Off-Topic Random Trans Thoughts, Musings, and Questions - For all your armchair psych and general sperging

[Sandshrew]

I wonder how the trans phenomenon will be taught in history books once it's finally over, if it ever ends. I imagine pretty similarly to other outdated medical practices of the past, like bloodletting and lobotomies. I genuinely do hope that this is over sometime within my lifetime because I loathe the idea of seeing important positions being taken over by delusional xe/xem retards. I don't think they'll give up very easily on their ideology because of the sunk-cost fallacy. Or maybe they will all just 41% delete themselves once they wake up and realize how much they've fucked up their lives.

I wonder if left-wing politicians will stop catering to troons as much, seeing as how pandering to such a low percentage of the population isn't working for them anymore. And maybe that will be the beginning of the end for troons. I used to be a liberal until I peaked about the trans thing, and then slowly began questioning a lot of the other liberal ideas in general. I've since also become anti-degeneracy and anti-immigration.

 

[Sandshrew]

What really gets me is how and why someone can suddenly develop this complex about their gender, like a complex so strong that they feel the need to change it.

What could've happened for them to not accept their gender, or how come they can't relate to or understand people of their own sex? Is it a mental thing, something genetic, or something that messed with them in their life?

For me personally, as someone who had a pooner phase, my underlying reasons were because my mom didn't let me dress as masculine as I wanted and was homophobic in general, as well as the fact that I had been sexually harassed by so many creepy dudes that I thought becoming a "normal straight man" would make my life easier.

But other reasons people do it are:
- porn addiction, MTFs get super into humiliation fetish sissy hypno porn
- being super liberal and feeling guilt for being male
- being a fujoshi yaoi fan and wanting to become the boys in your favorite anime
- being a grifter in general who doesn't want to contribute to society and live off of Gofundme money
- thinking they're ugly and thinking they'd be more attractive as the opposite sex
- being raped and thinking being a different sex would prevent that type of attention

If you're already mentally ill and depressed then it's easy to seek out fast quick "fix everything" solutions and fall vulnerable to any type of scams - not only trooning out, but getting into new age hippie psychic shit can be another avenue. Because it's easier to believe that chopping your dick off or getting a tarot reading will fix your life instead of any actual meaningful hard work and change.

 

[Écho Öwl]

It sounds like the kind of book that's needed, but if it doesn't have Discord and puppygirl polycules in the index it's already out of date.

I ended up buying the ebook version, and read much of it on my current trip to terf island.

Online platforms figure prominently, but more in general form. Obviously, only so much you can read in a flight, but key risk factors are highlighted. An interesting one is having a trans kid at school—the seed of rogd.

Much of the advice, I could suggest, would be relevant in difficult crisis situations. In practicality, this isn’t the first crisis that affects adolescents negatively, nor will it be the last.

 

[Farmer Jon]

First of all I rly hope you get better of what happened to you.
re not in the right body and they have to change ?




I totally agree with these possibilities, but the porn one, I didn't understand how porn could have this impact on someone, but that is still possible even though I don't understand it.



But what about children ? It is esp them at these days that start manifesting the desire to change. Is it truly inside them or just the influence of medias or what is going on ? How could a kid feel like they'

And thank you for the explanation !

If I had to reminisce on my own experiences, it was mostly because I wanted to fit in. Looking back, I never really grew up hating my gender. Really, when I first bought into this stuff as a "nonbinary" I did it because I wanted community. I saw people my age getting to wear absolutely absurd outfits because they were under this label. You were able to have power over others and put them down because they're an awful bigot, + society and joo funded institutions would back you up.

Though it probably wasn't just that, it was also the way in which this whole movement conditions you rewrite your story. I remember being at my schools GSA club and telling everyone I was muh nonbinary and that I was "switching genders" (LOL), however I was immediately shot down by the advisors who said "Actually you were BORN nonbinary and nobody switches into a gender". That stuck with me, because I didn't actually agree with what the fuck this person was saying, but because I was so young and desperate to be "in" with the cool kids I just accepted it and started parroting that. No troon is born. Anyone who tells you they felt some way when they were young about their gender is most likely rewriting their history so they don't sound like a faker. Though it's only slightly different for troons.

