Resurgent Doubts Of Helen Keller’s Authenticity. - Are the zoomers on to something here?

[Exister]

Helen Keller was entirely 100% a puppet for her handler. No way in hell to teach a BORN DEAF AND BLIND person to communicate, they have literally no frame of reference for anything outside of pitch black and random physical stimuli they don't understand from bumping into things and being fed. Anyone who wants to debate me must first explain how the fuck she would understand anything at all.

 

[Kosher Dill]

I thought this was going to be about "The Frost King".

 

[BScCollateral]

There's reason to be suspicious, given she withdrew considerably on the death of her handler. On the other hand, she might have spent the rest of her life grieving.
I think it's literally impossible to settle the matter at this point.

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

To Hellen Keller? I'm sure some people want retarded jewish milkers

Helen Keller's family were Swiss-American gentiles from Alabama.

 

[Sparkling Yuzu]

To Hellen Keller? I'm sure some people want retarded jewish milkers

She was not Jewish, she was white and of at least normal intelligence. The deafness and blindness was from having meningitis or scarlet fever at 19 months old.

Keller's father worked for many years as an editor of the Tuscumbia North Alabamian. He had served as a captain in the Confederate Army.[The family were part of the slaveholding elite before the war, but lost status later. Her mother was the daughter of Charles W. Adams, a Confederate general.

Keller's paternal lineage was traced to Casper Keller, a native of Switzerland. One of Helen's Swiss ancestors was the first teacher for the deaf in Zurich. Keller reflected on this fact in her first autobiography, asserting that "there is no king who has not had a slave among his ancestors, and no slave who has not had a king among his".

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No way in hell to teach a BORN DEAF AND BLIND person to communicate, they have literally no frame of reference for anything outside of pitch black and random physical stimuli they don't understand from bumping into things and being fed.

She wasn't born that way, she lost her eyesight and hearing from an infection as a toddler.

 

[Chuck McGill]

I did always think it was a bit weird that the technique was never replicated again. I think Keller might have been involved with some push to get Braille books in libraries, but it never sat right with me that whatever Anne Sullivan did was never replicated, and there is no "Keller/Sullivan technique" that we still use today. If I was going to be as optimistic as possible, I still wouldn't be able to look past the fact that Sullivan devised an entirely new technique to speak with the blind and deaf and permitted this knowledge to die with her.

 

[Optimum Cockfag]

To Hellen Keller? I'm sure some people want retarded jewish milkers

It's OK, I was thinking of Anne Frank too

 

[VeteranOfTheRetardWars]

She was basically Coco the gorilla mixed with Greta Thunberg. Just a non-communicative retard to (supposedly) parrot your beliefs, and the best part is they literally can't argue with you because they were BLIND and DEAF from BIRTH.

 

[Oddjob OTP]

This is cool and all, but I'm still baffled by the fact that nobody ever questions the facts surrounding the extinction of the passenger pigeon. Supposedly they would fly in flocks of literal billions and somehow people shooting at them with guns from the ground drove them to extinction in only a few decades.

So called "Passenger Pigeons" were an early flawed model of "Bird" used by the CIA that has since been rotated out of service due to defects in the design.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

She wasn't born that way, she lost her eyesight and hearing from an infection as a toddler.

I can't remember anything from 19 months, and it's hard to imagine trying to translate what a 19-month-old already knows into a proper look-and-feel technique.

The "Helen Keller was faking it" seems a bit far-fetched, even Family Guy used it in a cutaway gag but I find it implausible that someone could keep up a grift for as long as she did.

 

[Pedophobe]

Given that modern forms of Facilitated Communication used with significantly less disabled children are inevitably revealed to be fraudulent I'm pretty skeptical about the whole thing.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

Apparently, according to Wikipedia, she got her eyes replaced with glass "circa 1911"...which I honestly find hard to believe.

