Off-Topic Random Trans Thoughts, Musings, and Questions - For all your armchair psych and general sperging

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Hate would be something born in part by a fear or pain, and that might demand some kind of "respect for the enemy".
It's part of the brainwashing. "Hate" paints their opponents as cartoon villain evil or retardedly stupid. There is no reasoning for the "hate" and the ones practicing it deserve of sympathy. Just another tool of manipulation.
Are pooners rarer, harder to clock, or is it just me? IMO, MTFs more garish and attention-seeking, and it's easier for women to look masculine than for men to look feminine.
Pooners are more rare, but also less threatening. Most people don't give a shit about them. Meanwhile troons still have male-pattern criminality which makes them dangerous.
 
Women who identify as nonbinary they/them have always pissed me off in a way I can't quite put my finger on.

It's a super low effort pass to trying to force people to pay attention to them. Trans at least you normally associate it with some kind of effort to "pass" (even if not all of them actually try).

Nonbinary is literally just saying you are nonbinary and that's all. And yet, based on absolutely nothing but their shrieks of "LOOK AT ME", they expect all of humanity's knowledge of biology and the rules of the English language to be overturned for them. It's very easy to be pissed off at such blatant, idiotic entitlement.

"Look; I'm a woman, but I put on pants this morning! This makes me not a woman and SPECIAL! Here's my list of absurd demands and you'd better follow them, bigot!"
 
Stuff like neopronouns don’t exist in a vacuum. Someone that prefers xyr/xyrself has a bunch of other weird shit they expect out of everyone else and no one has time or energy for it
Conventional pronouns have centuries of cultural connotations. It’s why your brain screeches to a halt when you meet a six-foot brick with a baritone voice who everyone calls “she.” But the concept of calling a troon “she” is at least logical, if you buy the idea that a woman can be born into a male body.

Nobody has been going through life in silent agony because people didn’t call them by a pronoun they just made up.
Think of a guy named Glenn that demands you refer to him as Sir Glenn every time you talk about him. Putting the Sir aside you know this guy’s got other bullshit going on you want nothing to do with
Ugh, yeah, that fucking guy.
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Women who identify as nonbinary they/them have always pissed me off in a way I can't quite put my finger on. Full blown pooners are very annoying, but more sad and pitiable because they are so self-destructive and mentally ill. They seem to have a lot of self-hatred. With they/them women, I think it's because they are like the ultimate #NotLikeTheOtherGirls. They NLOGed so hard they don't even consider themselves girls at all. Imagine if a biracial person vehemently rejected and didn't claim one of the races they are. It's understandable that would offend members of that race, right? I think it's understandable for women, then, to be offended when other women "don't claim" them in that way. Like, what's so wrong about being a women that you don't want to identify as one? You have to wonder if they look down on women as a whole. It especially annoys me that we have to tolerate this in professional/corporate settings and pretend it's epic rather than offensive, but that goes for all tranny shit.
Am I the only one that's noticing non binary is falling out of fashion? Maybe its just me but there was a hit tweet on Twitter where someone asked "What's the most non woke take that you have" or something along those lines, and one of the quote tweets was "Non binary is a made up thing that only women who want to be special and get attention claim to be" and most replies were in agreement. (Except one user who used the cop out argument " How does this affect you?") Not to mention, I have noticed this one young woman who used to identify as non binary a year ago with they/them pronouns now moved the goal post and changed her pronouns to she/they and updated her profile to where she doesn't have the non binary flag on it. Don't get me wrong, there's still a few crazies that do want you to take their identity seriously but it feels like NB is fading out. I'm just hoping its because people are realizing how ridiculous non man and woman identities are and not moving on to other nonsense identities like "trans masculine/trans feminine"
 
Pooners are more rare, but also less threatening. Most people don't give a shit about them. Meanwhile troons still have male-pattern criminality which makes them dangerous.
Manic-style pooners or theyfabs can still getcha with bureaucracy. Workplace, school or hobby organization; moreso work and school because they have the troon shield but the maladjusted female manipulation skills and can get in with Student Life or HR.