From what I've read from troons self reporting and my own inferences, if they identify as such before puberty, it's most likely just peer pressure + sunk cost fallacy later on. If they identify as such post puberty it's a rationalization for AGP. It also gives them an avenue to be misogynistic to women. If a ppheeeemmooiiidd pisses you off and you doxx her, you're a horrible person. If a pheeeemmooooiid pisses you off and you doxx her as a tranny, you're just defending yourself from a TERF (wink wink). Will they hear her side? Fuck no. They wanna feel good for being on the right side of history baby! Why on Earth would they go against you?

TL;DR : Trannies almost never speak from their experience if they are mid level deep in the gender cult. They typically parrot what they hear requires someone to be "trans". Even if they slip up, they quickly get told by their congregation what to say next time so nobody questions them.

 

[TruffleSpark]

With the recent Uk ruling and various Troons and Genderspecials reeing that men could now pose as trans men to enter women’s toilets and rape, I feel that there should be a further change in the law in case of this.

If you are caught in the wrong toilet with no valid explanation (active workmen, venue staff, first aider responding to a situation, etc) then you should get five years in the clink or ankle monitored, with ten years on the sex offender registry after release or ankle monitor removed.
If you are also proven to be in the toilet for the purposes of committing a sexual crime, the sentences will be served separately.
E.g. Five years for being a creepy liar, then five years for rape, then life on sex offender registry.

The sleazy fuckers in dresses who are threatening to piss all over women’s toilets in response to this will stop pretty quickly once a couple of them are hurled into the clink or preferably have to go around with an ankle monitor.

Like with a lot of things trannies say all you can really do is point out the inconsistencies. Because beyond that their talking points are so self evidently absurd it's a waste of time to engage with them too deeply.

 

[Doublefrag]

What really gets me is how and why someone can suddenly develop this complex about their gender, like a complex so strong that they feel the need to change it.

What could've happened for them to not accept their gender, or how come they can't relate to or understand people of their own sex? Is it a mental thing, something genetic, or something that messed with them in their life?

It could do with white men being humiliated and/or neglected at every turn of their life, at least in the US. This, along with the rise of computers/phones, and thus the rise of shut-in virgin incels, leads them to see transitioning as an attractive choice since trans girls usually have a wider range of interests they're socially allowed to have, and more fulfilling romantic/sexual relationships. It beats not being able to catch up with the exponentially rising standards of masculinity.

 

[AssignedEva]

I wonder how the trans phenomenon will be taught in history books once it's finally over, if it ever ends

We can get a bit of an insight into this from existing Western literature pre-1990, or literature from cultures that are anti-woke, around "third genders";

Briefly, a berdache can be defined as a morphological male who does not fill a society's standard man's role, who has a nonmasculine character. This type of person is often stereotyped as effeminate, but a more accurate characterization is androgyny. Such a person has a clearly recognized and accepted social status, often based on a secure place in the tribal mythology. Berdaches have special ceremonial roles in many Native American religions, and important economic roles in their families. They will do at least some women's work, and mix together much of the behavior, dress, and social roles of women and men. Berdaches gain social prestige by their spiritual, intellectual, or craftwork/artistic contributions, and by their reputation for hard work and generosity. They serve a mediating function between women and men, precisely because their character is seen as distinct from either sex. They are not seen as men, yet they are not seen as women either. They occupy an alternative gender role that is a mixture of diverse elements.

The Berdache Tradition, Walter L Williams (1976)

In 1971, historian and religious scholar Alexander Ilyich Klibanov began to study the history of the Skoptsy sect, and to his surprise, he discovered several followers in Tambov, and a full-fledged active community in Rostov-on-Don. Although it was mainly composed of old people born before the revolution, they did not abandon attempts to involve young people and middle-aged people in the "ship". A special system of involving "novaki" in the sect was even developed, which was carried out by promising material rewards or inheritance. Alexander Ilyich also identified a certain scheme of involvement:

1. Preparatory stage. The initial stage was the study of the candidate's relatives and social connections, the peculiarities of his character, and, finally, his financial situation.

