EU Replacing US military support in Europe would cost $1T - The costs of like-for-like replacement of U.S. equipment and personnel would add up to approximately $1 trillion over 25 years, the study found.

Replacing US military support in Europe would cost $1T
Politico EU (archive.ph)
By Giovanna Coi
2025-05-15 12:38:20GMT

Europe could survive without United States military support — but it would take a quarter century to replace the Americans and cost as much as $1 trillion, according to a new report.

A study by the International Institute for Strategic Studies published Thursday found that a hypothetical U.S. withdrawal from Europe would leave the continent’s NATO members vulnerable to a Russian threat and faced with “stark choices” on how to fill the immense gaps.

The costs of like-for-like replacement of U.S. equipment and personnel would add up to approximately $1 trillion over 25 years, the study found. That includes one-off procurement costs ranging from $226 billion to $344 billion — depending on the quality of the equipment purchased — and additional expenses associated with military maintenance, personnel and support.

The most expensive line item on the shopping list would be 400 tactical combat aircraft, followed by 20 destroyers and 24 long-range surface-to-air missiles.

The IISS also estimated that in the event of a large-scale military operation to counter a Russian attack, the cost to replace U.S. personnel (estimated at 128,000 troops) would exceed $12 billion.

The assessment does not include other glaring gaps, the cost of which is harder to quantify. These include command and control, coordination, space, intelligence and surveillance, as well as the cost of nuclear weapons.

Europeans would also need to fill certain top jobs, like the position of supreme allied commander in Europe — NATO’s commander on the continent and its second-highest-ranking military position. With the U.S. out of the picture, they would also have to step up diplomatic coordination efforts.

Easier said than done
Filling the gap left by the U.S. in Europe would require a mix of time, long-term political commitment and more ambitious investment.

But even with unlimited political goodwill and the cash to match it, European industry would in the short term lack the capability to meet increased demand, according to the IISS. Arms manufacturers would be faced with supply chain bottlenecks, a shortage of skilled workers, and financing and regulatory constraints.

Most likely, the “buy European” dream touted by European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen would not materialize for a while. Even if procurement picks up in the land sector, other sectors like naval and aerospace have seen very little investment. In some areas like rocket artillery or low-observable fighter aircraft, buying local is simply not an option.

Still, despite Europe’s continued dependency on U.S. military suppliers, there are signs of progress.

The institute’s analysis of selected procurement efforts tendered between February 2022 and September 2024 found that 52 percent of their value was awarded to European suppliers, compared to 34 percent for the United States. The “buy European” trend is likely to gain traction, according to the authors of the report.

Europe is also spending more than before to defend itself.

In the wake of Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine in 2022, several NATO countries stepped up their efforts to meet or exceed the alliance’s goal of spending at least 2 percent of gross domestic product on defense.

Donald Trump’s return to the White House was also an unexpected boon to proponents of European defense. The president’s demands that European allies contribute more to NATO — and his suggestion that the U.S. might abandon its defense commitments to the continent — have cast doubt on America’s reliability as an ally. That makes the idea of “genuinely European defense,” as championed by French President Emmanuel Macron, more appealing.

But cash-strapped governments only have so much wiggle room to spend more on defense while keeping their national debts under control.

Moreover, tensions in countries like Spain and Italy, which are struggling with squeezed public finances, suggest public opposition to greater military spending could also be an obstacle if Europe is left on its own.

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https://www.iiss.org/research-paper...ut--the-united-states-costs-and-consequences/ (archive.ph)
https://www.iiss.org/globalassets/m...ited-states_costs-and-consequences_052025.pdf (archive.org)
https://www.iiss.org/globalassets/m...ited-states_costs-and-consequences_052025.pdf (archive.org)
 
It’s not that much money, but current total EU military expenditures are around 250-300 billion a year.

They would need to spend another 40 billion annually (15-25% increase) to keep up.
The problem is many European countries can't afford the boost in defense with taking cuts elsewhere, or are facing economic stagnation. France is in a complete budget crisis right now, keeps having PMs replaced. And this is at current levels of military spending, where they are already having to propose taking a hatchet to numerous programs. Germany is one of the few European nations not fiscally struggling, but instead is faced with an economy that has effectively not grown since 2019 and shows little sign of improving, which is not good when everything is indexed to your total GDP.
 
