Careercow Robert Chipman / Bob / Moviebob / "Movieblob" - Middle-Aged Consoomer, CWC with a Thesaurus, Ardent Male Feminist and Superior Futurist, the Twice-Fired, the Mario-Worshipper, publicly dismantled by Hot Dog Girl, now a diabetic

[iRON-mAn]

Lucy is 19, but unmarried, so by the standards of the era and her class, she's still at least half-child. I think her targeting children isn't sexual, but rather that's she's trying to get a children of her own now that's she's unable to become a respectable mother because she's both dead and essentially a rape victim. Her going after children also reinforces her own childlike status, since even after she's been corrupted, she's unable to go after adult men.

Unmarried, but betrothed to Arthur. It was fairly typical for women at the time to marry at 19/20, so I'd be rather skeptical of any reading that suggested Stoker viewed Lucy as a child within the novel.

I agree her targeting children isn't sexual, but I disagree that it reinforces her own childishness. She's inferior to Dracula and preying on the weaker targets but that doesn't make her a child herself. Again, if vampires are intended to be a corrupting influence, then it's simply a reflection of her corrupted femininity, where rather than being nurturing and mothering, she's actively hurting and harming children. In short, sexual desire in a woman kills her womanhood.

That's why I'm fairly dubious about it even being a rape analogy. When contrasted with Lucy, Mina survives and goes on to be married and have a child, whereas right from the beginning Lucy says "Why can’t they let a girl marry three men, or as many as want her, and save all this trouble?" If it's about sexual desire, it makes sense that Lucy basically gives into her desires, where as for Mina they kill her desire (Dracula) and she moves on to be the picture of the perfect Victorian woman.

Of the four stories he mentioned, only Little Red Riding Hood makes any kind of sense as a rape / molestation warning, and even that is more widely read as an admonition of girls to be watchful of their sexuality as it develops. Frankly, "avoid fat neckbeards who defend Cuties" is a more effective warning against possible molestors.

The woodcutter is probably a obsolete MAGA chud anyway.

 

[Fictional Character]

There's no indication how Lucy's transformation really got started. It might have been forced, it might have been a full on seduction the way Coppola depicts it. Given how Harker was nearly turned in Transylvania and the fact that Lucy was completely unsuspecting where Mina knew the Count was on the loose, I always felt the latter interpretation was closer to the truth. Half-child or not, Lucy was being actively courted by several men, so it always felt like that one last fling that went terribly awry.

You're right here. In Lucy's case, the rape/seduction distinction is not at all important, since both would still be a form of sex outside of marriage that takes away woman's worth. Dracula's treatment of Lucy makes more sense as "seducing then abandoning a woman" than rape anyway. It also fits with the 'scary foreigners taking away our women' theme.

Unmarried, but betrothed to Arthur. It was fairly typical for women at the time to marry at 19/20, so I'd be rather skeptical of any reading that suggested Stoker viewed Lucy as a child within the novel.

I agree her targeting children isn't sexual, but I disagree that it reinforces her own childishness. She's inferior to Dracula and preying on the weaker targets but that doesn't make her a child herself. Again, if vampires are intended to be a corrupting influence, then it's simply a reflection of her corrupted femininity, where rather than being nurturing and mothering, she's actively hurting and harming children. In short, sexual desire in a woman kills her womanhood.

That's why I'm fairly dubious about it even being a rape analogy. When contrasted with Lucy, Mina survives and goes on to be married and have a child, whereas right from the beginning Lucy says "Why can’t they let a girl marry three men, or as many as want her, and save all this trouble?" If it's about sexual desire, it makes sense that Lucy basically gives into her desires, where as for Mina they kill her desire (Dracula) and she moves on to be the picture of the perfect Victorian woman.

