Resident Evil - Virgin Vampire Wine Mom vs Chad Magnetic Lebowski

[Smaug's Smokey Hole]

This one is old as hell but I still think it's really funny.

 

[Dom Cruise]

As a kid, I thought H.C.F were working for the same people that had employed Ada Wong in RE2. I also thought that H.C.F themselves were employed by the CIA as mercenaries or freelancers.

A common early fan theory about Wesker's survival and the H.C.F in Code Veronica was that they were working for a higher-up group of some kind.

The three most common suspects for this higher-up Wesker and was working for were the federal government, a rival megacorp, and no shit, Satan himself.

I remember hearing that one on the playground and apparently it was common enough online that Thomas Wilde mentioned it in one of the editions for his Resident Evil plot analysis document.

The Resident Evil fanon and speculation about the plot in the pre-RE4 days was really autistic but also kinda fun in a crazy goofball sort of way.

The H.C.F pretty clearly seems like it was supposed to be a rival company to me, the question is what happened to them and why was Wesker suddenly no longer a member? Just kind of an odd thing to introduce and drop, is Code Veronica is the only game to mention them?

A lot about Wesker doesn't really make any sense, at the end of RE4 he mentions wanting to restore Umbrella, a company he betrayed and never cared about, why? That of course is never mentioned in RE5, but now he's a guy that wants to kill everyone because... reasons? He strikes me as a guy that would want to take over the world, not just destroy it.

The whole thing could have been handled a lot better, RE's lore is overall a mess and it's one thing that holds the series back even as it's gotten better, but I miss when everything was a lot cleaner and neater.

But as for a higher-up group of some kind, RE8 seems to imply the Umbrella emblem has an older history beyond Umbrella itself and the Duke is implied to be part of some sort of secret society, we'll have to wait and see where that goes.

 

[Smaug's Smokey Hole]

The H.C.F pretty clearly seems like it was supposed to be a rival company to me, the question is what happened to them and why was Wesker suddenly no longer a member? Just kind of an odd thing to introduce and drop, is Code Veronica is the only game to mention them?

A lot about Wesker doesn't really make any sense, at the end of RE4 he mentions wanting to restore Umbrella, a company he betrayed and never cared about, why? That of course is never mentioned in RE5, but now he's a guy that wants to kill everyone because... reasons? He strikes me as a guy that would want to take over the world, not just destroy it.

The whole thing could have been handled a lot better, RE's lore is overall a mess and it's one thing that holds the series back even as it's gotten better, but I miss when everything was a lot cleaner and neater.

But as for a higher-up group of some kind, RE8 seems to imply the Umbrella emblem has an older history beyond Umbrella itself and the Duke is implied to be part of some secret society, we'll have to wait and see where that goes.

The RE series could be summarized as "let's escalate!". RE4 tried to pull it back but by RE6, plus what little I know of Revelations, they reached the peak and they have tried to climb down from there. I'm a casual and don't know if 7 was a reboot or if 6 that happened or both, but then there was eight, but 6 was doomsday and everything was fucked, but 7 was a family living quietly until... Capcom could have benefited from making RE a Zelda when it comes to timeline. Unless they did, I don't know I just play the games.

 

[Coldgrip]

A lot about Wesker doesn't really make any sense, at the end of RE4 he mentions wanting to restore Umbrella, a company he betrayed and never cared about, why? That of course is never mentioned in RE5, but now he's a guy that wants to kill everyone because... reasons? He strikes me as a guy that would want to take over the world, not just destroy it.

He'd restore Umbrella with him in complete control, at least that was my takeaway. I wouldn't say he wants to kill everyone, just Chris really. Anybody else he went after was simply because they happened to be helping him (Chris). He's also not above mind controlling people, so 50/50 chance he'd end you or turn you into a loyal puppet.

 

[BlerdBjern]

Some random RE thoughts because I'm bored.

How exactly do you view the series with regards to canon and timelines?

For me the prime canon or prime timeline is REmake, RE2, RE3, Code Veronica, RE0 and Outbreak File 1 and 2.

The extended canon includes RE4, RE5, RE7, RE8 and the two Revelations games (RE6 is firmly in "it never happened" territory for me)

And then we have the timeline of the RE2 and RE3 remakes, which I might consider an alternate universe or I may in fact consider 2 and 3 remakes to be the canon versions of the events in the backstory for RE7 and RE8, the reason being is since they're all in the RE engine it makes it more tonally and stylistically consistent than imagining the original RE2 is exactly the same universe as 7 and 8.