2. Getting to know the recruiter. This stage was allotted 2-3 years. The sectarians had nowhere to hurry, all activities were carried out with strict secrecy. During this period, the sectarians communicated with the candidate exclusively on non-religious grounds. The need to surround the recruit with attention and good deeds from the cult was especially noted.

3. Getting to know relatives. This stage, as the name suggests, consists of one main goal - to visit the recruit at home, using various pretexts for this, to further his relatives, rhythm of life, everyday life and behavior.

4. Interview. After the previous points have been completed and the recruit still wishes to join the ranks of the Skoptsy, some members of the "ship" talk to him, so to speak, testing the waters for accepting the candidate of the "fiery seal".

5. Approval of the candidate by the local leader of the sect. The name speaks for itself. If the person is ready, and by this time he has been familiar with the sect for at least five years, he is brought to the local leader - "Christ", who performs "whitening" on the recruit.

According to information received by Klibanov from local anti-religious activists, in the territory of the cities of the North Caucasus, during the 70s and 80s there were at least three large Skoptsy communities that continued to practice castration of their followers. The scientist gives a detailed description of the initiation ritual of the "novaki", which included an oath not to speak about the faith with anyone except the skoptsy, even under the fear of torture or death, not to declare this great secret. The death penalty was imposed for breaking the vows.

A paraphrasing of Alexander Klibanov's research into Skoptsy sects in the USSR (translated from Russian), 1970s-1980s

HERMAPHRODITE: It is doing justice to this vile class of beings, to place them as I do here among the commonest women, whose dress even they affect to adopt. Nothing, I think, can inspire a stronger aversion for idolatry in its moral effects, than the picture of the wretches whom I am about to describe. Could it be believed, that there is a country in the world which tolerates a set of men, whose whole life is an outrage to morality and common decency, by the ostentatious display which they continually make of the privation of the marks of their sex? This is the case in Hindoostan. Some Hindoos believe that they are really born in this state; but it is very certain that it is inflicted on themselves, as a means of subsistence for them and their children; for these Hijdgras (so these mutilated men are called) infest as vagabonds the streets and bazars, soliciting the charity of the passengers: and when they meet an European, they never fail to discover this claim to his commiseration. When they hear of the birth of a child in a family, they come and sing at the door, for which they expect their pay: if it is refused they endeavour to be revenged, and in a singular way; they climb to the roof of the house, and make water upon it. Not a Hindoo but is persuaded that this vengeance is never without its effect, that is, the speedy death of the new born child. This vindictive spirit has made them feared in some places: but their abominable depravity has caused them to be every where despised. Their debauchery is carried to that degree, that they meet together and offer themselves in the public houses of prostitution.

Frans Balthazar Solvyns writing on his encounter with the Hijra of Northern India (1810)

As for lewdness, whether it exists or not — the root of takhanuth (effeminacy) is softness and delicacy. Thus, if the individual is as we have described — showing softness and delicacy — but has no desire for women, and is weak of mind, unable to comprehend the affairs of people, foolish and simple, then he is considered among those 'without desire' (غير أولي الإربة) whom it is permitted to enter upon women (i.e., not considered a sexual threat)

Al-Tahmid's judgement on the mukhannathun (those who resemble women), Ibn 'Abd al-Barr, 11th century.

I'm more inclined to suggest the 20th century references. Anthropologists would generally acknowledge that a culture or subculture believes that there are more than two gender roles while acknowledging these people as men or women, and you'd expect the same from Historians (unless we become massively theocratic and expect moral judgements). There'll likely be neutral commentary along the lines of "that society endorsed the idea that individuals could change sex". I included the Skoptsy quote not because they were considered to be third gender exactly (they may have sort of viewed themselves as such; they thought God created humans as sexless and instilling genitals and sex differences and lust was a punishment that cut them off fro. God) but because it contains a dispassionate description of how they would groom victims into joining them and getting castrated/infibulated.

