Off-Topic Random Trans Thoughts, Musings, and Questions - For all your armchair psych and general sperging

[GenderCop]

this is crossover from the Sady/Jude Doyle thread &
did not want to derail, so figured this might be good place to discuss.

In review of "White Lotus" , Sady/Jude says that believing AGP exists is "wildly transphobic":

It was an obviously and wildly transphobic moment; the invocation of “autogynephilia,” the gobsmacked (and immediately memetic) Walton Goggins reactions to the idea of cross-dressing, the weird conflation of transness with yellowface or Dolezalian “trans-racialism.” But, because White Lotus creator Mike White is a Queer Showrunner, and because his output is prestige-y, and because gays and/or people with media careers enjoy live-tweeting his show on Sunday nights, everyone ignored it, until — a few days before the finale — Mike White went on gay conservative and “Trans Question” questioner Andrew Sullivan’s podcast to confirm that he believes “autogynephilia” is a real thing.


Why isn't it "real"?
WHAT are we discussing, in that case?

Lots of troons these days just shrug at being labeled AGP, it doesn't seem to wreck them or anything.

Sady never explains why "it" (whatever IT is!) does not exist, all while complaining that there has been "several weeks of online discourse wherein trans women were forced to debunk the existence of “autogynephilia,”

"Debunk" it how?

Sady/Jude is a pooner (trans man/bio female) and I find this vehement defense of trans women not having AGP to be very weird--it literally has nothing to do wth her at all.

Questions:

why is it "wildly transphobic' to recognize that autogynephiia exists, since they literally talk about it all the time?

why is Sady so invested in "debunking AGP" as a pooner?
this part makes no sense to me.

Armchair psychs, come forth.

 

[dltzk]

Ex troon and /lgbt/ browser, it’s probably already been heavily discussed why people identifying as trans in this thread but I would like to give insight as to why I am no longer trans. Literally all I did was quit watching porn, and just like that, the feelings stopped after 2 weeks, no joke. Feelings I had since I was 12 disappeared just like that, all because I simply quit watching porn. I didn’t have any sick twisted fetish like diaper shit or anything like that, I don’t think I was that heavily addicted.

Another thing that grossed me out, especially when browsing /lgbt/ was the amount of people into race play fetishes, and other sick fetishes (shit like diapers as previously mentioned). Even when I was addicted to porn I knew that shit was fucking gross. I also notice a lot of trans people (most notably the MtFs) would have insane ego’s, I have played a lot of competitive video games with these people and they just get so insanely angry at you for little mistakes you make. I have a MtF classmate who has an insane ego issue because she was top of our class. That’s the thing I hate the most about these people, their ego. I still support the gays and trans but fuck man, it’s so hard to with all their bullshit.

 

[Sandshrew]

Ex troon and /lgbt/ browser, it’s probably already been heavily discussed why people identifying as trans in this thread but I would like to give insight as to why I am no longer trans. Literally all I did was quit watching porn, and just like that, the feelings stopped after 2 weeks, no joke. Feelings I had since I was 12 disappeared just like that, all because I simply quit watching porn. I didn’t have any sick twisted fetish like diaper shit or anything like that, I don’t think I was that heavily addicted.

Another thing that grossed me out, especially when browsing /lgbt/ was the amount of people into race play fetishes, and other sick fetishes (shit like diapers as previously mentioned). Even when I was addicted to porn I knew that shit was fucking gross. I also notice a lot of trans people (most notably the MtFs) would have insane ego’s, I have played a lot of competitive video games with these people and they just get so insanely angry at you for little mistakes you make. I have a MtF classmate who has an insane ego issue because she was top of our class. That’s the thing I hate the most about these people, their ego. I still support the gays and trans but fuck man, it’s so hard to with all their bullshit.

I'm proud of you for overcoming your addiction and dysphoria. I definitely don't think all troons are into depraved shit, but I would say it's a huge percentage. I'm glad you never got into gross shit.

I also remember reading somewhere, although I don't have the link anymore, that Cluster B personality disorders (Narcissistic Personality Disorder, Borderline Personality Disorder, etc) are super common in transgender people, which makes sense given the way they act. Who else relies that heavily on outside validation and controlling how people speak, in order to feel good about themselves?

