(((Richard B. Spencer))) - Child Porn Supporting "Founder" of the "Alt-Right", Cucked by ANTIFA, Soyboy, ALLEGED Wife Beater

[Based Papa John]

To be fair, unlike Spencer, Fuentes has never called for an ethnostate. He's called for a drastic reduction of legal immigration (I don't believe he's for more immigration of white Europeans either) on top of combating illegal immigration and he's called for more racially conscious activism among white people in America and promoting policies to try and keep America majority white (like he's said that raising white birth rates should be promoted, but he's kind of vague about how, as he is with a lot of things which is one of several issues I take with Fuentes), but he hasn't called for mass expulsion or relocation of black people, or Hispanics who immigrated legally or anything like that.

Nicky certainly isn't the worst person on the alt-right, to be sure. But, as you said, he tends to engage in vagueries that expand his appeal but absolves him of presenting anything concrete.

This idea that ~'Western culture'~ didn't have massive racial barriers between culturally different flavors of white is a bad faith historical revision designed to manipulate idiots into a yearning reverence for a time that literally never existed. Anyone with a middle school education can see that I'm stating the obvious though.

To me one of the most ironic things about "white" nationalism as a concept is that it fundamentally revolves around a postmodern interpretation of "whiteness" while making LARPy overtures towards an imagined kind of traditionalism. Like you said, a more generalized kind of populist nationalism, maybe even with some elements of isolationism, would be a more realistic and coherent ostensibly conservative political position than pretending all superficially "white" Europeans and Americans are going to magically align with one another against muh evil shitskins and kikes.

As much as the alt-right critiques normie cons for dancing to the tune of the Left, the alt-right does the same thing. They've bought the postmodern leftist notion of monolithic "whiteness," and have tried to make a political movement out of it.

They also tend to miss that "American" is an identity. Maybe not a strictly racial one, but a cultural identity nonetheless. This is why Trump has enjoyed a considerable amount of success: by appealing to American nationalism that can include racial minorities while still hammering home points on immigration and economic nationalism. He won in 2016 despite alt-right spergery rather than because of it, as the media attempts to push.

 

[eternal dog mongler]

The 21st century understanding of "whiteness" is not at all what it was understood to be centuries ago. Today, an Anglo, an Italian, an Irishman, and sometimes even a Jew can all be considered "white" in the United States just because they aren't "brown." In the 19th century, There is no way any of the latter three would be considered "white." Catholic immigrants were viewed as a threat to the United States on a political, spiritual, and racial level, which is why the Know-Nothings and eventually the second iteration of the Klan opposed immigration from those countries. Why? Because "wops" and "potato niggers" brought crime and tended to ghettoize. Most of the stereotypes applied to Muslim migrants were applied to Catholic immigrants (and not without cause). No way would Nicky Fuentes be considered a good, white American in the 19th century.

You don't even really have to dig up historical examples. The Romani aren't being invited to anybody's white nationalist shindig any time soon.

Are they Asian? South Asian? Middle Eastern? Who the fuck knows.

 

[Captain Manning]

The moment Spencer lost was when Sargon asked "what is White?"

No. As deplorable as Spencer's ideology is, I'm not going to bow to this "race is a social construct" BS.

Sargon was stupid for asking that question. He should have just challenged the concept of forming a nation-state based predominately on race as opposed to philosophy.

Spencer's ideology is just WH40K Imperium of Man fantasy. "We must unite our people because we must conquer space" is his motto.

No.

Spencer is nationalist, but not globalist/imperialist/expansionist.

Most white nationalists like Spencer stop at the nation level. Their xenophobia manifests itself as isolationism.

Also, the IoM is based on a lie (Read: The Emperor is intellectually dishonest with mankind). Both before and after the Horus Heresy. Spencer actually buys into his own bullshit.

Special thanks to Leutin09, whose WH40k videos are second to none. I don't even have to play the game in order to comment on this.