Sadbrain pooners or pooners in a non-pozzed mileau are nonthreatening, though. I dunno; it's like some vampire vs werewolf stuff. Werewolf mauls you; vampire's gonna get you by having its Renfield lawyer call Code Enforcement on your shed.
 
my brother showed me a twitter account of a 15 year old tranny who in there bio says there in a poly relationship. is there a way to report it to the authorities and would they even do anything. also the kid in canadian dont know if that would do anything
Not your personal army, also not Google dot com.
 
I don't get how you can look at some of the thread subjects in this subforum and think that you need to flex on them.
I think it was somewhere between the weird valley girl/Barbie girl affectation, and the pretending they are better than women like me because they need to schedule more body waxing sessions, and the contempt I feel when they act like they are trapped in a makeup prison like some kind of 50's housewife stereotype, that I leaned into Total Tomboy Domination.
 
Troons on xitter keep whining about “v coding” and tbh I think it’s mostly an AGP fantasy.
You can't just drop random up coming tranny brainrot language without explaining even a little bit


Edit: I finally learned how to use google and looked it up. Why on Earth do they think putting trannies in cells with rapey men is is any different from putting these same rapey trannies with women?

Edit 2: I finally learned how to use my braincells and thought for a second. It's mostly because they're oblivious to the rates or know and don't want to make trannies look bad.
 
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You can't just drop random up coming tranny brainrot language without explaining even a little bit
My bad. V-coding is when a transwoman is put in a cell with an aggressive man as a way to calm him down. But like, isn’t male on male rape a problem in prison anyway, why is it so special when it’s a tranny? And frankly, I don’t believe this practice is nearly as common as troons make it out to be.

It’s one of the reasons TRAs cite as to why transwomen have to be put in women’s prisons.
 
My bad. V-coding is when a transwoman is put in a cell with an aggressive man as a way to calm him down. But like, isn’t male on male rape a problem in prison anyway, why is it so special when it’s a tranny? And frankly, I don’t believe this practice is nearly as common as troons make it out to be.

It’s one of the reasons TRAs cite as to why transwomen have to be put in women’s prisons.
Trannies are mostly incarcerated for sex crimes so I still don't get it. Just give them their own facility if they're constantly getting raped (that is if they aren't getting touched for touching kids, rather barely looking like women)
 
I agree that women who present outwardly as feminine and do next to nothing to make you think they're anything different who then identify as "they/them" are particularly infuriating. It very much screams "I want attention," just like the "she/theys."

I also recently met a man that is like this; he says he is a "they" but 95% of the time he is presenting outwardly as a male while the remaining 5% of the time he wears skirts and such. Like dude, you're not a "they," you're just a man who sometimes dresses in a gender non-conforming way in public and nobody cares that much.

When did we decide not fitting into a strict gender norm guideline means you're some new weird thing and that this is all so very progressive?
 
my brother showed me a twitter account of a 15 year old tranny who in there bio says there in a poly relationship. is there a way to report it to the authorities and would they even do anything. also the kid in canadian dont know if that would do anything
It might be a case of them having two underage boyfriends, or a boyfriend and a girlfriend cause they arent straight, at their school. And not a case of them "dating" some groomer they found in some rEddit group or on Discord. At least I hope so.
 
Reflecting on how Tumblr and online fandom culture sent a lot of young people down the gender pipeline, it's been at least a decade since it began and I'm sure some (like the close childhood friend I watched get slowly corrupted by the alphabet gang) have kept it up for that long, I ask myself if they're going to cling to their labels no matter what or if the culture will finally shift enough for them to wake up one day and go "what was I thinking?". Are we going to see they/thems in nursing homes? Kids raised "genderless" who grow up, never question it and go on to have troon families of their own, making it multi-generational? I'm hoping we're at a stage where people are finally getting sick of it and saying enough is enough (the recent UK decision that sex is biological and can't be identified out of certainly gives me hope), and the troons and thembies I see around will drop it after the coping and seething is done, but the way things are in my country says otherwise, most politicians don't see it as an issue even worth discussing, not even if a TIM was lifting up his dress and waving his ladypenis right in their faces.

