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Pikimon said:
They need to bridge the gap between the community and the administration if they want Reddit to last, they need the admins to not be perceived as shadowy figures in an Ivory Tower sneering at the plebs but rather as just users ensuring that the site is running smoothly, nothing more or less.
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But everyone on reddit is plebs and they should be sneered at.
 
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PeteyCoffee said:
However, using a website takes effort. Not using a website doesn't take any effort.
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Except for when a website happens to be an addiction to users, where not visiting becomes the hard part. Shitty websites will always have users so long as they function; now whether or not the owners decide to keep it up is another issue.

I predict Reddit being sold off just like ED, Furaffinity and Neopets. I could totally see Pao doing it since it would be less effort than redesigning the site for new ads and more money at one time. I'm willing to bet her only hesitation is the potential of Reddit making more money for longer than what she could sell it for, especially since she's in multiple lifetimes of debt.

If I were Pao, I'd be reading up on as many programming languages as I could compile in so I could properly manage and redesign the site to be A; ad compliant and B; user friendly. She won't though, people like her are inept & devoid of ambition; preferring to leave well enough alone over optimizing profit.
 
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MarvinTheParanoidAndroid said:
Except for when a website happens to be an addiction to users, where not visiting becomes the hard part. Shitty websites will always have users so long as they function; now whether or not the owners decide to keep it up is another issue.

I predict Reddit being sold off just like ED, Furaffinity and Neopets. I could totally see Pao doing it since it would be less effort than redesigning the site for new ads and more money at one time. I'm willing to bet her only hesitation is the potential of Reddit making more money for longer than what she could sell it for, especially since she's in multiple lifetimes of debt.

If I were Pao, I'd be reading up on as many programming languages as I could compile in so I could properly manage and redesign the site to be A; ad compliant and B; user friendly. She won't though, people like her are inept & devoid of ambition; preferring to leave well enough alone over optimizing profit.
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She's a CEO. CEOs don't do any of that shit. Fuck knows what she actually does there. Probably just drafts her next lawsuit for when the Board of Directors gives her the boot shortly before the company declares bankruptcy.
 
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I'm reading a couple mainstream articles about Ellen Pao's lawsuit.

In short, she was fired. Her complaint was that, as a woman, they shouldn't have been allowed to fire her. It was thrown out of court, and she was forced to pay the defendant's court costs, $276,000.

Ellen Pao... has been positive in the outcome of the jury's verdict, but it's difficult to not view her court loss as a setback for workplace sexism.
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Pao's court loss was a setback for sexism everywhere. Wow, even SJWs can't help (edit - the Freudian slip of) describing her as a sexist.

In her role as CEO, Pao eliminated salary negotiation for Reddit employees, citing a gender-discrimination motivation for the change.
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At reddit, you aren't allowed to ask for a raise or discuss with higher ups what you believe you're worth to the company.

This is unbelievable. I've never heard of an employer control and manipulative his or her employees this maliciously, not just now, but in all of history. (Not counting slaves.) It's worse than the shit that caused unions to form. Even at Standard Oil, I believe, managers could negotiate with the higher ups.

This kind of management style, the hitler style, isn't very effective. I mean, the benefit is that you can force people to do things which they wouldn't choose to do otherwise, all at once and without having to properly compensate them. But everyone is far less productive when you have to drive them to act against their self interests for everything they do, and you need a lot of expensive leverage to wield against/compel them. (The stronger the dogma, terror, the closer to the natural economic potential, but also the more expensive the leverage // the severity of devastation of economic potential varies.)

http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox...ht_awareness_to_workplace_sexism_but_the.html
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellen_Pao
 
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Wallace said:
Reddit hasn't been profitable for quite a while. Trying to bring the site back to profitability makes sense, Pao is just doing it very heavy-handedly, and the perception remains that she isn't "one of us" among the Reddit community. She'll just keep doing whatever she wants, "free speech" butthurt will ring throughout the land, and some people will fade away to Voat to join the pseudo-libertarian MRA circlejerk there.

ED had a good summation on their Voat page: Voat users are to Reddit what SJWs are to Tumblr.
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Everything you said there is true but reddit is not going to recover for this. Do you think Pao took reddit as a job because it was her first choice? It'll decline and some people will stick around, Pao took this because her past and her husband make her nobody's first choice. She probably had a buynch of shitty choices and given she allegedly couldn't post on the forum properly she may have thought the chance was her best option being unable to understand all the problems.

We can't really know the details but how would you have made money with reddit?
 
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Gensdupays said:
It is a pretty common assumption Pao wants to sell to fund future lawsuits/pay for the ones she failed.
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So why would the Board of Directors pick her to do this? What's in it for them? It's not like you can just wake up and decide "today I'm going to become the CEO of whatever."
 
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AnOminous said:
So why would the Board of Directors pick her to do this? What's in it for them? It's not like you can just wake up and decide "today I'm going to become the CEO of whatever."
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Few people understand economics or how to run a business. IMO, even the majority of academic economists don't. This is why a successful organization almost always goes downhill after its creator dies or leaves. (Reddit is one example of that.)