So for simplicity sake's I may just say there's two timelines, the prime one that ended with the Outbreak games and the alternate timeline that includes the 3 remakes, the upcoming 4 remake, 5 and 7, 8 and whatever else comes out in the future, but we'll have to see how the 4 remake actually turns out and what it might change.


For another random thought, does anyone else think it's a missed opportunity that we didn't spend more time in the Arklay woods? Other than one scenario in File 2 very little time is spent in the woods outside of cutscenes, I bet that in addition to the axe murder and the abandoned hospital seen in File 2 there was all sorts of creepy shit to be found, it'd be cool to see it depicted in the RE engine.

In fact I dare say Capcom needs to make a spinoff game that's an open world game set in Racoon City and the surrounding woods in the vein of a State of Decay or whatever.

What about the revelations games?

 

[BlerdBjern]

The H.C.F pretty clearly seems like it was supposed to be a rival company to me, the question is what happened to them and why was Wesker suddenly no longer a member? Just kind of an odd thing to introduce and drop, is Code Veronica is the only game to mention them?

A lot about Wesker doesn't really make any sense, at the end of RE4 he mentions wanting to restore Umbrella, a company he betrayed and never cared about, why? That of course is never mentioned in RE5, but now he's a guy that wants to kill everyone because... reasons? He strikes me as a guy that would want to take over the world, not just destroy it.

The whole thing could have been handled a lot better, RE's lore is overall a mess and it's one thing that holds the series back even as it's gotten better, but I miss when everything was a lot cleaner and neater.

But as for a higher-up group of some kind, RE8 seems to imply the Umbrella emblem has an older history beyond Umbrella itself and the Duke is implied to be part of some sort of secret society, we'll have to wait and see where that goes.

Resident evil 7 mentioned them, they collaborated with The Connections to experiment on the Mold.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

Wesker is basically just a ordinary dude doing merc work for money. (shit he kinda looks like his kid Jake from 6! maybe that's why I liked him so much?)

And then he realized what Genre he was in..and knew that inevitably it would go into over the top action shooter and decided to get in on the ground floor by becoming the Hammiest fucking in the games. Assuring he would be the Big Bad.

Albert Wesker was in the mold mind of Village and will return as an immortal Tyrant/Zombie/Oriboros/Mold god.'

Bonus points if this is revealed with Rose turning her head Exorcist style and saying "CHRIIIIIIIIIIIIIISSSSSS"

The RE series could be summarized as "let's escalate!".

This is basically a flaw of the "Horror Survival" Genre if you decide to Franchise. You go down two paths.

1. You keep the most basic foe the scariest thing and things kind of grow stale (See...Walking Dead, Paranormal Activity)

2.You escalate things, new types of mobs..and more action to let you fight those new types of mobs..while the initial enemies become fodder, you become an action series..then once the main plot is done you pull back to Survival Horror with a new set of characters and enemies.

RE 8 just..skipped 2 or 3 games and went straight from "Mold Zombie Family" to "Psycho God taking over t he world" in two games.

 

[The handsome tard]

It's funny how many dropped plot elements that could have been something bigger there are in this series.

There's Ada's original employer, Wesker working for HCF, Oswell Spencer and the Outbreak games teasing the idea of the US military experimenting with the T virus, which I get the feeling Resident Evil Zero was also teasing the idea of the US military as an antagonist, the emphasis on Billy's squad leader's blue eyes makes it seem like that was supposed to be a character of later note, but maybe they thought the whole thing would be too controversial.

And of course, The Family from RE6.

To be fair, its implied in previous games and pretty much confirmed in 5 that the US government and Umbrella were in cahoots with each other. You can read it in Spencer's notes, talking about how the government seems to be really determined to pin all this biological warfare and nuking of an entire american city off the map on Umbrella and Umbrella only. Just so they can cover their asses. Spencer even says something akin to "I hope the irony isnt lost on them when they judge me while they are as guilty as me".

Truth was, the government was pretty much working with Umbrella to produce BOWs as weapons for war, sure, Umbrella had its own agenda but it was still a vital work relationship that allowed Umbrella to get as far as it did.

