set up folding chairs in a circle like it’s an AA meeting with a band + open mic. (This is a dig on a specific cathedral, but troons ruin every faith space they’re permitted to occupy with aesthetic similar results.) This is because they have no real interest in God.

I’m writing this because I’m specifically trigged by Buffalo Lill describing a trip to Disneyworld as a “pilgrimage” (to do what, worship at the foot of Space Mountain?) but there are many such cases in troon world. It’s disgusting.

 

[Bob Faget]

Transgenderism is like a fucking death rape cult. These people think that they are constantly being discriminated against and are on the brink of being sent out on death marches and mass genocided even though they have more priviliges than anyone else. They take advantage of mentally vurnerable young men and groom them into cutting thier dicks off and taking drugs. I try to sympathize with some of them as many of them are victims.of grooming but that sympathy goes out the window when they start grooming others. Much like a cult anyone who deviates from thier beliefs is treated like shit and gaslit into staying in the eternal echo chamber. As much as they claim its not hurting anyone it does. It hurts everyone around them. Its like watching a loved one get addicted to drugs. Ive seen some of the stories on another thread about losing loved ones to troonism, and its fucking heartbreaking and genuinley makes me MATI. Not to mention the sexual degenracy. I literally saw a archiced reddit post about how some kid wore a choker to school and got a "euphoria boner" and everyone in the comments was just talking about how le epic it was. Shit was actually fucking sick. And thats not even the worst ive seen from this community. Not mention how they ruin every space theyre in. Cant enjoy being part of any fandom without having to walk on eggshells and seeing a bunch of gay tranny headcannons. I could go on but ill stop here. Sorry if it comes of as spergy but i had to get it off my chest.

 

[Écho Öwl]

Anyone read this book? Thoughts?

 

[DavidS877]

Anyone read this book? Thoughts?

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Is it one page long that says in large friendly letters: "They're not."

 

[Aunt Carol]

Is it one page long that says in large friendly letters: "They're not."

It sounds like the kind of book that's needed, but if it doesn't have Discord and puppygirl polycules in the index it's already out of date.

 

[The Poopsmith]

Troonery is just materialism gone metastatic. This why I don’t think the church (the episcopal church but also any Christian church) needs to try and include, tolerate, or appeal to troons. Troons break down womanhood into a series of things to be acquired; cheap chinkshit Shein clothes, fetishized footwear, costume jewelry, a series of plastic surgery appointments, rearranging their own face into a Vanna White by way of Michael Jackson deathmask of silicone and fillers. Pooners are nearly as bad; they just think one more tattoo, this special binder, this special packer, one more gauge in their ear hole, one more piercing, and a short hair cut makes them men. Pooners are more concerned with how they can pee standing up than that whole “take up your cross and follow me” thing. They’ll just screech “dood!” at each other like Disgaea prinnies and then refocus on how to turn themselves into real boys for real this time.

Every time the Crossing does shit in the cathedral it feels like a pride parade doing a sit-in because there’s zero real interest in faith and lots of interest about centering troon wants and troon expectations and troon ridiculousness as somehow acceptable. If it was up to The Crossing, there wouldn’t be a cross in that Cathedral, and it would look like a defunct bank turned into a salmon pink MJ dispensary. They’d all set up folding chairs in a circle like it’s an AA meeting with a band + open mic. (This is a dig on a specific cathedral, but troons ruin every faith space they’re permitted to occupy with aesthetic similar results.) This is because they have no real interest in God.

I’m writing this because I’m specifically trigged by Buffalo Lill describing a trip to Disneyworld as a “pilgrimage” (to do what, worship at the foot of Space Mountain?) but there are many such cases in troon world. It’s disgusting.

A church that promotes troonism is no church at all. But Pastor Reverend Mx. Jadyn Rainbow of the First Unitarian Church of San Francisco said we can ignore that because the Bible is homophobic.

 

[Stan]

A church that promotes troonism is no church at all. But Pastor Reverend Mx. Jadyn Rainbow of the First Unitarian Church of San Francisco said we can ignore that because the Bible is homophobic

I hate universalist Unitarians already but thanks for making me hate them more

 

[The Wise Shaman]

I've noticed that trannies (both MtF and FtM) only attempt to infiltrate very surface-level female and male spaces. They genuinely have no idea what the opposite gender actually likes, and they generally stay in the same space as most people of their actual gender. Autistic niches are particularly good at highlighting this, since autists are more likely to get subverted by tranny propaganda, and their communities tend to be very one-sided gender-wise.

