(((Richard B. Spencer))) - Child Porn Supporting "Founder" of the "Alt-Right", Cucked by ANTIFA, Soyboy, ALLEGED Wife Beater

[4str4staleatherbelt]

>violence to create a state is bad

Ah yes the very peaceful European colonisation of America and the blood-free American Revolution.

 

[KimCoppolaAficionado]

>violence to create a state is bad

Ah yes the very peaceful European colonisation of America and the blood-free American Revolution.

1. The Westward expansion and the Indian wars usually involved morally wrong actions (such as the violation of standing treaties), but they've already happened.
2. There is a serious difference between a revolt against a government and ethnic cleansing, and the fact that you're trying to draw a comparison between the two tells me you're either shitposting, incredibly stupid, or a supporter of ethnic cleansing.

 

[The Reaper]

I think it's highly questionable that he would be better than Soros if he actually had Soros's power and influence. He'll never be more than a circus side show crank though, so it's pointless to wonder too much about it.

I think we all know what Richie would be funding if he had his pockets filled like Soros...

Spoiler

 

[byuu]

The only other way they cold theoretically get some of their ethnostate is to offer monetary incentives to leave,

They can have their ethnostate right now. If that's what they really want.
They just need to move to Poland. It's like 99.9% White.

But they don't. They don't actually want an ethnostate, they just want to keep jerking off about how kicking out all Blacks will magically fix every problem in the country. That's easier than dealing with a complex reality that requires complex solutions.

 

[Manwithn0n0men]

Even Spencer has never called for the extermination of any group of people

Because you dont open with that

 

[The best and greatest]

I think we all know what Richie would be funding if he had his pockets filled like Soros...

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WHY DOESN'T MY DEVIANT BUTTON WORK!?!?!?!?

Seriously Ol' Richie looks like their dad...

 

[Revo]

WHY DOESN'T MY DEVIANT BUTTON WORK!‽‽‽?

Seriously Ol' Richie looks like their dad...

Because you're not a mod/admin.

 

[AgriDrThunder]

That's easier than dealing with a complex reality that requires complex solutions.

Preach borther, these really are complex problems that require complex solutions.

We're gonna need to concentrate our efforts in coming up with these solutions. Sometimes retreats can help in developing such a focus. Perhaps we can consider building said retreats, complexes if you will, for these complex problems. We could call them something catchy, maybe concentration camps or something.

 

[The Last Stand]

They can have their ethnostate right now. If that's what they really want.
They just need to move to Poland. It's like 99.9% White.

According to this, Poland wants their immigrants to have a resident permit, education and job to start. I doubt many of the alt-right has an education or job to start with. Oh, and they would need to learn a new language. They're welcome to leave and try their existing ethnostate.

 

[bread n circuses]

Because you dont open with that

Spencer doesn't have any decorum or self control. His real beliefs are that he should rule over brown people, and he's pretty clear about it.

 

[4str4staleatherbelt]

2. There is a serious difference between a revolt against a government and ethnic cleansing, and the fact that you're trying to draw a comparison between the two tells me you're either shitposting, incredibly stupid, or a supporter of ethnic cleansing.

Either/or fallacy.

What if the ethnic cleansing was in part a revolt against government like say the Haitian Revolution? Also, by the UN's definition it isn't inherently violent. Yhe goal of ethnostaters isn't to reclaim the entirety of America cause that's impossible. It's to carve out a peace of it for white people. And preferably an area that's already majority white, limit immigration, and bribe people to leave. Engaging in active, violent ethnic cleansing instead of subtle non-violent ways, like what is being done to Europe and North America, is opening yourself to being invaded by foreign forces. Probably to "bring democracy" as we're always told.

 

[KingQueen]

But that's not true! Once the inferior races are out of the way, Europeans are totally peaceful and generous to each other!
>This is what WN actually believe

Not sure this is true. From the ones I've known, they believe constant violent conflict is healthy "competition" for humans, due to their dumbed-down understanding of Darwin.

 

[PimpKramer]

They just need to move to Poland. It's like 99.9% White.

What's funny to me is how often these types jerk off to the various Eastern European nations, talk about moving there and generally act as if they'd be accepted there because they're "muh white brothers". This classification of white only exists in the new world while in Europe it's ethnicity that is central to identity meaning that a white American is just as foreign as an Arab so if you think mass migration but with Americans would be accepted you're exceptional.

White nationalists try to glue this racial solidarity onto Europe and ignore that there's been genocides within living memory among the same race (Yugoslavia statistically was a racial state but it broke up into ethnostates with the Serbs, Bosniaks and Croats all at each other's throats) and get laughed at for being re.tarded. There's an organisation in Italy which provides assistance to Italians in poverty and only Italians, no half/quarter Italians, no 100% Aryans fighting clownworld.

