Resident Evil - Virgin Vampire Wine Mom vs Chad Magnetic Lebowski

[Jace on ice]

Yeah but at that point "I surrender, please arrest me" seems like the better option for some of the characters that are seeking money and power instead of being pure fleshy death world cultists. STARS etc. aren't the Hunk type that would execute them if they surrendered.

As far as I know as of the current timeline the only humanoid BOWS that have allowed themselves to be taken by the BSAA have been Ethan and Evangeline Winters.

 

[The handsome tard]

The only real lore question I have is this: after someone like Krauser transforms his arm, can he transform it back? Could Simmons ever go back and work a desk job again?
The evil characters are all aha! Look at this shit! *fuses to wall in a cave, flails tentacles around*
What if they win? Would Excella be stuck being a gross tentacle plant that can't move around?

It is a recurrent trope in the series and depending on the character, it may or may not make that much sense.

Lets see each example of this, that I can recall at least.

1- Birkin was dying from the bullets and he legit expected that the G-Virus would help him. Clearly it didnt as it turned him into that monstrosity where there was almost nothing mentally left of Birkin.

2- Its possible that Krauser could restore his arm back to normal once he was done killing Leon. He really seemed very confident it would work so I doubt he didnt expect that stuff to "retract" back and he would probably have to wait for his arm to grow back possibly. Then again, maybe not as well.

3- Saddler had his plans foiled and his cult was in shambles so I doubt he gave that much of a shit and REALLY wanted to make the american pay for this. Tho his confidence could imply he would have been able to somehow go back to normal but Im not sure.

4- The weapons dealer dude, he already seemed to have a couple of screws loose and Jill clearly threatened him to either take the plagas because getting arrested would probably just lead to Wesker and her getting him killed in prison and Im very sure the dude also saw him turning into a monster as him getting back at the world that always underestimated him (or something around those lines). It wouldnt surprise me if he believed that maybe Jill/Wesker might have been able to cure him if he somehow won.

5- Excella was infected against her will and, honestly, its difficult to imagine she is still mentally there and not just a bunch of plagas. She really doesnt come off to me as the type to do this manuever willingly, probably prefering to get arrested and get bailed out with her resources...not that Wesker was willing to have her getting taken and possibly talking.

6- Simmons was also infected against his will and Im still confused as to why he seemed to be mostly in control of his monstrous self while other characters completely lost themselves or were just barely holding on (like Piers). It was part of a revenge scheme so its even more unlikely that he would be given some version of the virus that would allow this level of control. And Simmons didnt have any sort of contingency in his bloodstream for this situation. I mostly blame this on RE6 shotty writing and the need to have Simmons be a final boss despite him being a very "human" threat all the way through.

7- Iirc, Lucas Baker was a psychopathic freak of which getting infected with the mold simply made him worse. He was given control back at some point before RE7 and he was mostly faking being mentally under Evilene's control (idk how the now ancient looking brat didnt notice it but I digress). With all of this said, it does make sense for him to do a hail mary and just monster-fy himself to fight Chris as Im very sure he didnt care anymore, he was just deranged.

As far as I know as of the current timeline the only humanoid BOWS that have allowed themselves to be taken by the BSAA have been Ethan and Evangeline Winters.

There is also that singing girl from The Darkside Chronicles.

 

[Snekposter]

As far as I know as of the current timeline the only humanoid BOWS that have allowed themselves to be taken by the BSAA have been Ethan and Evangeline Winters.

Ethan had no idea at the time he was a BOW, though, and Evangeline would have still been a baby when the BSAA "politely" requested her mother hand her over. And she's got a 24/7 overwatch team around her with orders to shoot her in case she does anything out of the ordinary.

Also, technically speaking Sherry Birkin would qualify as one, but again, she's not exactly a free woman either considering she's stuck with life as a glowie until something overcomes her regenerative powers and finally kills her, and it sure won't be old age that does it.

TL;DR might as well go out with a bang if your plans for world domination have been halted because the BSAA will almost certainly just kill you and burn your corpse because you're too dangerous to be kept alive.