 

[James Edwin]

No. As deplorable as Spencer's ideology is, I'm not going to bow to this "race is a social construct" BS.

Sargon was stupid for asking that question. He should have just challenged the concept of forming a nation-state based predominately on race as opposed to philosophy.

Sargons biggest mistake was allowing Nazi's to create a moral argument for themselves, which is pretty much what he did. As far as I remember he spent the entire time trying to argue the practicality of it when that should already be pretty obvious.

I stand by 'race is a social construct' but Sargon asking 'What is white' was easily defeated because he was extremely easy to trick away from that argumentation. He used tactics that work against brainless SJW's that can't respond properly, but could never work against white nationalists. Doesn't help that he didn't even argue against the morality of their arguments, probably because he has xenophobic sentiments himself.

Shit, I wouldn't even use 'race as a social construct' as an argument in Sargons boots because it would be pretty easy to defeat in front of Andy's audience. It could probably be dismissed just by calling it autistic and then not even refuting it. I really doubt Spencer hasn't heard it before. Even bringing up race in THAT manner would be a pretty big fuck up because only people far on the left even believe it, who would never view Sargon let alone Bloodsports.

He could have at least tried to argue against the concept of replacement theory with very basic research and argued that the fears of white nationalists are all revisionist; Shaun's series on this topic provides excellent counter-arguments. I don't even know why he got into that argument with Spencer to be honest, he was destined for stomping consider what he's usually 'familiar' with.

 

[Doctor Placebo]

Sargons biggest mistake was allowing Nazi's to create a moral argument for themselves, which is pretty much what he did. As far as I remember he spent the entire time trying to argue the practicality of it when that should already be pretty obvious.

I stand by 'race is a social construct' but Sargon asking 'What is white' was easily defeated because he was extremely easy to trick away from that argumentation. He used tactics that work against brainless SJW's that can't respond properly, but could never work against white nationalists. Doesn't help that he didn't even argue against the morality of their arguments, probably because he has xenophobic sentiments himself.

Shit, I wouldn't even use 'race as a social construct' as an argument in Sargons boots because it would be pretty easy to defeat in front of Andy's audience. It could probably be dismissed just by calling it autistic and then not even refuting it. I really doubt Spencer hasn't heard it before. Even bringing up race in THAT manner would be a pretty big fuck up because only people far on the left even believe it, who would never view Sargon let alone Bloodsports.

He could have at least tried to argue against the concept of replacement theory with very basic research and argued that the fears of white nationalists are all revisionist; Shaun's series on this topic provides excellent counter-arguments. I don't even know why he got into that argument with Spencer to be honest, he was destined for stomping consider what he's usually 'familiar' with.

A less exceptional person could have made "what is white" work. When all the WN's started going on about Laurence Fishburne vs Scandinavians he should have said, "Okay, Laurence Fishburne is obviously not white, but what about Iranians? And if they are white, should they be allowed to come to America and Europe despite being Muslim? What about Romani? What about the swarthy people of southern Italy and Spain? How about primarily white people from south and central America like Nick Fuentes? How do you determine which of these people are white? DNA tests? A color chart?"

That's where you start to fuck them up, because as we've said before, the ethnostate spergs don't agree with each other on these things. This was an issue with older race-based policies too. In the USA they put the draconian one-drop rule into effect because figuring out the status of all the mixed race people was such a pain in the ass. In Australia they had a skin color chart, and mixed race kids with light enough skin got put in special schools to integrate them into white society.

 

[Captain Manning]

For the record, I think RACISM is a social construct, but RACE isn't. Race has objectively measured biological parameters. Like the type that Elizabeth Warren was forced to take a test for. I don't understand why anybody would argue otherwise. Same with gender.

I think the whole "race is a social construct" shit is an attempt to fix by fiat that what is going to take a hell of a lot more work to actually fix. I don't appreciate the intellectual dishonesty and disrespect for how science actually works. We got problems? Okay, dumb everything down for the lowest common denominator, and disregard any fact that would make that difficult.