A woman of Lucy's class wouldn't be considered a full adult until she married. Stoker treated Lucy as an adolescent, but while the idea of adolescence as a transitory period between childhood and adulthood was around in 1897, the word itself wasn't or at least wasn't in general usage. She was betrothed and was capable of becoming a woman and mother, but lost that capacity when she was corrupted by Dracula. The line you quote from Lucy seems more like her wanting to have everything she likes instead of accepting society's rules. It's a sign of immaturity rather than rampant sexual desire.

Mola Ram is absolutely right about there being no rape in Lucy's case. Lucy gave in to her seducer and so there is not redemption for her. Mina, however, was an unwilling participant in what Dracula did to her. That's why it's possible for her to be redeemed once Dracula is dead for good.

 

[RockVolnutt]

Imagine calling yourself a 'pop-culture critic' and being so wrong about Batman of all things. The guy who was originally inspired by pulp fiction like The Shadow and Zorro was from inception 'silly and goofy'? Okay Bob. Sure he was pretty goofy in the Silver Age but so was everyone else. Literally all he has to do is google the best selling Batman comics and guess what? Its not shlocky 70's Batman, its Year One, Arkham Asylum: ASHOSE and Scott 'so edgy it cuts' Snyder's Death of the family.
I'm honestly not even sure where this fixation with goofy Batman even comes from since he wouldn't have been born when that that stuff was selling.

It's a mix of him trying to be contrarian with claiming Adam West is the center of everything since he currently hates the Nolan movies, which aren't the most accurate adaptations anyways, and not understanding adaptations didn't overshadow the comics at the time. Not to sell Adam West Batman short but it was mimicking late 40s-50s Batman which was way behind the times since Batman was already returning to it's darker roots. During 1966, we already had Marvel for half a decade which was quickly gaining ground and DC changing to compete. The West show actually was criticized for this back then though it's drowned out by more modern appreciation of the camp.

 

[Mola Ram]

It's a mix of him trying to be contrarian with claiming Adam West is the center of everything since he currently hates the Nolan movies, which aren't the most accurate adaptations anyways, and not understanding adaptations didn't overshadow the comics at the time. Not to sell Adam West Batman short but it was mimicking late 40s-50s Batman which was way behind the times since Batman was already returning to it's darker roots. During 1966, we already had Marvel for half a decade which was quickly gaining ground and DC changing to compete. The West show actually was criticized for this back then though it's drowned out by more modern appreciation of the camp.

I wonder if it's a simpler explanation than that. Bob is too young to remember the Adam West Batman in its first broadcast, but he's just about the perfect age to have been inundated with it in syndication. Adam West and various incarnations of the Superfriends might have been his first introduction to Batman, and as we all know the totems of Bob's childhood are always the best version of anything.

 

[Someone in a Tree]

So is the no MCU movies thing a more significant deal/historic event/a society changer than Gamergate ever was or less?

We need Bob to clarify.

Probably should put 9/11 and the Console Wars in there for us to truly measure the impact.

 

[Jack Awful]

What bothers me is that he doesn't say "no Marvel movies in 2020 sucks for me" or "no Marvel movies in 2020 sucks for Marvel fans", he says "no Marvel movies in 2020 sucks for everyone".

Pretentious, and par for the course.

 

[RockVolnutt]

I wonder if it's a simpler explanation than that. Bob is too young to remember the Adam West Batman in its first broadcast, but he's just about the perfect age to have been inundated with it in syndication. Adam West and various incarnations of the Superfriends might have been his first introduction to Batman, and as we all know the totems of Bob's childhood are always the best version of anything.

Still, he's said before in an "I totally read things and not wiki them" that he owns stories from that general era so he should be aware that while Adam West was on air, you had stories like Alfred being allegedly crushed to death and Robin getting ready to leave for college. It could be "muh childhood" but he should know better either way.

 

[Mola Ram]

he should know better

A statement that covers a plethora of MovieBob's sins.