Resident evil 6 seemed to want to touch more into this plot point by adding more evil players from the government (and the family, perhaps imply they were the ones involved with Umbrella). But given how 6 sucked, this plot point seems to have been dropped for the time being (I didnt watch the animated movies so I cant say if they pick it up there).

 

[Cactuar King]

He'd restore Umbrella with him in complete control, at least that was my takeaway. I wouldn't say he wants to kill everyone, just Chris really. Anybody else he went after was simply because they happened to be helping him (Chris). He's also not above mind controlling people, so 50/50 chance he'd end you or turn you into a loyal puppet.

Wasn’t his plan in 5 to spread Ouroboros across the planet and kill off 99% of it?

 

[Coldgrip]

Wasn’t his plan in 5 to spread Ouroboros across the planet and kill off 99% of it?

I think? I thought it was to spread the Ouroboros so it could mind-control and kill off people.

Resident evil 6 seemed to want to touch more into this plot point by adding more evil players from the government (and the family, perhaps imply they were the ones involved with Umbrella). But given how 6 sucked, this plot point seems to have been dropped for the time being (I didnt watch the animated movies so I cant say if they pick it up there).

There was also the cutscene in the beginning with Leon and president Addams talking about how he's going to reveal the government's connection with Umbrella and how the fallout will likely cause him to resign (or something like that). Then he gets zombified.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

Wasn’t his plan in 5 to spread Ouroboros across the planet and kill off 99% of it?

Yes, Complete Global Saturation and he would rule the survivors as the king of a new race of God Humans.

 

[The handsome tard]

There was also the cutscene in the beginning with Leon and president Addams talking about how he's going to reveal the government's connection with Umbrella and how the fallout will likely cause him to resign (or something like that). Then he gets zombified.

Oh yeah, I legit forgot about that. It was rather very rushed and not very well explained. Apparently the president would do what no president would ever have the guts to do and expose the ruling elites and their horrific deeds and the elites predictably didnt dig the idea...tho instead of just JFK-ing him, they went for something way more convoluted.

Again, this felt like pay off for what the series has been building up behind the scenes and its kind of had the displeasure of its pay off being RE 6...thus no one cared and I almost dare say that, given the lack of any sort of reference to it, 6 might as well be in the "canon but not really" territory. Like, it HAPPENED...but it wont be adknowledged, ever. That includes never bringing back Sherry and Jake back. Not a big lost, the little freak couple always felt like they belonged to a different series anyway...an actual mature Sherry would be struggling with keeping the monstrosity that is G controlled within her or else she becomes a deformed body horror nightmare like her father did (but no, she just has wolverine healing powers...cutscene only tho).

I hate setups with disappointing payoffs...

Yes, Complete Global Saturation and he would rule the survivors as the king of a new race of God Humans.

Wasnt the plan complete total castration/lactation/defication by deploying George Bush into the atmosphere?

Jokes aside, my "headcanon" is that Wesker plan only truly went into super villain territory after Spencer. Think about it, it was Spencer's idea to do this whole God-human business while Wesker never seemed to show interest. Spencer knew he was about to die so he decided to just drop truth bombs about Wesker that would fuck him up psychologically, like telling him he was man-made (we can tell that revelation angered him deeply). I always believed Wesker developted a inferiority complex right there and we can tell that when he says "the right to become a God is now mine" that this became his new goal.

I think the mistake is people assuming that this was always Wesker's plan, it wasnt. It only became this when Spencer planted this in him (perhaps he knew it and this was his way of ending Wesker through psychologically fucking him up). Wesker's goal pretty much became to be what Spencer wanted as a fuck you to his memory.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

I always believed Wesker developted a inferiority complex right there and we can tell that when he says "the right to become a God is now mine" that this became his new goal.

I kind of un-ironically assume that the combination of Viruses/Parasites in his body made him realize that he was in a Video game and needed to be the final boss.

Alternatively

He is Gay for Chris and just has the most insane ways of expressing it.

 

[Kurtis Trent]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but did Spencer even exist before CV/REmake? The mansion is only referred to as "Arklay Mansion" in the original RE1, right?

edit: I wonder what this franchise would have been like if we got 1.5 instead of 2...

edit 2: Oh, they weren't even subtle about how much Wesker wanted Chris by his side in 5.
Excella never stood a chance

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

edit 2: Oh, they weren't even subtle about how much Wesker wanted Chris by his side in 5.

