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Pretty much the reason to i want to get this would be to play 24 hour cinderella on the go
Retro games and emulation - Discuss retro shit in case you're stuck in the past or a hipster
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Modern Vintage Gamer's being a tard today:
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And the commenters are not happy. The top four comments right now are:
The title of the video is not true: this is a video about something called a Polymega, which is a modular emulation machine that runs original cartridges. Emulation, not clone hardware.
"Okay, but what the fuck is the difference?"
The difference between them is that clone hardware uses newly-produced chips, often all-in-one designs, that only do what their target system did as accurately as possible. For example: The NES used a CPU that was based on the ever-popular MOS 6502, but wasn't exactly that - it used the 2A03 (2A07 for PAL), a variant that stripped a few of 6502's features and implemented some of its own. Obviously, this was produced specifically for the NES, so you can't just buy new ones off of the shelf, so it's up to you to build out your own. The schematics and photos of the uncapped die are out there, so, you could just remake them in an FPGA, submit your redesigns to a chip fab plant, and have them produce your own remake of your favorite console. Only, of course, it's a hell of a lot more expensive and complicated to do that, and a lot more can go wrong.
The entire point of doing ALL OF THAT is to eliminate a lot of small problems that most people would never notice. No interpretation layers to go through between your input and the game means no input lag. Direct hardware access between the cartridge and console eliminates the emulator's need to play whack-a-mole with edge cases, like how Game Boy emulation has been a thing forever, but you couldn't run Game Boy Camera until the mid 2010s. That's an obvious example, but that also covers games with odd chip layouts, or problems, or whatever the hell.
Emulation, on the other hand, means it's running something like an open source emulator in a cheap SoC running SunXi, like so many modern plug-and-play clones do. Or maybe something along the lines of an Android phone. Regardless, anything running emulation is a guarantee that you won't get any kind of better experience than what you can get for a desktop computer, so it's not exciting at all. If you watch Modern Vintage Gamer, you're more than likely a person who already has a little emulation setup by way of a hacked console, a Raspberry Pi, or even just a PC full of emulators. There's nothing an emulator box can do that you can't already do, aside from playing cartridges, which you have the ROMs of already.
Now, with all of that out of the way, let's laugh at MVG doubling down.
Johnny Wednesday's taking no shit (and he's right). Watch as MVG ignores whatever's inconvenient and just replies to the opening of Johnny's post:
According to MVG, all that's required to call something a clone console is the ability to plug in original software and controllers. I'm glad to know that every single computer I've ever owned with a CD-ROM drive, that's able to support Bleem! and a USB controller adapter, can be considered a PlayStation clone console.
The odd thing is, MVG actually has chops in emulation. He did a video about his port of SNES9X to the original Xbox, and how he worked on the emulator running within Shantae GBC on Switch. Yeah, he's probably selling out to Polymega.
Also, hearting smug comments like this doesn't help:
But while I was writing this all out, he changed the title and thumbnail:
And here's the current live video:
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"he's been a laughing stock on IRC all day" - wait, where? Could MVG potentially be a cow?
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And the commenters are not happy. The top four comments right now are:
The title of the video is not true: this is a video about something called a Polymega, which is a modular emulation machine that runs original cartridges. Emulation, not clone hardware.
"Okay, but what the fuck is the difference?"
The difference between them is that clone hardware uses newly-produced chips, often all-in-one designs, that only do what their target system did as accurately as possible. For example: The NES used a CPU that was based on the ever-popular MOS 6502, but wasn't exactly that - it used the 2A03 (2A07 for PAL), a variant that stripped a few of 6502's features and implemented some of its own. Obviously, this was produced specifically for the NES, so you can't just buy new ones off of the shelf, so it's up to you to build out your own. The schematics and photos of the uncapped die are out there, so, you could just remake them in an FPGA, submit your redesigns to a chip fab plant, and have them produce your own remake of your favorite console. Only, of course, it's a hell of a lot more expensive and complicated to do that, and a lot more can go wrong.
The entire point of doing ALL OF THAT is to eliminate a lot of small problems that most people would never notice. No interpretation layers to go through between your input and the game means no input lag. Direct hardware access between the cartridge and console eliminates the emulator's need to play whack-a-mole with edge cases, like how Game Boy emulation has been a thing forever, but you couldn't run Game Boy Camera until the mid 2010s. That's an obvious example, but that also covers games with odd chip layouts, or problems, or whatever the hell.