Members of a board of directors will try to choose for CEO the person who best represents them. If they don't understand economics, they will choose a CEO who doesn't understand economics. If they don't understand the basic function of the business, they will choose a CEO who doesn't understand the basic function of the business.

Reddit's board members are most likely SJWs, so it makes sense they would choose a sociopathic brute and manipulator to represent them. (Sarkeesian, anyone?)
 
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Interesting but the OP was refusing to give any kind of verification so it's all purely conjecture. Here's an archive of the second thread: https://archive.is/R34ge

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Gensdupays said:
You think she'll stop trying when most of the media treated her loss like Plessy v. Ferguson?
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Actually, Salon calling Pao sexist must have been a Freudian slip because the rest of the article (modestly) portrays her as a virtuous yet humble purveyor of equality, who was mechanically crushed by the evil system. Yet, withal her repeated abuse, she still maintains a great attitude, because she knows her righteous cause is going to triumph in the end. Every article I read was like that.

I think Pao will continue attempting to dominate people, and it will escalate. I wouldn't be surprised if filing this lawsuit provided her the first real positive attention in her life.

I think a lot of SJWs feel this way. The delusion they are a paragon of virtue who can fix the entire world is useful because it provides effortless self-validation to people who feel insignificant or unnoticed. Once their fantasy begins to bring them praise, that proves it is real. A lot of celebrities fall into this trap.

(I don't know if I understood what you meant or not.)
 
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Wallace said:
Reddit hasn't been profitable for quite a while. Trying to bring the site back to profitability makes sense, Pao is just doing it very heavy-handedly, and the perception remains that she isn't "one of us" among the Reddit community. She'll just keep doing whatever she wants, "free speech" butthurt will ring throughout the land, and some people will fade away to Voat to join the pseudo-libertarian MRA circlejerk there.

ED had a good summation on their Voat page: Voat users are to Reddit what SJWs are to Tumblr.
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I keep hearing the fact that Reddit isn't profitable, and I just can't wrap my head around it. One of the most hugely popular websites there is, that routinely gets huge amounts of revenue in Reddit Gold, isn't making a profit? I can see how that could get eaten up with administrative costs and stuff, but it's just so weird that they haven't found a way to make money from it. I guess that's why Ellen's starting the monetisation process by making the website more palatable to investors/advertisers and trying to turn IAMA's into videos (unconfirmed rumour).
 
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PeteyCoffee said:
Reddit's board members are most likely SJWs, so it makes sense they would choose a sociopathic brute and manipulator to represent them. (Sarkeesian, anyone?)
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Why would that be the case? People who run boards of directors are usually really rich old white guys, often sitting on many such boards. I suppose it's possible but [citation needed] on that one.

I think it's a lot more likely reddit decided they needed to do some things that were going to be unpopular with the users and wanted a fall guy, so picked someone likely to be wildly unpopular to institute the wildly unpopular new policies. Then later they fire her and say it was all her.

At least everyone has an actual motivation there.

Or they could just be really stupid. Hard to say. They could just be old guys who learned literally nothing from digg.
 
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I keep hearing the fact that Reddit isn't profitable, and I just can't wrap my head around it. One of the most hugely popular websites there is, that routinely gets huge amounts of revenue in Reddit Gold, isn't making a profit? I can see how that could get eaten up with administrative costs and stuff, but it's just so weird that they haven't found a way to make money from it. I guess that's why Ellen's starting the monetisation process by making the website more palatable to investors/advertisers and trying to turn IAMA's into videos (unconfirmed rumour).
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If that's true, that's stupid.

I mean, maybe it would work. But it's a dumb risk. Why would you move a successful service completely out of the web aggregator realm, which you have cornered, into the Internet video realm, which Google dominates.

To compete with google, reddit would have to put a substantial amount of money, effort, and talented people into these AMAs. And still, Google has the massive advantage of being more convenient for the consumer than any other video service right now. I understand video ads probably pay more, but could the increased revenue from moving a service you already provide into a much more contested medium truly justify the cost and risk?

You want to focus on what you do best. That's where people are giving you money - and the more focused you are on other crap, the less focused you are on the thing which brings you money. Also, a lack of focus usually perpetrates disorganization and inefficiency throughout.

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Why would that be the case? People who run boards of directors are usually really rich old white guys, often sitting on many such boards. I suppose it's possible but [citation needed] on that one.

I think it's a lot more likely reddit decided they needed to do some things that were going to be unpopular with the users and wanted a fall guy, so picked someone likely to be wildly unpopular to institute the wildly unpopular new policies. Then later they fire her and say it was all her.

At least everyone has an actual motivation there.

Or they could just be really stupid. Hard to say. They could just be old guys who learned literally nothing from digg.
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I make the assumption because Ellen Pao, the person they chose to represent them, is 38. Also, it's a tech startup in San Francisco. (Edit- I forgot to mention the founders of the company are 31 and 32. The latter is currently the executive chairman of the board.)

I agree with you - what she wants for reddit probably is what they want for reddit. But to what end? The only reason I can think of to enact these policies is dogmatic, or to improve one's standing with like minded people.

I don't think it's a financial move - because every person you boot or shame off your website makes the site less prevalent, and damages brand loyalty. Unless advertisers were threatening to pull, it's illogical.
 
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