CHRIIIIIIIIIIIISSSS

 

[The handsome tard]

edit: I wonder what this franchise would have been like if we got 1.5 instead of 2...

You would be canon for starters

 

[Syaoran Li]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but did Spencer even exist before CV/REmake? The mansion is only referred to as "Arklay Mansion" in the original RE1, right?

edit: I wonder what this franchise would have been like if we got 1.5 instead of 2...

edit 2: Oh, they weren't even subtle about how much Wesker wanted Chris by his side in 5.
Excella never stood a chance

IIRC, he's first mentioned in one of the EX files for the N64 version of Resident Evil 2, back when Resident Evil Zero was going to be on the N64 and not the Gamecube.

He might've been planned in the early phases of Resident Evil back when the Progenitor Virus was just a "clay virus" that was found in a castle in Europe but I'm fairly sure he didn't get fully developed at all until Code Veronica and REmake/RE0.

After RE3, it seemed like the next arc was a final showdown against Umbrella and possibly also Wesker and HCF. Oswell Spencer was to be the mysterious final villain but his potential got wasted thanks to RE4 and RE5.

To be honest, I only think they decided to finally reveal Spencer in RE5 because they thought it was going to be the last game in the franchise and figured it wouldn't matter if he was killed off as soon as he was introduced.

The events of Code Veronica (and Survivor to a lesser extent) was the extent of how far that plan got until RE4 fucked everything up with its copout opening.

In its earliest phases, Resident Evil 4 was going to be the big finale with Spencer's downfall.

Now, as for the whole eugenics plotline, I think that was planned a lot earlier than RE5 and probably goes as far back as the classic PS1 era.

Resident Evil: Survivor (the only fully canonical Gun Survivor game) pretty much reveals that Umbrella's leadership has a very eugenicist and social Darwinist perspective and Code Veronica was going to lean heavily into Nazisploitation in its earlier drafts and a lot of that is still in the final game itself, albeit toned down.

 

[The handsome tard]

Resident Evil: Survivor (the only fully canonical Gun Survivor game) pretty much reveals that Umbrella's leadership has a very eugenicist and social Darwinist perspective and Code Veronica was going to lean heavily into Nazisploitation in its earlier drafts and a lot of that is still in the final game itself, albeit toned down.

Im so glad they dropped the nazi shit because that would just be so silly to me. It would turn RE into Wolfenstein real damn quick. You can be for eugenics and social darwinism and not be a nazi (shocking, I know)

Besides, I cant see that aging well on today's climate...I can already see the article headlines.

 

[Dom Cruise]

What about the revelations games?

Those fall under the extended canon of the series post Zero.

Basically the prime timeline is any games that followed the original formula of fixed camera angles and "tank controls", once the series moved away from that, I also consider it story wise to be a separate timeline.

Wasn’t his plan in 5 to spread Ouroboros across the planet and kill off 99% of it?

And that's something I take umbrage with, Wesker strikes me as the kind of guy who would release a virus, but then offer up a cure to leverage power, not just release a virus to kill almost everyone, that's just lazy writing.

He's kind of like M Bison in Street Fighter, he wants to take over the world, not destroy it.

His characterization in Code Veronica makes him a bad guy, but one you still kind of want to like, I love him saying "Chris, since you're one of my best men, I'll leave this to you" after trying to fight Alexia, he's not purely "muwahahahaha, I hate you Chris, I hope you die!", he's sarcastically calling him one of his best men, which shows he still kind of begrudgingly respects Chris.

I haven't seen it but the next to last Milla RE movie having Wesker actually team up with the heroes to take on a greater threat seems more true to the character than RE5.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but did Spencer even exist before CV/REmake? The mansion is only referred to as "Arklay Mansion" in the original RE1, right?

That's a bit surprising actually.

Oh yeah, I legit forgot about that. It was rather very rushed and not very well explained. Apparently the president would do what no president would ever have the guts to do and expose the ruling elites and their horrific deeds and the elites predictably didnt dig the idea...tho instead of just JFK-ing him, they went for something way more convoluted.