 

[Ralph Barnhardt]

So sometime in the future Im thinking of doing a moviebob playthrough of new vegas. In this theoretical playthrough I'd set his intelligence to 10 because hes big brained but also his endurance Charisma and agility would be set to 1. Id give him a perception of 3 or for but he'd also get the four eyes trait. In terms of actions I'd have him side with mr house and kill all the ghouls feral or otherwise, Slaughter everyoneone in Caesars Legion (Out of pragmatism since Bob wouldnt survive one day in their world. ANd also slaughter the brotherhood for being tech hoarders for holding back the superior future. I have yet to figure out what Bob's stance on super mutants would be since on the one hand theyre "inferior troglogytes" but on the other hand their creation was due to eugenics. also I'll reduce his movement speed using console commands. What other traits, skills, perks, and special attributes should I pick

@Judge Dredd already did this.

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/fallout-new-vegas-moviebob-edition.67025/

Learn from his mistakes and have fun.

 

[Captain Marvelous]

So is the no MCU movies thing a more significant deal/historic event/a society changer than Gamergate ever was or less?

We need Bob to clarify.

Probably should put 9/11 and the Console Wars in there for us to truly measure the impact.

Do you think Bob sees the final battle of Avengers: Endgame as impactful at the Berlin Wall coming down?

 

[Ralph Barnhardt]

Check how bob speaks. Every video it seems like Blob is FAKING a boston accent, or at least "amplifying it" . Check his videos where he's actually speaking and on camera, horrifying as that is to look at. You'll notice his speech patterns change immensely when he realizes he's not speaking with a thick boston accent any more. The "Normal" bob voice sounds like something with a northern tinge but not necessarily "bostonian". Why would he fake an accent?

I believe it's the other way around. His accent is so thick he needs to actively fight to keep it coming to the surface. @Jaracainofthewind posted this clip of Yahtzee talking about Bob.

https://youtu.be/PnGXYUaRAP8?t=1457

I'm hoping this works, it's the first time I've ever done. Here's Yahtzee dragging on Bob, albeit pretty milquetoast. But so much for being the very best of pals eh bobbo

 

[A Big Bumbling Black Man]

I believe it's the other way around. His accent is so thick he needs to actively fight to keep it coming to the surface. @Jaracainofthewind posted this clip of Yahtzee talking about Bob.

On the contrary, I interpreted that clip as Yahtzee saying that Bob "turns on" his accent when he's speaking publicly, and how cartoonish it sounds compared to how he normally speaks.

 

[An Sionnach Seang]

The only way Bob will ever get laid is if he went the CWC route and paid a hooker

and even then, it'd be the kind of hooker who forces him to empty his bank account at gunpoint and leaves him for dead

 

[Flexo]

The line you quote from Lucy seems more like her wanting to have everything she likes instead of accepting society's rules. It's a sign of immaturity rather than rampant sexual desire.

*Looks at modern feminism.*

Hmmm... Now I'm not saying Stoker was onto something but........

 

[The Littlest Shitlord]

and even then, it'd be the kind of hooker who forces him to empty his bank account at gunpoint and leaves him for dead

Let's not get carried away here. Many of the men who have sex with prostitutes do so because they are some combination of ugly, fat, dumb, socially incompetent, or just fundamentally don't give a shit about other people and thus can't sustain a relationship. A non-trivial percentage of Johns are all of these things, just like Bob. Bob is unusual only in that he won't shut up about his manchild hobbies and repulsive political and (im)moral views on Twitter. And most prostitutes will not check a client's tweets before fucking them. To be turned down by a prostitute you have to either have vomitously foul hygiene or be completely unable to refrain from acting like a complete lunatic for five minutes. Bob's videos are longer than five minutes and they only make him look and sound retarded, not insane; ergo he meets the second test. And even Bob is probably smart enough to realize that he'll have a harder time finding a hooker (or at least, pay more for one) if he's filthy.