There was a recent article in the NY Times called "I Will Never Be German" which I'll share some excerpts of which prove my point:

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As a white professional American woman living in Munich, I admittedly live as a privileged “expat.” And I have come to terms with the fact that I will forever be an outsider in my adopted home, even with a German son and husband.
The reason is simple: I do not share the language, the history and the deep cultural understanding to truly fit in.

My dad is Turkish and came to Germany as a child with his parents, who were guest workers in the 1960s. My mother is a white German.
There’s the constant assumption that you do not belong, or that you do not identify with Germany like others around you. This in a way becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy — if people tell you that you do not fully belong often enough, you start to wonder whether you do actually belong to the place where you were born and have lived your whole life.
Your alleged non-Germanness is also emphasized. Nobody would describe us as “half-German,” for example, but as “half-Turkish,” as if that were the dominant side.

(There's a lot of talk in this article about "whiteness" and "white German" which is ridiculous)

Furthermore, the current wave of populism sweeping Europe is fundamentally incompatible with Spencer's white imperium. The populists want to maintain their nation, look after their own and cooperate with their allies in the continent not create some stupid racial empire. It was these same nationalists/populists (Hungary & Poland) who got him banned from almost the whole EU after all

 

[Based Papa John]

What's funny to me is how often these types jerk off to the various Eastern European nations, talk about moving there and generally act as if they'd be accepted there because they're "muh white brothers". This classification of white only exists in the new world while in Europe it's ethnicity that is central to identity meaning that a white American is just as foreign as an Arab so if you think mass migration but with Americans would be accepted you're exceptional.

White nationalists try to glue this racial solidarity onto Europe and ignore that there's been genocides within living memory among the same race (Yugoslavia statistically was a racial state but it broke up into ethnostates with the Serbs, Bosniaks and Croats all at each other's throats) and get laughed at for being re.tarded. There's an organisation in Italy which provides assistance to Italians in poverty and only Italians, no half/quarter Italians, no 100% Aryans fighting clownworld.

Furthermore, the current wave of populism sweeping Europe is fundamentally incompatible with Spencer's white imperium. The populists want to maintain their nation, look after their own and cooperate with their allies in the continent not create some stupid racial empire. It was these same nationalists/populists (Hungary & Poland) who got him banned from almost the whole EU after all

This.

The 21st century understanding of "whiteness" is not at all what it was understood to be centuries ago. Today, an Anglo, an Italian, an Irishman, and sometimes even a Jew can all be considered "white" in the United States just because they aren't "brown." In the 19th century, There is no way any of the latter three would be considered "white." Catholic immigrants were viewed as a threat to the United States on a political, spiritual, and racial level, which is why the Know-Nothings and eventually the second iteration of the Klan opposed immigration from those countries. Why? Because "wops" and "potato niggers" brought crime and tended to ghettoize. Most of the stereotypes applied to Muslim migrants were applied to Catholic immigrants (and not without cause). No way would Nicky Fuentes be considered a good, white American in the 19th century.

This is why this pan-white activist LARPing is so cringe. It has little to no basis in history. The West's best hope is to re-establish older national identities (e.g., Brexit), and European populists seem to have the best chance of salvaging the nation state. The Spencerian ethnostate could only be conceived by someone incredibly naive of European and American history.

 

[Doctor Placebo]

White nationalists try to glue this racial solidarity onto Europe and ignore that there's been genocides within living memory among the same race (Yugoslavia statistically was a racial state but it broke up into ethnostates with the Serbs, Bosniaks and Croats all at each other's throats) and get laughed at for being re.tarded.

Whether you consider all the different ethnic groups of Yugoslavia the "same" race or not, they sure as hell didn't, even before Yugoslavia broke up. Read up on on what the Croatian Ustashe did to the Serbs during WW2. They targeted them for ethnic cleansing worse than the Jews (the Ustashe were Hitler's allies). In fact, the Catholic Ustashe were mostly okay with Bosnian Muslims, while Orthodox Serbs were considered subhuman, which is the exact opposite of what you'd probably expect from "fellow Christians."

This is a big problem with ethnostate wanking, the lines are a lot blurrier than ethnonationalists pretend they are, and are constantly shifting with the politics of the times.

The 21st century understanding of "whiteness" is not at all what it was understood to be centuries ago. Today, an Anglo, an Italian, an Irishman, and sometimes even a Jew can all be considered "white" in the United States just because they aren't "brown." In the 19th century, There is no way any of the latter three would be considered "white." Catholic immigrants were viewed as a threat to the United States on a political, spiritual, and racial level, which is why the Know-Nothings and eventually the second iteration of the Klan opposed immigration from those countries. Why? Because "wops" and "potato niggers" brought crime and tended to ghettoize. Most of the stereotypes applied to Muslim migrants were applied to Catholic immigrants (and not without cause). No way would Nicky Fuentes be considered a good, white American in the 19th century.