Some americans actually believe this, which is incredible.
You're a seething European, but you're right on this one point. Americans have gotten too used to the entire world being assimilated by our culture. I've never liked it. When I go to Sicily I don't want to hear people talking about fucking Breaking Bad and the Kardashians. I don't want to hear Donald Trump's name when I turn on the BBC. The best you've got is places that barely speak English at all, but even then, not really. Japan still mostly sticks to Japanese media, but even they routinely have American stuff on their highest grossing lists.

I don't know if we can ever truly go back to a world where every culture is unique, but I'd at least like there to be pockets of culture that aren't just "American, but poor".
 
i don't get why americans think "oh all of our great economic times were caused by free trade and being the world police and reserve currency n shieet? let's throw that away because uhh idk, china or something"
They weren’t. Our good economic times were caused by the fact that the rest of the industrialized world was bombed to smithereens in the Second World War and we were the only ones in the free world with the capacity to make all the shit. Once US business leaders figured out they could replace the American worker with Chinese peasants for pennies on the dollar, it was nothing but death spiral for 90% of the country.
 
Considering that no euro manufacture has made a 5th generation fighter (turks don't count), the British sixth gen fighter is expected to enter service 10 years from now, and the joint-European attempt is even further out, "not an option" is apt, even if understated.

Because the french have never undermined NATO in favor of their own national interests; not that their wrong, just that Macron is doubting US reliability when his nation spent over 4 decades being a NATO-member-in-name-only is rather tone deaf no?
At least the frogs are now spending what they agreed to in joining NATO instead of half that amount, which is pretty much what they were doing from when Obama let them in until last year.

Maybe Europe should have treated the alliance how they expect America to, or maybe shown the US a little gratitude for picking up the slack when they refused to.

But now the US is being lectured by the same douchebag assholes that not only flounced out of the alliance, but kicked NATO out of the country to appease the Russians.
 
Go on Euros, I wanna see you do it. Aren't you all so advanced and civilized? Should be easy right?

yes, that is what's been paying for your country's national defense and social welfare programs since WWII, thank you for noticing

Oh, so a modern military actually costs money when you have to pay for it yourself?

Good luck keeping all of those social programs you love so dearly, lmao.
Quoting a bunch of people since I am interested in the though process.

I always find those "findings" fascinating. A big even number. Easy to memorize even. Well, but what does it even mean? We got $1 trillion over 25 years. Huh? 25? How much is that by year?
$1,000,000,000,000/25 = $40,000,000,000

Still a big number but Europe also has a lot of people. Around 449 million.
$40,000,000,000/449,000,000 = $89.08

That is 90 dollars a year. Or $7.50 a month.

This does not take into account that some areas are not covered according to the article. Such as space, intelligence and nuclear weapons. Though it also did not include the populations of countries such as the UK, who might also be interested in a European defense alliance.

So why act like this is a big deal? The number is somewhat of a joke. Either it's way to low, which nobody quoted here seemed to have noticed, or the kind of military that Europe needs is just way cheaper. The article speaks about defense, in it's original meaning, not having supercarriers enabling Europe to dick around globally.

But since nobody raised objections and took the article as a sober self assurance. What to do with the responses? Want to see Europe spend the equivant of a Netflix subspriton per capita a month extra on defense? It's so over, Europe is finished:story:
 
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We all know how they're going to do it.

One of them will build a jet and put it in a hangar.

Everyone else will then come along and do something like stick gum on the wall of the hangar.

Then they'll all claim the jet, the hangar, the personnel costs, the gum, the airport, the fuel, the air, the sunshine, and maybe toss in some brownies or nixies or some shit, all as part of the their military buildup.
 
Want to see Europe spend the equivant of a Netflix subspriton per capita a month extra on defense? It's so over, Europe is finished:story:

This but unironically.

They are complete fucking retards. They would take that money and waste it, not actually building defense. I wanna see them try because it would be really funny to see the EU try to make their faggot pan-national HR Bureaucrat bugmen into a actual army.
 
This but unironically.

They are complete fucking retards. They would take that money and waste it, not actually building defense. I wanna see them try because it would be really funny to see the EU try to make their faggot pan-national HR Bureaucrat bugmen into a actual army.
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Are you okay? Did the EU assault you or something? Where did that come from.
 
Quoting a bunch of people since I am interested in the though process.