I support gays as I am one, but I don't support transpeople unless they're willing to seek out help for their underlying mental issues. And by that, I mean serious medication and therapy, not just mutilating their body right away. But by that point, anyone at that part of their healing probably wouldn't want to be trans anymore anyway.

 

[Izdaja Slika]

This isn't specifically trans madness, yet it is definitely a result of the 'nobody is entitled to single-sex spaces' that is central to trans ideology

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cg5qd9l3094o

'We put the pressure on to join Men in Sheds'​

It started out as a gathering to reduce loneliness and combat social isolation among elderly men.

Now there are more than 1,000 Men in Sheds projects running across the country, where members get together, talk and learn new skills.

But while many are aimed exclusively at men, one group in Loughborough, Leicestershire, has taken the decision to admit women and members' wives.

Member Brenda Needham said: "I kept asking my husband all the while 'why can't we join?'"

Because it's a single sex club you nitwit and you do not qualify.

The 74-year-old added: "Eventually they let us in, just one morning, eventually it became all the time, and now it's 50% women, and we absolutely love it."

Yes, colonisers usually do 'absolutely love it'.

The group, which has been renamed Men and Women in Sheds - Charnwood, now has 80 paid-up members.

It allows them to learn new skills, such as repairing and refurbishing furniture and other household items, which would otherwise be sent to landfill.

The group then sells the items, with £800 being made at a recent farmers and crafts market.

Karen Arme, 64, believes joining the group has helped improve her mental health and said she was never interested in what were seen as traditional female skills.

She said: "Not everybody likes sewing and baking.

Then start your own club that does things you are interested in, instead of colonising a club for which you do not qualify.

"I think the men maybe were a little concerned at the beginning because maybe they came here to get away from their wives and were worried we were going to take over.

"But we haven't done that, we work well together."

Um, no, you did exactly that.

When the women were allowed into the workshop, members decided to keep a quiet room with a model railway display in it, just for men.

Wait until a woman clamours that she wants to look at the model railway, too.

Andrew McNerney, 70, admitted there was initially some resistance to becoming a mixed group.

He said: "There was apprehension, but in all honesty, it's turned out well.

"We [the men] escape now and again [to the quiet room] and have a chat and weigh things up."

In other words, the colonised have now fled to a smaller, less hospitable, but mercifully still-segregated space to escape the women they invited in. God, I flip between genuine pity and 'you invited your own subjugation and I do not pity you though you are pitiable'.

But he added: "It's a lovely atmosphere, and it's been good."

Tony Donovan, executive director of Age UK Leicester Shire & Rutland, which runs the project, said: "Everyone has a story to tell about what life was like before they came [here], and in many cases it wasn't great.

"It's a brilliant, brilliant project, and we are incredibly proud of it."

 

[Josef Fritzl]

Don't A-Log trannies. You'll only be seen as a repressed tranny.

 

[Doktor Grimm]

Ex troon and /lgbt/ browser, it’s probably already been heavily discussed why people identifying as trans in this thread but I would like to give insight as to why I am no longer trans. Literally all I did was quit watching porn, and just like that, the feelings stopped after 2 weeks, no joke. Feelings I had since I was 12 disappeared just like that, all because I simply quit watching porn. I didn’t have any sick twisted fetish like diaper shit or anything like that, I don’t think I was that heavily addicted.

Where'd those feelings come from in the first place, if you don't mind the question?

 

[dltzk]

Where'd those feelings come from in the first place, if you don't mind the question?

Around 2 years ago I saw a repressed memory from when I was around 4. I don't know if its a false memory from a dream, but I think it actually happened considering everything I think nowadays. I really don't want to go into the specifics at all as its embarrassing, but I'm sure I'm already making it obvious as to what happens in this memory. I believe that experience to have caused everything I felt from when I was 12 to 19.

 

[unctuous mouthfeel]

I cannot quote reply right now, probably because I'm retarded but in reply to GenderCop:

My guess is because AGP is just a fetish, it is neither a matter of life or death if its indulged, there's no justification in the eyes of normies for transing children, and no justification for having a biological male whomp a woman's ass at competitive savate fighting or whatever.