Now, I may be completely wrong on this and I admit I cross-referenced with other Wikipedia articles on the subject but to have glass eye surgery for cosmetic reasons (apparently one of her eyes stuck out a bit much) sounds like an incredibly invasive and expensive surgery for that time, which means that both eyes would be removed (and even assuming they were non-functional, there's still nerve endings) and replaced with glass ones, which were imported from Germany at the time (again, expensive). The process would probably involve cauterizing the nerve endings to prevent infections, but general anesthesia was still rare and not universal, and chloroforming patients was risky.

A major operation like that would be something that you wouldn't tend to forget when it happened...yet it's so poorly documented it's just "circa" 1911? Something's not adding up.

 

[cybertoaster]

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There are people who think this is entertaining? funny? insightful?

 

[Constellationzero]

Jesus Tapdancing Christ...

How do you mAkE tHiS sHit uP??

 

[Amaranthy]

It's OK, I was thinking of Anne Frank too

Thats exactly where my thoughts were. still I think there's a giant market for retard milkers

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

Thats exactly where my thoughts were. still I think there's a giant market for retard milkers

Farms After Dark - "where 'tard cum' takes on a whole new meaning!"

 

[doomocract]

About time I saw thread for Helen Keller. I deaf, find her stuff deep impossible. If blind I say bye to life.

There no way she was able understand anything. Probably propaganda -- everyone who deaf is stupid, so if blind no right to existence.

 

[BScCollateral]

Given that modern forms of Facilitated Communication used with significantly less disabled children are inevitably revealed to be fraudulent I'm pretty skeptical about the whole thing.

By all accounts she was a normal kid until she lost her sight and hearing. I suspect a lot of it depends on how much linguistic development she was able to get before she got ill. And this is very much an unplumbed subject, mostly relying on kids found wandering the countryside of France or severe cases of child abuse.

 

[Harbinger of Kali Yuga]

Helen Keller was a real Pinball Wizard

 

[Sparkling Yuzu]

I can't remember anything from 19 months, and it's hard to imagine trying to translate what a 19-month-old already knows into a proper look-and-feel technique.

She didn't start with Sullivan til she was 6. Before that, she had created her own personal sign language to communicate with her friend Marsha Washington. Sullivan taught her fingerspelling on her palm and that's how she learned her vocabulary before going to Perkins, along with lip reading by feeling her face.
The biographies say "manual sign language", it means fingerspelling and has been around much longer than actual sign languages like ASL. ASL is actually its own language with grammar more similar to French than English where Anne would have taught her to fingerspell in English:

"Unlike sign languages, manually coded languages are signed versions of spoken or written languages. Fingerspelling, a form of manually coded language, has been in use for centuries."

https://onlineexhibits.library.yale.edu/s/deaf-culture/page/manual-systems

https://archive.ph/xglJt

Given that modern forms of Facilitated Communication used with significantly less disabled children are inevitably revealed to be fraudulent I'm pretty skeptical about the whole thing.

FC was 100 percent baloney but I don't think Keller can be compared to that. HK was not retarded, FC is for vegetables and the profoundly retarded, completely nonverbal ultratards. HK's childhood illness damaged her ability to see and hear but she was born normal and not some tard baby homunculus.

I did always think it was a bit weird that the technique was never replicated again. I think Keller might have been involved with some push to get Braille books in libraries, but it never sat right with me that whatever Anne Sullivan did was never replicated, and there is no "Keller/Sullivan technique" that we still use today.

Except she used standard Braille, lip-reading (through touch) and fingerspelling which has been used for centuries before modern sign languages were invented. The only difference in technique was fingerspelling on her palm because she was blind and couldn't see the signs.

Just a non-communicative retard to (supposedly) parrot your beliefs, and the best part is they literally can't argue with you because they were BLIND and DEAF from BIRTH.

That's literally not true. She was not born retarded and only lost her vision and hearing from an infection as a toddler. And she was communicative, she communicated in manual sign (fingerspelling) and Braille. She probably had at least average iq.