7- Iirc, Lucas Baker was a psychopathic freak of which getting infected with the mold simply made him worse. He was given control back at some point during before RE7 and he was mostly faking being mentally under Evilene's control (idk how the now ancient looking brat didnt notice it but I digress). With all of this said, it does make sense for him to do a hail mary and just monster-fy himself to fight Chris as Im very sure he didnt care anymore, he was just deranged.

Na, Jack Baker tells you that even Lucas didn't used to be like that in that weird dream scene, so to me it feels like he liked what he wound up becoming under her influence. "Oh wow, I had no idea being an evil dickbag was so much fun!"

 

[The Fair Lady]

Na, Jack Baker tells you that even Lucas didn't used to be like that in that weird dream scene, so to me it feels like he liked what he wound up becoming under her influence. "Oh wow, I had no idea being an evil dickbag was so much fun!"

No, they’re right. Lucas’ journal reveals that there was something wrong with him ever since he was a kid.

https://residentevil.fandom.com/wiki/Lucas%27_Journal

 

[Coldgrip]

I really don't like the idea that the lab accident at the mansion was done by the Queen. I like the idea that it was just an accident, or just never explained. Not everything needs an explanation. Something Kojima really needed to understand.

I was always thought Wesker and Birkin arranged the whole thing. Get combat data, kill off witnesses, cover tracks, start work on the G-virus, ect.

You would need to gut the entire game and start from scratch.

Nah, they'll just add more eliminators to the game.

I was surprised and disappointed that there was no forest portion of that game. Billy and Rebecca having to carefully make their way along the trails while avoiding zombie dogs and other undead was a missed opportunity. Considering how RE0's enemies are primarily just mutated animals, a zombie bear would actually work.

 

[The handsome tard]

Na, Jack Baker tells you that even Lucas didn't used to be like that in that weird dream scene, so to me it feels like he liked what he wound up becoming under her influence. "Oh wow, I had no idea being an evil dickbag was so much fun!"

As @The Fair Lady said, Lucas shown signs that something was mentally wrong with him way before the mold brat came around. What I believe is that Lucas learned to hide his psychopathy in plain sight from his parents (who are, lets face it, humble boomers who wouldnt be too informed and much less imagine their own son was a psycho). Becoming a mold freak just gave him the freedom to be who he always wanted to be.

I assume that if the mold stuff didnt happen, Lucas would have def. moved out and become a serial killer.

Or work for the government, that too.

Nah, they'll just add more eliminators to the game.

I was surprised and disappointed that there was no forest portion of that game. Billy and Rebecca having to carefully make their way along the trails while avoiding zombie dogs and other undead was a missed opportunity. Considering how RE0's enemies are primarily just mutated animals, a zombie bear would actually work.

With how many mutated animals we got in this series, Im shocked that we didnt get a mutated bear at any point.

 

[UnknownUser]

In the case of Simmons mutation. Carla made sure he got a viral dose that changed him slowly so he could watch everything he built fall apart. She's tells him that over the phone. Him turning into a goddamn t-rex and back into a human is retarded, but his mind starts slipping constantly throughout the painfully long fight, eventually he is confusing Carla and Ada up and speaking in an odd poetic way. Then he turns into a giant fly spider thing and I think at point he's just all animal.

 

[The handsome tard]

In the case of Simmons mutation. Carla made sure he got a viral dose that changed him slowly so he could watch everything he built fall apart. She's tells him that over the phone. Him turning into a goddamn t-rex and back into a human is retarded, but his mind starts slipping constantly throughout the painfully long fight, eventually he is confusing Carla and Ada up and speaking in an odd poetic way. Then he turns into a giant fly spider thing and I think at point he's just all animal.

We can all agree that conservation of mass and the square cubic law are just guidelines in the RE universe.

 

[Green Man]

The only real lore question I have is this: after someone like Krauser transforms his arm, can he transform it back? Could Simmons ever go back and work a desk job again?
The evil characters are all aha! Look at this shit! *fuses to wall in a cave, flails tentacles around*
What if they win? Would Excella be stuck being a gross tentacle plant that can't move around?