It's a super low effort pass to trying to force people to pay attention to them. Trans at least you normally associate it with some kind of effort to "pass" (even if not all of them actually try).

Nonbinary is literally just saying you are nonbinary and that's all. And yet, based on absolutely nothing but their shrieks of "LOOK AT ME", they expect all of humanity's knowledge of biology and the rules of the English language to be overturned for them. It's very easy to be pissed off at such blatant, idiotic entitlement.

"Look; I'm a woman, but I put on pants this morning! This makes me not a woman and SPECIAL! Here's my list of absurd demands and you'd better follow them, bigot!"
Seems like almost overnight it went from a niche internet thing to common enough that some companies expect pronouns in the email signature and you're at risk of at least getting a strict talking-to from HR if you don't comply. I was already well clear of the cult by the time people started mixing pronouns too (most of the time it was "she/they", a.k.a. not like other girls) but it only served to further cement the idea of how ridiculous they are.
 
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Stuff like neopronouns don’t exist in a vacuum. Someone that prefers xyr/xyrself has a bunch of other weird shit they expect out of everyone else and no one has time or energy for it
My personal theory about neopronouns is that it's all one big misunderstanding. There were multiple attempts to come up with a gender neutral pronoun over the years specifically as a push to avoid using generic he ("when a customer arrives, greet him") and be more inclusive of women. This included ey/em, zie/hir, singular they etc., some of which were coined in the 19th century and had nothing to do with the transgender community.

