MetaCardboard 251 points 1 day ago
Unfortunately veganism is still considered pretty fringe, even among people you'd think would naturally gravitate toward it, for obvious reasons. However, most people are strongly averse to confronting their own shortcomings. That, tied with the caricature of the stereotypical preachy, better than thou vegan image created by the meat industry and other participating right wing ideologues, has kept veganism on the fringe of society. Just because people are politically left doesn't mean they aren't also susceptible to right wing propaganda.
However, veganism has grown over time, and even vegetarianism and pescatarianism. Sure the latter two are still very harmful to animals, but it shows that progress is being made. So keep strong.
[–]mayflowers5- vegan 5+ years 140 points 1 day ago
I know many liberals who get very butt hurt when I talk about veganism. They’re also big animal rights activists. The only conclusion I can come to is that they feel so guilty and gross that they won’t give up eating meat and turn that guilt into an argument and whataboutisms.
mryauch- veganarchist 0 points 19 hours ago
Veganism isn't about your feelings, thoughts or beliefs. It's about your action. Your choice.
Not all vegans feel guilty. Some have been vegan their whole lives and simply find it logical.
On the flip side, some people can go vegan without feeling specifically guilty. Others can feel guilty before going vegan. That feeling may be the catalyst that drives them to look closer at the effects of their actions, and eventually change their actions. Some people will fail to have self awareness, and though they feel guilty, their sense of self preservation, peer pressure, and convenience will win out.
Your proclamation lacks nuance and you seem to severely misunderstand how humans work. Our brains, hormones, and feelings are wildly illogical at times. We can contradict ourselves it turns out.
[–]CrestedMacaw 0 points 14 hours ago
I strongly believe that no non-vegan person feels guilty for eating food.
[–]Luinger- vegan 10+ years 1 point 13 hours ago
Then you are just wrong
[–]CrestedMacaw -1 points 13 hours ago
I don't think so - but that's just a matter of opinion.
[–]Luinger- vegan 10+ years 3 points 13 hours ago
You're essentially saying you can read other peoples minds. It's a bizarre claim to make
[–]CrestedMacaw -2 points 13 hours ago
This isn't a matter of reading minds. If you felt guilty for eating meat, you wouldn't eat meat. Therefore you would be vegan.
[–]mryauch- veganarchist 3 points 12 hours ago
Why do you believe people don't do things that make them feel guilty? There are all sorts of behaviors that prove this incorrect. Psychologists have made entire careers from this.
Guilt is a feeling. You can choose to take an action that aligns with that feeling or conflicts with it. It's called free will. You can feel guilt over an action, but believe the action must be done for the greater good. You have WAY too much faith in humans being consistent to think such simple logic as "guilt = feel bad, human avoid feel bad, thus human stop behavior that causes guilt" actually matters.
There are people that don't like how animals are treated in animal ag, but due to industry propaganda believe they have no choice. They think they need animal products to be healthy, so they make a choice that continues to make them feel guilty (when they think about it).
[–]Trained_Mushroom 3 points 12 hours ago
If you felt guilty for eating meat, you wouldn't eat meat.
This is not just wrong but self-evidently wrong. Even thinking this could be true is incredibly stupid.
[–]CrestedMacaw 0 points 6 hours ago
Yet it's true.
[–]Trained_Mushroom 1 point 6 hours ago
Except it's not and you are literally just making shit up.
Valuable-Run2129 -1 points 21 hours ago
The current prevalent liberal ideology is incompatible with veganism. They want 8 billion humans to live like they live without sacrificing their preferences.
It’s sad to say, but I prefer conservatives because at least they are ok with inequality and not lifting up the rest of the population to this insane level of animal consumption.
winggar- vegan activist 565 points 1 day ago
Yeah I just got a pretty similar response to talking about veganism in r/leftism. I think people really struggle with the fact that veganism is the one social movement that requires you to actually do something instead of just have the right opinions.
Edit: environmentalism used to be similar before it devolved into blaming corporations for producing the products that the people complaining want to buy. Kudos to any of y'all still boycotting products that are bad for the environment.
Immediate-Daikon-572 185 points 1 day ago
A bit ironic how they say veganism is 'elite' when some of your colleague come from a privileged background. If you can do it but don't want because 'in X country there are no resources available' you just don't want to do it and are making up an excuse - that's fine but don't lie. Like why would I care what I eat in an isolated island if I am not there right now?? I think the irony of the left being so 'open-minded' and then refuse veganism because whatever is not being talked enough. This makes my blood boil I am sorry. I know it's hard but you just have to keep fighting! And keep showing them your values and the reality of it. And thank you for what you do
[–]LiviasFigs 173 points 1 day ago
It’s funny, because a lot of the responses to the op-ed were “veganism isn’t feasible in X country,” which, like, okay, but we’re talking about this college in this country… so what’s the relevance? It’s really annoying.
[–]Ning_Yu 110 points 1 day ago
It also ridicolous cause, unless you're an Inuit or something, the poor people diets has always been grains and legumes and vegetables, certainly not meat and such. But suddenly they wanna make it seem like it's the other way around, pretty much climbing mirrors to make excuse not to take personal accountability.
[–]MBEver74 51 points 1 day ago
100%! Like - I don’t think it’s good that Inuit people kill whales & seals - but I’m not about to start a hunt sabotage in the arctic LOL. Let them do what they do. But I sure as hell am going to criticize Chaz, Olivia & Ronin for grabbing a factory farmed burger after their anti-genocide feel good protest in NYC. LOL
[–]Willing_Day_2010 31 points 1 day ago
It especially gets me when it’s at a feminist/women’s right/pro choice related. Like why are you supporting industries that involve the rape and forced impregnation of females?l (of other species)?
[–]sadvegankitty 7 points 22 hours ago
Omg the intersectionality of veganism and feminism when I read about it just stunned me to my core. Still to this day I can’t believe how powerful it is but wow you try and say that to a non vegan woman and they just can’t handle it.