As to why a pooner is going to bat for that, it's A) because AAP also exists and B) Sadly Doyle exists as a propaganda vessel for her husband whose name I can't remember but is AGP incarnate

 

[Nigger Respecter]

why is it "wildly transphobic' to recognize that autogynephiia exists, since they literally talk about it all the time?

Because no one is allowed to say it exists without then adding a bunch of disclaimers that are like, "don't worry, we're still very pro-trans and will not deny anyone's existence" etc. It's why leftist memes are famously so wordy. You can't just make a quick statement, whether it's true or not. You have to couch it with a bunch of more information to let people know you're one of the good guys

 

[Anasa Tristis]

In other words, the colonised have now fled to a smaller, less hospitable, but mercifully still-segregated space to escape the women they invited in. God, I flip between genuine pity and 'you invited your own subjugation and I do not pity you though you are pitiable'.

They can’t be blamed. Men have had to move over and make room for women (and retreat to smaller quarters) since the 1970s. Thankfully one positive thing the trans menace has done was to shed light on the value and necessity for sex exclusive spaces and having permission to say “No, you don’t belong here and we’re not sorry about it.”

Hopefully that discriminatory sentiment will grow.

 

[Kujo Jotaro]

Don't coddle pooners, they're fetishistic freaks just as much as troons. Just because their gooning isn't as blatant isn't evidence that they're not gooners. It's a recurrent theme within Pooner subreddits for them to admit that they pooned out because of man on man fanfictions/online stories. They then attempt to larp as gay men,(no fags, I don't feel bad for you) just like troons try to larp as lesbians(no dykes, I don't feel bad for you). Their identities are molded around porn fantasies, wake tf up they are gooners.

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

Don't coddle pooners, they're fetishistic freaks just as much as troons. Just because their gooning isn't as blatant isn't evidence that they're not gooners. It's a recurrent theme within Pooner subreddits for them to admit that they pooned out because of man on man fanfictions/online stories. They then attempt to larp as gay men,(no fags, I don't feel bad for you) just like troons try to larp as lesbians(no dykes, I don't feel bad for you). Their identities are molded around porn fantasies, wake tf up they are gooners.

Gooners and groomers- far more pooner than trooners work in jobs with direct access to kids (pink collar, go figure). And they absolutely use their bully pulpit to steer kids into degeneracy and self-destruction- most well-known example is Lindsay Amer, but just in what I have personally documented in various threads here, there are dozens upon dozens of less media-prominent examples.

 

[2mm and 99 others]

We put the pressure on to join Men in Sheds

I understand not having a place to socialize around ones hobby must be isolating and sad, when it does physically exist right there, just not for you. Ngl, that image sucks so hard and to remind you, there are just not that many like-minded women to easily crowdfund a big hobby workshop project, not in smaller towns. But...when they named it 'Men in sheds' and not, say, Wood lovers or Woodturning club, I'd guess the main conversation topic in there was "I hate my wife", "My wife is a stupid cunt and should die already, here is some cake she baked btw", and "Good thing I have some rest from stupid wife." and that's not quite compatible with another women's presence there. And the woodwork is just something they gather around, cos it looks useful in the eyes of wife, unlike ordinary alcoholism and ball game watching.
Sorry if I have some misconceptions about boomer social life, but their humor made me think it goes just like this.

I just watch this from my little europoor country and find quite strange, that such a thing as a quite large shared workshop network exists somewhere as a specifically men's place, like, not for everyone who pays and follows the rules.

 

[Stan]

I know I got into trouble doing this before with a (((certain photo))) but the easiest way for real women to mog trannies is to remind them that you just roll out of bed looking like this, butchmaxxing your way to social recognition of your genuine femininity and female sex. E.g. "oh, my eyebrows? No, I don't pluck or trim them. My legs? I don't shave those in winter. Hairstyle? I just put it up in a low pony and get on with my day. Or a braid if I'm feeling fancy? So long as I shower it's fine. Makeup just looks weird on me."
Reminding them that you're born with it and can even neglect it and still be women when they are still men makes them MAD.