Always wondered about this myself and wondered if there was a lore reason for so much... for lack of a better term 'mass' to come out of nowhere during transformation. It's a fun thought experiment but I suppose most of us have thought about it way more than the people who came up with it. Another thing of note, since Nemesis and Mr. X are 'programmable' [as in they can be made to seek out certain targets to destroy], what the fuck happens if they accomplish their mission? Do they just wander around aimlessly? Return to base? Or predictably turn on their creator? Nemesis considering his capabilities [climbing, using weapons, target acquisition] seems like he could probably be programmed to return to a given spot, but with Umbrella odds are it would blow up in their faces somehow. Who the hell knows, but it's interesting to think about. There is sort of a precedent set in Code Veronica, after Steve transforms into the huge monster, once he's sufficiently weakened he does return to his normal form only to die with Wesker foreshadowing that he took his corpse for research and it never comes up again. But say Steve doesn't get killed, is he just stuck like that?

Sometimes you have to wonder what the "victory" condition is for the antagonist in an RE game, like in CV even if Alfred Ashford attains his "victory" in the early game by killing all of the protagonists, his island/palace/castle is still fucked because of Wesker's men raiding it, Umbrella is still going to eat shit sooner or later and his sister is still in stasis. Additionally none of the protagonists ever just... fuck off and live life [though this is because Capcom doesn't want to come up with too many new characters], they always get further embroiled in the war against B.O.Ws. The only protagonists I can think of that seemingly fucked off and lived their lives were the survivors from the Outbreak games.

In retrospect maybe it's better that Wesker's foreshadowing about Steve didn't come to fruition, I remember even when the game came out people really didn't like him and public opinion hasn't improved on him since.

 

[Scarthew]

As @The Fair Lady said, Lucas shown signs that something was mentally wrong with him way before the mold brat came around. What I believe is that Lucas learned to hide his psychopathy in plain sight from his parents (who are, lets face it, humble boomers who wouldnt be too informed and much less imagine their own son was a psycho). Becoming a mold freak just gave him the freedom to be who he always wanted to be.

The memo in Lucas' lab makes it clear that he isn't controlled by Evelyn.

 

[Wesker]

I was always thought Wesker and Birkin arranged the whole thing. Get combat data, kill off witnesses, cover tracks, start work on the G-virus, ect.


Nah, they'll just add more eliminators to the game.

I was surprised and disappointed that there was no forest portion of that game. Billy and Rebecca having to carefully make their way along the trails while avoiding zombie dogs and other undead was a missed opportunity. Considering how RE0's enemies are primarily just mutated animals, a zombie bear would actually work.

I'd like the idea Wesker did it and it would fit with the lore that came after that he wants to steal the data and sell it to the opposing company.

A forest section would've been great in Zero. But no, we get drab dusty mansion clone.

 

[Wot Zit Too Yah0996]

@The handsome tard It's likely just a gameplay mechanic in Mercenaries, but I'm assuming Krauser could morph his arm and back again at will. The Remake makes it more complicated, possibly, though.

Although, if Saddler could presumably shift into his King Plaga form, and back again, then yeah, again, I assume Krauser could, too. Mendez, too.

Salazar doesn't count because he wasn't gifted with the kind of Dominant Strain Plaga that made him, at least, super strong and hard to kill: his DSP gifted with him having some kind of hierarchy over the Ganados. It took his merging with his remaining Verdugo bodyguard, and the Queen Plaga, to get all physically monstrous and threatening.

 

[Wesker]

@The handsome tard It's likely just a gameplay mechanic in Mercenaries, but I'm assuming Krauser could morph his arm and back again at will. The Remake makes it more complicated, possibly, though.

Although, if Saddler could presumably shift into his King Plaga form, and back again, then yeah, again, I assume Krauser could, too. Mendez, too.

Salazar doesn't count because he wasn't gifted with the kind of Dominant Strain Plaga that made him, at least, super strong and hard to kill: his DSP gifted with him having some kind of hierarchy over the Ganados. It took his merging with his remaining Verdugo bodyguard, and the Queen Plaga, to get all physically monstrous and threatening.

I would assume anyone with a control plaga or above can manipulate themselves back and forth at will. It's evident Saddler could do that.

Although... Salazar and the Verdugo mating to make that weird dick thing would have trouble reverting in the original game.