To be fair, unlike Spencer, Fuentes has never called for an ethnostate. He's called for a drastic reduction of legal immigration (I don't believe he's for more immigration of white Europeans either) on top of combating illegal immigration and he's called for more racially conscious activism among white people in America and promoting policies to try and keep America majority white (like he's said that raising white birth rates should be promoted, but he's kind of vague about how, as he is with a lot of things which is one of several issues I take with Fuentes), but he hasn't called for mass expulsion or relocation of black people, or Hispanics who immigrated legally or anything like that.

The key difference between Spencer and Fuentes is that Fuentes is actually pretty savvy at maneuvering in the political and demographic realities that exists in the USA and is starting to become an effective activist because of it, while Spencer is completely ret@rded and has been making a non-stop series of disastrous missteps since the first day he started getting mainstream attention.

 

[James Edwin]

Racial lines are as much a social construct as money is. It only exists because people says it does.

This idea that ~'Western culture'~ didn't have massive racial barriers between culturally different flavors of white is a bad faith historical revision designed to manipulate idiots into a yearning reverence for a time that literally never existed. Anyone with a middle school education can see that I'm stating the obvious though.

It's conservatism dreaming of what never was.

 

[Pomniman]

This.

The 21st century understanding of "whiteness" is not at all what it was understood to be centuries ago. Today, an Anglo, an Italian, an Irishman, and sometimes even a Jew can all be considered "white" in the United States just because they aren't "brown." In the 19th century, There is no way any of the latter three would be considered "white." Catholic immigrants were viewed as a threat to the United States on a political, spiritual, and racial level, which is why the Know-Nothings and eventually the second iteration of the Klan opposed immigration from those countries. Why? Because "wops" and "potato niggers" brought crime and tended to ghettoize. Most of the stereotypes applied to Muslim migrants were applied to Catholic immigrants (and not without cause). No way would Nicky Fuentes be considered a good, white American in the 19th century.

This is why this pan-white activist LARPing is so cringe. It has little to no basis in history. The West's best hope is to re-establish older national identities (e.g., Brexit), and European populists seem to have the best chance of salvaging the nation state. The Spencerian ethnostate could only be conceived by someone incredibly naive of European and American history.

To me one of the most ironic things about "white" nationalism as a concept is that it fundamentally revolves around a postmodern interpretation of "whiteness" while making LARPy overtures towards an imagined kind of traditionalism. Like you said, a more generalized kind of populist nationalism, maybe even with some elements of isolationism, would be a more realistic and coherent ostensibly conservative political position than pretending all superficially "white" Europeans and Americans are going to magically align with one another against muh evil shitskins and kikes.

 

[PimpKramer]

Whether you consider all the different ethnic groups of Yugoslavia the "same" race or not, they sure as hell didn't, even before Yugoslavia broke up.

That's my point, the existence of these ethnic conflicts directly refute the "no more brother wars"/"we're all white" types. White racial solidarity like WNs dream of does not exist.

 

[AltisticRight]

That's my point, the existence of these ethnic conflicts directly refute the "no more brother wars"/"we're all white" types. White racial solidarity like WNs dream of does not exist.

Many of these types would only consider nordic and anglos "white", the rest are niggers to them. They unironically think that the Irish, Slavs, and the Finnish aren't white.
A good response would be "your mum fucked a nigger" and go on with your day.

 

[Doctor Placebo]

Racial lines are as much a social construct as money is. It only exists because people says it does.

This idea that ~'Western culture'~ didn't have massive racial barriers between culturally different flavors of white is a bad faith historical revision designed to manipulate idiots into a yearning reverence for a time that literally never existed. Anyone with a middle school education can see that I'm stating the obvious though.

It's conservatism dreaming of what never was.

The "Pan White Nationalist" idea (that's probably the best way to describe it) came about because of leftists increasingly portraying racial issues as white people vs. everyone else and society increasingly buying into it, so a bunch of people (mostly unhappy marginalized dudes with low impulse control and not too much smarts) decided to play for the opposite team of the big bad, white union of historical oppressors as portrayed by the left. The alt-right owes at least as much if not more of their attitudes about racial politics to the current anti-white left as they do to the more "traditional" older racist groups like the KKK who also hated Catholics, or the Nazis who considered Slavic people subhuman.

This isn't unique to the alt-right or to racist whites either. Look at the original Pan African Nationalism, a concept that was started by blacks in America and the Caribbean who were completely divorced from old African tribal conflicts.