Off-Topic Random Trans Thoughts, Musings, and Questions - For all your armchair psych and general sperging

[MongInTheMirror]

This question doesn't only pertain to troons, but also their orbiters: why are they so incapable of understanding that the impression of consensus they've built up through obsessive censorship of discourse is just that - an impression, and not a reality??

Prompted by the following reddit comment under a post about Nicola Sturgeon caterwauling about the UK Supreme Court ruling:



Why the fuck do these absolute retards think that JK Rowling has single-handedly brought about this political pendulum swing? Their laser focus on her, specifically, as the source of all this is just fascinating and bizarre. It's like they think she is literally magic and has been hard at work casting some kind of mind control spell over British legislators and the public to make them hate troons, rather than considering the possibility that she actually reflects a public consensus that was already there underneath their attempts to suppress it.

Is it just cope, or do they actually believe this? Do they just not want to admit to themselves that a combo of institutional capture and their own histrionics was all they ever had, and now that the first of those is weakening they know the whole house of cards is doomed? Is it sunk cost fallacy??

They just often seem so invested in making this Rowling's personal doing, when she's really just saying what most people think to themselves but can't risk verbalizing.

 

[Écho Öwl]

It's like they think she is literally magic and has been hard at work casting some kind of mind control spell over British legislators and the public to make them hate troons, rather than considering the possibility that she actually reflects a public consensus that was already there underneath their attempts to suppress it.

Heaven forbid that they learn that the public’s view of them is shaped by their continual footgun that exemplifies their behaviour and beliefs.

 

[Arbiter]

Why does trooning out seem to go hand in hand with balding? Think of your typical AGP troon, I bet the image you conjure includes balding at an early age. What is with that? I am starting to believe the old wives' tale that masturbation makes you go bald is actually true. Maybe the constant gooning messes with their hormones. Also, I've noticed balding seems to be the flashpoint for a lot of troons to start their transition. I've seen many posts about how they noticed themselves starting to bald and that's what "cracked" them. They seem to think along the lines of "Holy fuck I'm balding. You know who doesn't go bald? Women. If I turn myself into a woman, that will fix everything". So stupid that they think HRT will bring their hair back, and that the would rather do that than use some fucking Rogaine or whatever, but it's pointless to try to rationalize their behavior.

 

[Hard Right Cross-Claim]

Why does trooning out seem to go hand in hand with balding? Think of your typical AGP troon, I bet the image you conjure includes balding at an early age. What is with that? I am starting to believe the old wives' tale that masturbation makes you go bald is actually true. Maybe the constant gooning messes with their hormones. Also, I've noticed balding seems to be the flashpoint for a lot of troons to start their transition. I've seen many posts about how they noticed themselves starting to bald and that's what "cracked" them. They seem to think along the lines of "Holy fuck I'm balding. You know who doesn't go bald? Women. If I turn myself into a woman, that will fix everything". So stupid that they think HRT will bring their hair back, and that the would rather do that than use some fucking Rogaine or whatever, but it's pointless to try to rationalize their behavior.

Hormones and poor grooming go hand in hand with early balding

 

[Aunt Carol]

She doesn't agree with trans stuff or have many body image hangups but she struggles socially a lot since her personality and interests clash with most other women. She's autistic. This person claims to have always had a feeling of "being more like a boy in a way" since childhood and strongly considered transitioning once she knew about it, so it's sort of a miracle that she didn't end up going for it, especially as a zoomer. I think she still has issues about it although she wouldn't pursue transition.

There are a million roads to the trans phenomenon, but this is a classic one. Little autist trying to deal with the childhood realization of "male as default." She was a girl who felt like just a standard human, but because of social norms (insert much more theory here) she started to realize "standard human" is "male human" and that's not the kind she is.

The difference is that female weirdos and autists like five years younger than that are falling into the pooner pipeline, because the bulk of the available narratives that start out like that end up with the author deciding they're FtM, or nonbinary if they're lucky. It happens to the only slightly mal-adjusted girls, too, pathologizing a cringy NLOG phase they'd grow past into the roach motel of gender ideology.

Not blaming All Men or the Patriarchy, just noting that this is a phenomenon that happens and keeps happening.

 

[EllenDrawsRapeOfHerHaters]

I don't see why they like telling people they're trans/grooming. Do they have transformation or bimbofication fetishes?