All Sargon had to do was confront Spencer on the futility of trying to turn the US into a racially homogenous society, while challenging him on his view that such a society would be desirable in the first place (a big part of Spencer's ideology).

He wouldn't do that because, much like the left with their vapid platitudes, he's a lazy ignorant fuck. Sargon is everything an SJW is. All slogans, and no intellect.

 

[eternal dog mongler]

The whole caucasoid/negroid/mongoloid thing is less delineating than you would think tbh

A less exceptional person could have made "what is white" work. When all the WN's started going on about Laurence Fishburne vs Scandinavians he should have said, "Okay, Laurence Fishburne is obviously not white, but what about Iranians? And if they are white, should they be allowed to come to America and Europe despite being Muslim? What about Romani? What about the swarthy people of southern Italy and Spain? How about primarily white people from south and central America like Nick Fuentes? How do you determine which of these people are white? DNA tests? A color chart?"

The Proud boys are fucking re.tarded but at least they were smart enough to be civnats. They pretty much avoided all of this shit.

 

[Captain Manning]

A less exceptional person could have made "what is white" work. When all the WN's started going on about Laurence Fishburne vs Scandinavians he should have said, "Okay, Laurence Fishburne is obviously not white, but what about Iranians? And if they are white, should they be allowed to come to America and Europe despite being Muslim? What about Romani? What about the swarthy people of southern Italy and Spain? How about primarily white people from south and central America like Nick Fuentes? How do you determine which of these people are white? DNA tests? A color chart?"

That's where you start to fuck them up, because as we've said before, the ethnostate spergs don't agree with each other on these things. This was an issue with older race-based policies too. In the USA they put the draconian one-drop rule into effect because figuring out the status of all the mixed race people was such a pain in the ass. In Australia they had a skin color chart, and mixed race kids with light enough skin got put in special schools to integrate them into white society.

It's true there's a lot of opportunity here to trip them up. Slavs are what most people would consider white, but don't tell that to Hitler.

White is an imprecise definition. I think it's more of a grouping of races than one race. Government paperwork and questionares seem to agree with this. The subdivisions could be determined through DNA testing, but why bother? Why do these people have such a hard on for precise racial determinations?

But, like yourself, I don't think Sargon is smart enough to argue like that. I think he was literally hoping the "race is a social construct" angle would carry the day.

 

[James Edwin]

For the record, I think RACISM is a social construct, but RACE isn't. Race has objectively measured biological parameters. Like the type that Elizabeth Warren was forced to take a test for. I don't understand why anybody would argue otherwise. Same with gender.

Late but important to point out, I'm not about the genetic part of it, but now it seems a bit autistic that I didn't point that out before, so that's embarrassing.

Obviously there is a genetic difference between humans of ancestries, but 'race' I call socially constructed because at this point it's exceeded genetics and the meaning of a "race" has changed historically over time. Never really found genetics that important myself.

The genetic ancestors of Gaelic or Anglo tribes are what would be a genetic race. Nigerian descendants are racially different from Egyptions. Same thing goes for Eastern and Western native Americans. However it seems like today, the idea of "Whiteness" itself is a universal race and has become entirely a social construct that a lot of lefties and righties have created. Race has become completely homogeneous and generic and doesn't even mean what it does anymore.

Ancestry doesn't mean shit anymore. In fact a lot of it has become a meaningless bragging point for people like Warren. It's not about actually being related to the natives, it's all about the glamour of saying you are. It's turned it into a social concept.

 

[Pomniman]

For the record, I think RACISM is a social construct, but RACE isn't. Race has objectively measured biological parameters. Like the type that Elizabeth Warren was forced to take a test for. I don't understand why anybody would argue otherwise. Same with gender.

I think the whole "race is a social construct" shit is an attempt to fix by fiat that what is going to take a hell of a lot more work to actually fix. I don't appreciate the intellectual dishonesty and disrespect for how science actually works. We got problems? Okay, dumb everything down for the lowest common denominator, and disregard any fact that would make that difficult.

