Removing monuments of the Confederacy: Yay or Nay?

My view on monuments is that it really has nothing to do with the Confederacy at all. It's an obvious push to bulldoze any old White American culture, as evidenced by the fact that they immediately moved on to attacking Founding Fathers, Unionists, and even abolitionists too. So I'm opposed to taking down the monuments on the grounds that it's a surrender to people that I hate and want exterminated.

And as far as the Civil War in general goes, few people actually give a shit about it on either side. People look at either side and see whatever they want to see in it. That's why people get so stirred up over this shit while at the same time having the most retarded takes on it. Libertarians look at the Confederacy and imagine some night watchman state utopia fighting over taxes and government spending. Alt-Right faggots look at it and imagine some White nationalist state (because nothing is more White nationalist than importing millions of foreign heathens to take the jobs of your own people). Progressive faggots look at the Union and see a progressive utopia, even though the Union was more proto-fascist than the Confederacy was. And normalfaggots just jerk off the Union because they were indoctrinated to.

When an ideologue looks at one of those statues, they see a statue to themselves.

I'd prefer it if instead of taking down monuments, they built more counter-monuments, particularly monuments to Southern Unionists and monuments depicting the suffering of war.
 
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AnOminous said:
If this theory is correct, then shouldn't we also take down all monuments to Sherman? His activities during the Civil War were arguably war crimes even if he was on the winning side.
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Not a war crime if it is against animals.
 
Corbin Dallas Multipass said:
So... you believe everyone in the confederate south owned slaves? Do you believe the black soldiers in the confederate army were fighting to have black people kept in their place?
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Which Black soldiers in the Confederate Army? The slaves that were used for noncombatant roles? The one colored militia in Louisiana that flipped sides? The imaginary ones?
 
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Hot take but I think Confederate memorials should be moved to other places, there shouldn't be a half a million statues of Lee or Jackson or Davis in the U.S.. Have maybe one or two in the town they were born/grew up and let it be that. At the very least they should be redone so they are less prominent or they get plaques on how terrible they were, not hard, seeing as most were slave owners.

Also something that gets looked over too much is street names. Most of these happen to be in inner cities with large black populations. Imagine how that is growing up, in the whitest neighborhood in the country, and you live near the corner of Malcolm X and Louis Farrakhan blvd., that's gonna fuck you up mentally at the very least slightly.

And seeing that both the street names and the statues happened AFTER the civil war, it just doesn't seem as historical as some make them out to be.





That one Nathan Bedford Forrest statue can stay.
 
For the discussion of intention, the vast majority of monuments went up around 1900-1940, and mostly loaded up 1910-1930. The monuments people care about were mostly privately funded by Sons of Confederate Veterans and United Daughters of Confederacy and installed on courthouse grounds. A second small boom took place during Civil Rights, and then a small one in the 1990s.

You can give sensible benevolent and malicious explanations to each of those booms. In the first one, it took place around the same time that the Second Klan was at its height, Wilson was in office as the first Southern President since the War, and the progressive mindset of the Union generation was being replaced with a spirit of reapproachment, proto-fascist/actual fascist ideology, and romanticizing of the South (all of which go together) in the North (as seen in things like Gone With the Wind and Aunt Jemima).

However, that was also the time when the War generation was dying out and their children were entering middle age. People often make these idiotic arguments that the fact they went up so late instead of right after would make the monuments insincere, even though it's the children who feel the need to commemorate. (People don't, especially under occupation, go around building monuments to themselves.)

Similarly, the Civil Rights boom took place during Civil Rights, but also around the centennial of the War. I assume the 90s boom was due to culture war (which would ironically make them the most political monuments), maybe also LA Riots specifically.
 
Anyone who attempts to remove a Confederate Monument should face a firing squad people who destroy historical monuments are no better than the people who destroyed Priceless works of art
I feel the same way people just destroying Soviet monuments move them into Museum this still works of art
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