I always find those "findings" fascinating. A big even number. Easy to memorize even. Well, but what does it even mean? We got $1 trillion over 25 years. Huh? 25? How much is that by year?
$1,000,000,000,000/25 = $40,000,000,000

Still a big number but Europe also has a lot of people. Around 449 million.
$40,000,000,000/449,000,000 = $89.08

That is 90 dollars a year. Or $7.50 a month.

This does not take into account that some areas are not covered according to the article. Such as space, intelligence and nuclear weapons. Though it also did not include the populations of countries such as the UK, who might also be interested in a European defense alliance.

So why act like this is a big deal? The number is somewhat of a joke. Either it's way to low, which nobody quoted here seemed to have noticed, or the kind of military that Europe needs is just way cheaper. The article speaks about defense, in it's original meaning, not having supercarriers enabling Europe to dick around globally.

But since nobody raised objections and took the article as a sober self assurance. What to do with the responses? Want to see Europe spend the equivant of a Netflix subspriton per capita a month extra on defense? It's so over, Europe is finished:story:

If it were so easy, why haven't they done so yet?

:story:

The writing was on the wall when Trump was first elected and demanded they pay more, and they all seethed and complained about it being "too much". Well, now you get to do it yourselves, as NATO is just the US military with extra steps at this point.
 
It’s not that much money, but current total EU military expenditures are around 250-300 billion a year.

They would need to spend another 40 billion annually (15-25% increase) to keep up.
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Can't be that hard with a collective GDP of almost $20 trillion.
 
Considering that no euro manufacture has made a 5th generation fighter
Lol, 5th generation fighters are primarily focused on stealth. Stealth doesn't matter when the enemy doesn't know your invisible. Europe's 5th generation approach was primarily focused on the F-35, a shared program headed by America. Other European fighters basically emphasize performance instead of stealth. So, they technically aren't 5th generation.

Edit: Also lol, 15% of Amerimutt F-35 parts are made in britbongistan
 
Quoting a bunch of people since I am interested in the though process.

Maybe you should’ve quoted the people on this page with an actual answer:

It’s not that much money, but current total EU military expenditures are around 250-300 billion a year.

They would need to spend another 40 billion annually (15-25% increase) to keep up.

One of the two competent militaries in the EU:
France is in a complete budget crisis right now


Other European fighters basically emphasize performance
If by performance you mean complete inability to deal with bargain bin Chinese air defenses, sure.

The Rafael is the best fighter Europe has, and it has a losing record so far.
 
Lol, 5th generation fighters are primarily focused on stealth. Stealth doesn't matter when the enemy doesn't know your invisible. Europe's 5th generation approach was primarily focused on the F-35, a shared program headed by America. Other European fighters basically emphasize performance instead of stealth. So, they technically aren't 5th generation.
Performance don't count for shit when the other stealth guy can do the "see first, shoot first and hit first" routine before Mr. Performance even knows he been spotted in the first place. Hence the Euros, and Russians finally getting on the stealth bandwagon with their latest fighters in development.
 
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all this talk about rearmement and im sitting here knowing we still train on fulda gap tier "Hammer und Amboß" doctrine, so all i wanna know is this:

What exactly is the threat model?
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Please tell me, I need a good laugh. Have these people been paying attention these past years, like at all?

The best course of action would be to assume direct military control over the NATO countries that aren't paying their fair share to the alliance just like a bank would take over an insolvent business.
>direct military control

thats..kinda what nato is brev. Oh you thought this was like an "alliance" and every couple of years we let the *checks list of little people countries* latvians steer this bitch? thats fuckin ridiculous dude, you should stop watching globohomoslop
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If it were so easy, why haven't they done so yet?

:story:

The writing was on the wall when Trump was first elected and demanded they pay more, and they all seethed and complained about it being "too much". Well, now you get to do it yourselves, as NATO is just the US military with extra steps at this point.
I think they are two different things.

1. The numbers of the article. Roughly 40 billion annually.
2. What Trump demanded

There is a difference between those two. And that will explain the different reactions. I assume I don't have to spell out which number Trump had in mind. So back to my original question.

You commented:
Good luck keeping all of those social programs you love so dearly, lmao.
How is $7.50 a month per capita going to break "social programs"? The article we are talking about is stating a very low number. Where does that thought come from?

Maybe you should’ve quoted the people on this page with an actual answer:
I want to understand the though process of the people, who in my view, don't get it. So I can harldy quote the people that point out it's not very much, according to the article. But instead have to focus on the ones that make a big deal about it.
 
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