 

[rapecel]

Why do pooners decide to go by two male names? Some of you might have noticed that pattern.

 

[Idiot Sandwich the 3rd]

Why do pooners decide to go by two male names? Some of you might have noticed that pattern.

My theory is that since they're choosing what to be called. Just like with genders they can choose from a lot of them and if they can't choose between two or more names they will have both

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

Why do pooners decide to go by two male names? Some of you might have noticed that pattern.

Troons do it too. Lilith Chloe Sarah Jane Troonerberg. It's because both troons and poons are clueless narcissists.

 

[Stan]

I know it’s common for trannies & pooners to be compared to gays and lesbians. They even invite that comparison by using LGBTQIA as an umbrella identity that covers basically anything that isn’t cis heterosexual. But I think that comparison is flawed.

A gay man/lesbian is attracted to the same sex. Troons want to be the opposite sex. Those identities aren’t at all alike, one is about whom you’re attracted to and the other is about who you are.

Additionally it’s reasonable and plausible for a man to say he’s into men; that’s something he can act on. but it’s nonsense and contra factual for a man to say he is a woman, because he’s not and can never become one, he can at best make himself look like a woman, but looking like =\= being. (Pyrite isn’t gold even if it sort of looks like it, is it?)

A troon may as well assert that he’s a cat or a god; those would be equally impossible transition goals. Being attracted to the same sex is a true statement, and it points outward: gay people don’t get a bunch of plastic surgery or have to change their appearance to “be gay” the way troons have to in order to “be women” (yeah there are trenders who don’t do this much… they’re just even more brainrotted ‘nough said.)

Anyway I know there’s a lot of comparison, not least because troons are following a civil right litigation roadmap that was come up with by gays. But I think they’re a distinct group of people and their ideology is fundamentally flawed because they basically have to assert they are something they’re not and get super touchy if anyone points out the 1000x ways they aren’t and can’t be.

 

[Nigger Respecter]

A troon may as well assert that he’s a cat or a god; those would be equally impossible transition goals. Being attracted to the same sex is a true statement, and it points outward: gay people don’t get a bunch of plastic surgery or have to change their appearance to “be gay” the way troons have to in order to “be women” (yeah there are trenders who don’t do this much… they’re just even more brainrotted ‘nough said.)

Gay people don’t need other people to believe they’re gay. They just are gay. Troons need other people to believe they’re the opposite sex. The entire ideology is based around that. It’d be like if gay guys were fucking other men but demanding that everyone call them straight. The twisting of the language is key for them

 

[The Morning Visitor]

Why the fuck do these absolute retards think that JK Rowling has single-handedly brought about this political pendulum swing? Their laser focus on her, specifically, as the source of all this is just fascinating and bizarre. It's like they think she is literally magic and has been hard at work casting some kind of mind control spell over British legislators and the public to make them hate troons, rather than considering the possibility that she actually reflects a public consensus that was already there underneath their attempts to suppress it.

Is it just cope, or do they actually believe this? Do they just not want to admit to themselves that a combo of institutional capture and their own histrionics was all they ever had, and now that the first of those is weakening they know the whole house of cards is doomed? Is it sunk cost fallacy??

It's cope. The alternative answer is admitting that everyone secretly hates them and that they only "allyship" they ever had was the result of a decade-long browbeating campaign; that they're the Cardassians torturing the pious and benevolent starship captain into saying "there are five lights" when there's clearly only four lights and everyone knows it.

 

[Windows XP Home Edition]

I think a lot of gay men who are deep into trans activism and gender ideology are not into it simply because of misogyny but because these gay men feel a sort of misguided pity for trans people. I get the sense that quite a few gay guys still see the majority of transwomen as "lost" gays needing to be rescued and protected. Many gay men were bullied for being effeminate and sensitive boys as children and have sometimes felt uncomfortable with not conforming to societal standards for males, thus they can see themselves in MTFs.

Do I think misogyny plays a role? Definitely. Many gay male TRAs are especially nasty and ruthless towards women who don't agree with them online. In contrast, most of the young gay men I know who are deep into the trans nonsense in real life are gentle, empathetic individuals with very low-self esteem and self-worth who simply want to fit in. And they'd let others walk all over them for woke points and maintain social standing in the "queer community". It's a sort of "destructive" form of empathy if you want to call it that.