 

[Wot Zit Too Yah0996]

I would assume anyone with a control plaga or above can manipulate themselves back and forth at will. It's evident Saddler could do that.

Although... Salazar and the Verdugo mating to make that weird dick thing would have trouble reverting in the original game.

Salazar, without a doubt, made it his last ditch effort to kill Leon. And, yeah, with Saddler, that was my line of thinking, and also, thinking about how he killed Luis.

@Scarthew I liked Bruce, Parker, Sheva, Jake, and Sherry. Another sequel with them would be nice.

 

[Scarthew]

The only protagonists I can think of that seemingly fucked off and lived their lives were the survivors from the Outbreak games.

rebecca and claire. They only get roped into things unwillingly now.

 

[The handsome tard]

[as in they can be made to seek out certain targets to destroy], what the fuck happens if they accomplish their mission? Do they just wander around aimlessly? Return to base? Or predictably turn on their creator? Nemesis considering his capabilities [climbing, using weapons, target acquisition] seems like he could probably be programmed to return to a given spot, but with Umbrella odds are it would blow up in their faces somehow. Who the hell knows, but it's interesting to think about.

Extracting Nemesis would be too dangerous so I imagine they would have left him there to be vaporized by the nuke. They would probably use Nemesis as the basis for more BOW styled assassin I'd imagine.

There is sort of a precedent set in Code Veronica, after Steve transforms into the huge monster, once he's sufficiently weakened he does return to his normal form only to die with Wesker foreshadowing that he took his corpse for research and it never comes up again. But say Steve doesn't get killed, is he just stuck like that?

Its possible that, had he lived, Steve's transformations could be triggered and maybe he would only return to normal after he tires himself out or gets too hurt. But if he would have control when transformed is a whole other story.

It would be interesting to see a what if he lived, I could see Steve being BSAA's equivalent of The Hulk, just in situations where they need caution thrown to the window and throw a big monster at the situation.

Oh and the Redfield bloodline would be assured, Chris can totally get over the mutant babies Claire will have.

In retrospect maybe it's better that Wesker's foreshadowing about Steve didn't come to fruition, I remember even when the game came out people really didn't like him and public opinion hasn't improved on him since.

If the remake was able to make Carlos a more interesting character (tho thats not saying much, Carlos was a pretty meh character in OG RE 3), they could do the same for Steven in a CV remake.

Additionally none of the protagonists ever just... fuck off and live life [though this is because Capcom doesn't want to come up with too many new characters], they always get further embroiled in the war against B.O.Ws.

I assume most surviving characters that never came back did just that. Unless stated otherwise, its safe to assume they are happy and enjoying their lives.

 

[LightDragonman1]

Man, it's hard to believe that it has been 20 years since RE4 was released. To think, the GOTY of 2005 (one of the most underrated years in gaming history) came out a mere week and a half into it.

Still one of my all time favorite games.

 

[Balr0g]

rebecca and claire. They only get roped into things unwillingly now.

Billy from Resident Evil Zero comes to mind. Or was he ever reintroduced later? (I haven't played 6 or the Revelation games so I have a few gaps in the lore)

 

[Scarthew]

Billy from Resident Evil Zero comes to mind. Or was he ever reintroduced later? (I haven't played 6 or the Revelation games so I have a few gaps in the lore)

Bill never came back but honestly 0's story is written in a way that none of it matters because its so bad that it should never be referenced again.

We're expected to believe Rebecca went through the events of 0 and then 2 hours later another very similar mansion event and then suddenly doesn't know what zombies are? 0's also just the worst classic RE game.

 

[Balr0g]

Bill never came back but honestly 0's story is written in a way that none of it matters because its so bad that it should never be referenced again.

We're expected to believe Rebecca went through the events of 0 and then 2 hours later another very similar mansion event and then suddenly doesn't know what zombies are? 0's also just the worst classic RE game.

Yeah that's fair. Rebecca rising from rookie to veteran in one game only to revert back to helpless rookie who looses her freaking gun is really dumb. Also who is to say if Billy actually managed to flee through the Raccoon forest which is probably crawling with monsters (well mostly dogs)