For males, you can always take a look at the community of any video game that requires high investment to be good at. Competitive gaming, speedrunning, and strategy games in general. It's a sausage fest. Just visit any forum related to these topics, and you won't find any women at all, but dozens of MtF trannies.

For women, romance fanfictions (such as yaoi) show the same thing, but with the opposite genders. Barely any men or MtF troons, tons of women and pooners.

Imagine thinking after all of this they were born in the "wrong body"; they don't even have the right mind in the first place. MtF and FtM trannies have such clearly male and female interests and behaviors, respectively, that you have to be either naive or delusional to think they belong to the opposite gender.

Thank God only the North American and Western European academia got subverted by these insane ideologues. My physiology professor this semester has brought up the case of the Algerian boxer as an example for 5α-reductase deficiency and told us that "he has the body of a male; he shouldn't be able to compete in women's sports." As long as there's at least one university standing against this insanity, there's hope. The day we purge these ideologues and "special interests" out of academia and bring back the glory days of science cannot come fast enough.

 

[The Judean People's Front]

I know a woman who was married to a guy who later came out as trans (after they'd already divorced and he'd attached himself to the bottom of a new female anglerfish). For a while, she was one of the few people in my life I could joke about tranny stuff with because she SAW it firsthand in how her ex behaved when he was with her and when he tried to befriend her as his "lady" persona later (major skin-walking shit).

Anyway, all this shit that's happening politically in the US has apparently pushed her back in the other direction and now she's made it her own personal mission to get me back in line. We had a friendly debate yesterday and I got so depressed; every single time I countered her, she'd turn around and say how because the Trump administration is PERSECUTING trans people so badly, we all need to just go into "super ally mode."

This is someone who was fully agreeing with me that Lia Thomas is a gross pervert months ago who is now arguing that all these guys just need protection and we must, MUST stuff down our disgust and fear for society's sake.

I dunno what exactly my point is except I've actually never ever seen the pendulum swing back so hard with one person. Granted, she's a moron who has always followed the crowd. I guess I should take that part into consideration more. It's just sad.

 

[TruffleSpark]

I'm not the best at articulating such thoughts but here goes. Is it not clear to everyone that the categories of human sex were first established on the observation of genitalia differences? Troons love to gaslight and point to secondary sex characteristics (and/or hormone levels), but if that's what we always used for reference, men with Kleinfelter's would have been seen as women and maybe even women with PCOS would have historically been categorised as men (which perhaps they were by dumb people, which brings me to another point of them allowing the dumb and ignorant to define gender roles, and adherence to that rule book, instead of throwing away such reductive and baseless ideas). They can't even be consistent with it either; ask a troon about their pet dogs sex and how they know.

It's pedantically true that sex isn't determined by genitals. Because some males have congenital defects that cause their genitals to not develop. But there is such a strong correlation between the two that you can use the genitals someone is born with as a proxy for what sex they are the overwhelming majority of the time. It's real midwit logic to try and use rare outliers as proof that a certain concept doesn't exist. I'm thinking of this 4chan post:

Throughout all of the videos and resources I consulted, I noticed a common saying. It was always something along the lines of "If you are seeking this resource on if you are transgender, isn't that not a sign you are transgender?" all the time. It was everywhere, "Well why would a CIS person ask themselves if they are transgender... hmm? You must secretly be a tranny", it was everywhere. I realized that this was almost word for word what Christians tell newcomers. "You see, God has already found you, your desire to seek him is proof in and of itself that his truth is within you", "You see, your path to gender affirmation is already laid out for you, your desire to even question your own identity is proof that you are transgender"

Then they accuse those same people who they told "if you are thinking about your gender it means you're trans" of never having been trans in the first place if/when they detransition. Every single anti detrans argument is just some version of "it's your fault for being stupid enough to believe our lies."

I cannot fucking stand liberals' tendency to say "That never happens" in response to someone bringing a phenomenon up. It's literally untrue. Yes, bad things do happen. Yes, LGBT people can do bad things.

Saying "That never happens" during a constructive conversation about the fact kids shouldn't be allowed to transition, or that male rapists shouldn't be allowed to be transferred to women's prisons, only makes you look like a fucking idiot and makes people hate trannies more.

The whole "that never happens" -> "that's just a few bad apples" -> "it is happening and it's good and I hope it happens more" thing comes across as intentional lying. But I'm not entirely convinced that it is. I think a lot of liberals have a very fluid view of reality, where there isn't an absolute truth that exists outside of human perception. But rather, the truth is whatever it needs to be in the moment. So they will contradict themselves sentence to sentence without ever feeling any dissonance over doing so. Ironically, this is the sort of thing New Atheists used to make fun of Christian fundamentalists for doing.