 

[Deer Warts]

Gay people don’t need other people to believe they’re gay. They just are gay. Troons need other people to believe they’re the opposite sex. The entire ideology is based around that.

What is going to happen next?

Man troons out. Wife is chill/accepting about it. But what now?

I have a suspicion dressing up like a woman is not going to be enough. He will need validation. Not from his wife, his colleagues or his tranny and non-tranny friends. That's low-hanging fruit and it's not going to be enough, is it? He's going to want -- to need -- to date. Right? Isn't that his inevitable next step?

I am trying to envision a scenario where the marriage remains intact. Wouldn't even the most accepting wife have a hard time with their "wife" in constant, desperate pursuit of a validation she is explicitly deemed incapable of providing?

I care about both of these people, and I'm worried about what the future holds for them. Can anyone offer a ray of hope?

 

[Arbiter]

I am trying to envision a scenario where the marriage remains intact.

I don't even understand how any of them get past the beginnings of transition. Your husband essentially goes "ok honey, I'm going to make myself as hideous and off-putting as possible and also probably impotent" and there are wives who claim they are still attracted??? Even if the wife is supposedly bisexual, troons are just so gross I can't believe it. They don't turn into women, they just turn into really unattractive men. Gelatinous, skirt-wearing men with tubular gyno moobs, broken dick, and ratty hair. The sex life has to be gone, even in those marriages that stay together and claim to be happy.

 

[Meth Reindeer]

I am trying to envision a scenario where the marriage remains intact. Wouldn't even the most accepting wife have a hard time with their "wife" in constant, desperate pursuit of a validation she is explicitly deemed incapable of providing?

This feels like bait for a MATI rant about Polyamory.

 

[Indigo Plateau]

Some people are impressionable. Some people are teachable. I'd argue that men are more likely to be the former, while women are more likely to take into account the fact that they were raised to be the latter.

To be impressionable is to learn without even engaging with the subject matter, without any clear intent to learn, humility, critical thought, or rationality.

To be teachable is to both accept what you're told and apply a simple chain of logic behind it, even if the bit of knowledge is contrary to your own intuition, the habits of some "people," or your past habits.

To be teachable is to accept that, at least in the context of formal language, it's possible to use a word wrong, and hearing a bunch of other people say "misCHEVious" doesn't make it correct – that's literally acting on hearsay.

To be teachable is to try to seek out expert advice, written or verbal, and follow it with common sense, but not with rebellion – to use a recipe book, to follow a doctor's orders, to obey the law even if you are unlikely to cause harm or be caught, to read the instruction manual of a new device, to take lessons and learn sheet music instead of listening to some friend who tells you that putting your fingers here gives you seven nation army...

To be teachable is to know that deviance and innovation are distinct concepts. Your different ways may not even be original – unintentional plagiarism.

Consider all the habits that men are known for in the context of domestic life, basic hygiene, etc., that may go against what a mother considers right.

• Using pants instead of a paper or cloth towel to dry hands
• Foregoing underwear or socks
• Treating ground/floor, can/may, please/want, got/have, etc., as synonyms
• Staying sanitary via copious disinfectant use, but not making much of an effort to avoid making messes to begin with
• Chewing with mouth open in private spaces at least
• The floordrobe – who needs a closet when you got the floordrobe?! It's simple! There's the clean clothes pile to the left, the dirty clothes pile behind you, and the semi-clean pile for jeans that have yet to be stained!
• Shampoo plus conditioner, "blates"/pasta bowls as the sporks of dishes, office chairs in front of the television, a gaming PC used for all sorts of business, and desk full of odd unsorted junk.
• Mattress on the floor.

These habits are easy to come up with, and I'm sure many men have come up with them independently, or alternatively observed other young men with these habits. But here's the thing. They weren't TAUGHT that. Not by a parent, nor a home ec teacher, or a therapist, book, instructional video, etc.

And the last unoriginal deviation on this list says a lot.

Sure, a mattress on a floor does the job. Sure, you might not be able to afford a bed, or you might move around a lot. Sure, you might not mind sleeping on a floor mattress. Sure, you may have other priorities like a faster graphics card for your computer. Sure, you can justify it after doing research and finding that Japan has a long history of floor beds.