The notion of there being a "non binary" identity basically seems to emerge in the 80s. To be clear, the history of the gender movement seems to involve a lot of people attempting to exist in a "neither" category although how exactly they viewed themselves is a bit more ambiguous - there's "faeries", "queens", "he-shes", "transvestites" and so on. Marsha P Johnson is a good example of this - he did not view himself as a "transsexual". As the 20th century began trying to develop a medical framework it created an idea that a person wants to go man -> woman or woman -> man, and Queer Theory began questioning the notion of gender itself. So you then get some of these people kicking off;
The essence of transsexualism is the act of passing. A transsexual who passes is obeying the Derridean imperative: "Genres are not to be mixed. I will not mix genres." [51] I could not ask a transsexual for anything more inconceivable than to forgo passing, to be consciously "read", to read oneself aloud--and by this troubling and productive reading, to begin to write oneself into the discourses by which one has been written--in effect, then, to become a [look out-- dare I say it again?] posttranssexual
"The Empire Strikes Back: A Posttranssexual Manifesto" published 1987 (mostly in response to "The Transsexual Empire" by Janice Raymond). The first time a specific term for this phenomenon seems to emerge is early 1995, in the Zine In Your Face: Political Activism Against Gender Oppression, that was circulated in the San Francisco area
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But the thing that really kicked it off was the internet. In the early 90s there was an online community called LambdaMOO, which was basically like a text based Second Life.
One of the truly wonderful things about cyberspace is that it hasn't been around long enough to fall utter prey to the two-gender system; the lack of physical cues available in cyberspace makes falling into that system actually difficult to do online. Since there aren't any true physical cues, one would have to go to an awful lot of trouble to put them there virtually. For almost a year and a half now, I've lived in Virtual Reality (Text-based, on the Internet--- LambdaMOO and other MOOs) as an Irving, which is another choice in gender. There are several choices in gender available on the MOO, but I chose Irving because it was a new one... my gender pronouns are "e" (subjective), "em" (objective) and "eir" (possessive). It was a hard fight, I admit, to get established-even in such a flexible, virtual reality, there's still resistance among the populace against others' genders not being at all obvious. Recently, I've begun living in real life (among friends and family) as lrving-1 ask them to use the pronouns; language, I know, enforces reality to a measurable extent. Perhaps some time in the future, I will fight for a right to use Irving as a legal gender, though I realize that my odds will be very poor, given the present legal state of gender in the United States. My question is: Why bother?
- My Gender Workbook, 1997. Here's an example chat;
TomCat: Hi! Are you m or f?
Kachoo: laughing delightedly Well, what would you be looking for?
TomCat: Female! I'm a real guy.
Kachoo: purring I like to think any of us can be anything in this space.
TomCat: Well, sure, but I'm a real guy and I like women.
Kachoo: Have you ever surfed in another gender?
TomCat: What do you mean?
Kachoo: laughing lightly I can tell from your pause that you have. Were you being a lesbian?
TomCat: Well, yeah.
Kachoo: softly And were you beautiful? All soft and curvy? Maybe hot and horny?
TomCat: breathless Uh huh
Kachoo: leaning over, whispering in your ear, leaving just a trace of lipstick Wanna be a lesbian with me just for tonite, sweet thing?
TomCat: Oh yes!
This is sort of typical of the weird way tech nerds felt about "cyberspace" and "cybersurfing" in the 90s. Interestingly, LambdaMOO is also the source of the first ever "rape in cyberspace" where a user created a program that let him make other characters do sexual things against their will, which about sums it up.
In March 1992, a character calling himself Mr. Bungle, "an oleaginous, Bisquick-faced clown dressed in cum-stained harlequin garb and girdled with a mistletoe-and-hemlock belt whose buckle bore the inscription 'KISS ME UNDER THIS, BITCH!'" appeared in the LambdaMOO living room. Creating aphantom that masquerades as another player's character is a MUD programming trick often referred to as creating a voodoo doll. The "doll" is said to possess the character, so that the character must do whatever the doll does. Bungle used such a voodoo doll to force one and then another of the room's occupants to perform sexual acts on him. Bungle's first victim in cyberspace was legba, a character described as "a Haitian trickster spirit of indeterminate gender, brown-skinned and wearing an expensive pearl gray suit, top hat, and dark glasses." Even when ejected from the room, Bungle was able to continue his sexual assaults. He forced various players to have sex with each other and then forced legba to swallow his (or her?) own pubic hair and made a character called Starsinger attack herself sexually with a knife. Finally, Bungle was immobilized by a MOO wizard who "toaded" the perpetrator (erased the character from the system).
LambdaMOO appears to have been very influential, and was using Spivak pronouns and "splat" pronouns;
LambdaMOO supports ten different genders: neuter, male, female, either, Spivak, splat, plural, egotistical, royal, and 2nd. Most users choose either neuter, male, or female, but their choices do not necessarily reflect their true gender. There is a considerable amount of cross over as there are far fewer female users as there are female characters. Some men choose to cross over because females receive more attention from other users. Others may choose to be a member of the opposite sex to see what it would be like. Many females may choose to have a male character so as to avoid harassment from male characters.
I learned about ey, eir, and em from the "Spivak" gender on LambdaMOO. Last time I was there, the genders included Male (he/his), Female (she/hers), Neuter (it/its), Spivak (ey/eirs), Egotistical (I/mine), Second-Person (you/yours), Plural (they/theirs), Royal (we/ours), and I think I left out one. I don't recall whether I actually spent any time as a Spivak, but it was nice to know the option was there.
In the 90's splat pronouns were used for some software and online spaces. LambdaMOO offered splat pronouns and Spivak pronouns for gender neutral options. Splat pronouns are unpronounceable and only meant to be used in an online context.
Subject Pronoun*e
Object Pronounh*
Possessive Determinerh*s
Possessive Pronounh*s
Reflexive Pronounh*self
but there were also UseNet groups that had started using different gender neutral pronouns;