 

[An Sionnach Seang]

Let's not get carried away here. Many of the men who have sex with prostitutes do so because they are some combination of ugly, fat, dumb, socially incompetent, or just fundamentally don't give a shit about other people and thus can't sustain a relationship. A non-trivial percentage of Johns are all of these things, just like Bob. Bob is unusual only in that he won't shut up about his manchild hobbies and repulsive political and (im)moral views on Twitter. And most prostitutes will not check a client's tweets before fucking them. To be turned down by a prostitute you have to either have vomitously foul hygiene or be completely unable to refrain from acting like a complete lunatic for five minutes. Bob's videos are longer than five minutes and they only make him look and sound retarded, not insane; ergo he meets the second test. And even Bob is probably smart enough to realize that he'll have a harder time finding a hooker (or at least, pay more for one) if he's filthy.

I was alluding more to the fact there are plenty of prositutes who are involved with organised crime, mainly extortion and sometimes organ harvesting, because johns are easy marks

 

[Flexo]

To be turned down by a prostitute you have to either have vomitously foul hygiene or be completely unable to refrain from acting like a complete lunatic for five minutes. Bob's videos are longer than five minutes and they only make him look and sound retarded, not insane; ergo he meets the second test. And even Bob is probably smart enough to realize that he'll have a harder time finding a hooker (or at least, pay more for one) if he's filthy.

In the words of Qui-gon Jinn:

"I'll take that bet."

(Especially given how edited Bob's videos are, and his tweet rate, I really think 5 minutes is optimistic.)

 

[BScCollateral]

I think a lot of traditional stories could be considered symbolic of rape. "Marry me or I'll foreclose on your father" is pretty close, and Thumbelina was kidnapped by a frog's mother to marry her son, which I am pretty sure would get the frog's mom ten years to life. Vampires can be pretty obviously sexual. Going to Universal classic films, Dracula's Daughter was pretty darned suggestive. The Mummy was about a love enduring countless generations. So I think it's fair to give him that.

But Bluebeard isn't a rape story. It's a story about betrayal of trust and duty. You expect your husband to have your own benefit at heart. It's more like The Shining than Dracula.

 

[Fictional Character]

I was alluding more to the fact there are plenty of prositutes who are involved with organised crime, mainly extortion and sometimes organ harvesting, because johns are easy marks

Bob is mostly safe from organ harvesting because his organs are hidden under so much fat they're just not worth the effort of digging them out even if you find someone desperate enough to want Bob's organs or swindle someone into thinking Bob's organs are healthy and not destroyed by fat and Bob's cooking.

 

[Red Hood]

You're right here. In Lucy's case, the rape/seduction distinction is not at all important, since both would still be a form of sex outside of marriage that takes away woman's worth. Dracula's treatment of Lucy makes more sense as "seducing then abandoning a woman" than rape anyway. It also fits with the 'scary foreigners taking away our women' theme.



A woman of Lucy's class wouldn't be considered a full adult until she married. Stoker treated Lucy as an adolescent, but while the idea of adolescence as a transitory period between childhood and adulthood was around in 1897, the word itself wasn't or at least wasn't in general usage. She was betrothed and was capable of becoming a woman and mother, but lost that capacity when she was corrupted by Dracula. The line you quote from Lucy seems more like her wanting to have everything she likes instead of accepting society's rules. It's a sign of immaturity rather than rampant sexual desire.

Mola Ram is absolutely right about there being no rape in Lucy's case. Lucy gave in to her seducer and so there is not redemption for her. Mina, however, was an unwilling participant in what Dracula did to her. That's why it's possible for her to be redeemed once Dracula is dead for good.

Another thing to consider is that Lucy is rather sheltered and could be considered an innocent in the "doesn't know better" sense in regards to Dracula, whereas Mina is a reasonably educated "New Woman" that's able to turn a skeptical lens to people.

It's also interesting that Lucy is also explicitly upper class while Mina (schoolteacher) and Jonathan (solicitor) are part of the British middle class- educated enough to not have to work with their hands. Upper class women at the time likely wouldn't have been prepared to deal with something malevolent.

Ultimately a lot of classic horror and fairy tales can be boiled down to the message "there are people that would exploit you if given the chance, be aware".