Removing monuments of the Confederacy: Yay or Nay?

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No, history is to be remembered and learned from, regardless of how "uncomfortable" it makes you feel.
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That's what books and museums are for though -- monuments are generally not erected for teaching but for celebrating or honoring. There's a difference.

If they were talking about removing this from school curiculums, or a musuem exhibit, I'd be right behind you. Some memorial to honor some asshat? Fuck that.
 
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Mrs Paul said:
That's what books and museums are for though -- monuments are generally not erected for teaching but for celebrating or honoring. There's a difference.

If they were talking about removing this from school curiculums, or a musuem exhibit, I'd be right behind you. Some memorial to honor some asshat? Fuck that.
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AnOminous said:
I'd go to see it. It would be pretty cool. How many dead bodies are on display publicly?

It's kind of weird to do that, but I'd go gawk.
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You might like European ossuaries.
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Yes, those are real bones.

There's also a bunch of mummies around the world you can go visit.
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TheAmazingAxolotl said:
Yes and no.

Certain monuments honour those that shouldn't be honoured and certain monuments honour both those that deserve it and those that do not. A statue of Nathan Bedford Forrest, for example, shouldn't stand in a state building. A statue commemorating the common soldier of the Confederacy, however, has more of a right.
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That argument is so strange to me. Most people who have statues don't really deserve it-- things people consider heroic are rarely achieved without resorting to bad behavior. When has leading a nation ever been about justice, peace or honesty? When has war not involved shedding the blood of innocents? In my opinion the worth of a statue should be based on artistic merit, not who or what it's actually supposed to represent. There's plenty of gorgeous temples, tombs and statues built to honor tyrants out there.

Personally I'm fine with destroying some mass produced statues and moving controversial statues out of public spaces for the sake of keeping people calm, but actually destroying works of art is going overboard.
 
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Nay but this does nothing for the destruction of american history for the vandals who want to rewrite it and are winning.
 
Yah because statues of humans should not exist. That is fatal and disgusting hubris. Only statues of Gods, demigods and mythical creatures should exist.
 
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Move them all to museums and replace them with statues of random Union soldiers who had to put their lives on hold because a bunch of assholes didn't want to give up their slaves. The glorification of traitors should never have been allowed to happen in the first place. Just one more thing America can thank that treacherous swine Johnson for.
 
Statues which exist for the purpose of idolizing, should go. Ones which exist for historical purpose must remain.
 
I made a joke suggestion in chat that if a community wants to knock down a Confederate statue that we should simply remove it and build a giant chessboard to put them all on in some public park. I was thinking about it afterwards and realized that would actually be pretty sweet and kind of wish there was some way to get this taken seriously as a real suggestion. Knowing this government though, I doubt that it would ever happen.

At least we'll always have that statue of RoboCop in Detroit.
 
Necroing this thread because what a previous post said has come true. They didn't just stop at the removing the statues.
City Digs Up Remains Of Confederate General After Taking Down Statue
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RICHMOND, VA - DEC 12: The statue of Confederate General A.P. Hill rests on a trailer after it was removed from its pedestal in Richmond, Virginia on December 12, 2022. Hill's remains are buried under the memorial and will be relocated.
Photo by Parker Michels-Boyce for The Washington Post via Getty Images.
The city of Richmond, Virginia, has dug up the remains of Confederate General A.P. Hill as it continues to purge Confederate symbols and monuments from public spaces.

The remains of Hill, which had been buried under a monument to the general, were located on Tuesday after two days of digging. The casket of Hill, who was reportedly buried standing up, was rotted away when workers finally found the remains using an excavator.

According to local reporter Riley Wyant, the remains of Hill were blocked from public view using a tarp before they were transferred into a body bag and wheeled away on a stretcher. The remains were transferred to the general’s relatives, including John Hill, the general’s closest indirect descendent.


The city had brought in an excavator to search for Hill’s remains, which had been buried at an intersection of the city for over 130 years. On top of the grave was a statue of the Confederate soldier. The statue, which was removed via crane on Monday, was the last city-owned Confederate monument to be removed from Richmond.