Emulation, on the other hand, means it's running something like an open source emulator in a cheap SoC running SunXi, like so many modern plug-and-play clones do. Or maybe something along the lines of an Android phone. Regardless, anything running emulation is a guarantee that you won't get any kind of better experience than what you can get for a desktop computer, so it's not exciting at all. If you watch Modern Vintage Gamer, you're more than likely a person who already has a little emulation setup by way of a hacked console, a Raspberry Pi, or even just a PC full of emulators. There's nothing an emulator box can do that you can't already do, aside from playing cartridges, which you have the ROMs of already.
Now, with all of that out of the way, let's laugh at MVG doubling down.
Johnny Wednesday's taking no shit (and he's right). Watch as MVG ignores whatever's inconvenient and just replies to the opening of Johnny's post:
According to MVG, all that's required to call something a clone console is the ability to plug in original software and controllers. I'm glad to know that every single computer I've ever owned with a CD-ROM drive, that's able to support Bleem! and a USB controller adapter, can be considered a PlayStation clone console.
The odd thing is, MVG actually has chops in emulation. He did a video about his port of SNES9X to the original Xbox, and how he worked on the emulator running within Shantae GBC on Switch. Yeah, he's probably selling out to Polymega.
Also, hearting smug comments like this doesn't help:
But while I was writing this all out, he changed the title and thumbnail:
And here's the current live video:
edit:
"he's been a laughing stock on IRC all day" - wait, where? Could MVG potentially be a cow?
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THEY STOLE MY FORESKIN
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In my opinion I always thought MVG came off as a bit of a smartass. I liked watching his more technical videos but it was quite common for him to get very simple stuff wrong, sometimes even more than once in the same video, and then have to correct himself in the comments or have someone else correct him (which he didn't always acknowledge). It was puzzling to me because it seems like he has been working with games for a long time and he likes to praise himself as an important somebody in the OG Xbox homebrew scene (just look how often he puts "I made this" or "I did X" in the thumbnails), which makes it seem like he's qualified to talk about technicalities, but then he pronounces Lua (the programming language) as L-U-A and says FPGA is emulation even though he's already talked about this in other videos
I honestly find it hard to take people that don't know how to admit they don't know something seriously.
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Darn I liked MVG. He's not too bad.
I guess I can now call my shitty rpi1 arcade cabinet a N64 clone because it can run Mario kart 64 at 12 fps.
I guess I can now call my shitty rpi1 arcade cabinet a N64 clone because it can run Mario kart 64 at 12 fps.
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GBxRW to salvage saves and roms off decades old games especially if battery save and internal clock requires a battery which will die. Great way to preserve your games and roms importing save data is also useful if you want to be a full autismo and play your Crystal team in Pokemon Stadium 2 (Great game if enjoy wrong kind of challenge, RNG is actively against you. You need min maxed team from your own game with competitive moves.
If you're special kind of autist you can emulate your GB games and link via IP address directly on MyOldBoy on android that's always a option if you don't want to shell out shekels to Nintendo
If you're special kind of autist you can emulate your GB games and link via IP address directly on MyOldBoy on android that's always a option if you don't want to shell out shekels to Nintendo
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MVG: "Everyone else is in the wrong and can't get over the wording that I used, and also people from other outlets and videos used that same wording so I'm 100% in the clear"
Keep digging that hole, buddy.
Road Work Ahead
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If he just would've gone "My bad, it's not a clone console. Sorry for the mix up", no one but the most hardcore autist would give a shit and it would have blown over in an hour, but nope, just got to keep digging that hole.
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Either that or just admit he's being sponsered by Polymega. Most other Youtubers announce when they work with a specific product, so why not him? Unless he did and I just missed it cause I didn't watch the video (these kind of machines aren't my thing).
Also he's posted about Byuu in the past and I swear you can always tell when someones a bit retarded online just from this event lmao. I'll believe the guy talking about IRC days.
All I wanted to watch was some retro console development...
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Duckstation requires *.cue files, but there's a cue file generator on romhacking.net so it's no big deal.
PSXCueGenerator
PSXCueGenerator 1.1.0.26714 + Source Coded by: Shawn M. Crawford [sleepy9090] January 13, 2018
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Wonder what that like to dislike is looking like on the video. Fucking YouTube.
Also consider me among the non technical normies that got half fooled by the video. When he started talking about emulation my reaction was "oh is that how these things work? Then who the fuck buys these pointless clone consoles instead of using a pc to emulate?". He's not the first guy who holds himself out as an expert that made himself look like a fool among the true nerds. Sad to see, I thought he put out some good videos in the past.