 

[Captain Confabulator]

I'm sure it's been said before in the SRS thread, but there is a gripping, poetic irony in the ongoing tale of Fistulissa that I cannot help but appreciate. It's not that he's unique, as there are unfortunately many others like him, but his story uniquely exhibits what I have recently come to recognize as the demonic nature of Gender Identity.

For those who are unaware, Fistulissa is a Canadian man in his 30's who has a tattoo of a mutilated and rotting Mars symbol with the words "reject His design" on his chest, and whose attempts to best God with a surgeon's blade have earned him a shit-leaking rectoperineal fistula that has stayed open for months -- hence the moniker.

In a world without Gender Identity, Fistulissa would be a whole and intact man. His body would be normal, healthy, and functioning. He clearly pays heed to the concept of God enough to taunt his Creator; Fistulissa should have the peace of knowing God didn't make a mistake in creating him. Instead, he's internalized the saccharine lies of Gender Identity: that his self is fungible, and that Fistulissa can be made in his own image.

Belief in Gender Identity has resulted in Fistulissa mutilating himself to an obscene degree. In pursuit of Gender Identity's promise that he can change his sex, Fistulissa has desexed and sterilized himself entirely. In pursuit of Gender Identity's promise that he can have a new orfice, Fistulissa has earned himself an ostomy bag. His colon is perforated. It is permanently scarred and damaged. He will never be the same -- peristalsis is one of those things you take for granted until it stops working.

Fistulissa's world has been reduced to his bed. The accomplishments he can look forward to have been reduced to penetrating himself deeper and deeper with plastic dildos. Is that what Fistulissa thought being a woman entailed when he bargained with Gender Identity to "become one"? And now, we watch as he tries to convince himself that everything is OK in a desperate bid to stave off his final act of Gender Affirmation.

Gender Identity is a demon, and it has a body count. It is ravenous for the flesh of the people who believe in it. But it will not kill them immediately, for it is both patient and cruel. It prefers to collect bits and pieces of it followers. And it does not merely want to take from you. It wants you to offer yourself to it. First it will convince you that your flesh is an aberration and a flaw, and then it offers you the sweet release of ridding yourself of it. And once you've agreed to affirm Gender, it won't ever be satisfied.

 

[Jesus Swept]

Anybody have advice or experience in gently 'redpilling' partners, family members, etc on the tranny menace? I don't wanna come across as an evil bigoted nazi or come off as hostile, but what do you do if people are talking shit about JK Rowling or being pro-tranny? Do I just link them the SRS thread?

 

[LimeRikki]

Anybody have advice or experience in gently 'redpilling' partners, family members, etc on the tranny menace? I don't wanna come across as an evil bigoted nazi or come off as hostile, but what do you do if people are talking shit about JK Rowling or being pro-tranny? Do I just link them the SRS thread?

Frame the issue in easy terms -

The unfairness of men in Women's sports

The need for the acknowlegement of sex in a medical and reasearch settings (M/F heart differences including different heart attack symptoms [ a trans"woman" will never have female heart attack symptoms]: males and females retain male and female patterns of criminality, respectively, even after transition. Meaning TIMs retain male patterns of criminality and motivation motivations when they commit crimes; and trans"woman" will never need to be screened for ovarian cancer.)

The weird overreaction the trans community has to JKR ( "I know she said some tasteless things here and there, but sending her death threats over some mean tweets on twitter seems like a bit much.")

Most people are actually against transitioning kids if they feel that they're safe to express so.

Bring up how AGPs dress ( this one works particularly well with boomer aged individuals). (" I know Lilith is having such a nice time expressing femininity, but sometimes I feel like those skirts are just a little bit too short to be respectful. There's such a thing as being mindful of how you're dressed in public!")

 

[FinnSven]

With the recent Uk ruling and various Troons and Genderspecials reeing that men could now pose as trans men to enter women’s toilets and rape, I feel that there should be a further change in the law in case of this.

If you are caught in the wrong toilet with no valid explanation (active workmen, venue staff, first aider responding to a situation, etc) then you should get five years in the clink or ankle monitored, with ten years on the sex offender registry after release or ankle monitor removed.
If you are also proven to be in the toilet for the purposes of committing a sexual crime, the sentences will be served separately.
E.g. Five years for being a creepy liar, then five years for rape, then life on sex offender registry.

The sleazy fuckers in dresses who are threatening to piss all over women’s toilets in response to this will stop pretty quickly once a couple of them are hurled into the clink or preferably have to go around with an ankle monitor.