Again, this felt like pay off for what the series has been building up behind the scenes and its kind of had the displeasure of its pay off being RE 6...thus no one cared and I almost dare say that, given the lack of any sort of reference to it, 6 might as well be in the "canon but not really" territory. Like, it HAPPENED...but it wont be adknowledged, ever. That includes never bringing back Sherry and Jake back. Not a big lost, the little freak couple always felt like they belonged to a different series anyway...an actual mature Sherry would be struggling with keeping the monstrosity that is G controlled within her or else she becomes a deformed body horror nightmare like her father did (but no, she just has wolverine healing powers...cutscene only tho).

I hate setups with disappointing payoffs...

6 is to me is non-canon, something went down in 2013 but we don't know exactly what, maybe just some extended encounters with Chris and the BSAA dealing with bioweapons.

But I don't consider all that crap about The Family and Neo Umbrella to be canon unless it's directly referenced again and I doubt it will be, it is a shame adult Sherry was wasted on 6 and probably couldn't come back without some acknowledgment of 6 but I hope nothing from 6 is referenced again.

Wasnt the plan complete total castration/lactation/defication by deploying George Bush into the atmosphere?

Jokes aside, my "headcanon" is that Wesker plan only truly went into super villain territory after Spencer. Think about it, it was Spencer's idea to do this whole God-human business while Wesker never seemed to show interest. Spencer knew he was about to die so he decided to just drop truth bombs about Wesker that would fuck him up psychologically, like telling him he was man-made (we can tell that revelation angered him deeply). I always believed Wesker developted a inferiority complex right there and we can tell that when he says "the right to become a God is now mine" that this became his new goal.

I think the mistake is people assuming that this was always Wesker's plan, it wasnt. It only became this when Spencer planted this in him (perhaps he knew it and this was his way of ending Wesker through psychologically fucking him up). Wesker's goal pretty much became to be what Spencer wanted as a fuck you to his memory.

That actually makes a fair amount of sense, I like this take.

IIRC, he's first mentioned in one of the EX files for the N64 version of Resident Evil 2, back when Resident Evil Zero was going to be on the N64 and not the Gamecube.

He might've been planned in the early phases of Resident Evil back when the Progenitor Virus was just a "clay virus" that was found in a castle in Europe but I'm fairly sure he didn't get fully developed at all until Code Veronica and REmake/RE0.

After RE3, it seemed like the next arc was a final showdown against Umbrella and possibly also Wesker and HCF. Oswell Spencer was to be the mysterious final villain but his potential got wasted thanks to RE4 and RE5.

To be honest, I only think they decided to finally reveal Spencer in RE5 because they thought it was going to be the last game in the franchise and figured it wouldn't matter if he was killed off as soon as he was introduced.

There was definitely a vibe that 5 was going to be the last game since that was the one where you kill Wesker, I remember being somewhat surprised when 6 was announced and I think that's part of the game's issue is Capcom didn't really know where to take the story after 5, hence why it was such a mess with so many different things slapped together.

I feel like Capcom's modus operandi around that time was to let a series run it's course and then move on to new series, much like how once Onimusha was done, it was done or for the longest time it seemed like Street Fighter was done as far as an all new entry.

Of course that changed, but you can definitely tell that RE was a series they were thinking would have a concrete finale for the longest time.

The events of Code Veronica (and Survivor to a lesser extent) was the extent of how far that plan got until RE4 fucked everything up with its copout opening.

I think because 4 had such a troubled development Mikami just said "fuck it" and focused primarily on the gameplay, not worrying about the story.

In its earliest phases, Resident Evil 4 was going to be the big finale with Spencer's downfall.

Now, as for the whole eugenics plotline, I think that was planned a lot earlier than RE5 and probably goes as far back as the classic PS1 era.

Resident Evil: Survivor (the only fully canonical Gun Survivor game) pretty much reveals that Umbrella's leadership has a very eugenicist and social Darwinist perspective and Code Veronica was going to lean heavily into Nazisploitation in its earlier drafts and a lot of that is still in the final game itself, albeit toned down.

I've said before that I really wish I could hop into an alternate dimension just to see what the original version of 4 would have been like, but at the end of the day I am glad the series kept going.

 

[BlerdBjern]

They already referenced six in the end or Revelations 2.

Also the C-virus atleast was pretty cool... too bad it got such a shit game.