The removal of the statue and remains comes after a legal battle between the city and descendants of Hill, which was complicated by the monument’s usage as a headstone. The move was hailed by Democratic Richmond Mayor Levar Stoney, but decried by Hill’s relatives.

“Over two years ago, Richmond was home to more Confederate statues than any city in the United States. Collectively, we have closed that chapter,” Stoney tweeted. “We now continue the work of being a more inclusive and welcoming place where ALL belong.”

RICHMOND, VA - DEC 12: Workers remove the statue of Confederate General A.P. Hill from its pedestal in Richmond, Virginia on December 12, 2022. Hill's remains are buried under the memorial and will be relocated.
(Photo by Parker Michels-Boyce for The Washington Post via Getty Images)

John Hill said he was disappointed to see the statue removed. “It’s been devastating because that is my family name up there, that’s our headstone so we don’t want the city to have possession of it and destroy it,” he said, according to NBC 29. “We wanted his remains to be moved with the headstone so they didn’t have to be disturbed.”


The relative also said the Virginian opposed slavery. “All of his census documents show he never owned a slave and he did not believe in slavery,” he said. Following the war, Hill’s wife Kitty claimed that Hill had not supported slavery.

Hill’s remains are expected to be moved to a Culpeper cemetery, nearby to where the Confederate general grew up. The monument itself has been moved to storage while Hill’s descendants and the city fight for control. The city wants to give it to the Black History Museum and Cultural Center of Virginia while Hill’s family hopes to place it at a battlefield where he fought.

Born in Culpeper, Virginia, in 1825, Ambrose Powell Hill attended West Point in the 1840s, where he was roommates with future Union Major General George McClellan, who would be a commander of the Army of the Potomac during the Civil War. The future enemies would become friends during school, and Hill was even in McClellan’s wedding.

Before the Civil War, Hill wrote in the 1850s of his disgust at the lynching of a black man in his hometown who had been accused of murder. “Shame, shame upon all you, good citizens,” he said at the time according to late Virginia Tech historian James I. Robertson, Jr. “Virginia must crawl unless you vindicate good order or discipline and hang every son of a b**** connected with the outrage.”

During the war, Hill rose to prominence because of his key contributions at the battles of Cedar Mountain, Second Bull Run, Antietam, Fredericksburg, Chancellorsville, and Petersburg. Hill is credited with saving Robert E. Lee’s army at Antietam when he launched a counterattack in the battle, which saw 22,000 casualties.

Hill was killed at Petersburg on April 2, 1865, just days before the end of the war, leaving behind his wife and three daughters.

The removal of the Hill statue and grave follows other prominent monument removals in Richmond, including statues of Robert E. Lee, Jefferson Davis, and Thomas “Stonewall” Jackson.
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The Nothingness said:
Necroing this thread because what a previous post said has come true. They didn't just stop at the removing the statues.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/city-digs-up-remains-of-confederate-general-after-taking-down-statue
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The excavation was lead by a liberal activist douchebag named Patrick Lindsey.
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This is his wife's Instagram https://www.instagram.com/p/CB4hX72Aifz/?hl=en
And this might be his house though I have no links to it.
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and this is where he might work.
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That's the sort of shit that I expected to happen when I first heard about this shit beginning as a consequence of Trump's electoral success. This is the exact sort of shit that will end up resulting in real problems down the road as a response to this completely unnecessary reopening of old wounds and being smug about desecrating ancestral graves out of pure spite.
 
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Rome's rightful successor said:
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/pol/ - They're digging up the graves of your ancestors an - Politica…

archived 15 Dec 2022 04:00:47 UTC
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The excavation was lead by a liberal activist douchebag named Patrick Lindsey.
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This is his wife's Instagram https://www.instagram.com/p/CB4hX72Aifz/?hl=en
And this might be his house though I have no links to it.
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and this is where he might work.
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Wonder if he caved like a little bitch in Prison? He sure didn't do the full 27 months
A: https://archive.ph/C1hdl

All of his info is easy to find, I just hate these smug assholes
 
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