 

[The Judean People's Front]

thinking they're ugly and thinking they'd be more attractive as the opposite sex

But what about children ?

Kids aren't trans. The idea that a child could conceptualize being a male or female is ridiculous - kids are kids, and kids say crazy shit. My kindergartener tells me all the time that she's a magical pony from outer space; I'm not planning to help her socially transition.

But the young pooner I know (whose transition breaks my heart) is doing it because she's massively fat and has been robbed of a steady Father figure by her personality disordered Mom. She hates how she looks and feels unfeminine because she's very tall and like 75lbs overweight at least. Add in that she's been raised by the Internet by an absentee family and her obsession with Yaoi and voila: a pooner.

 

[Sandshrew]

First of all I rly hope you get better of what happened to you.

I totally agree with these possibilities, but the porn one, I didn't understand how porn could have this impact on someone, but that is still possible even though I don't understand it.

But what about children ? It is esp them at these days that start manifesting the desire to change. Is it truly inside them or just the influence of medias or what is going on ? How could a kid feel like they're not in the right body and they have to change ?

And thank you for the explanation !

Don't worry, I'm doing alright now after getting medication and a therapist. But thank you.

You probably don't understand the porn thing, since these people are severe porn addicts, as in, their lives revolve around porn. They follow lots of porn social media accounts, are in porn discord servers, and eventually when one fetish bores them, they move on to more extreme weirder fetishes. So if they're really into humiliation, they'd be turned on by the idea of going outside wearing clothes a female prostitute would wear, and even more turned on by people seeing them like that. Depraved fetishes like piss and diapers are pretty common among MTFs. But the porn-to-troon pipeline is primarily an MTF thing.

For me, I saw an FTM youtuber called Alex Bertie around the time I was age 12 or 13, and that's what got me into researching it for myself. I never acted on transition, but I was convinced for a lot of my teen years that I would transition. It's the early internet exposure that gets kids interested in it, especially since a lot of parents just hand iPads over to their kids without any parental controls.

 

[Spangled Drongo]

Annoying/creepy/cringeworthy troon habit I've noticed lately: TIMs calling themselves "dolls". Almost as if they're saying the quiet part out loud; they don't want to be regular everyday women but rather exaggerated, fake caricatures of them. Barbie isn't a real woman and neither is a TIM.

But other reasons people do it are:
- porn addiction, MTFs get super into humiliation fetish sissy hypno porn
- being super liberal and feeling guilt for being male
- being a fujoshi yaoi fan and wanting to become the boys in your favorite anime
- being a grifter in general who doesn't want to contribute to society and live off of Gofundme money
- thinking they're ugly and thinking they'd be more attractive as the opposite sex
- being raped and thinking being a different sex would prevent that type of attention

I'd add that when it comes to kids and teenagers, it can come down to having non-typical behaviours and interests for their sex and lacking the critical thinking to separate stereotypes from reality. Rather than knowing a girl can prefer having short hair and playing sports while still being a girl or a boy is still a boy even if he likes dresses and ballet, kids are believing they were born wrong for daring to be different. Rather than having those ideas challenged by the adults in their lives they're being told "yes, dear, you can be a boy if that's how you really feel, let's get you an appointment for puberty blockers!"

And don't even get me started on non binary - it gets even worse when anything can be a gender and labels can be mixed and matched as you see fit, and serves no real purpose other than to make those claiming the label feel like they're part of a special and unique class of people while confusing everyone else. I feel bad for kids having all these ideas shoved down their throats but if you're a grown adult identifying as any form of NB, I'll never take you seriously.

 

[Aunt Carol]

Annoying/creepy/cringeworthy troon habit I've noticed lately: TIMs calling themselves "dolls". Almost as if they're saying the quiet part out loud; they don't want to be regular everyday women but rather exaggerated, fake caricatures of them. Barbie isn't a real woman and neither is a TIM.