All Sargon had to do was confront Spencer on the futility of trying to turn the US into a racially homogenous society, while challenging him on his view that such a society would be desirable in the first place (a big part of Spencer's ideology).

He wouldn't do that because, much like the left with their vapid platitudes, he's a lazy ignorant fuck. Sargon is everything an SJW is. All slogans, and no intellect.

There's a biological reality behind race, but there's also a social construct that's factored into how it's discussed in these circles. It's not only one thing or only the other. What we were getting at is that the idea of racial "white" pan-Europeanism is inspired more by the vague postmodern social construct of "whiteness" as a monolithic entity rather than by the reality of how the actual European ethnicities have historically interacted with one another.

 

[Billy "the Bot" Bobson]

No. As deplorable as Spencer's ideology is, I'm not going to bow to this "race is a social construct" BS.

Sargon was stupid for asking that question. He should have just challenged the concept of forming a nation-state based predominately on race as opposed to philosophy.



No.

Spencer is nationalist, but not globalist/imperialist/expansionist.

Most white nationalists like Spencer stop at the nation level. Their xenophobia manifests itself as isolationism.

Also, the IoM is based on a lie (Read: The Emperor is intellectually dishonest with mankind). Both before and after the Horus Heresy. Spencer actually buys into his own bullshit.

Special thanks to Leutin09, whose WH40k videos are second to none. I don't even have to play the game in order to comment on this.

Can you not read or comprehend basic statements? I never said "race is a social construct" I said that Spencers response was so vague and ridiculous that he made himself look like an asshole. I don't care who you are, when you say "spiritual whiteness" unironically, you're retarded. You clearly have no idea what Spencer actually stands for because he is Pan-European and has stated that whites have a destiny with the stars. It's a massive manchild mindset. I don't give a flying fuck about the specific details of 40k ideologies because it is irrelevant to reality. The very basic ideology of the Emperor is essentially the very basic ideology of Spencer, and that is something he deserves to be mocked over.

 

[eternal dog mongler]

Race is also not a social construct. Look up haplogroups.

Some, but you'd be hard-pressed to determine whether someone was Romani or Greek or Italian based on the skeleton.

 

[AltisticRight]

Some, but you'd be hard-pressed to determine whether someone was Romani or Greek or Italian based on the skeleton.

I'd say all three are white.

Force integration of these Muslims the alt-right hates so much is far more realistic than an ethnostate at this point, but then the alt-right is kind of Pro-CPC, or at least their system (likely because of MSM sensationalism). I think my response above went off the tracks a little too much though, oh well.

 

[eternal dog mongler]

I'd say all three are white.

Well, they are. Everyone from about Spain to India are white from a scientific perspective.

I'm unsure why WNs keep getting caught in the Nazi racial science trap but goddamn. Just leave it alone.

 

[Ira the Weatherman]

Race is also not a social construct. Look up haplogroups.

Haplogroups are genetic mutations in sex chromosomes which help determine ancestry of common male or female ancestors. They're good for tracking prehistoric human migrations, but it's on such a scale that it's awful for detecting more noteworthy genetic similarities in individuals (you're going to share less genes with your greatgreatgreatgrandfather than your father, now multiply that gradual diminishing by a factor of hundred, or a thousand), let alone determining the extent of racial. In most countries various Y-DNA and mtDNA lineages exist in various percentages alongside eachother, despite the people being clearly of the same race and closely related; vice versa, a single lineage can have 90+% occurence in scattered areas across the world which are widely different (R1b in Western Europe and West Africa, for example). 'Race realists' try to get around these by insisting that a certain balance of percentages of haplogroups determine a race, or that certain branches of a given haplogroup should be disregarded because they inconveniently include populations that are racially widely different, which isn't how any of this works. It's some bizarre feat of mental gymnastics to excuse the fact that they had a wrong idea of what 'ancestry' means in this context, and had already latched onto haplogroups as a new way to larp as their favourite (pre)historical groups.

tl;dr haplogroups don't say much about genes that determine external physical appearance and the like (they're literally determined by just looking at visually-distinct mutations in the genome after all, not anything else), and in fact many likely predate the emergence of our modern races because they're so fucking old, so they're pretty much irrelevant to any discussion about the existence of races or not.