3.4. Which GNPs are in active use on the net? Is there a standard?​

Depending on how one counts, there are between three and five active groups. The most popular seem to be "sie, hir, hir, hirs, hirself", (especially "hir"). Second, derivative forms of the above have found wide use: "zie, zir, zir, zirs, zirself". These apparently came into being after a German-speaking netizen objected to "sie" (a German word for "she" or "they"). Third and fourth, differing only in the first and maybe last word, are "e or ey, em, eir, eirs, eirself or emself". Fifth, some people use "per", from "person", which i assume has the set "per, per, pers, pers, persself", although i've never seen it developed that far. I've not actually seen this in use on the net, but i've seen people on the net who claimed to use it all the time in their own lives. These will all be discussed in detail later in the FAQ. Before this FAQ, i don't believe there were any standards agreed upon in any formal way; people have just used whatever felt right, or whatever they were first exposed to. Neologism has waxed and waned, and wheels get reinvented over and over. As mentioned, one goal of this FAQ is to standardize the forms and pronunciation of these different sets, and hopefully to get a lot of people to standardize on just one set.
That's from "Aether Lumina" circa 2000, and represents an attempt to standardise the gender neutral pronoun that gets used on the internet, specifically because some people were now considering themselves to be "genderqueer" and so only wanted to be referred to by a gender neutral pronoun. The tables on these pages would end up getting used to build out the Wikipedia page on gender neutral pronouns in around 2002, and some of these tables crop up repeatedly on "how to be inclusive" resources from the early 2000s; they have a very distinctive blue and yellow colour scheme that I personally remember seeing on printouts without attribution.
The author's intent on listing them was pretty clear - they understood there to be a group of people who wanted to be referred to by gender neutral pronouns but couldn't agree on which ones to use. So these resources would list various personal pronouns with the disclaimer that different people might relate to different pronoun sets. I'd include more pictures but the Farms is throwing errors.
This appears to have ended up getting mixed up with Otherkin communities on Tumblr, and according to this paper in 2013 the first nounself pronoun was coined. Essentially the tumblr kids had learned that lots of people use different pronouns because they "relate" to them, and therefore these pronouns represent a description of multiple different genders rather than being a catchall gender neutral term. So they started making up their own special pronouns that referred to their gender, which they were basically taking to mean their personality - this definition from 2014:
xenogender: a gender that cannot be contained by human understandings of gender; more concerned with crafting other methods of gender categorization and hierarchy such as those relating to animals, plants, or other creatures/things
Supposedly the first neopronoun/noun-pronoun coined was faeself in reference to someone who considered themselves "genderfae" although quite rapidly it became associated with random people picking it up as an alternative gender neutral pronoun, divorced from the Otherkin aspects.
I actually do think that neopronouns seem to have mostly died out but it's interesting to see how it went from attempts to make one all encompassing gender neutral pronoun to becoming a way for kids to come up with a super special unique set of pronouns.
 
Supposedly the first neopronoun/noun-pronoun coined was faeself in reference to someone who considered themselves "genderfae" although quite rapidly it became associated with random people picking it up as an alternative gender neutral pronoun, divorced from the Otherkin aspects.
I actually do think that neopronouns seem to have mostly died out but it's interesting to see how it went from attempts to make one all encompassing gender neutral pronoun to becoming a way for kids to come up with a super special unique set of pronouns.
That's why fae/faer is one of my least favourites if I had to choose the worst of the worst (tough call, they're all awful) because people forget it literally comes from a Tumblr user saying "my gender is faerie" and it's even made it as a pre-set choice on one of those "select your pronouns" fields on university applications and the like. I'd have thought even identifying as a mythical creature was a step too far for the "gender diversity" pushers, but I guess people are just picking it because they think it sounds mystical and cool and are probably the exact type of person Wizards of the Coast are marketing to with their new "inclusive" D&D material if you catch my drift.
 
So last year, I worked for a notorious Halloween store as a manager. I got to hear another transbien manager spitting out fake stats while I was doing the heavy lifting. I’m an actual woman/lesbian and not that freak pretending to be too delicate to lift a few heavy fucking boxes into a shitty storage pod. I wanted to ask them so bad if those were actual murder rates, or were they conflating suicide rates again. I’m pretty positive no one’s going out their way to beat up their gangly ass, because they poorly cross dress in public. I positive people don’t often beat up the mentally retarded for funsies anymore.
 
As I recall the stats say that trannies are actually safer than the general population. Most of the violence against them is the usual stuff, drugs, prostitution, etc.

Here we go:
In 2023, there were 35 homicides of transgender or gender-expansive people. 80% of these were with a gun. Black trans women face the bulk of this violence: in 2023, 50% of gun homicides were of Black trans women.

There were a total of 19,252 reported homicide cases in the U.S. in 2023.

So, since they're about 1% of the population then there should be 193 trans murders per year, so obviously they need to get those numbers up.
 
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