 

[Idiot Sandwich the 3rd]

I know I got into trouble doing this before with a (((certain photo))) but the easiest way for real women to mog trannies is to remind them that you just roll out of bed looking like this, butchmaxxing your way to social recognition of your genuine femininity and female sex. E.g. "oh, my eyebrows? No, I don't pluck or trim them. My legs? I don't shave those in winter. Hairstyle? I just put it up in a low pony and get on with my day. Or a braid if I'm feeling fancy? So long as I shower it's fine. Makeup just looks weird on me."
Reminding them that you're born with it and can even neglect it and still be women when they are still men makes them MAD.

There's nothing trannies hate more than Butch women. They demonstrate that so called "womanhood" is not about performing femininity. They get mad that women dont even try to be women and yet they're more woman than them, men who spend all this time and money on growing their hair and buying skirts.
I wonder if thats why they try to groom gender non conforming women into being pooners

 

[Izdaja Slika]

I understand not having a place to socialize around ones hobby must be isolating and sad, when it does physically exist right there, just not for you. Ngl, that image sucks so hard and to remind you, there are just not that many like-minded women to easily crowdfund a big hobby workshop project, not in smaller towns. But...when they named it 'Men in sheds' and not, say, Wood lovers or Woodturning club, I'd guess the main conversation topic in there was "I hate my wife", "My wife is a stupid cunt and should die already, here is some cake she baked btw", and "Good thing I have some rest from stupid wife." and that's not quite compatible with another women's presence there. And the woodwork is just something they gather around, cos it looks useful in the eyes of wife, unlike ordinary alcoholism and ball game watching.
Sorry if I have some misconceptions about boomer social life, but their humor made me think it goes just like this.

I just watch this from my little europoor country and find quite strange, that such a thing as a quite large shared workshop network exists somewhere as a specifically men's place, like, not for everyone who pays and follows the rules.

Men have the moral right of free association. They can decide to get together and exclude women for any reason or no reason at all.

I also doubt they are there only to badmouth their wives, or that that even happens in any appreciable degree, though if that happened that would also be a good reason to exclude women. Sometimes men need to say something where there is no woman around to hear him. Women also gather together, excluding men, very often in the form of 'girls weekends' where husbands are not invited. Good for them.

But if there aren't enough like-minded women for a woman to form her own female-only woodworking club, that doesn't mean men must give up their own spaces. A friend of mine is an organiser in the men's social club of his church. There is also a women's social club. When the men got together, and planned a lunch followed by an indoor rockclimbing session, some of the women in the women's social club got wind of this and kvetched that the women's club never did anything like that. As if the men doing it somehow stopped the women from doing it.

 

[Valstrax]

Needed a place to talk about this screenshot here, which kinda counts since it's genderspecial bullshit all the way down.

It's less that neopronouns are hard but that YOU want EVERYONE ELSE to follow what YOU want. I'm not going to call you "fag/fagself" just because you said so, and he/she/they aren't neopronouns just because you said so. It's not that I don't know any second languages, you're just a fucking faggot.

Not to mention the blog I got this screenshot from compared "not wanting to use/not understanding neopronouns" to Anglocentrism.

 

[Nigger Respecter]

Everyone that is introduced to the concept of neopronouns understands them completely, they just also understand that the kind of person who uses them are fucking weirdos who are at risk of freaking out for not following their unusual request

Stuff like neopronouns don’t exist in a vacuum. Someone that prefers xyr/xyrself has a bunch of other weird shit they expect out of everyone else and no one has time or energy for it

Think of a guy named Glenn that demands you refer to him as Sir Glenn every time you talk about him. Putting the Sir aside you know this guy’s got other bullshit going on you want nothing to do with

 

[Meat Target]

why is it "wildly transphobic' to recognize that autogynephiia exists, since they literally talk about it all the time?

This is a great example of what Michael Michael Anton calls the Celebration Parallax: "the same fact pattern is either true and glorious or false and scurrilous depending on who states it.”

 

[Bloo]

Why do so many of them use the word “folks”? I know it’s a gender neutral term but so is “people” They specifically love the word “folks”