 

[Doctor Placebo]

1. The lefties who think China wants to genocide Muslims: Muslims escaping Stalin were allowed to settle and practice freely. It would make far more sense if Stalin's slant ally Mao sent them back, didn't happen. I was surprised after learning this myself too, considering the amount of Hans, Mongolians, and Tibetans that monster killed.

Come on man, that's a dumb strawman. Most people who talk about the Uyghur reeducation camps aren't making the assumption that it's a thing that stretches back to Mao. That's like saying that Jews were welcome in Germany under the Kaiser, therefore the Holocaust didn't happen. Shitty logic, to say the least. Obviously political situations and attitudes towards minorities change.

As for haplogroups, yes they're a thing, but they often manifest in ways that don't fit our racial paradigms at all. For instance when this lovely lady got a DNA test and her haplogroup labelled her white. Is she muh white ethnostate material?

I know No Bullshit is an idiot, but that was the only source I remembered this from.

 

[Captain Manning]

Can you not read or comprehend basic statements?

I can. You apparently can't. You don't seem to comprehend how metaphors work.

A comparison between Spencer and the Emperor of Man is inappropriate because the former is xenophobic and nationalistic, and the later is imperialistic (it's in the fucking name: Imperium of Man). To be more blunt, the Emperor of Man seeks to conquer the galaxy and genocide every sentient race that isn't human.

The alt-right has been extremely critical of foreign interventionism and regime change. Spencer, Enoch, Anglin, Cantwell, et cetera... all took a hard line against Trump's intervention in Syria. Considerably less insane people did as well (to include many civic nationalists, I presume), but the point is there is little credible evidence the alt-right is an interventionist or imperialist movement. Racist, stupid, and a host of other things? Sure.

It doesn't matter that the IoM is fictional. There's enough written material about it, surprising consistent on certain points given its fictional nature, to blow giant holes in this line of argument. You shouldn't have brought it up if it wasn't the appropriate comparison.

The only thing you're left with is that the Spencer is like the Emperor because they both have silly ideas and half-baked plans of achieving them (I will also point out that Spencer doesn't have any power worth two shits, whereas the the EoM clearly does).

I hate to be put in the position of "defending" Spencer, as he's an amoral authoritarian chud with delusions of grandeur, but please stop being autistic. Don't be Sargon.

As for Sargon's infamous inquiry... I don't know what else to say here. I opined that Sargon was angling for the "race is a social construct" position. In support of that belief, I pointed out how he couldn't even concede that Laurence Fishburne is black.

Other perfectly reasonable people here (i.e. @Doctor Placebo, @James Edwin) contend that Sargon asked a valid question, and there was an opportunity to score points against Spencer, but that Sargon totally fucked it up.

Whatever. Doesn't matter. I'm not married to either theory as to what Sargon was trying to achieve. All I know is that Sargon isn't as smart as he thinks he is.

 

[Based Papa John]

Some Crimean Tatars Jews have blonde hair blue eyes, they are white to anyone who isn't a spergy Nordicist fagggot that wants to split hairs, whose mum also likely fucked Tyrone and laid an abomination.

So, by that logic, are some of (((THEM))) white?

 

[KimCoppolaAficionado]

So, by that logic, are some of (((THEM))) white?

No, because Jews can't be white. Why can't they be white? Because they're Jews.

 

[Pomniman]

Does anyone have that recent clip where he's talking about a cheeseburger in a really gay sounding way? I'm not sure where it's from originally.