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I didn't answer because I honestly didn't know, but I personally use .pbp files for the handful of PS1 games I emulate. They're nice because they're the format you use to get them to work on PSPs & Vitas, and you can merge multi-disc games into one file. Search for PSX2PSP if you want to build out your own.
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This is the lamest excuse ever. "But braindead vidya journos also call it a clone!" No one expects anything from those people anymore, they are the definition of shills that skims the press release they get and then put the bolded words in their shitty writeup.
Him calling LUA L-U-A I have no problem with, he probably learned a lot of things himself and only saw it in text/chat. Self-taught people like that have some wonky pronounciations sometimes, no shame in it.
Him calling LUA L-U-A I have no problem with, he probably learned a lot of things himself and only saw it in text/chat. Self-taught people like that have some wonky pronounciations sometimes, no shame in it.
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It’s about 8k like to 702 dislike at the moment.
Related: It annoys the everloving shit out of me when people call SQL “sequel”.
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Ok but he didn't answer the most important question, does this n64 ripoff come in Jungle Green and Ice Blue?
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This guy has always given off a smug know it all kind of aura. At least in his videos, I don't know about his twitter (because I don't use twitter)
The fact that he's calling a shitty emulation box a clone console is funny. N64 emulation is quite behind compared to other consoles, so I definitely wouldn't want to be shackled to a shitty imitation box that might not have compatibility with more obscure titles.
I'd argue the N64 is actually the console most in need of a clone system like the retrousb AVS as for the NES. So just to mislabel some shitty emulation box as "the first" clone system of the N64 is doing future projects for the N64 a disservice, and just misinforming in general. But, gotta get that sponsorship money I guess.
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n64 when it comes to secondhand hardware, almost always wind up being sold no matter how much a store has in stock. It's not some pokemon card rush hype around it, but people will still buy original hardware and it's a reliable sale. So anything that can be a cheaper or more covenant alternative to the real thing would definitely do well.
The whole generation n64,Playstation, saturn, need better alternatives when it comes to physical hardware just because how damage prone a ton of the hardware is.
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I hope he's not doing a Jon Burton and is financially tied to the project in some way.
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All we need is youtube to take down emulation videos just like they did with gun vids and a whole load of people are fucked.
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I'm going to assume you mean actual CDs(and DVDs). Blu-ray are actually made of a slightly 'harder' material/more efficient plastic layer and can use a real cleaning solution, but it's a whole other discussion.
Don't use raw isoprop because raw alcohol will damage the polycarbonate used on pretty much all CDs and DVDs by making it more fragile, more brittle and prone to cracking over time as it dries atop it, mix it instead. Use a solution of 1:1 IPA and water. Ideally 99% isoprop, but 91% will do as well. Wet a portion of your cloth with the mixture, dab onto the disc, the whole thing, not just the smudges. Let it sit for like, a minute, use your best judgement for how bad the smudges are, to be softened/broken up a bit.
To dry, wipe in clean strokes vertically from the center, out to the edge of the disc. don't use circular motions or you'll rub whatever dried cum and boogers and smoker phlegm mixture is on it, into the disc, and potentially cause scratches or more smudges.
If your discs have scratches (and don't work after a simple cleaning), resurfacing may be a wise choice, but you can do it yourself, at home. Assuming they're not seriously deep gashes. Those are just fucked, bin 'em.
Chances are you had a local video store/games rental place with a 'disc cleaner', right? There's one brand called a "Disc Go Devil" that was popular the entire world over, from japan to france to poland to germany to china, australia and the USA. It was also the brand blockbuster used for any americans who may remember them. That's the sort of resurfacing they mean. You know what those machines do? They squirt brasso or a proprietary "polishing liquid" which is just a more particularly formulated polishing solution, and buff out scratches. That's not an oversimplification either. I'll attach a picture of one. It's two buffing pads, a motor, and a liquid dispenser.
Go buy a can/bottle of brasso, and buff the scratches out by dabbing the brasso on the disc with a soft rag, and wipe the same way you did to dry it when cleaning smudges. As the brasso dries out, or gets wiped off the disc, add a bit more. Repeat until the scratches fade or disappear. Make sure you're buffing the disc as evenly as you can, or you'll have problems trying to read it after (because you've removed layers of plastic in some spots and not others, it can be just as bad as a scratch)
Safety tip, please do your best not get brasso or any other polishing liquid on your skin. It's like sandpaper so fine it's become a liquid. It can cause caustic burns. Wear an old sock on your hand if need be, though any old nitrile gloves will do.