I wish the Internet were useful again, but isn't "doll" an old, old slang term? Like, black/gay/drag 1980s old, and then I remember Tranchero Kevin and his ilk using it a few years back.

I bet it was on Drag Race or something and that's how the spicy straights and the cargo cult queers know about it.

 

[Twix Eatr]

https://x.com/WomenReadWomen/status/1503057148196319236

Anybody with very basic video editing skills want to edit in something at the end of this for us? Just a generic patient intake form, but zoomed in on "Gender" and just have a pen stroke finishing up writing "Weirdo with AGP" or something.

 

[Tragi-Chan]

The unfairness of men in Women's sports

The need for the acknowlegement of sex in a medical and reasearch settings (M/F heart differences including different heart attack symptoms [ a trans"woman" will never have female heart attack symptoms]: males and females retain male and female patterns of criminality, respectively, even after transition. Meaning TIMs retain male patterns of criminality and motivation motivations when they commit crimes; and trans"woman" will never need to be screened for ovarian cancer.)

This is the kind of thing I use. Difficult but not hostile questions, points that are hard to disagree with. Other good ones are women’s prisons and “I just don’t understand what it is that they’re saying is the opposite sex - is it the brain structure or what?”

The weird overreaction the trans community has to JKR ( "I know she said some tasteless things here and there, but sending her death threats over some mean tweets on twitter seems like a bit much.")

Compare it to the reaction to Neil Gaiman, who is a full-on rapist and doesn’t get the level of hate.

Most people are actually against transitioning kids if they feel that they're safe to express so.

Yeah, I think an important thing is to give people a safe space. That if they say they don’t think a three-year-old can be trans, you won’t cancel them for it. When people feel safe, most of them will admit that at the very least, the extremes of trans ideology are troubling.

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

I wish the Internet were useful again, but isn't "doll" an old, old slang term? Like, black/gay/drag 1980s old, and then I remember Tranchero Kevin and his ilk using it a few years back.

I bet it was on Drag Race or something and that's how the spicy straights and the cargo cult queers know about it.

Like the New York Dolls:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Dolls

 

[Aunt Carol]

Like the New York Dolls:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Dolls

I wondered about that and checked, but their Wiki entry says they named themselves after a doll hospital across the street. Parallel evolution, or the sanitized version of the story?

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

I wondered about that and checked, but their Wiki entry says they named themselves after a doll hospital across the street. Parallel evolution, or the sanitized version of the story?

I can't cite a source because it was an unknown music magazine like 20 years ago but I remember Morrissey claiming they were some kind of gender liberationists. And I remember them being mentioned alongside other avatars of androgyny in that context.

 

[Aunt Carol]

I can't cite a source because it was an unknown music magazine like 20 years ago but I remember Morrissey claiming they were some kind of gender liberationists. And I remember them being mentioned alongside other avatars of androgyny in that context.

I'd totally believe that; like I said, dressing like that a stone's throw from Warhol and "ballroom" culture is why I went to check my assumption. Maybe this is a "Tarder Sauce" situation.

 

[FinnSven]

I can't cite a source because it was an unknown music magazine like 20 years ago but I remember Morrissey claiming they were some kind of gender liberationists. And I remember them being mentioned alongside other avatars of androgyny in that context.

With all respect, what the fuck would Morrissey know about it?

He was a strange creepy guy on the edges of the Manchester music scene in the 80s that no one then believed would become famous.

He really wouldn’t have had his finger on the pulse of the avant-garde rock scene in 70s New York.

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

With all respect, what the fuck would Morrissey know about it?

He was a strange creepy guy on the edges of the Manchester music scene in the 80s that no one then believed would become famous.

He really wouldn’t have had his finger on the pulse of the avant-garde rock scene in 70s New York.

He is a huge fan and promoter of them and they record on his personal label.

 

[FinnSven]

He is a huge fan and promoter of them and they record on his personal label.

Is it possible in that case that they just tell him what he wants to hear so that he leaves the recording studio and stops creeping them out?