But you should humble yourself and consider why a western bed frame might be superior:

1. Bed frames touch the floor at only a few points (the legs), meaning that flightless insects will have a harder time crawling on the bed.

2. Bed frames can act as a shock absorber, in conjunction with a box spring, and balance your weight more easily.

3. Bed frames really aren't that expensive – a basic metal bed frame can cost maybe $50.

4. Since bed frames elevate the mattress and box spring (which is admittedly on the way out), they allow air to circulate underneath, preventing the growth of insidious strains of bacteria and mold when moisture would otherwise be trapped.

5. Bed frames can arguably prolong the life of a mattress, which might cost more than even a wooden bed frame.

6. A bed frame with a headboard is traditional – it shows you are situationally aware, want your bedroom to look like a bedroom, etc.

7. The elevation a bed frame provides can make entering and exiting the bed easier – important if you have a sore back. It's a comfortable height to sit down, then lie down on.

8. If you're Christian, the bed frame is a great place to rest your arms when on your knees, praying at the foot of the bed.

Doesn't a teachable mindset pay off?

Anyway, I sometimes wonder if the impressionable vs. teachable dichotomy explains a lot of behavior from mtfs. Let's leave it at that.

 

[Deer Warts]

This feels like bait for a MATI rant about Polyamory.

Hey there; always nice to meet a fellow deer avatar. Not sure if you're making a general comment on the scenario or implying that my post is a bait post? I wish it was. The people in question are close to me and the situation is causing me a great deal of personal anguish. It's left me in a weird limbo where I can't talk to anyone about it in real life and there's a non-zero chance they'll stumble over anything I post online, even (perhaps especially) here.

I know the Farms is not my therapist but I came to this thread to get other people's takes on what the transition of a partner does to the marriage, perhaps from personal experience or observing others go through it.

 

[The Morning Visitor]

I'd argue that men are more likely to be the former, while women are more likely to take into account the fact that they were raised to be the latter.

To be impressionable is to learn without even engaging with the subject matter, without any clear intent to learn, humility, critical thought, or rationality.

The rest of your elaboration about men drying their hands on their pants, being okay with a floor mattress and throwing their clothes on the ground is interesting and somewhat accurate for bachelor life, but I disagree with your definition of impressionability and every one of these qualities being applied to male thinking.

Men are less likely to believe simply what we're told and we're more likely to operate off of common-sense-based assumptions, but common sense assumptions are both a form of critical thought and are rational, even if authorities on the given subject disagree. Men think more independently and are more likely to reject appeals to authority because we evolved to be competitive and self-sufficient. Women don't have to worry about maternal lineage, and are more predisposed to communal thinking ("It takes a village"), which is why they are more likely to place value on others' opinions of themselves, and why they are more likely to believe whatever they've been told if they've also been told it's the "correct thing".

I would say men tend to be more "instinctual" rather than impressionable. We'd probably be the first ones wanting to move our family to the boonies with the unspoken understanding that it's for the socially unacceptable purpose of avoiding minorities and metropolitan faggotry. Women can keep the teachable title- it holds up.

 

[Meth Reindeer]

Hey there; always nice to meet a fellow deer avatar. Not sure if you're making a general comment on the scenario or implying that my post is a bait post? I wish it was. The people in question are close to me and the situation is causing me a great deal of personal anguish. It's left me in a weird limbo where I can't talk to anyone about it in real life and there's a non-zero chance they'll stumble over anything I post online, even (perhaps especially) here.

I know the Farms is not my therapist but I came to this thread to get other people's takes on what the transition of a partner does to the marriage, perhaps from personal experience or observing others go through it.

It was a lazy tongue-in-cheek comment on my part, not intended to put you down.

Basically I was just poking fun at the fact that Polyamory seems to be the "solution" a lot of these people think will sort out their need for attention problem. I could easily go on a MATI rant about it myself and how it doesn't really ever work.

You have my sympathy for this situation. Trans criticism or even discussion about anything non-affirming being so taboo is so fucking stupid. I think if you search this thread and others you'll see that it seldom makes for a stable marriage. Although, I do know a couple that includes an MtF but they were transitioning before marriage and the real woman of the couple is probably more unstable than the MtF.